And probably some things that might offend you, but don’t listen to this. Can’t wait till you listen. Yeah, don’t, if you’re 18 up, don’t do it. If you’re 18 up, yeah, okay. Hi everybody, welcome back to the conspiracy podcast, part two of Orthal James Simpson, OJ. So the first episode we talked about his history, his football legend, his, uh, coming out of the ghetto, rise to fame. Yeah. And then leading up to the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole. Yes. So we left you off with he got into a Bronco. Yeah, he got into the Bronco and he disappeared into the night. Not the night, but the morning, whatever, he disappeared into traffic.

That’s right, picture like the Bronco, that scene, you know, and on the freeway. Remember the helic, the helicopters? Like, do you remember that? I do. You do? Yeah. How old were you when, 94, this is, mid, 14, 14, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was 12. Yeah, Sean was one. I wasn’t, I was like six. Yeah, I remember our school stopped, yeah, what we were doing and like pull the TV in and all that stuff. You just watched the car drive as they followed it. I think I just watched it at night or something. I, I don’t remember exactly. It was long, it was not, it was hours.

So it’s still going on, I guess, right? It was hours and then didn’t stop. He just, just like ran out of gas or something? Didn’t they, didn’t deploy spike strips? They didn’t do anything. There’s a note in here where, where one of the news helicopters ran out of gas because it took so long. It took so long, they like, [bleep], we got to turn back. Yeah, okay. He was about to be arrested for murder. He was supposed to turn himself in. He didn’t. He was at Kardashian’s home, Robert Kardash home, and he slipped out the back with, remember, AC? Yes. And AC and him, child hood friend?

Yes, exactly. Yeah, he’s like, and of course, you know, he only hits up AC in this type of situation. Hey, come to my house and PR. He’s like, I need, I need you to drive, AC, you might, ride or die, or what? I, I haven’t talked to you in 15 years. What are you talking? You ride, you ride or you die. So, per some reports, when OJ was at the house and getting ready to be arrested or go turn himself in, he was losing his mind. He was, yeah, losing his mind, he’s about to go in, and, yeah, coming down on the, the meth off.

So he actually wrote a letter, and this letter was, a lot of people thought it was his suicide note. Oh, he’s, it’s, notth, it, done. Yeah. And so he and Kardashian read it at a press conference at 5:00 that day, uh, and he says, first, everyone understand I had nothing to do with Nicole’s murder. He described the fights with brown and their decision not to reconcile, and asked the media, as His Last Wish, not to bother his children. He wrote to his then girlfriend Paula, remember the model, yeah, I’m sorry we’re not going to have our chance. As I leave, you’ll be in my thoughts, he said.

I can’t go on, he apologized, suici, he apologized to the Goldman family. O, at the end of it he said, don’t feel sorry for me, I’ve had a great life, great friends, please think of the real OJ and not this lost person. See, it’s almost, seems like it’s like an admittance, like admitting half suicide, half confession. Here’s the super part that got me really annoyed: he signed it OJ Simpson, and in the O he did a smiley face. What the [bleep]? Why, what does that mean? I don’t get it. Why did he do that? It’s, it pretty much is, that’s what the, that’s what the smiley face is, like [bleep], it’s like [bleep] you.

Yeah, like [bleep] you. All right, I just don’t understand why he would put a smiley face at the end of that. It just, it drove me crazy. It’s almost like a weird, I think, I think it’s telling, it’s telling, it’s, oh, I’m so sorry, oh, After I’m Gone, the [bleep]. Yeah, so everybody thought it was a suicide note, right, so much so that Kardashian went and told the kids and the mom, he’s going to kill himself, that’s what’s happening. And um, when the lawyer read it, was he still, was the chase still going on? Just started, just disappeared, you know what I mean. Yeah, so news helicopter searched the LA highway system for the white Bronco at 5:51, so 51 minutes later.

Apparently O.J called 911 and the call was traced to Santa Ana freeway at around 6:20. A motorist notified the California Highway Patrol, seeing somebody on the I5. Imagine being that guy. I [bleep] found the Bron. Uh, at 6:45 Ruth Dixon, uh, was a police officer, saw the Bronco heading on the 405. She caught up to it. AC yelled out that Simpson was in the back seat, pointing a gun to his own head, and that he was going to kill himself. The officer backed off but followed the vehicle at 35 mil an hour. I know, they’re going so slow. Eventually 20 police cars came and was following him at 35 mph on the freeway.

Oh my God. In the freeway, talking about, yeah, that’s what you were talking about, where it was just super, it wasn’t even really a chase, it was like a slow, like it was a little Trot, little Trot, police Trot. So this created a frenzy in America. This created a insane, AC news report, nine helicopters showed up, so many, it, it was everywhere, everywhere. And then all of a sudden people started going, okay, he’s going up to 405. So then thousands of people were going and meeting and hanging out on the bridges, making signs and going, go OJ go, and like just all sorts of craziness.

I just never understood people who do that type of thing. You’re, are you, you have nothing else to do? They, they want 5 Seconds of fame. Maybe I come out in a chopper, news camera. Yeah, if I’m in a chopper, okay, I’ll do that. But yeah, they sit on the side of the Frid for one second, be like, yeah, go, you go. All right, let’s go home, he passed us. Idiot, people are dumb, insane. So what’s crazy too is going on at the same time was the NBA Finals. Oh yeah. And it was the Knicks against the Rockets. Yeah, the Nicks against the Rockets. It was Patrick ying and um, I forget who else in the Rockets, whoever else was on the Rockets, also playing his last round of his entire career was Arnold Palmer.

So this was a hot Sports, was on, right? Oh yeah, they changed it. We, we cut to this, okay. So the NBA Finals, the NBA finals were on, and they didn’t know what to do, so they put a box, they put, they changed like picture and picture. Yeah, so they changed it, to the main screen was OJ, the finals, and the finals was in the little square at the bottom. I’d be so pissed. It was insane. Wow. Uh, reports came in that 95 million people watched the chase. It’s like ratings. See, that’s why, against conspiracies, all set up, we’re going to need you to do a Chase, yes, and it’s going to need to last for 7 hours, we need ratings, bring in the chase.

Just so you know, the Super Bowl that year was 90 million. Oh my God, isn’t that crazy? It’s crazy. That’s like a Mentos commercial comes on, like, Mentos freshness. What if, what if a Herz commercial, with, with OJ, and outs commercial, probably did? I would be surpris, like, I got to run, I’m, I’m going to need to capitalize on this right now, like, play now. So he, it became like a, like a festival, like a circus, like it was just thousands of people everywhere. It’s insane, the best of my life. People were yelling, go OJ go, and, you know, see, they [bleep] these people, they didn’t know what was going on.

They’re like, I know, the crazy part, you know, it would be kind of like, I don’t know, give an examp, maybe. I don’t want to say Brady, but maybe, no, no, not quite Brady, it’ be, it’ be, m, but who, who else is that famous? A lot of people. Yeah, I mean, you know, Brady’s up there. Superstar football player, retired. I just can’t see Brady, like, no. I know, but that’s what everybody thought, kelle, everybody thought at the time, that’s true. They’re like, no, can’t, no, he didn’t, that’s true, this is not happening right now. It actually, I think that was part of the Persona that he built when he got out of the hood.

He was trustworthy, to beat my wife at night and [bleep], stand up guy there. Oh my God. So Simpson reportedly demanded that he be allowed to speak to his mom before he surrendered. Okay. So eventually they made their way back to the house, you know, and then they parked in the driveway of the house, and they sat there for 45 minutes just sitting in the driveway. Yeah, when did he, did he call his mom? He said he was going to go inside, and they were like, n, that’s not, that’s not going to [bleep] flyo. There were 27 SWAT members there, just chilling, waiting. He walked out of the car at 8:50 p.m.

with a family photo, went inside for about an hour. He did, they let him inside, let him inside. He went inside for an hour, and a cop said that he spoke to his mom, and he asked for a glass of orange juice as a joke. He’s making [bleep] jokes. Yeah. And when he walked in, he said, I’m sorry, to all the cops, and he said, I didn’t mean for you to, I didn’t want you to get in, anybody to get hurt, hurt, this was all for me, my, okay, anyone to get hurt, who the [bleep] got hurt besides his? Murder, meaning, I don’t know, he’s just trying to apologize, I don’t know.

My thing is how would they let, they let him in, his, they let him do anything he wants to, honestly, if you Were being chased, they would have [bleep] shot me through the [bleep]. They, to snipe me off one of the bridges, instantly just put me down. First off, they would take your tires out, and they would put their car in front of yours, know, and then shoot you, and they shoot me to death, and then they, oh, the gun that he was pointing his own head, they was pointing at me. That’s why I had to kill him. It’s so crazy. Yeah, yeah, but if we’re chasing, Sean, we’re not going to be on national TV with 90 million people watching.

I don’t know, you could, maybe 40 million, maybe, maybe I could pull 40. No, but that’s part of it, they’re not going to, you know, they’re not going to do anything while everybody’s watching. So, like, they want to diffuse the situation. That’s what I kept noticing, is that a lot of the cops were, I’m not going to shoot OJ Simpson, live TV. I, I think that probably contributed to probably a lot of the fuckups. They were, they didn’t know what to do. They’ never been in a situation where there was someone so high profile, there’s so many cameras, everyone’s afraid to do it. You’re afraid to make a mistake, so mistakes just happen because you’re too afraid to make a mistake.

Yeah, right, right. Well, in the Bronco, this is what they found, the, the chase Bronco: yeah, $8,000 in cash, just, just cuz, Okay, a change of clothing, a loaded 357 Magnum, his passport, family photos, and a fake goatee and a fake mustache, cuz that’s really gonna hide, but his passport says orange. He wasn’t going to kill himself with a fake mustache on. I don’t want my, the juice was running, it’s running, he wasn’t trying to kill himself, come on, the juice was running, juice was running, man, let’s be honest, the juice was running. Okay, so he was then arrested, finally, finally, finally arrested and booked.

Also AC was booked on suspicion of harboring a fugitive. I mean it wasn’t really suspicion, it was, you were not that suspicious. Before we jump into the trial now, cuz he arrested, Etc, right, I wanted to touch on something that I thought was important, which is 3 years earlier there was a guy, and his name is Rodney King. Oh yeah, I remember that. So three years earlier, in La, yeah, at 1: in the morning, Rodney King stopped his car after leading the police on a kind of semi quasi Chase. Chase for about eight miles, it wasn’t really a chase, it wasn’t like an OJ, but it was.

Yeah, I mean, 8 miles is still a, that’s [bleep] like when you hear the, you’re not going, I’m going 80t, I’m trying to find a place to pull over, you’re not gonna go, I’m, I’m gonna go to eight miles, I’m gonna go to St Pete real quick. Yeah, yeah. So he gets pulled over, his name is Rodney King, right, and he was a paroi of for being charged for robbery, mhm, okay. He was drunk, probably. No, you, yeah, like he was a drunk, that was why he was pulled over, for drunk driving, right? Okay. He refused to pull over, the LAPD Cruisers and police helicopter joined the pursuit, and he was finally stopped.

Several police cars descended on his car, okay. A group of LAPD officers led by Sergeant [bleep] ordered King and his other two occupants, it’s the irony, it’s like, so it’s out of control, so they said get out of the car. King himself was slow to respond. He got on his hand, hands and knees, rather than lying flat, you know how they say get, lie flat, he got on his hands and knees. Officers Powell, wind, salano, they tried to force him down, but he resisted. So he was in that mode, I’m not getting on the floor, and he’s just bent, but he’s kind of on the floor, you know what I mean, he’s already like on the floor.

Yeah, and you’re, all right, there’s five white cops right above me, I’m going to, you should get on the floor anyways. Y. So they tased him, okay, with an electric stun gun, 50,000 volts, right, they tase him down, he gets down, okay. At this moment, a civilian named George holiday started filming from his balcony. D, I’ve seen the film. Seen it? Yeah. Oh yeah, dude, it’s disturbing. In the first few seconds of what was an 89 second famous video, king is seen Rising after the taze shots and running in the direction of one of the officers. The officers alleged that King was charging him, but King himself later claimed he was told that, we were going to kill you, and, word, there you go.

Well, I could say it, but he tried to flee. All the arresting officers were white, all of them but one is with the helicopter above, you couldn’t hear anything on the video. Yeah, so he just started getting beat. Dude, they beat the [bleep] [bleep] out of him, dude, they just kept beating him, batons, with the, dude, they were bon in his ass, hitting him on the side of the head, knocking him to the ground, all in video. I mean, the only thing I’ve seen that’s on par, like, with that, is, I don’t know if you saw the videos on that, what happened in Baltimore, those cops gred, all those cops were black, the neck, died.

Yeah, he died. So it was TK Force, I think it was in Baltimore or something like that, right? I think so. They were like holding him, he’s standing up with th on his back, and then dude just comes up, Haymakers him, and then, and they, dude, they [bleep], and they died. Yeah, it’s [bleep] up. I mean, granted, it’s different, like, all those cops are black and there’s a black guy, but dude, it was so, it was so [bleep] brutal, heavy brutality, it was super brutal, definitely. And I don’t know if you’re going to get into, but you know, very racist, and whereas the other one’s just police brutality.

Yeah, that was just in general, and then this one was, this is 12 white dudes, yeah, a black guy, so anyway. So yeah, I mean, there’s a lot here, so I mean, I see the relevance, repeated blows, he was hit, he was hit so many times, he, he was hit 56 times. That’s some, God damn. How did, I mean, you know, so that, yeah, that’s obviously way past resistant. He says, I, there’s, the resistance is over. Yeah, an ambulance was called and King was taken to the hospital, he suffered fracture leg, facial fractures, bruises, contusions. They had no idea that it was being filmed, so the cops downplayed it, yeah, saying it was a minor.

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You can share the show with friends and family. Okay, thanks a bunch everybody, now back to the show. Nature, just a few scates, a couple, I, I whipped up T, I was like, don’t make me do it, like, little tap tap. He was good, it was a normal, uh, normal pullover, no traffic, traffic sub, a little infraction, little citation, little citation. I mean, he resisted a little bit, but you know, I told him, don’t do that, listen, I’m trying to get home, I know you trying to home so bad. So George holiday, he sold his video of the beating to a TV station for like 60 bucks, and then, and then it, TMZ, and then, and then they sold it to CNN, and CNN broadcast it, and that’s when things got out of control.

Oh yeah, went real. He was released without charges, Rodney King, right. So then the officers, when the video came out, they were indicted. Oh yeah, right, so they were indicted, and then they went to court, Etc. All four of the officers, the main ones, were charged with assault with a deadly weapon and excessive use of force. And what happened? Yes, exactly, yes, [bleep] enrages me. Like, so on April 29th, 1992, the 12p person jury issued its verdict, not guilty on all accounts. Yeah, like just look at the video, bro. I mean, come on, anybody can see that video, that bad, [bleep] come up with the same answer, they are guilty.

I mean, like, yeah, they did not have to do that, charge like nothing? What do you get, like, like, like a bad conduct at work, low performance? You, you, like that was an assault, you think that was not? No, not, that’s not assault. Okay, so, Sergeant [bleep], your performance this quarter was less than par, no, nothing? They’re like, no, exemplary, Exemplar. So those acquittals that started the LA RS, that’s when it all started. Yeah, yeah, so arson, looting, Burning Down the city, man, for days, 60 people were killed, yeah, over three days. Wow. So I never understood which one was worse, that, that Riot, or riots, that Riot, La Riot’s way worse.

I don’t know, dude, half of Wisconsin got burnt to the ground. What, no, are you kidding me? 60 people died, how many people died during these? Yeah, okay, you want to go, you want, you want to put some money on it? Y. Okay, so you think that the 2020 riots was less death? Yeah, yeah, okay, so, so let me just, let me just run you through it real quick, right. So in 3 days of violence, more than 60 people were killed, 2,000 injuries, a billion dollars in property damage in 1992, a billion dollars, which is like 28 billion now plus inflation, 14 trillion dollar worth of damage.

On May 1st, George H dub, he had to call in the military to quell the, you know, the, the UN, the Unrest, so it was pretty gnarly. Still, still, I think it was the quote unquote riots in 2020, it’s like all that kind of stuff was, no, Nation, dude, Nationwide is madness. That’s what I’m saying, Nationwide, Nationwide, different, all the cities combine them into a pool. No, dude, there’s, then add it all together, there’s hundreds of billions of dollars, a dam, like there’s buildings, if you look, there’s actually, I saw this guy do this thing, he pretty much took, like, Google Earth images of a lot of these places in these major cities, and then the, the day thing now, 3 years later, and those businesses are, are done.

Yeah, and the businesses are toast. It just ruined Minneapolis, [bleep] [bleep] Wisconsin, I forget which, which city it was, in Wisconsin, dude, [bleep], and nobody wants to do business there. So it ruined, it actually ruined the economy of a lot of these cities, like, and they’ll never recover. That’s true, that’s why I think it’s worse, cuz like La recovered, and La, there’s too many people for it not to recover, so it has to. Portland was another huge one. Oh yeah, Portland. Know, well, I think, I think, maybe, I guess the main point is that it was in a condensed area, so it looked like a war, you know what I mean, it was all of it condens into.

I would not want to be, I am not dark enough to be walking on the street in that [bleep]. They, they totally just think I was like a tan meican, they like [bleep], get it. So anyway, so I bring that story up because La was kind of at a boiling point, and you know, this happened. Char, yeah, this is one of their, black, this is a black hero, who, yeah, OJ, o, oh, okay, see what I mean, and I thought you were talking about like Rodney King. I’m like, pretty sure no one knew who he was. No, and I just thought it was, I thought it was strange, because you know, at the beginning of the trial, there were so many people who were saying that he’s being abused by the cops, he’s got that Royal Treatment, and, and, yeah, and that’s what confused me, because there’s so much evidence that he was actually treated better than any other criminal ever.

Yeah, exactly, so it just is strange, and a strange element, I think, I think it just, any, the fact that they were, it was just automatically assumed that he was. Yeah, and I think it probably had a lot to do with, especially at that time with all this, you know, I guarantee that had a sway with the jurors, that’s in your mind, that’s in the back of your head. I, hey, I don’t, I don’t agree with [bleep] this race, [bleep], he seems like a nice guy to me, I’m not trying to say, he, you know, I’m not going to be the one to like this black dude’s murder.

So anyway, so we, we’ll dive into more, especially when he brings on Cochran, you know, Johnny, um, and he was, he was the lawyer, he was famous for going against police brutality towards, towards black and minorities, you know what I mean, and so he, he came very, very. Yeah, so okay, so July 8th, 1994, yeah, there’s a preliminary hearing, and it ends with the judge Kathleen Kennedy ruling that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute OJ, and he must stand trial for first-degree murder. Okay, July 22nd, OJ stands in front of the judge and says, absolutely, 100% not guilty, smiley face. Yes, [bleep] dick, uh, why, why, why did you do it.

So at that time, the judge is assigned to the case, judge lanceo. You remember judge lanceo? I remember the name. Yeah, by September, the da files to sequester the jury. So if you don’t know what sequestering a jury is, is, it means they are removed from society, they have no contact with the outside world. That’s right, so, so they don’t get like swayed by media, it was such a mediad driven trial that they were, okay, the only way to keep this as Fair as we can is to sequester the jury. So they basically live in hotel, right, everybody stays together, everybody goes to trial, then they talk about it, they’re not allowed to talk to their peeps about it, or at least they can call home, talk to their, but can’t talk about the, they’re not allowed to talk about the case.

Yeah, exactly, imagine, like, you know, the frenzy with the Johnny Depp trial, like that, even I watch, even I watch that [bleep], dud, but imagine that on crack. I know, and a murder, racism, like the entire planet’s, I got to see, I know. Yes, that’s right, okay. Yes, so November 3rd the jury panel was selected, and it, it was selected, eight black people, one white person, one Hispanic, and two mixed. Do that? I thought it was supposed to be Even Stevens. Well, the, the trial was held in Downtown LA, so the pool, there is a stev, no, it’s just whoever, they, it’s a selection too.

So the county that, is that you’re in, if you’re 50%, the odds are you’re going to get more black people, the odds are, sure. So the county is heavily, there’s no law or stipulation that says it has to be a certain amount or whatever. I, I just expect, I just, thinking, I was thinking like racially charged, like maybe they, yeah, the be a lot of bias, I don’t know. So interesting is they do, so they do a process where they, the prosecution can select and cancel, yeah, they, they can veto jur, yeah, and so they go, okay, I have the choice between Jorge and Shawn, okay, I have a, a, a, a black man from Ohio or a Mexican from Texas in Mexico, okay, the cas is against a black man, okay, I’m like, you know what I mean, and then you can decide, and they go, okay, well I can only, or Eric the white guy, yeah, so if you have one veto, who do you get rid of out of us?

Yeah, 100% veto, probably me. Yeah, right, yeah, for sure. So then you have to deal with whatever. But was interesting is the prosecution was thinking that black men were actually a deterrent. What do you mean? Well, because they thought that OJ was not, oh, because representing them anymore, oh, because he was like, oh, I’m out, [bleep] you guys, I’m wood, I’m, oh, Rich, look at my white woman, [bleep], they got rid of a lot of, of black jurors, men, black men jurors, so a majority of these are women, black women, and you would think the women might be more sympathetic to, I know, think so.

Anyways, this just vicious murder of a woman. Yeah, so anyways, it just, it it is what it is, whether whoever was right or wrong, I don’t know. You know what is, I totally think that it’s a strategy, I think it, I think, I think it honestly shouldn’t matter. If, I was only brought it up just because, at that time, with what was going on with the Rodney King thing, I, I can imagine it being really, everyone’s on edge, you know, this is going to be definitely come into play, right? Okay, let’s talk about Mark Ferman. Yes, we have a lot more here to go over, Mark Ferman, I’ll have Sean do it.

Yeah, so Mark Ferman is a, a police officer, Mark Ferman was a police officer in LAPD, and he was one of the first people on the scene of the murder, wasn’t he the one, that’s, I know him, I know him, I know the next kin or whatever, I’m right, he’s also the one who found the gloves, right, damn it, that was our first mistake. Okay, yeah, so a big huge thing that blew up in the trial was that Mark Ferman was a scaving RAC V. Yeah, dirty, dirty racism, like bad. So at the beginning of the actual trial, the prosecution and the defense were arguing over whether it had anything to do with the trial, just because a guy says the N word, yes, does it mean that he didn’t find the glove?

True, but I guess they’ be worried, like, will he plant it? Yeah, there you go, right? So the judge ultimately decided to allow it, but see, the, the only thing about that I don’t, because one of the gloves was in the crime scene, that’s right, which he didn’t find, yeah, he did, he found both gloves, yeah, oh, both, he found both gloves? Oh, okay, if he didn’t find the first one and then he found the second one, how did he, I just happen to have the exact, but here’s the thing, I don’t want to say, he found it, so if you arrive with three detectiv, he was, it wasn’t him alone, but him alone found the second one, that’s, that’s my point, like, correct, how would he have, he’s, oh, unless he killed her, then he’s just Happ to have his other glove handed.

Extra large Isotoner iser glove with blood on it, perfect. Okay, so January 24th, 95, they deliver their opening statements, Johnny Cochran delivers his opening statement. February, the jurors take a field trip, and they go to OJ’s home to take a [bleep] field trip. Field trip, yeah. And what’s funny, what’s funny is in other documentaries, the prosecution says that Johnny Cochran, in the defense, they changed his house to make him look more black, and they put up, like, oh yeah, so he had all these pictures of him with his mom, and Von Daily, and you know, white guys and white people and white pres, George Bush, yeah, blonde chicks and spring break, you know, all that [bleep], right.

And so then when they went and did the tour, it was, you know, uh, African leopard Prince, and you know what I mean, and it’s like drums and [bleep] instead of the golf pictures, all basketball. And I don’t, I don’t mean to, I’m not, I’m not being insensitive, I’m saying it was extreme. Yeah, they did it, they did it on purpose. Yes, there was a woman with African earrings, and you know what I mean, it was, when we all know, like, that, that [bleep] was not, he had a proba, a [bleep] piano, weird [bleep] But in essence, it was trying to make him more black.

See, isn’t that weird, they playing the race car, like tampering with a, like tampering with a potential, cramps, I don’t know, at least the imagery of a person, right, and who they really were. No, I mean, obviously that’s not tampering, that’s not the crime scene, the crime scene is Nicole’s house. I understand, but I’m saying it does seem like manipulation, like, you know, for example, so let’s say I’m like a, I’m a vehement drug addict, and let’s say that’s a part of, you know, this, this crime, and, and, and whatever, and let’s say for some, that has something to do with it, but you know, before they come and see my house, they clean it up, and they, you know, put a bunch of pictures of the kids and make it all tidy, as opposed to [bleep] crack pipes and [bleep] on the floor, like, look at Dar, like how he lives.

I know, it’s painting, it just, it seems, it just seems like it’s manipulation, it’s not illegal, but it’s manipulation. Yeah, not, yeah, it’s not ilal, changes the character of the person, yeah, just how you view them, if anything. Is [bleep] smart on law, I know, the ball. So March 15th, 1995, detective Mark Ferman, cross-examined by defense attorney effley Bailey, denied is using the word [bleep] at any time in the previous 10 years. So on the May 10th, the DNA testimony begins. June 15th, Simpson tries on the bloody gloves, the classic moment, they seem, they seem not to fit. And that’s what I always, we talk about the gloves for second?

Yeah, please, CU, I, I always [bleep] had to think about this. I know, okay, so first off, why did they have, first off, I think it was a [bleep] up that the prosecution even had him try the gloves on. Yeah, why do you even need, need to have the guy try it doesn’t matter. Yeah, it’s unnecessary. Second, they’re covered in blood for a year, I know, like shrinkage, have you ever put gloves in water, here’s a great example, I don’t know if you guys golf much, but my golf gloves, after one year of use, they turn into a shis, literally, I can’t even put my fingers in them anymore.

There’s, and it’s from sweat. Yeah, just imagine blood. Yeah, same [bleep]. Yeah, from, from being wet. Yes, another point, he’s wearing latex underneath. Yeah, latex, it makes your hands fatter. Yeah, right, it’s also like the glove actually was, it’s not, he physically couldn’t get his hand in the glove, it’s the glove was on, and it’s like, oh, it just doesn’t, yeah, doesn’t fit real nice, a little bit too tight. I’m not saying he’s a good one, but he’s an actor. But it’s also, who cares, I only murder people in gloves that fit perfectly, it’s such an unnecessary, well, the glove, the glove didn’t fit. Like, I thought it was [bleep], it’s so, it’s such a stupid, like, it’d be different if, like, the glove physically could get on his hand, right, if it was like this and he’s, oh, it can’t, doesn’t go on, or if you, you can fake it, you can be, you can put something on and go, don’t fake, I can’t get, and your, your hands are like this, I’m trying, I’m really trying.

I heard somebody said that he was on arthritic medication from playing football, so, and no, and so for a couple days before it, he stopped it, he all like SW, his hands are swollen up, it’s like super smart, he’s taking, he’s taking, trying the gloves on Friday, yeah, he’s, let me, let me prep, yeah, he’s taking inflammatories. I, dude, I would just stop taking medication, eat a bunch of cottage cheese. OJ looks fat, looks F, Fu, bloated. All right, anyways, I know, I always hated the glove, I just thought it was, it’s the most piece of evidence that literally, that needs, no, there’s no proof, yeah, but it was just visually, it’s because it’s all filmed, and everybody’s like, oh, it doesn’t fit, but it’s not, but his DNA is in the gloves, doesn’t matter, they don’t fit, what the [bleep].

So then August 15th, uh, oh, so July 6th the prosecution arrest, August 15th, the controversy over possible conflict of interest concerning judge Ido. Maria Clark asked Ido to recuse himself from the Simpson trial. Did they say why he had to refused himself? Yeah, so he was strange, he wanted to be on Letterman, he wanted to be on this, he wanted to be on that, his girlfriend at the time also knew Mark Ferman and he didn’t disclose it ahead of time. Oh, I see. Honestly though, she was a police officer, so it’s not, not like you don’t know them, she knows another police, yeah, you know what I mean, so there was a lot of reasons, he, he was a little bit loose, he wanted cameras, he wanted all these different things, and it just kind of [bleep] the whole trial up.

To, he wanted to be a celebrity, I know, he’s like, I’m trying to be famous. Yeah, so then August 16th, Clark changes her mind on the EO accusal. Uh, so Ferman was the detective who found the, a bloody glove on Simpson’s estate, this glove was later determined to be the mate of another glove found at the, m is the mate, the mate of another glove, know, like, they love found out the scene, it was soaked in the blood of both victims, that’s a good thing, soaked. Yeah, it was soaked, dude, you know how she got [bleep] cut. D, I didn’t realize that, I didn’t realize that her, her head was almost cut off, that’s [bleep] up.

So Simpsons defense team argued that Ferman planted the glove on simpsons’s estate following the murder to bolster their, excerpts of the tapes were admitted as eite evidence, outside the presence, I’m assuming these are tapes regarding Ferman, yeah, outside the presence of the jury, Ferman was questioned by the defense team, invoking his Fifth Amendment right on all questions, including the question, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in the case? Why would you plead the fifth on that? Yeah, and this is the part that everybody hated. No, no, because I think once you plead the F, you plead it, you got to keep, you don’t have to, oh, you don’t have to, you don’t have to, but for some reason you have to, most, most people don’t, most people don’t really know what the Fifth Amendment is.

The fifth amendment is, is your right to not say anything that will incriminate you in a crime, so that’s why if you’re testifying, yeah, you, you have the right to not incriminate yourself in another crime, right, so therefore, you, the fth, so by pleading the fifth is almost, why don’t you just say, no, I didn’t, and I know, well, once he, keep going, and then let’s see, what, so earlier in the trial, Ferman testified that he had not used the word [bleep], I’m allowed to say that, African, just say, just say, with within the last 10 years, that’s such a loose question, I love that, the last 10 years, so remember, that was at the beginning, at the beginning they said, did you do this in the last, he said no, he was, he, he, he said no to that, why do you say no to tampering with the evidence?

What the [bleep], he’s like, they’ll never know what I said, idiots, which proved later to be perjured testimony. With the admission of the tapes, his recorded words as well as his denial was a major blow to the prosecution’s case. So he was probably, it’s some, like Backyard Barbecue, just like dropping end Bombs all over the, so on August 29th, Ferman tapes played in court with the jury absent. Yeah, who are the [bleep] play to then? Yeah, to the judge, and you know what I mean, so that they can hear the all the tapes, it was like 14 hours of tapes. I got you, and he was being interviewed.

What are these tapes from, by the way? Like, there’s just an interview of years earlier of how to, somebody was writing a script for a movie, and they were interviewing police officers about how they treat, what a people, [bleep] idiot, honestly, honestly, and it was in, it was dark racism, like it was like it was like it was like, he felt it tell, like a hate, like hate him, it was choke, like deep, deep, like the real deal, the real, you have to Wrangle the animals, you know, and you know, and he’s talking about black people and what a firmman, real solid stand guy. I, I think, I think there’s a number, and I think he said it like 50 times throughout the, the interview, 50 times.

So was, was, was Ferman giving testimony for like a Quinton tarantina movie? No, it wasn’t even testimony, it was like for a screenplay. Yeah, it was like a [bleep] screen play. Well, anyways, so yeah, those T, what a [bleep], you knew you did, like, I haven’t said anything. So then Judo rules that the jury will hear two excerpts of controversial tapes, okay, that’s on the 31st. Yeah, so out of all of those tapes, he ruled that, you, that they’re going to play two excerpts, and they essentially just showed him perjuring himself and saying the n-word, and then, you know what I mean, and that was it.

Bas, God, this guy, this guy was an idiot. Yeah, so, so then Mark Ferman appears on the stand, and he refuses to answer any question, he said everything. Oh, well, yeah, at that point, he’s, everything, he’s, I’m not going to make the same mistake and say, just ruin my own. So September 7th, the defense announced that Simpson will not testify on his own behalf, and September 11th, I think that was probably a smart play by his, by his, by his lawyers there. Don’t you [bleep] dare, don’t you dare speak, don’t you shut your mouth. He probably wanted to. Do let me, let me, I trust, I got this.

So the defense rests September 11th, 1995, coincidence? Yeah, I think not. Yeah, so both defense and prosecution rest their cases. In a statement to judge, waving his right to testify, OJ said, I did not, could not, and would not have Committed this crime, I mean, could not, I mean, he had the means, he was in the area. September 26th, Marsha Clark and Darden delivered, deliver their prosecution closing arguments. The next day Johnny Cochran deliver his defense, the closing arguments. And Cochran, I listened, I watched his closing arguments, and he goes hard. Yeah, he goes hard on Ferman, Ferman and the police. He Compares Ferman to Adolf Hitler in his closing speech.

[bleep], I mean, that’s a little mat, because Adolf Hitler murdered 6 million, same thing. I like your speech. And then he said that, and what the [bleep]? I mean, you could have, like, he’s like the [bleep] Clansman back in that, that’s a more, I didn’t like it, but um, cuz Hitler is the only piece of [bleep] who’s that big of a piece of [bleep], like, come on, let’s be real. So then his famous words are in there, and some people say this is what resonated in the minds of the jury, and it was, if it doesn’t fit, you must qu, must quit. Yeah, oh yeah, famous words, famous words, but that’s, but it’s the worst piece of evidence, I know, but it’s the lousiest, nice jingle, though.

Yeah, it just starts carrying weight and starts taking a life of its own. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, that [bleep] [bleep] r, that was the original, that was the, the first rap lyric. Yeah, I mean, I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, it, don’t, you must to quit, I know, it’s true, it’s like the jingle, it’s the jingle, yeah, it’s [bleep]. Oh, oh, oh, oh, why do we know that? You know, we know that, I’ve never forgotten that [bleep], never will. So, September 29th, 1995, the case then goes to the jury to deliberate. I wonder how long, how long it take them to delate this?

They, okay, the trial was eight months, minimum wage, everybody, everybody thought they were going to go, and they were going to at least take a couple days. Yeah, so they went on vacation, they went to Catalina Islands, they, they went all these different places, and four hours, they deliberated for 4 hours. Really? That, that’s a, that’s ridiculous. I would have, 4 hours? I thought you were going to say four weeks. Me too. You can’t even, you can’t even go over if you were in the jury, and you were like, I can’t even discuss, finish this podcast in four hours, you can’t. I, three hours with the podcast, yeah, that is the best point I’ve ever heard.

So how long it takes us to get one hour of content is mind-blowing. So literally the next day the jury comes out, and you know, you guys have all seen it, you’ve seen the end where it’s, you know, we the jury find orthal James Simpson not guilty of, but the thing, like, of murder. [bleep], 4 hours, that’s absurdly, F, fast, crazy. Why? That’s absurdly fast. I saw one interview with, actually I saw two interviews, not a lot of the jurors spoke later, like, about. I bet not, they probably felt guilty, they’re like. But two of them did, and, and one of them said that it’s not that they didn’t believe that he didn’t do it, they didn’t believe the prosecution proved it, that was the quote from one of the jurors.

CU, you have to be, you have to be 100% in a criminal murder trial, you have to be, all 12 of those be unreasonable, all 12 of them have to say yes. Yep. I just think that, and that’s why I thought it would have taken so long, it’s, everybody needs to be, at least one person would be like, take dinner, take din, I got a poop, and then we’re going to reconvene, and then we’ll discuss this, think about this. No, yeah, Hector, let’s get some coffee, Hector, I don’t know, Hector, sorry, sorry. So then the other, the other person who interviewed said that they believed that it was revenge for Rodney King.

Believe, what, was revenge for Rodney King, that they let him off, letting him off, revenge to the cops for what happened to Rodney King? Oh, the cops got acquitted. The other juror, the black man, now got acquitted, that’s right, little thing about that is Rodney King didn’t die. And Rod, and Rodney King did get decapitated and stabbed 50 [bleep] times, yeah. But remember, it was three years before, it was three years right before this happened, and there was still that so much tension going on, so that, that could be a thing. That could be two years, actually. Oh, oh, okay, two years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, you’re see, that’s why I’m telling you that 4 hours, that’s ridiculous.

But the amount of evidence against him, it is [bleep] impossible, the trial took [bleep] 8 months, [bleep] 4 hours later, at least grant them the time to consider it. Yeah, even think of Nicole and Ron, maybe we should take the weekend, jurors, no, they don’t give a [bleep] about, no one gives a [bleep] about them, we want to go, I know, yeah, they were probably like, my thing is, I guarantee they were like, they were so, they were so over it, they’re just like, yeah, [bleep] it, he’s innocent, get the out. And what’s even probably more [bleep] up, they were probably just like, let’s flip a coin, 5050, let’s fate decide, fate, fate will decide, James, yeah.

So I think it’s pretty atrocious, and they should be ashamed of themselves, honestly, the, the jur, yeah, even just as, imagine being the family members of Nicole and, and, and the other guy, really, you couldn’t even, Ron wasn’t even part of it, he was just a waiter, he was just, he was being a Good Samaritan, here, your glasses, oh God, the worst, oh [bleep]. So there you go, so he was acquitted, and when it happened there were celebration in the streets, and it was this Roar of Justice. Yeah, Justice for OJ, and you know what I mean, like a whole thing. I think this is where this type of stuff becomes, it starts to overshadow basic, basic Humanity.

Yeah, and don’t get me wrong, I’m in no way condeming, like, what happened to Rony King, it was [bleep] [bleep], they should have, and those guys getting off is [bleep] [bleep]. But it’s like the classic adage, two wrongs don’t make it right. Oh, it’s, it doesn’t, it’s not some sort of victory that you quit. OJ, he’s on trial for, he’s on trial for murder, try him as, he’s, try him as a human who’s on trial for murder, who’s the [bleep], if he’s black or white or brown or, you know, Indian, does, who gives a [bleep], right? Handle, handle things as they are, handle that LAPD problem as its own situation, right?

Those guys should, yeah, those guys should go to jail. But I feel like this, is the riots were enough to get their Revenge? To me, it’s like political Warfare, this political Warfare, [bleep], it’s, and it keeps happening, it keeps [bleep] happening, and it’s wild to me that the prosecution [bleep] up so bad, it’s crazy, right? Okay, you have, I’m just going to do a quick recap here, all the [bleep] up. You have a ex-husband who is, was charged with abuse, called nine times, n times, nine times for abuse, pictures of her battered to [bleep] in the hospital, pregnant, right? Okay, big man. And, and the ninth time it was documented by the lap, right, that she was saying, he’s going to kill me, yeah, that’s right, okay, keep going.

Okay, yeah, so no alibi, nope, none, y can’t count for his whereabouts, right, his blood in his brocco, yeah, there’s blood everywhere, he’s got a cut on his hand, stabbed 70 [bleep] times, there’s blood in his Bronco, there’s blood leading to his steps, to his house, yeah, blood in the seat, the bottom of his car, right? And it’s Nicole’s blood, and Ron’s blood, and his blood, his blood’s at the scene, his blood’s at the murder scene, the glove is at his house two miles away, covered in blood, soaked in blood, soaked, soaked in his house, he has blood on his socks in his room. The [bleep], it’s like, so, okay, we’re not even done.

Then he writes a suicide note, because he can’t deal with it anymore, yeah, with smile, smiley face. Then proceed not to, not show up to, when he’s supposed to remand himself to cor. Then he runs, he runs, and he says he’s going to kill himself or whatever, but in reality he’s got cash, passports, disguises, disguises, and he’s got a getaway driver, got disguises. I know, the best part, I forgot about the fake, the fake mustache, who is he supposed to be? Know, my name is. Then we haven’t even gotten into it, and this is next, this is next episode, he wrote a book called If I Did It, yeah, yeah, but that was after, we’re still talking right now, we’re still talking about how the hell this jury, that’s true, at that moment, what, w, yeah, that’s true.

There’s just so much evidence, it’s just such a slam dunk, it’s just such a, I think the big, the biggest mistake is allowing Ferman to be [bleep] up. Fman [bleep] it hard, [bleep] it up, that’s, he’s the guy who found the glove, wasn’t involved, I don’t think, I think, happen, I think they would have had a much harder time. Yeah, cuz otherwise bad luck. H, is that just bad luck that Ferman happened to be the guy who found the glove? No, I think it’s LA, that’s why I think the LAPD was so [bleep] at the time, like if it wasn’t Ferman it would have been some other piece of [bleep] guy, and they look into their background, and then you can never, you just can’t believe, but it, somebody else wouldn’t have been on tape for hours talking about dropping that B, black, Serge, oh God, Jesus Christ, you know what to do with them, black, them blacks, you know what I’m talking about, like, how did you not remember?

You did that, he knew. And then it’s just the last, of course not, how you, with evidence I, the fifth, and then, what did he have, like, four hours of dropping the end bomb on tape? It’s like, oh my God, it’s the fifth. Straight from there, so it makes you. Look even worse, and the, they just messed it up, they [bleep] it up, they fed it up, and, and, and I think the jury basically, like, what they said is, they didn’t prove it. Okay, I’ve actually formulated some new, I would still be, no, no, no, I, let’s talk about it, for more than four hours?

Yeah, let’s just, just pretend, let’s just make him seem like it’s like a legit, what if, you can’t even watch Lord of the Rings in four hours, you can watch 1.2 movies of Lord of the Rings, it’s insane. Anyways, all right, well, that’s, let’s end of part two. Part three is, so, part three, here we, part three, we’re going to go into If I Did It, it’s the book that he wrote about, his quote unquote, if he did do it, this is how he would have done it. It is the most Brazen [bleep], so [bleep], so ridiculous, it was one of the hardest books I’ve ever gotten through, not because of how riveting it is and how horrible it is, but how much [bleep] it is, it’s, is such [bleep].

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