Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. Yeah, we’re here. What’s up everybody? I’m Eric and this is Jorge. And I’m Sean, the one you all hate. I hope everybody’s doing good tonight or today or this morning or this midmorning or late afternoon.

We have a pretty deep one and it’s going to get real deep, so I hope you’re strapped in. I hope you’re really ready for this because we are going to do time travel. Dramatic pause there too. This is a rich person request. And if you don’t know what a rich person request is, on our Patreon, the highest level of Patreon gets you an actual episode that you get to select. It’s a level of loyalty that you guys can prove to us. You’re a true conspirator. No, it shows that you’re rich as hell and you’re going to support our podcast in the best way possible. By allowing it, and we reward you with a request.

This request is from Justin, and he became a rich person in January or so and he put in the request. He wanted to know more about the possibility of time travel. Time travel. Is it real? And that’s why I say we’re going to go deep, because we’re going to talk about Einstein’s theory of relativity. We’re going to talk about all the famous stories. I have 12 of the most famous time travel stories, and it’s hard to even get into the quantum physics. Sean’s going to go all in. No, because it’s mathematic. It’s paradoxical. It’s a paradox. So you’re trying to quantify the possibility of a paradox. Quantums. Anyways, look, don’t hate me because my brain’s so big. We just got another one star. Shut up about the paradoxes.

So as we do on the show, we’re going to start at the earliest mention and/or beginning. We’re going to start at the beginning. The pyramids, or no, Kufu. Here we go. Pyramid number five, part five. Kufu. Actually, I’m not going back that far. But it’s ancient concepts of time. So before we had machines or equations or a mathematical society, ancient cultures explored time in sort of a mystical term. In Hindu mythology, the tale of King Kakuramu tells of a man who visits Brahma, which is the creator god, the original god, only to return and find that thousands of years have passed on Earth. Ancient Chinese and Buddhist stories also told of monks that entered into a deep meditation or a sacred grove and emerged to find that the world had changed drastically.

Have you ever heard of the concept of a physics concept called time dilation? No. So the theory, it’s obviously theoretical because we can’t do it right now, but the theory is that if you’re traveling pretty much close to the speed of light, like 99.9% of the speed of light, you’re experiencing time differently. So for example, if you were to go to the star Andromeda or whatever and you’re traveling at 99.9% the speed of light, you experience what’s called time dilation. So you experience time differently than the rest of humanity. So for you, maybe a couple years pass.

This also ties in with the theory of relativity, because your experience of time is relative to your situation. It’s relative to you and where you’re at. So if I’m traveling the speed of light and you’re just back on Earth, maybe for me it’s been like five years and I travel 15 light years, but for Earth it’s been like millions of years. That’s the concept of time dilation. It’s always been hard for me to understand how the hell it’s millions of years. That’s why I say this episode is going to get weird. Well, the thing is, we view time as a constant. Time isn’t a constant. Hold on, before we get into it, I have a whole section already. I have a section of us making sure we understand Einstein’s theory of relativity. And I think that’s where you should jump in and go, okay, let’s really unpack this. What is it? By the end of this episode, I want us to make sure we fully know what Einstein’s theory of relativity is. Of course. And all our listeners.

So back on the ancient concepts of time, these were not scientific visions of time travel, but spiritual. So this is the person meditating and going, I can go. And then it would be almost like I’m sitting there meditating on the river and then six days later Jorge comes up and goes, hey, how’s it going Eric? And Eric’s like, it’s been minutes. And then I come back and I’m like, I’ve been gone for 500 years. I think that guy was just trying to get a little more clout with his belief system. But again, it kind of goes back to, are they having a spiritual moment with their own spirit? I thought you were going to go down the route of what we talked about in the other episode, remote viewing. No, it’s very similar. It sounds like quackery now, but back then it was like going and doing meditation, and going, I’m finding I don’t know. Anyways, do some yoga and you come back 500 years later. Downward dog pose. It’s been 500 years.

It wasn’t until 1895 that someone boldly proposed a physical, mechanical way to travel through time. That was somebody by the name of HG Wells, whose novel The Time Machine gave the world its first vivid picture of time as a road and a machine as the vehicle. His time traveler journeys into a distant future where humanity has split into two species, reflecting his own social commentary. So Wells didn’t invent the idea of time skipping, but he gave it a structure in 1895, where he was like, this is how it goes from beginning to end. And so that was the first time that society thought it was plausible, that there’s a road back to the future. Sean’s literally rubbing his head the whole time. He makes it sound so easy. It’s like it’s a road, and then we do get into Einstein’s revolution of theory.

So in the realm of real science, time travel took a giant leap in 1905 with Albert Einstein’s special relativity. He demonstrated that time is not fixed. It slows down for objects moving close to the speed of light. Exactly what I was saying. This was experimentally confirmed and is now part of GPS satellite calibration. A decade later in 1915, his general theory of relativity showed that massive objects like stars and black holes warp spacetime. This meant that gravity can slow time. The implication, in theory, someone orbiting near a black hole could return to Earth having aged less than everyone else, effectively traveling into the future even if it’s in a minuscule way. I feel like I’m watching Interstellar all over again.

No, because that’s the concept. We live on Earth, and there’s so much significance placed on time. How do you define time? Well, the way we define time, in essence you can consider it like your decomposition from birth and going through life. I was thinking simpler, just sun up, sun down. No, but what is it though? Let’s define it. It’s the movement of objects. Movement of objects through space. That’s how we measure it. Like our watch is how much movement of the sun or the moon. And what’s Sean taking a dump in the morning? It’s movement of things, right? Us orbiting the sun, traveling through space. The motion through space is time.

So what would then be the theory of relativity in layman’s terms? Let’s just chat it out. How do we define it so that anybody listening can go, I now know what the theory of relativity is. Somebody like me, break it down, Sean. Well, okay, so we equate time through motion. But Einstein was proposing that time is not some fixed, immovable, unchangeable thing. You can in essence warp time by going super fast or via gravity. So like an analogy, if you’re at work and you’re busy working and all of a sudden you look up and you’re like, how did the whole day go by? Because you’re moving, you’re busy. Or is it just that you’re not thinking about it? Well, in that example it’s just you’re not thinking about it. In terms of what he is saying, it’s like what your body experiences and what you experience can change based on your relative position in space.

A black hole has the ability to warp time and space. If you’re near a black hole, what you perceive as time passed is different than what’s being perceived and acted upon by others in other places. That’s the relativity. That’s why it’s relative. It’s relative to the factors that you’re in. So it’s like I’m over here by this black hole and Eric’s at his house and Jorge’s in another star system on a different planet. We’re all experiencing time differently. It’s relative to where you are and what you’re experiencing. It’s not all the same. It’s not constant.

And here’s the crux of it. It’s based on the speed of the particles. And this blew my mind, which was that the speed of the things moving around him determines his time. But if yours is slower, that determines your time. So if I’m on another planet and nothing’s going on and it’s super slow, maybe the sun comes up and down super slow. That’s relative. Time is not going as fast for you. Now this is minuscule measurements of it. And that’s the concept of maybe people in the space station who have different gravity, where their items are moving different than ours. So they may come back from the space station and be six seconds younger than we are. Well, also they’re going around the Earth at like a thousand miles an hour, some crazy thing. So that’s the idea, these different speeds, because remember we defined it at the beginning. What is time? It’s the movement of objects, motion through space.

So I’ll put it to you this way. This is a very easy concept. Let’s say you’re in a car and you have to travel a million miles. How long is that going to take you to go? And you’re just like, oh my god, 50 miles an hour, I don’t know. It’s going to take you an extraordinarily long time. If I’m going the speed of light, it’s going to take me like that. So I have traveled the same exact distance as you, but in such a microbe. It’s a really stupid example, but think of it like that. It’s the speed of your motion within the motion. You experience the time, it’s just the experience is different. So therefore your body isn’t aging. It’s weird. No, that makes sense. That makes sense to explain.

But at the same time, okay, we’re traveling the same distance. The reason that it’s shorter for me is because I’m going faster, but we’re going the same distance. But that was just a stupid example. But also your body may have aged differently. So then our perception of time is based on age. So then we go, oh, he’s older, so time has passed. But not really, because it’s perception. You’re perceiving time like, oh man, it’s only been a week. What is reality? Reality is what you perceive. That is your reality. It’s the truth. High noon is right in front of me. Because we all agree that it’s there. You see it. We’ve agreed that this exists. So what you perceive is happening, that’s where it gets super mind-fucked, because relativity is based on what you’re perceiving is happening.

I have the great example. My theory is that if you go there a year and then you come back, and like he said, you’re going thousands of miles an hour and you’re in a different gravity, it has been proven that they have aged in a different timeline than we have. It might be five minutes, but it’s still measured and it’s still able to be measured. Like, imagine you freeze a steak. The steak does not age, because the particles are moving so slow. Obviously everything is made of atoms, everything’s vibrating, everything’s moving. So if you freeze something, it’s slowing its decay. It’s actually in essence slowing its time down. So its perception of time is now slowed, but it still lived through the same time. That’s right. But it’s relative to us. No, but that’s where relativity comes into play.

We haven’t made the technology where we can put ourselves in a cryogenic chamber. So just imagine the same concept. You’ve slowed the atoms down so much that that steak now is experiencing time differently than a regular steak that’s sitting at room temp. Within a week the other one is rotten. Now that frozen one, three months from now, is going to be good. That makes sense, because even though it’s going through the same time period that we are, but relative. See, it’s relative. If I’m traveling at the speed of light, the same amount of time has passed. It’s not like this time didn’t pass for me, it’s just I only experienced four years. You experienced a million years. The same amount of time has still passed. It still happened. The same amount of time has occurred, but you’ve experienced less because you’re moving faster.

And so what I’ve gathered from this is that we’ve proven it, but only in a minuscule way. We haven’t been able to prove it at scale. But if it’s possible in that degree, why not scale it up? That’s the concept. If it’s been proven, then the law can be scaled up to humans. There you go. Or scaled up to where you go out for 10 years and then he didn’t age a day but I’m old as hell, I lost my hair. We can see where he’s stuck. What time period? Just go back to when I had hair. I’m not getting a transplant, I’m traveling in time. I’m scalping myself. Now it makes sense why he wanted to do this. I’m not going to Turkey, I’m time traveling.

So do we feel like we have a basic understanding? It’s relative to your own experience. The same amount of time goes by, but your personal experience and effect on you is less or greater. That’s right. And by the way, we just saved everybody $100,000 at a community college for two years in theoretical physics. You’re welcome. So join our Patreon. I think this calls for a rich guy.

So now we fast forward a little bit, into the 1940s. Kurt Godel, German suspect. Anytime I hear the 40s and German, I’m like, paperclip. He discovered a solution to Einstein’s equations that allowed for a rotating universe, one where time travel to the past was theoretically possible via closed timelike curves. Other physicists called them wormholes, or Einstein-Rosen bridges, which might connect two different points in space and time. But I thought an Einstein-Rosen bridge wasn’t necessarily time travel. It was just travel through spacetime into a different point in space. I didn’t think an Einstein-Rosen bridge was time travel, just a wormhole. It was travel to a different point in space instantly if you fold spacetime and you just go through it. I could be wrong. It’s debatable. No, you’re right. It’s relative. It’s your interpretation of this, because the Rosen bridge didn’t talk about time travel, it was about what you’re saying. You fold space and time like this and then you go. Same thing in the concept of what we’re talking about, which is time travel. Technically it would have taken you this long to get there, but I’ve traveled through time. I feel like they did a Star Trek episode of this where they folded time and then they bubbled it through. Or is it Interstellar? No, not Interstellar. Interstellar did time travel. He was in the fourth dimension. He went through a black hole, not a wormhole.

So these ideas require what’s called exotic matter with negative energy, something never actually observed. So there’s an element of this theory that has never been seen, but it’s like you plug in a piece of the puzzle. Say you’re trying to prove a theory and you’re like, this makes it work, I’m going to plug this puppy in. I like it. Looks good, boys. But ever since then, that math hasn’t been ruled out. So it’s still possible. Yeah. In the grand scheme, anything’s possible. Can’t rule it out. That’s why it’s theoretical. It hasn’t been proven wrong. That’s why we’re here. That’s probably why they created theoretical physics. They’re like, I’ll never be out of a job. No one can ever actually prove this wrong. It’s impossible. And I sound super smart, right?

So meanwhile, at the same time, fiction flourished. They went nuts with this. Terminator, Ray Bradbury, Isaac Asimov, countless others. They explored paradoxes in their writings, cosmic puzzles, including time travel. Science and storytelling at this point in time blurred together. It’s what gets the juices flowing. You’re like, what the hell is going on. Now as far as in pop culture, the next thing that happened in time travel actually fast forwards into the early 80s, with Back to the Future, the classic Terminator, 12 Monkeys, Donnie Darko, Interstellar. Even Tenet is super complex. Remember me and Jorge saw that and we sat in the parking lot for like 40 minutes, like what the hell just happened. Can we walk back in there and watch it one more time? I think I’ve watched that one at least four times and I still don’t fully understand it. Seriously. I understand it now.

So this is the blurring of actual physics and science fiction. So today this is kind of what physicists still toy with, which is time dilation. It remains observable, and we’ve sent atomic clocks into orbit and seen them tick slightly slower than the identical ones on Earth. And astronauts do age a tiny bit less than the rest of us. So they are experiencing it, it’s proven that they’re experiencing it differently. And I’m not saying it’s massive. Well, that’s why, in order to get true time dilation, you have to be going pretty much near the speed of light. Can you imagine? It’s like the new ageless thing. Just go speed of light, black hole, you’re going to be young for years. Seven years younger and you come back. It’s $12 million. The thing is, you don’t age in reverse, you just age slower because you’re experiencing it. Benjamin Button. And so in reality, what are you doing? You’re just missing out on the time that’s passed. People think you’re slowing, but you’re just experiencing your own different timeline. For you it’s only been two years, but to everyone else it’s been like a million. So it’s not like you’re slowing, it’s just you experience relativity.

So we’ve proven that there is a small amount of aging that occurs when an astronaut comes back. It’s proven. Even if it was a couple seconds or a couple minutes, five minutes, ten minutes, a year, whatever. So then there’s also black holes, neutron stars, these are all different environments where time slows drastically because of the gravity. So if we’ve already established that gravity manipulates time, then these black holes and neutron stars could in fact slow it even more. I think because you don’t move as much because there’s more gravity. Is that what we’re saying? It’s the speed.

One of the things I’ve brought up numerous times, and it’s my theory about UFOs, is how gravity propulsion is probably the fastest thing there is. Because in order to reasonably travel through the cosmos, the speed of light is slow. We can’t even get to the Milky Way galaxies, hundreds of millions of light years. We can’t even get to Pluto, it’s like 38 years. Light years? No, our years. But that’s just the last planet in our solar system. Meaning we can’t get to galaxies that are far away. Even if you’re traveling the speed of light, which is our theoretical fastest speed that exists, in order to traverse the universe and actually cosmically travel, it’s impossible. It’s not feasible. So I always thought there was something faster. Light can’t escape a black hole, therefore the gravity is pulling faster than light is traveling. So the pull is actually faster. But we haven’t been there. Theoretical, once again. True.

I think they’re able to prove that light can’t escape a black hole probably just from shooting light. Well, looking at stars, how would you experiment that? You just see a void, and maybe you’re looking from a different angle, like okay, well there’s light, there’s a star right there, but maybe from this angle it’s a void of space. I wonder how much physicists get paid. Probably not enough. There might be some DOGE cuts coming. Those boys about to get nine. You start making stuff up. Like, hear me out, if I drink 18 Stellas, my time dilation, I experience less time. Trust me, I’m a podcaster. This is my last podcast, guys. I’m sorry. I am now the theoretical wormhole guy. That would be rad.

So as far as going back in time though, there’s laws of causality, the grandfather paradox, these are all different theories. The idea is that it’s possible the laws just forbid it. Now, there is one other theory, and I know we’re going to get into the comic book land of craziness, but it’s the concept of multiverse. So that’s the only plausible way time travel could exist. Wait, I’m not too sure what multiverse is. Break that down. He’s saying like multiple time streams. Which I hate. If time travel was possible, that’s the only way it works, because you change it. Let’s say you go back in time and you move one pebble, everything changes. Completely new time stream. In short, it’s a fork in the road. It’s like a mirror image. So do you time travel, or do you just jump? Maybe you’re just jumping dimensions, and then it’s a different team, and it’s a different Jorge. That’s the multiverse. There’s an infinite amount of universes.

Now let me just say, I would be so depressed if there’s another me. What does that do to my identity? Well, it’s not really you, though. So it’s not his consciousness, therefore it’s not me. Even if there was, maybe he’s got ice blue eyes and bald as hell, huge dude, huge wiener. But you know, got the same edge. What if he’s like you but small, like a baby? Eric’s like in Interstellar, he’s in the bookcase, crying, sucking the four damage. God damn it. And I’m going to go over into the whole Marvel world for a second, but I think it ruined Marvel, the multiverse. No, you’re crazy. It’s the laziest writing that exists on the planet, because everybody comes back. Nothing matters anymore. That’s not true. Sean’s the biggest Marvel fan. You need to watch Loki. Did you watch Loki? Did that ruin it? It’s spectacular. All of a sudden everybody’s coming back in their different worlds and it’s just lazy ass writing. I’m DC. Oh my god, what the hell, Jorge? What do they teach you in Eagle Creek? I do like Batman. I like old Batman. Superman’s too OP. You’re going to see the new ones though. The trailer looks great with a dog. I don’t understand the super dog. No, that’s in the comics. They’re playing to the cute little dog. If I show that to my daughter she’ll be like, we got to see it. So they got like 30% more demo. How do we bump these numbers? It’s all a business. It is a business.

Anyway, so that’s the multiverse. I don’t subscribe to it at all, where there’s a parallel timeline. But I think there’s a version of it. I think that does exist for sure. Even without time travel, I think it exists. What? But how? There’s literally another podcast of Sean and Eric just going and living their life. Listen, Eric, it doesn’t have to be an exact perfect mirror. It’s a vague reflection. It doesn’t even have to be the same. It’s just another timeline that, butterfly effect, something happened that leads to different events. Imagine a world where you made different choices in life. But those were choices. No, imagine an image of that in a parallel universe, where not you but someone, a thing that looks like you that is a different consciousness, that was on the same path. How is it that hard? The same planet, or are we talking a different planet? Technically in a different alternate universe it could be the same planet. It’s a completely separate universe.

I’m almost there. You just said I’m almost 16. So what about the negative things in your life? Yeah, they happen in that timeline. I’m not saying it’s the exact same, but think of the most messed up thing that’s happened in your life. Did that happen in that other timeline? How can I know that, Eric? That’s an impossibility. It’s not a duplicate. It’s not the exact same. You’re living the exact same life. So why would it be any similar? What gives it any similarity? Imagine it’s just a similar body. Why? Why anything, Eric? Why are there black holes, Eric? What’s the purpose? Explain it to me now. Why is there literally a void in space that sucks in everything? It’s so farfetched. A black hole is measurable. There is no evidence of an alternate timeline that is mimicking you. You’re stuck on this whole thing of it being you. It’s not you and a duplicate. So you’re just talking about an alternate universe. It has nothing to do with me. No, it has nothing to do with you at all.

But what we see in cinema is the same thing, right? Spider-Man, there’s like four of you. I’ll give you a good movie example that did a pretty good job on it. It’s a shitty action movie but I loved it. It’s Jet Li, The One. So his main character is this evil dude and he’s literally traveling through the multiverse killing all the alternate versions of himself, but they’re all dramatically, crazily different. There’s a dude who’s like a gay dancer, and then he’s a fireman, and it’s not him, it’s a different person. But there was a starting point of when they were the same. No, no, that’s what I don’t like. That’s the problem. That’s why you’re getting confused. Imagine there’s an alternate universe and it’s not you, but it looks like you, but it’s not you. Why? How did it start? At a certain point in time it was like, hey, I’m Sean and I look like me and I decided not to move to Florida and I went my own path.

How did you get through high school? Like literally how the hell did you get through? Anybody, if the square root of this is this, but why is the square root of 93. It’s hard. It’s not crazy. It’s not proven. Obviously there’s no way to prove it. I think it’s possible. You think there’s an Eric guy with a full head of hair just living the dream, and I’m like, how do we convince him? It’s not possible. I’m back to square one. No, I’m just saying it’s a possibility. Obviously there’s no way to prove it. Maybe a trillion years from now we’re like, yeah, we found a new dimension. But that’s the thing about theoretical stuff, in my mind anything’s possible. So anything could be true. There’s no way to disprove it. There is a way to disprove it. This is the concept of science. You cannot disprove this theory, Eric. I will give you a million dollars if you can disprove that there’s an alternate universe. You cannot do it. I’m going to put my dissertation into the Harvard Law Newsletter. Why the law newsletter? Harvard science newsletter. You can’t disprove it. That’s why it’s theory. You know what a theory is, right? Someone putting something out that they don’t know if it’s true or not, and they say it very confidently and then everybody starts believing it. Ultra confident.

So let’s move on to the people who maybe don’t believe in this. I don’t necessarily believe in time travel, but I believe in the potentiality of alternate universes. So time travel remains tantalizing. It’s a bit of a mix between science and speculation. Some scientists, like our old friend Stephen Hawking, proposed ideas that were called the chronology protection conjecture. What the hell? Write that down. That’s what Stephen Hawking called it. He’s like, this makes it as confusing as possible. Say it one more time. Chronology protection conjecture. This was Hawking’s theory, the idea that the laws of the universe actually protect time travel from being altered. So he believed that the laws of the universe protected time travel from existing at all. They just inhibited it from being possible. So there’s no way to alter the past. Perfectly placed the thunder in there. The idea he proposed was that laws of science and/or physics made it so Jorge couldn’t change what he did in 2008. There’s no way to go back and change the choice you made. I’m just throwing out 2008 as a legit pivotal moment in life.

So he supposes that the laws protect history. Look, I fully believe that you cannot go back in time, so I agree with him on that point. But can you go to the future? No, I don’t think you can actually time travel. I think the concept of time travel is arbitrary. Technically if I were to travel at the speed of light and then come back around, oh, I’m in the future, so technically I have time traveled because I’ve only aged five years but they’ve aged a million. So in that sense it’s kind of a technicality. It’s time travel, but I don’t think you can just jump. It’s super boring. It’s not like Back to the Future. But one of my issues with his comment is this whole concept of the laws of the universe. We base the laws of the universe on what we can perceive right now on Earth, in our solar system. I think the laws change once you get down to this massive cosmos that we have. I don’t think we fully understand all of the laws. We have certain laws on this planet. If we go out to some other galaxy, maybe the laws are different. There’s no way to know. They’re only laws because it’s what we’ve been able to prove on Earth. Go to a galaxy that’s 200 million light years away, maybe shit’s different there. I have no idea.

How conceited are we that we’re like, we know the laws of the universe, and meanwhile we’re literally a grain of sand on a galaxy-wide planet. That’s how big we are in the universe. We’re nothing. So how are you that conceited, I know the laws? If the concept of what we believe of gravity is Earth, we’ve only measured Earth gravity, and if gravity we know changes time, then I get that. We’re only measuring Earth gravity and what it does to time. I’ll give you an example. One of the laws they’ve established is that life can only be present with water. That’s a law. Who’s to say that’s it? How do you know that across the entire universe? That’s a law of our planet. His point is the laws disprove this, but our concept is only limited to this. It’s the classic human, we know everything. Classic human problems. How can you possibly say without a shadow of a doubt that life cannot exist? That’s why when they’re looking at these planets, oh, life can’t exist there, well okay, we can’t exist there. We are meat bodies, we definitely can’t exist there. But who’s to say that other life couldn’t? That’s my point. That makes sense. I can get behind that.

Okay, so now I have a bunch of stories of time travel. I couldn’t have scripted that. That is not an audio insert, that is like real life. So just hear me out, because we’re going to go through these stories and these are people who say they had time travel, that they personally time traveled. These are the time travelers. And it’s so easy to relate this to the remote viewers. Trust me, I saw it.

So this is called the green children of Woolpit. This is in England in the 1100s. The sleepy English village of Woolpit became home to a bizarre mystery. Two young children, a boy and a girl, were found near a wolf pit, dazed, confused, and speaking a language that nobody understood. Most shocking of all, their skin had a greenish tint, like it was stained. The children refused to eat any local food until they saw raw broad beans, which they consumed ravenously. Over time their skin lost the green color and they began to learn English. Tragically, the boy died shortly after. Now the girl, now fluent, claimed that they came from a place called St. Martin’s Land, which existed in a twilight state with no sun, only dim dusk light. She said they got lost while tending to their father’s cattle and somehow emerged there. Historians have proposed explanations from chlorosis, which is an iron deficiency, to Flemish immigrants displaced by war. But some say the tale is of interdimensional or time displacement. If she was telling the truth, they came from a place or a time that does not exist on maps.

See, that could be explained. I believe that our spirit, or whatever, doesn’t die. I originally got that from Einstein’s theory that energy can’t be created or destroyed. Therefore the life force that’s powering us can’t be destroyed or created, so it’s got to go somewhere. You’re talking about if the spirit is an energy. If the spirit was energy, based on that it exists forever. I think it persists forever, and I call that the soul. So I don’t subscribe to the one life theory. I think we might have multiple lives. So maybe these kids might have had some sort of remembrance or flashback to some other life they might have lived, and that’s where they’re like, interesting. Maybe that’s how you can get some sort of memory. That’s my attempt at an explanation on that particular case.

So another story is Rudolph Fentz, and this is the 1950s. In one of New York’s most enduring urban legends, a man dressed in Victorian-era clothing reportedly appeared in the middle of Times Square in 1950. He looked confused and disoriented. Within moments he was struck and killed by a car. When authorities examined his body they found strange items. They found 19th century currency in mint condition, which is worth like hella dough. A letter dated 1876, business cards bearing the name Rudolph Fentz, and a token for a saloon that had been closed three decades earlier. The most unsettling clue came when police searched missing persons archives and discovered that a man named Rudolph Fentz vanished without a trace in 1876. But okay, he vanished in 1876, but then he had a token for a saloon that was closed in like the 1920s. It’s confusing. For years that’s when it closed, that doesn’t mean it could have been open in 76. Good point. For years the story was believed to be real and was included in paranormal books and time travel discussions. Eventually researchers traced the origin of the tale to a 1951 science fiction short story. Of course. But also people in New York are pretty eccentric. They do some weird stuff. So by then the story had already become part of the cult legend.

So there you go. There’s the Chaplin time traveler. In the DVD extras of the 1928 Charlie Chaplin film The Circus, they had DVDs in 28? That DVD commentary with Charlie Chaplin. Director George Clarke discovered a brief clip that launched a digital firestorm. In footage from the film’s premiere at the Chinese theater, a woman is seen walking alone, holding an object to her ear and appearing to be speaking to it like a phone. Her casual manner, the way she pauses and smiles as if she’s listening to somebody respond. This is 1928. There are no cell phones. Were there like hand radios back then? I don’t know. Theories exploded online. Some claimed it was an early hearing aid, but the device appears too compact, the behavior too modern. The footage itself is authentic and unedited. If it was just coincidence, it’s incredibly eerie, in the fact that this is not possible for another 60 years. I don’t know about that. Maybe she was a skeptic. Trust me, I want to believe, but when it comes to time travel it’s hard to believe because it’s going back in time. You only subscribe to forward in time. I like that theory. Not the back in time. It’s too paradoxical.

Because the thing is, can she be from the past? She can’t, because it was cell phones. Here’s why, I’m going to give you why. Imagine she goes, you go back in time. Eric goes back in time. And because he’s now back in time, you’re changing things. How could you have then been born in that same timeline to then go back in time? That’s the paradox. You go back, then how could you possibly then be born to then go back? It doesn’t make sense. It’s impossible because you’ve already changed everything. Spielberg, you messed us up. Because he’s transporting his current body. It’s not like he’s going back just in the timeline and then boom, he appears as Eric as his normal self back 20 years ago. No, current Eric now somehow goes back in time. How do you even do that? How do you put all these atoms in motion to go back? But imagine he does. He goes back and he changes things. Who’s to say that his parents still later in time meet up together and make him so that he goes back in time? I didn’t change that. But you don’t know what you change. You change everything. You go back and you do anything, you change everything.

Whatever we’re doing right now is not going to change anything across the world right now with what gamers Dave’s deciding over there. It’s not changing anything. You don’t understand the butterfly effect. You could change one thing. Let’s say you kick a rock into the street, and because you kick that rock a car crashes, and then those people don’t get born, and then they don’t do their jobs. It’s a ripple effect. I could change one thing and that last cigarette could be a huge thing that he goes back and invents Rogaine back in the 40s. Unbelievable. 40% of males have it. And then he becomes a billionaire in the 40s because he solved it. But see, that’s why time travel is a paradox, because how do you then get born to then travel back? Okay, but what if Eric just goes back and just has a beer at a saloon and then dips and comes back? But you don’t know what that would change. That would not change anything. Who are you having a beer with? And maybe because the bartender talked to him to get his beer order, he then didn’t do one thing that he was going to do. It’s impossible to say that you can’t change anything. Imagine your life if you changed one thing. I agree with what you’re saying, but if he didn’t do anything major. You’re talking about him just being there is going to change things. You’re talking about messing up the timeline. The thing you don’t understand is that you don’t need a major event to change the timeline. One little detail can change the whole track. 80 years, you change one event.

That’s why I think Tenet did a good job of it, because it loops. It loops back to him, and himself recruited homeboy to recruit himself. It’s a loop. So it actually closed the loop on the paradox. So let me tell you the next one. According to one of the most disturbing conspiracy theories in naval history, the US Navy allegedly conducted an experiment in 1943 to make the USS Eldridge invisible to radar and accidentally teleported it. I’ve heard this theory. Witnesses claimed the ship disappeared in a greenish haze from the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, reappeared in Virginia, and then returned. Crew members were said to have gone insane, or worse, become fused into the bulkheads of the ship. Their bodies were partially merged with metal, per witnesses. The tale first emerged in letters from Carl Allen in the 1950s and was further popularized in books and films into fiction. The Navy denies anything of this sort happening. Of course, nothing happened, but it remains a foundational myth in time travel lore. But see, that’s not really time travel, that’s a space transport. And is transport the same as time travel? No. Time travel is actually moving on the time stream, as opposed to transport. That’s why I was saying with the wormholes, with the Einstein-Rosen bridge, it’s not necessarily time travel, it’s just traveling into a different space instantly. So a teleport isn’t time travel, you’re teleporting. That was aliens for sure. I don’t have an explanation for you, it’s kind of weird. Those journals, like they’re hopped up and about to die and they’re like, let’s just write some crazy stuff. Historians are going to be messed up about this for years. I’m DB Cooper. Exact same thing.

Okay, another story, and this is from Tokyo, 1954. A sharply dressed man arrived at Tokyo’s Haneda airport in 1954 claiming to be from the country of Taured, a nation that did not and does not exist. When immigration officials showed him a map, he became agitated and insisted that Taured had been on the border of France and Spain for a thousand years. Even stranger, his passport was filled with stamps from real countries, including past entries into Japan. He had matched company papers, checks, and a driver’s license from Taured. So he had the papers from this. Authorities, baffled, detained him overnight in a guarded hotel room. By morning, both the man and his documentation were gone. This is pretty wild. Apparently there was a guard, the door never opened, and there was no way to escape. It goes into either spy lore, time travel lore, or it’s interdimensional travel lore. To me that’s more like an interdimensional thing, which I could get behind. I’m having a hard time getting behind time travel, but interdimensional travel, now we’re talking.

Another story, in the 60s a Benedictine monk named Father Pellegrino Ernetti claimed that he helped invent a device that could view the past but not travel there. Like a television, that you can view the past? Oh, I’m just going to view all my past fuckups. He named it the Chronovisor. I’ve heard about this. Isn’t this supposedly in the Vatican archives? Yes, correct. It allegedly used electromagnetic radiation to pick up residual energy from the past. Ernetti claimed that he had witnessed scenes from ancient Rome, as well as he was there for the crucifixion of Christ. But how do you dial it into the time though? You’re like, let’s go, turn to channel 23. Later he shared a grainy photo that he took of Jesus on the cross. No way. Yeah, it’s on our Instagram. Skeptics debunked the image as a known sculpture, and on his deathbed Ernetti wrote that he made it all up. Of course he did. But again, by that time it was too late because it hit all the streams. The legend once again hit all the socials.

Another one, now that we’re getting closer to the present. In November of 2000, a user online calling himself John Titor began posting on message boards claiming that he was a soldier from the year 2036. He was sent back to 1975 to retrieve an IBM 5100 computer. The mission was simple. The IBM contained unique legacy code compatibility that would be vital in preventing a 2038 Unix bug crisis. And he spoke of a civil war in America followed by a nuclear conflict, and posted the schematics of his time machine, which he said was installed in a 1967 Chevy and powered by miniature black holes. The way he said it was calm, and his knowledge of computers made it seem credible. Skeptics pointed to inconsistencies in his timeline predictions, but no one ever identified who he was. And it’s like the 4chan, I’m posting stuff. This makes me actually think about, I think it was a mini that we did, on the Mandela effect. And how with CERN, the particle collider, they’re making little miniature antimatter, minor black holes so to speak, and how maybe we shifted into a different time stream, where it’s like we’re still us but we were moved into a different zone where things were just kind of slightly different.

So in another story, in what began as a short story and quickly spiraled into an urban legend, a man named Andrew Carlson was allegedly arrested by the SEC for making 126 perfectly timed stock trades. I’ve heard of this. He turned supposedly $800 into 300 million. Oh my god. It’s like my wet dream. During interrogation, he claimed to be from the year 2256, having traveled back in time to take advantage of known market outcomes. He offered to trade his knowledge of future cures and political events for leniency in his arrest. But why was he arrested? He was too good. The story was later traced to a fictional article in the Weekly World News. It spread like wildfire and then it became part of the conspiracy world of time. The concept being that if time travel ever did exist, the first thing one would do is go back in time and get rich. Get rich as hell. Do a little Biff bag. The stock, the sports all the way. I made a 79% parlay. I turned one cent into $10 million.

Next story is the time-traveling hipster. In a black and white photo taken during the 1941 reopening of the South Fork Bridge in British Columbia, a crowd gathers in typical 1940s fashion, in suits, hats, and vintage cameras, where they’re holding them like this. But one man stood out. He was wearing modern sunglasses, little Ray-Bans, a zippered hoodie, a printed t-shirt, and is holding a portable camera unlike any seen at a Nirvana shirt. He looks completely at ease and smiling, and visiting from a different time altogether. The photo is real, no editing was found. Explanations have been proposed, but nobody positively identified the man and he continues to this day to be an enigma, in what is considered a hipster captured in the 40s. What if he was just the black sheep of the family? He’s just like, I don’t like suits, bro, I want to wear a hoodie, I’m cold. That’s a famous one. You see him on TikTok and they’re like, this dude’s wearing a hoodie and Ray-Bans and it’s literally 1941. I wish it was like he’s wearing an Apple watch or he’s got a boombox and it’s the 1920s and he’s like, yeah, what’s up.

And then the last story that I have here is a guy named Andrew Basiago, and he’s a lawyer and a self-declared government whistleblower, and he claimed to be part of something called Project Pegasus. That was a 1970s US government program using Tesla-based teleportation and time travel. Nikola Tesla. He claimed that he traveled to Gettysburg, and then he claimed he traveled to Mars, and then he claimed to travel to meet young Barack Obama and train him for future leadership. This guy is so full of it. And then later internet sleuths unearthed an 1890s book by Ingersoll Lockwood featuring a character named Baron Trump. Oh yeah. A boy who travels through time guided by his mentor named Don. He lives in a place called Trump Castle in New York. And the eerie overlap of modern politics has fueled the fire. Literally lit it on fire. It couldn’t have fueled it more. But again, the question is, was it a coincidence? It’s even more coincidence.

Have you guys heard about the story of Modern Warfare 2? Oh, I did see that. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 came out in 2012. Long ass time ago. What year is it right now? Time travel. In this video game, basically how it works is there’s stories that you play, the story mode. This is more like the episode where we did predictions than time travel, but it could fit. It could fit coincidence, right? So check this out. In the story in the video game, China and the US are in a Cold War, and China had said that they were not going to export any more rare minerals. And they’re in the war. And this takes place in 2025. So it’s just crazy. So 10 years ahead. And literally, China this week announced that they were not exporting any minerals. That’s just random. It’s got to be just random. Super random. But that’s the thing, it’s like super coincidence, or is it time travel? Let’s take the Simpsons, because we did an episode on the Simpsons. It was like, are they just always telling stories and then eventually they’re just right? Even a clock is right twice a day. Some of their things are so specific though that it’s wild. But maybe they just have such a good pulse on society. Like, okay, if this were to happen, this is how it would happen. If Trump were to win, he would obviously be at Trump Tower, probably wearing a suit that he typically wears. The interesting exercise is going, what did they get wrong? Because then you can compare what they got right. They probably have a thousand episodes or more. And they got right what, maybe 12 things.

All right, so time travel. This is our information. What’s interesting is that a lot of your stories were time travel back in time. I don’t think I heard one going future forward. There was that one in New York, the guy with the coin, he was from the past, so I take that back, but there was only one. Well, obviously you wouldn’t have the technology to travel from the past to the future. Good point. So most of them would be, to provide some sort of structure, I have two questions. One, do you think time travel exists or is a possibility? And two, if you could, what would you do with it? Go for it.

So I’m going to have to go with no. It doesn’t exist, and it has never existed. It’s not possible to go back in time. And then going forward in time, but to your point, what technology do we really have from the past that would allow you to go? But going forward in time is not really even going forward in time the way we’re thinking of time travel, where you’re just like, oh I’m going to go to this time, bing. It’s relativity forward in time. I’m traveling and for me it’s like it hasn’t been that long, but for the rest of the universe it’s been x amount of time. So it’s not technically, I mean it’s possible, technicality, but even then there’s no technology to really even execute on that. So then it’s not possible, so the answer is no.

So you won’t even go to the next question? We’ll do the next question. Let me think about it. Let me have Sean answer the first question. For everyone first, and then we’ll go back. So no, just no. There’s too many. It’s over. Whatever happened in the past is over. True. But even if the technology would exist, the universe would implode. It would just mess everything up. Imagine if time travel was a thing, like we invented it, everyone starts. Imagine it was real for everybody, like everybody can have an iPhone, everybody can time travel and we did it. Dude, it would be bonkers. In that case, you would be sitting there one day and all of a sudden you’re unemployed. You’re like, what the hell happened? How did this just happen to me? 100% tariffs. What’s going on? I kind of feel like this is happening now. No, but it’s like you’re in your house, man I did well, I’m in a nice house, my nice family, and all of a sudden you’re a crackhead, and you’re like, how did this change?

If it was a thing, we think of time as a line, time as being linear, like you’re moving on a road, a straight line, and that’s all it is. But if time travel was a thing, and that’s why I still hold out a little bit of like maybe it’s possible, there would be many lines. It would be a spiderweb of things, because if you can travel on a thing called time, which we view as linear, I don’t think time is actually linear. I think it’s much more complex than a straight line. And the reason I think that is because of time dilation. It’s because of relativity, that it’s not as A to B. So can someone theoretically go to a different point on this thing and their experience is different from our experience? To me, I don’t think it’s real, but is it probable or possible? Maybe. On that same line of relativity, whatever we consider to be the year 2025, it could easily be 2035, I don’t know. What the hell is time even? That’s the perception. So there’s really no time, there’s no past, there’s no future, right? Like I always say, there’s only the now. And so then how can you even travel in time if there is no past, there is no future?

Well, I think I actually brought this up in a previous episode, that I do believe you can travel to the past. You know why? Close your eyes and think of a great moment in your life. You travel to the past and you experience it. That’s kind of a copout though. But is it? You can travel back to your time. You can remember it. No, you can experience that. You can remember time. That’s a good way to say it. But how is that an experience? You remember something, it has a physical impact on your life. So how is that not time travel? You’re experiencing a past event. Like if I think back to when my daughter was born, I get emotional and it’s powerful and it’s affecting me right now. Therefore I’m experiencing the past. That’s the only way to time travel back. That’s the only way to think back and you can experience a moment that happened before, but you can’t actually physically go back to it.

And not to get deep, but like, my mom’s gone, and I go back to experience with her. And is that going back to then? For you it is. Yes. Because she’s not here presently. Relativity. So for you you’re going back. So if I go back and I’m like, hey, that time that she did a thing, and we experienced life together, well you’re experiencing it. So is that the reality of now? Back to relativity. I’m not trying to get all weird, but. No, it’s not weird at all. I think it’s a great point, because in the present it’s not there. But who can actually tell you that’s not real? You’re experiencing it. If I experience something that no one else experienced, are you going to tell me that it’s not real because you didn’t experience it? How can it not be real for me? It’s an interesting concept, where you can go, I’m going to go back. And maybe it’s like, I don’t want to hang out with you guys right now because I’m going to go back right now. And I don’t know if that’s meditation. So maybe that’s what happened to those old school monks. They were like, damn, I went back, and they were like, it’s been 500 years.

And I do question, how do you do that, go back in time like that? In order to do that, do you have to sit there? No, dude, it happens instantly. It could be momentary. You space out and you’re 20 years ago and then you come back and you’re like, oh shit. And it’s a different view when you’ve lost somebody. Because it’s not in present day, it’s not there anymore. And I’m talking about my mom. I’ll say it out there. She died a year and a half ago and it was like, how do I go back to it? Do I just sit there? You know what I mean? I don’t know the answer. You just, to Sean’s point, you literally can go back to a moment, several moments, a time period, where if you really sit there and think about it, you start to remember how did it smell, the emotions, how did it feel, how did it sound.

Good example, when my dad, maybe seven or eight years ago, he randomly had congestive heart failure and he was in the ICU and they didn’t know why. They still don’t know why it happened. They were saying he was on the heart transplant list, his heart’s done. And he’s fine now, he didn’t have to get a heart transplant. The moment it happened, I remember being in the ICU and I was just sitting there with him, and dude, I flashed back to like 70 different moments with him in that moment. And it was so fast and I was just instantly sobbing, because I just experienced all these amazing moments that I had with him. We had fun and we were at Reds games and Bengals games and on the couch. I felt all those things and I was just sobbing, and he was like, stop crying, it’s fine. And I’m like, no, fuck you, dude. But it’s not like I was even trying to focus on it. I wasn’t sitting there in silence by myself like, oh I want to remember it.

Everybody listening, you want to time travel right now? Ready? Remember the moment 9/11, when you learned about it. Absolutely. I was in social studies class. I remember I was sitting at this desk and they turned on this little TV in the corner, the shitty one. I remember all of it. So that’s the belief that you can put your mind in. So right now, that’s your time travel. I think those homies back in the day, that’s what they were doing. They were putting their mind at a different time. They were doing it through meditation, but you can just do it by recollection, by thinking. Like I remember us four years ago talking about doing a podcast. And I remember distinctly the first time Eric said they’re employees, and I think me and Jorge spent 30 minutes cussing them out. Absolutely. Like, god, we got to do a podcast on this.

To me, the problem with time travel is that we as a race, not even just as individuals, we constantly get stuck on the bad things and the things we wish we could change, the things we wish we could do, the regrets. And you can quantify that down to anything. I love playing cards and poker, and I never remember the good hands, I only remember the bad hands. But the same thing goes with life. We fixate on the things that we wish we could have changed or done, that we have regret on. And so the problem with time travel is that it’s a way to keep alive the potentiality of changing the things we wish we could have changed. Your mistakes of yesteryear. But if you didn’t make those mistakes, you wouldn’t be you. You wouldn’t be who you are right now in this exact moment if those things never happened. So those things happened and we have to be able to think towards the future as opposed to towards the past. While in your situation, I’m not trying to say, oh get over it. That’s insane. But I think as humanity we should be focused towards how we can make the future better for all of us, as opposed to, damn it, I wish we wouldn’t have done fossil fuel, wherever you want to travel back to change something.

Everyone wants to travel like, my answer was buy Bitcoin. That was what I was going to say. Okay, I got my second answer, because I was also thinking, would I go back and money and get rich? But my answer, I actually would go back to the pyramids. Legit. I love it. Because it’s such a mystery and it’s like, what? Such a mystery. That’s a great answer. Why did I think of that? I 100% like that.

Well, okay, so to answer the question, no, I don’t think past time travel exists. Do you think future time travel? I do. I do think that there’s a possibility of it, to go to the future. And not in the sense of time dilation, in the sense of being able to skip into the future. I do, because the future is what exists and what could happen. Don’t you have to create the future? Yes, correct. But you’re also creating the future in that sense of hopping into the future. Meaning the past has already been done. It’s so hard to say it. I wish I could change the mistakes of my past. And that’s what I think we hold on to. We hold on to, every person who’s not a piece of shit can change. And I believe that most people are not pieces of shit. So I believe that they want to change the messed up stuff they did, myself included. And I’m telling you where that path goes, of when you’re trying to fix the past. That is gone, and I’ve got to go like, that’s gone. But the beautiful thing is that you are creating a future that’s better. And you’re doing that for your sons, and you’re also helping to create a better future for our kids, our daughters. The past is done, like you said multiple times in this episode, there’s nothing we can do about it. All we can do is use those experiences to then do better.

And as messed up as it sounds, the messed up stuff that we’ve done in life, personally for me it’s like I needed that to get me on a better path. I was doing crazy stuff, messed up stuff. But if bad stuff never happened to me, I’d still be doing it. I still didn’t get to that peak low. Dude, if I didn’t hit rock bottom I would have never moved to Florida. I would have never met you guys, and we would have never had the podcast. I would have never met my wife, I never would have had my daughter. There’s so many good things that came out of having to pull myself up by the bootstraps and be like, I need to change. I can’t do this anymore, I’m going to die. And so that’s why I wouldn’t change what happened in my specific experience, because I needed that to become a better person. I wouldn’t have been a better person if that didn’t happen. So it’s the path that you achieved to get here, even though it was rough. It was super rough. Like I’ve told them, I’ve had a gun touch my head five times. Not in a fun, joking way. It was like, oh yeah, they’re going to kill you. And it sucks. I wish I wasn’t a crazy drug addict doing all this stuff, but it happened. And because it happened, I was able to change and want better. So the point is that the future can be changed, but maybe not the past. Exactly. We all agree. I think we have a collective agreement on that summation.

So real quick, the last thing on this. If you could go back, you said the pyramids was fantastic, but what would you do real quick? So you would go back and just see? I’d be working the bakery. No, if you had the ability to go back, you had one shot, one stop, one capsule, one choice, punch in the numbers. Am I allowed to come back to present? That’s a great question. Do you just go? Yes, for sure. Well, we’ve already done like four, five episodes on the pyramids, so you guys know that I believe there was definitely extraterrestrial help. So that’s what I would want to confirm. And I would also want to figure out, if I get to come back to present time, then what can I bring back with me, what kind of technology, because I do believe there’s a lot of lost technology that we were talking about in our episode. So what can I bring back? I’d be like the Elon of today. So in summation, you would go back to the pyramids, figure out what they had that we didn’t, what they were doing. There’s some shift-changing stuff, I don’t know what to call it, but some major stuff going down back in that day. And that’s what I want to know. There’s something that would be like a thousand times bigger than AI is right now. Because AI is literally transforming everything.

I would go back as far back as I could go, to the beginning of mankind. No, before that, before humanity. I want to go to the beginning of everything. Earth. Everything. When everything started. That’s a great answer. Spark of life. How did this whatever begin? What started this, the creation of the universe, or multiple universes? I want to go back to the beginning, to where it began. Just to see, how did this happen? Is it the big bang? But even the big bang theory, to me, I’m like, there was nothing and then there was a bomb, and I’m like, why? Show me why. By the way, we have a VIP request for the big bang. See, I’m trying to solve this right now. So we’ll get into that. I want to go back to inception, like what happened? Was it like a dude who’s like, yo, make it so? What if you get disappointed? You’re like, that’s it? It’s just like it always has been, and I’m split, and it’s another one that’s like, and then it blows up. To be honest, it’s probably disappointing. It probably is super anticlimactic.

The thing is, if you think about it, we’re literally floating around in nothing. It’s just nothing. I think a comedian did a bit about this and was like, we’re just in nothing. There’s no medium, it’s just empty, it’s just nothing. And there’s just atoms that happen to fly. Dude, I need to know. I have to know. That’s what I would do. I really like that one. What about you?

Well, I think past time travel is not real. I wish Back to the Future was real, but that would be sick. That would be rad. And by the way, we’re past the point of whatever, what was the year, 2021? Oh yeah. I was in England, I think it was 2020, when the exact date was. And they had a DeLorean there, for the whole, this is the exact day that they went to in the future. That was pretty cool. I think going to the past to fix your mistakes is human nature. Of course, everyone wants it. But what would you go back to? Like JFK? Yeah, probably. I know Eric’s been hung up on that. I really like the pyramids scenario. It’s cool, I want to know, you’d have to tell me. You’d have to catch up to present time. Both your answers were fantastic, either the pyramids or what happened with humanity and the beginning of the universe. These are both phenomenal.

I don’t think that we can go into the past. But if there was a time period or an event, what would it be for you? I like Sean’s answer. I was like, what happened? What the hell happened? How did this happen? I don’t know if it’s the big bang, but where did all the mass come from? Where did all these planets and the stars come from? This stuff doesn’t come out of nothing. There’s got to be a start. Something started, dude. But didn’t somebody make it? Somebody made it, bro. I don’t know who it is, but somebody made this. I don’t know whether it’s big bang or God or whatever, some sort of supreme being. I would kind of go on Sean’s board on that. Come with me. I mean, if I had one shot. Eric, I got a two-seater, baby. The DeLorean’s got two seats, you know. They’ll be like, you ready for this? Get the banana peels, put them in the thing, let’s go.

All right, there you go guys. That’s what we got tonight. Hope you guys got something out of it, or were at least entertained. We really went way deep, super out the deep end on this one. But I guess the conclusion is, fixing your past seems a little bit far-fetched. All we can hope for is that we make life better for our friends and our family, moving forward. That’s all we can do. And welcome to the view. Seriously, that guy. If you guys don’t know what we’re talking about, it’s a review we got. By the way, if you’re listening to this, go leave us a comment on Spotify. Leave us a review. We love that show. It’s okay to hate me, don’t punish these guys. Of all the episodes to have a glass of whiskey with, this is probably the one. You should start it off with that. Whiskey now.

We did one that was so outrageous, like a couple months ago. We did so many episodes, I don’t remember anything. I feel like I have dementia. I’m like, wait, what did I do yesterday? It’s called getting old. Oh, we did an episode on living in a simulation. It was like last November or whatever, very deep, similar vibe. The fact that you mentioned that, I was talking to Taye and I was like, dude, I feel like we do live in a simulation, but it’s not like what you think. It’s not like the Matrix. It’s just this belief, like, oh it’s okay, everything’s good. I think there’s stuff happening that we are so not privy to. But it’s not like a computer program. It’s like, it’s called the CIA. It’s like TikTok, IG. They got these blinders on us. Exactly.

Anyways, love to hear you guys’ thoughts. But again, we want to thank Justin, he requested this episode. He’s a VIP rich person status. Good one, Justin. Appreciate you, buddy. And I like getting deep. These are the type of conversations we have off air. Like, just chilling, this is how deep we’ll get as friends, just homies talking. So again, we love you Patreons. Super appreciate you guys and your support. We’ll catch you guys next time on the Conspiracy Podcast. Nighty night.