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Tonight we have an episode and it’s called The Hollow Earth conspiracy. Here we go, the Earth is flat again, no, hollow, and we’re just going to kick it off. We don’t need to do a whole rigamarole, we don’t need to do the sponsors, we don’t need the scientists. The Hollow Earth conspiracy is one of the most enduring myths in modern folklore. It suggests that beneath the Earth lies a vast unexplored world complete with its own ecosystem, civilization, and even advanced technology. Yes, I have heard about this.

This idea, while widely discredited by the scientific community, continues to capture the imagination of many. But the problem is, why does it continue to persist? That’s the issue, and that’s why we’re doing the episode. Why does it continue over centuries, like what are they basing this off of? Perhaps it’s the allure of the unknown, the thrill of adventure, or the human tendency to believe in hidden truths and grand mysteries. Man, that sounds like the selling card for an adventure series.

What we’re going to do is explore some of the main theories in this whole conspiracy, and then at the end Sean will do a scientific dissertation about what is actually happening in the core. You probably have seen this a lot in movies and books, Journey to the Center of the Earth, all this sort of thing. You got to give it to the theory, it continues to be a thing where it’s a story of oh let’s just drill down into the middle of the Earth and then there’s a dinosaur there, and he’s alive and he’s chilling and he’s on his iPhone.

So the concept of a hollow Earth can be traced back to ancient civilizations. Various cultures have myths and legends about underground realms. For instance, Greek mythology tells of Hades, the underworld ruled by the god of the same name. In Norse mythology there’s Svartalfheim, which is the land of the dark elves, and it’s located beneath the Earth’s crust. These myths suggest that the idea of hidden worlds beneath our feet is deep-seated and part of human culture.

Even hell, that’s right under us, it’s down beneath us. Heaven is up in the skies. Maybe it’s just their way of looking down on people that they deem shitty. So aside from ancient stories, the main hollow Earth theory emerged in the 17th century, and it was from a guy named Edmond Halley, the English astronomer best known for Halley’s Comet. He proposed in 1692 that the Earth might consist of a hollow shell about 500 miles thick, with two inner concentric shells and an innermost core.

Now he’s the guy who figured out Halley’s Comet, the one that comes around every so often, so he’s got some science backing. Although it could have been an accident, he’s like I seen that, I swear, trust me. But this guy is famous now because his name is forever in our culture. Halley’s hypothesis was an attempt to explain anomalous compass readings and the auroras, the Aurora Borealis, the magnetic stuff. He believed those were caused by luminous gases escaping from Earth, so he proposed that there was an empty void.

In the 19th century there was somebody by the name of John Cleves Symmes Jr, an American army officer, and he became one of the most ardent proponents of the hollow Earth theory. He proposed that the Earth was hollow and habitable within, with large openings at the North and South Poles. So he basically was saying you go to the North Pole and there’s a hole in the ground, jump in. I have heard a lot of those stories, that’s why they won’t let you go to the poles, because there’s massive holes that lead inside.

He even petitioned Congress for funding to mount an expedition to find the entrances. Imagine if you randomly happened upon something like that, do we go in? Unfortunately his request was denied by Congress. Can you imagine sitting at Congress and this guy comes in, check it out, let’s listen to the presentation, I want to go north or south, whatever money I got, but there’s a hole and I want to jump in the hole and see where it leads. They’re like get out of here, sir. So no wonder they didn’t approve that. But it wasn’t egregious enough of spending.

Despite his denial at Congress, the theory garnered attention and it kind of took on a mind of its own. And the fact that it was denied, you couldn’t deny that it exists because he wasn’t allowed to go. So then it starts becoming like a legend. They denied it because it’s true. That’s right, Area 54. I like that one, Area 54. I think it’s Studio 54. The core is just in the club. He’s in the club.

So here are a few stories about hollow Earth theory. One of the most intriguing is that of Admiral Richard Byrd, a dedicated American naval officer and a pioneering aviator. Byrd is often cited by hollow Earth enthusiasts because of his alleged diary entries describing a flight that he took over the North Pole in 1947, in which he claimed to have encountered a lush warm region inhabited by a technologically advanced civilization inside the Earth. How did he, he like flew into it?

This is from his diaries, but even more intriguing, he claimed to have been contacted by a representative of an advanced race living inside the Earth. These beings supposedly warned him about humanity’s use and development of nuclear weapons. While these claims are widely regarded as fictional, they add an element of sci-fi and drama. Keep in mind this flight was 1947, and in 45 that’s when we dropped the first bombs, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So the theory is that there are, we can’t call them aliens because they’re from Earth. There’s a theory that humans are the aliens. Oh, you really want to go deep. That in the beginning we weren’t from here, so maybe this race went underground when we came here on a conquest. So they’re not aliens, they’re just some advanced earthling advanced civilization. But then what are we, or what is everybody else? Usurpers? I don’t know, it’s above our pay grade here.

But the story lacks credible evidence and is widely regarded as a hoax or a misinterpretation of his diaries. Nevertheless, it is the cornerstone of the hollow Earth theory, which is that Admiral Byrd, a legitimate homie, he was an admiral too, it’s not like he was a scrub. This is very much like the Tic Tac with Commander Fravor, he’s like super credible and super sane and lucid. Although to be fair, this is 1947 and all we have is his journals, whereas for the Tic Tac we actually had footage from the planes.

Which to this day Eric still doesn’t believe or credit. He still thinks it’s fake footage, he’s like well why isn’t it in HD, why is it in black and white? It’s a thermal image and they’re going the speed of sound. I don’t remember what our summary was at the end of that. Eric was like the UFOs, and I’m pretty sure it ended with me and Jorge in agreement and Eric not in agreement. Well I mean it was like a drone, like it was a pelican and the sun was perfect. Anyway, go listen to that.

However, hollow Earth theorists claimed there was an ulterior motive to find the entrance to the inner Earth. They point to Byrd’s mysterious statements about an enchanted continent in the sky and a land beyond the pole as evidence of his discovery. Continent in the sky, I thought it was under the Earth. This is taking notes from his diary, it’s all cryptic. He was tripping balls, straight up Avatar style, like I plugged into the Earth. Although mainstream historians and scientists dismiss these claims, they add another layer of intrigue to the Byrd legend and the hollow Earth legend.

Another story is called the Smoky God. It’s a novel that was written by Willis George Emerson in 1908. The book purports to be the true account of a Norwegian sailor named Olaf Jansen, who along with his father supposedly sailed through an entrance to the Earth’s interior at the North Pole, and inside they discovered a paradise-like world illuminated by a central sun. But my thing is, why would you leave if you found this paradise? Like forget that, no.

But if Jorge and I go, we got to bring Sean here, right? We got to tell Sean the ship crashed, we’re going to come back and tell the population, and then never go back. I’d be like all right Eric, you go, I’m going to stay here, I’m going to keep it nice and cool, I’m going to claim this little land for us and keep up diplomatic relations with the people. Additionally, they said they found an inhabited race of giants with advanced tech, kind of like the Nephilim.

Have you heard of the Nephilim theory? That’s probably another thing we should do, this ancient race of giants. There’s lots of evidence. I mean, we’re going on the diaries of an LSD addict over here. So Giants in a paradise, I don’t really get it, how is there a sun within? Maybe they built an artificial sun, or maybe they mistook the core itself as a sun. How is anybody surviving down there, and how is it paradise? It seems like it would be like the Amazon, it seems like hell, it’s a little hot. Maybe they’re not so far down, maybe it’s at a comfortable layer, like halfway. That makes some sense.

So the Smoky God remains a classic in hollow Earth literature, and it blends adventure and utopian fantasy. It’s the one that inspired Journey to the Center of the Earth, you know the story of where they go and find dinosaurs. And it’s a utopia, and there’s so much foliage and plant life everywhere. The perfect setup for that, no sunlight, no water, everything that plants need.

This is my favorite one, it’s called the Nazis in the hollow. What I love about the Nazis is they’re so perfectly bad guys, the ultimate bad guys. There’s even movies and books about how they went to the far side of the moon. There’s crazy stuff, they made submarine spaceships, they’re after the Holy Grail, everything is Nazis, because they were such easy bad guys. It’s kind of like what the Russians became later in time, the Russians did everything wrong.

So a bizarre anecdote from the history of the hollow Earth is the Nazi obsession with this theory. It is said that the Nazis believed in a hidden realm beneath the Earth’s surface where the Aryan race had originated. Maybe that’s why they’re all so white, no sun, like cave people. Some reports suggest that Nazi expeditions were sent to various parts of the world. So during the Third Reich’s peak, apparently there were many expeditions that Hitler sent his Nazi crew on. Some say it was the Holy Grail, like he was searching for eternal life, and some say it was to seek advanced technology.

It seems like the Germans were more than willing to go after any kind of obscure thing. They were like there’s all this obscure stuff, weird things they had discovered, spaceships, and they were going to somehow win the war from this. If they would have been focused on the actual war they probably would have won, but instead they’re like nah, we got to go find some other stuff. There’s also that searching for secret gold so they could fund it.

One of those theories was that they sent expeditions, because they did send expeditions to Antarctica. So there is that evidence, they did send it, but what they sent it for we don’t know. And so the theory is that they were investigating that the Earth was hollow. I think at this time Hitler was already amphetamined out, so he was just like yeah yeah yeah, go here. There’s one super dark deep theory, that that’s where Hitler went, to the center, to the core. He’s like this is where we came from. He knew the war was ending and he was going to lose, and so they found an escape hatch to hell in Antarctica.

It’s like a slide, slides down. I’ve been picturing some rock slide that he lands in like a gully. What’s strange about that is that means he’s still alive living in the center of the Earth, right now, plotting his next takeover. He’s just waiting, he’s waiting for Biden to win. He’s like running the DNC, he’s like trust me Biden is the one, I’m just waiting for Biden’s second term, I’m coming out. So that one’s wild, I love it. I feel like it can make a pretty solid Indiana Jones, journey to Hitler’s lair.

Another story is called the hidden king of Agartha. Agartha, also known as Agarttha, is a legendary city said to be located within the center of the Earth. According to various myths, Agartha is a utopian paradise ruled by a wise and benevolent leader known as the King of the World. How original. One anecdote tells of the French occultist Alexandre Saint-Yves d’Alveydre, who claimed to have received telepathic communications from the inhabitants of Agartha.

Saint-Yves described Agartha as a highly advanced society with technology and spiritual knowledge far beyond our own. These stories have inspired numerous occultists and esoteric thinkers, adding a mystical dimension to the hollow Earth mythos. Then we can just check that one off the list and move on. Nope, not that one. Drugs are powerful, people say they don’t mess with your mind.

So then there’s also another story of John Cleves Symmes Jr, one of the most prominent proponents of the early hollow Earth theory in the 19th century. He was the guy who petitioned Congress. His theory, he wanted to explore the poles, but inspired a series of hollow Earth clubs across the US. These clubs were dedicated to discussing and promoting those ideas. Symmes even commissioned the construction of a hollow Earth globe in which he depicted his vision of the Earth’s interior. Although his theories were never proven, Symmes’s passion and dedication sparked a unique subculture.

It seems like it’s a weird hollow Earth MLM, you got to get two more to believe in hollow Earth. Sounds like straight up flat-earther style. There’s nothing wrong with that, we’re not saying that, I might even be a believer. I’m just saying, a passionate group of people, hyper passionate, with that negative evidence they leave us very bad reviews. All of our one stars are from these guys. Maybe we should put an apology, the Earth is flat, 100% flat, we believe, please revert your reviews to five stars.

So here are some geological anomalies that may support the argument. There’s massive cave systems and subterranean rivers. If you were to do ground radar, LIDAR, especially in the poles, because it’s places we’ve never explored. You got to think of how many massive underground aquifers and all this stuff that’s happening in there. So hollow Earth proponents cite geological anomalies as evidence. One such example is the mysterious humming sound reported in various parts of the world, including New Mexico, Bristol England, etc. The Earth is humming, this vibrating hum.

But how do they just attribute something they can’t explain to it having to be hollow Earth? You can’t take something you don’t know what it is and just make it mean something else, it doesn’t work that way. This humming doesn’t mean there’s a civilization, there’s no evidence of the civilization. The pyramids are there, they’re tangible. So some enthusiasts speculate that these sounds are produced by the advanced civilizations underneath. You think they couldn’t make a non-sound-generating machine? They’re so advanced but they bring the hum.

So the idea is that if we have major machinery and they’re an advanced civilization, they have generators. That hum is being created in the Earth by the machines, whatever they’re doing down there. Similarly, there’s also seismic events that occur, seismic anomalies. Now you’re making a little more sense, you’re in Tremors and you have the little thing getting wild and you can’t figure out why there’s seismic activity. Because earthquakes happen, tectonic plates happen to be shifting. We did learn this, even Helen Keller learned that, tectonic plates.

So moving on, there’s the psychological appeal of the hollow Earth. The enduring popularity of the theory can also be attributed to its psychological appeal, the idea of a hidden world taps into the fundamental human desire for discovery and adventure. That makes a lot of sense. It’s an unknown, a place where anything’s possible, and it’s always a utopia. It’s not like you go down there and it’s a hole, it’s a utopia, it’s perfect, it’s peace. It’s not like Mad Max down there. It’s a perfect location for your imagination, it’s under our feet, a hidden Narnia.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think we’re ever going to prove it wrong, because we’ll never prove it right or wrong. It can never be proven at all. It’s kind of like having a story that can never be proved wrong in your lifetime. So whoever comes up with the best story, it. We should make up our own. We should become the president of the hollow Earth club, that one we can join. I’d be down. Eric’s going to join the Freemasons, still waiting for an invite, I never even got one. You have to apply, I think you need a sponsor.

Another captivating tale is that of the fictional novel The Coming Race by Edward Bulwer-Lytton, published in 1871. The novel describes a subterranean world inhabited by a superior race called the Vril-ya, who possess a powerful energy source called Vril. This book, though fictional, has influenced many conspiracy theories, including inspiring the Nazi fascination. The notion of a hidden advanced civilization beneath the Earth resonates with those who believe in lost knowledge and hidden truth. I think the Nazis were so conceited, they’re like there’s got to be some god tech that we can have because we’re destined for it.

Everybody has heard of the Jules Verne novel Journey to the Center of the Earth. It was published in 1864 and it contributed significantly to the hollow Earth mythology. Verne’s imaginative narrative of an underground world filled with prehistoric creatures and vast caverns captured the public’s imagination, and it remains the cornerstone of the hollow Earth theory. I love it, the guy just writes a book and they’re like this is the Bible for us. In my opinion this book is the theory, it’s the Lord of the Rings, it’s the classic, it is the one.

And it’s all about journeying to the center, which they made movies and TV shows about. In short, the story is an adventure almost like Indiana Jones, and he goes and explores a cave and goes down and finds a dinosaur civilization in the center. Just imagine humans but a million years ago, like hunter-gatherer, all hairy. No, not even, hella advanced, no, ancestors of humanoids, like apes. But what’s the one after apes, Cro-Magnon men, you know what I’m talking about, where they’re on two feet but they don’t speak English. It’s on the History Channel.

So now some things that would counter these theories. Probably the biggest scientific reason why they believe that it’s full of it is because the Earth’s core is a giant molten ball of metal. So it’s rotating, and that ball of metal creates the magnetic field which keeps the sun from vaporizing us. So there’s a magnetic field around the Earth. The atmosphere is what allows us to breathe and live, it keeps the oxygen in. Then there’s a magnetic field around the Earth.

The sun is a giant nuclear reaction, literally a giant ball of radiation. It’s like 3,000 degrees Kelvin. If we didn’t have this magnetic field, it stops a lot of the radiation, doesn’t stop all of it but stops a lot. If we didn’t have that, you would just instantly die, like your body would be as if you’re standing next to a nuclear explosion but without the blowback, your skin would just fall off and you would be radiated to death. And that’s because of the core, because the core is a giant massive molten ball of metal.

Ever heard of geothermal energy? You can literally get heat coming from the center of the Earth to create energy. Where is the heat coming from, is it coming from their advanced civilizations’ generators throwing off heat? No, it’s coming from a molten core. Look at the videos of the volcanic eruptions happening at the bottom of the ocean, just spewing out molten rock. It’s a giant pool of magma, which is mostly metal, and it’s spinning and it’s hot, it’s not cooling down, it’s constantly spinning and rotating, and that creates the magnetic field that protects us from dying by the sun.

How do we know that it’s there? I think they can test for magnetic fields, there’s equipment, and you can generate a magnetic field and know that it exists, because we have that technology. So I think they probably sent probes, I don’t know exactly how, but there is. They had Bruce Willis and the drilling team from Armageddon, we need you to drill down 10,000 feet in 7 hours. That movie is so insane, we have 3 months to make you astronauts and send you out to place nuclear stuff. Great movie, I’d rewatch it all the time. It also reminds me of how bad of an actor Ben Affleck is.

And obviously geothermal is real, there are immense amounts of heat coming from underground. So what are the odds that there are dinosaurs down there? Zero, less than zero. So hear me out, I think the odds of there being an advanced civilization are higher than there being dinosaurs down there. True. So the north pole hole, I’m intrigued by that. You think something might be there? I think it’s possible. Something like what? Well, because there’s a reason why you can’t go there.

If we raised money, got our listeners and said hey we’re all going to the North Pole to do our own investigation, send me a PayPal, we could raise like 100 grand. What would it take for us three to go there, 100 grand, 200 grand, maybe? But you’re actually not allowed to. It’s a no-fly zone, you can fly up to a certain point but then you stop, and it’s like a treaty with all the nations on Earth. I didn’t know that. So you get shot down or what? Well, the anti-conspiracy is that it’s too dangerous, like 80% of people die, don’t do it anymore.

Imagine a barren wasteland of ice, negative 40 or 50 degrees, and there’s no food, you can’t kill a polar bear, it’ll just kill you. So if I wanted to, I’m not allowed to, but it’s not like a free land. It’s up to me, I don’t care if I die, I want to go. They have naval ships, coast ships, randomly patrolling, and if they caught you they’d be like get the out of here, shoot you down. It’s not like a Bermuda Triangle thing where you can’t go. That water is owned by different countries, so bottom line, they shoot you down.

So is this a vacation idea? If I came to you and said hey I got it all paid for, three weeks, I’d need more information before I said yes. I’d need to know how, I don’t need a skeptic, I need a yes-man. I’d need to see the prospectus on a PowerPoint. You need to know that you won’t die, that you’re going to have food. That’s what you’re worried about is food? You’re in a barren wasteland. I’m more worried about the pilot and the blizzard storm, because I think we could get there but it’s surviving while you’re there and then getting out.

There’s this guy I’ve seen on TikTok, he lives in the North or South, one of these places where it gets 40 below and all that. He puts videos on TikTok where you can see, and he sometimes goes out and walks around. It’s pretty scary, just white everywhere you look. Winter is coming. I was invited one time to Patagonia, the southern tip of South America, and that’s as close as you can get without getting shot down. If we were billionaires I’d be like YOLO, let’s ride, but it’s pricey.

One other interesting thing is that people think you can’t go there, and that’s part of the Flat Earth theory, that there’s the ice wall. But one thing I just thought of is the negative against that theory, that if you were at the equator and just kept going you would eventually get back to the same spot, without hitting any ice walls. No offense, these guys watched Game of Thrones way too much, the wall. Sure, there’s probably walls of ice there, it’s the only thing that exists there.

You know what I want to do, I want to go to the North Pole and just make a fire and cook a steak on a stick over the fire, and then come out like helicopter me out. Doesn’t that sound rad? That does sound pretty cool. I’d go ice fishing. I got dreams, guys, I got to sell the dream, I got to work on my PowerPoint. The first slide is like, how do I even get the steak there, ice cold, freezing, I need a pot to melt the ice for the brewskis.

So Hollow Earth, let’s go back, where were we at? No, I mean we’re done, we passed that. There’s a bunch of pop culture movies, the new Godzilla versus Kong, the whole thing underneath in the core. Stargate SG-1, there was a whole thing in there, but it wasn’t a whole world, it was just a Stargate. It’s become part of our culture, that there’s something in Earth that’s not a metal ball spinning and murdering us. Also in the game Minecraft, you can go in and create worlds. The thing is it’s in our culture, it’s in our world.

That should be the tagline, Hollow Earth, it’s part of our world, it’s part of our culture, it is the world. We’re going to go with Jorge first. We’re going hollow Jorge. I was trying to keep an open mind throughout the whole thing. Even with the Flat Earth episode there was some stuff where I’m like okay, that’s weird, like the six-mile thing where you put a telescope and you can’t see. That was one of our most commented videos, a million views, but not our most viewed.

The random picture of the plane flying over Egypt was flagged as false information. So I was trying to keep an open mind, but after all this, I can’t get behind any of these theories, none of them. I’m going with the scientific theory, more Sean’s side, of the metal ball spinning. I have a customer that we do marketing for, and some company is trying to bring to market new drill technology that goes down super deep, harnessing the power and the heat, geothermal. Is his name Bruce Willis? Diamond chip.

So just based on what Sean’s saying, I’m leaning more towards the science. I don’t see any conspiracy theory here. In the 60s they would say if you kept digging you could get to China. That’s not possible, no. It’s also that at some point gravity would inverse, be weird. I would like to experience that, where it starts sucking you in. Have you seen, in the remake of Total Recall, they have a thing that shoots you to the other side of the Earth through the Earth.

It’s not teleporting, but you go through, it shoots you down and gravity sucks you down and then at some point the gravity flips. Pretty cool, it’s a way to travel to Japan in essence, in an hour. The old one didn’t have that, the remake did, and the triple titty girl, I love that girl. I want to watch Total Recall original again, so good. That’s what your coin should be called, triple titty coin.

I came up, I still believe in the science for sure, but what if there was like, not advanced, but maybe an ancient civilization before that had lived in caves underground and survived, and then maybe that stirred the lore, people seeing others coming out of the ground. Maybe there was an apocalyptic event and they were forced to go underground out of necessity, like an Ice Age happens, and then the myth just perpetuates itself for hundreds of years. And they developed Twitter down there, that’s where the internet started, Al Gore was down there inventing it.

What do you think? I think it’s total bull, I’m joking, I’m making jokes, but I think you’re more right. Whether or not it’s a metal ball spinning, I don’t know the science on it. When I say ball of metal I don’t mean a solid ball, I mean it’s just molten metal and it’s surging. It’s a molten core. What I do know is that the next level of Earth has got to be some sort of extreme heat, otherwise how do we have volcanoes, where’s it coming from?

So there must be at least one sphere that’s hotter, and maybe if you get past that you get through, and they’re like maybe there’s an adamantium underneath, vibranium, Wakanda’s down there. It’s like a weird force screen and you’re like, see this is the real world. So I don’t subscribe to any of it. If anyone has any more substantial information that could lead us, we got to the bottom of it, that it’s fake. We solved it, the old TCP stamp of approval. Now you know a little bit about it.

Probably number three that we all agree on, third episode maybe. We got Maryland, we got MLK, we got Loch Ness. I think you guys were a little, I was really sold on the elephants after I seen that picture, elephant 100%. We should keep it a Patreon thing. I want to create an animation that is like our stamp of solve, once we solve it. We solved Tupac, I think there’s another one we solved. I still feel like we solved Maryland.

I’m already on Kyle Gallon. What about Martha Moxley, the tree jerker, that might be my favorite episode. I have to do a follow up on that one, where is the tree jerker now, let’s find this guy, I want to interview him on the street, how many times did you jerk off in the tree? Dude’s probably in Memphis, a used car salesman living life doing interviews like the Hawk Tuah girl, Nashville. There you go, that’s Hollow Earth.