Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. Hello. What’s up, guys? If you don’t know us, uh my name is Eric, Jorge, and Sean. Welcome back. And this is going to be one of our final ones that are related to 911. Related. Um Yeah. Yeah, and it’s it’s not necessarily 9/11 in our series. We’re kind of moving forward in time. Um, but this is the hunt for Osama bin Laden. But before we do that, do what everyone loves, our Patreons. All right, so quickly before I get into it, quick shout out to Bear. You son of a [bleep] Uncle Bear. Uncle Bear with his one month cancelled just to just to infiltrate the Discord.

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And he says there’s an old poster out west, as I recall, that said, “Wanted, dead or alive. I want these streets, a loaded six string on my back.” It’s also for the next n and a half years the closest this country has to a mission statement which is we want the people who did this dead or alive. Yeah. And this is like the what do you call like the the great [bleep] unification. Yeah. Like this was like when everyone was like flying American flags like Oh yeah. Everyone was like patriotic. Everyone of all walks of life was all like united as a as an American.

Yeah. And I understand. Of course. Yeah. I wanted revenge, dude. [bleep] yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys wanted revenge. Everybody did. Yeah. 11-year-old me was like, “Fuck these guys.” Yeah. I know. And people were like signing up. Oh, yeah. Listing. Yeah. Up people of age, you know. Yeah. So, three things happened fast. What everybody ends up calling the war on terror. October 7th, the bombing of Afghanistan started. October 26th, the Patriot Act gets signed and in January of 2002, the first prisoners land at a place called Guantanamo Bay. And we’re not going to do an entire separate episode on the war that follows. This one is going to focus mainly on the hunt.

And every chapter of it hangs on those three hooks. You get it. By the middle of November, the Taliban are crumbling. Cabal falls. Kandahar falls in early December. And Bin Laden does what he’s been doing since the Soviets rolled into Afghanistan in the 80s. He goes to the mountains, specifically a cave complex in the White Mountains of eastern Afghanistan called Tora Bora, right on the border of Pakistan. A Senate report later says he’d helped build parts of it himself back in the 80s, including the rough road in from Jalalabad. He knows every fold of that terrain, and the Americans mostly don’t. It’s [bleep] desert. Yeah, he [bleep] Of course, we don’t know.

And here’s where the story gets a little uncomfortable. The US plan for Tora Bora was air power. Speaking of fancy, I mean it’s almost like perfect air. Yeah, that is an A-10 warthog that’s flying overhead right now. What’s the the base? McDill. McDill McDill. Yeah, we have McDill nearby. Um, but that sound that’s probably the uh Coast Guard. Yeah, Coast Guard or prop plane. That didn’t sound like powerful. So, the US plan for Tora Bora was air power. a small number of CIA and Delta Force operators on the ground and hired Afghan militia to do the actual fighting in the caves. The CIA’s own man on the scene, Gary Bernstein, was begging for more.

A senior CIA officer named Hank Crumpton, told Washington straight out that the Afghan fighters were tired and cold and just weren’t invested in getting Bin Laden. He wanted more than a thousand Yeah. He wanted more than a thousand US Marines parked near Kandahar flown in to block the escape routes. Motivated. Yeah. Like those other guys are just like getting paid. They’re like, “Yeah, whatever.” Yeah. The request went to General Tommy Franks, who was running the war. It didn’t happen, though. The Delta commander on the ground who writes under the name Dalton Fury is adamant that Bin Laden was in those caves until mid December of 01.

I mean, real quick, what a elite commander name. Daltton Fury. That might be a [bleep] sick [bleep] pen name. Yeah. [bleep] the next book by Daltton Fury. I think it is a pen name. I mean, that is like [bleep] fire. I might name my son that. Holy [bleep] Dalton Fury Bodner. Holy [bleep] Around December 12th, a local Afghan commander announces a ceasefire so al-Qaeda fighters can supposedly surrender. Critics say that’s exactly the cover bin Laden needed. On December 14th, he writes his will. And then according to 2009 report from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on or around December 16th, Bin Laden and a group of bodyguards walked unmolested out of Tora Bora and into Pakistan’s tribal areas.

And so you know molested just means like messed with. Like Yeah. Just if if you’ve ever been to Florida, you’ll see like these signs. And I remember when I first moved here, I was like this is weird. Yeah. And it’s like it’s just like do not molest the alligators. I was like, who what’s going on in this? Oh, this state is wild. Florida man comes out of this. So, General Franks, to be fair, has pushed back for years. His line is that nobody has ever shown him proof that Bin Laden was even there. Bin Laden himself later bragged that he was and that he’d survived the bombing.

So, they didn’t have You would assume there’d be some sort of intel. I know. And how is a general not getting the intel that and you’re going to see that a lot of this is just bad intel or just like they’re just like surmising like, “Oh, he’s got to be here. [bleep] it. Just let it rip. Let it rain. Yeah, just [bleep] it. Just bomb the shit.” So, the paper trail points to bad choices and a war effort that is already looking towards Iraq. Also, that report was written by a Democratic staff of Chairman John K’s committee in 2009, so it came with a political edge to it.

Oh, doesn’t it always? But there’s no way to be on the let it happen side of 9/11 and not feel weird about this. Everything we’ve covered earlier in the series was about the warnings the government didn’t act on before the attack. Tora Bora is the one where they had him and he walked and and now it’s like there’s a it’s a completely new like landscape now. It’s already happened. Everyone’s fired up and it’s also you have in essence this kind of blanket of Patriot Act immunity where you can just kind of do whatever the [bleep] you want and like there’s really no repercussions whatsoever. It’s like you can commit heinous like acts of war and you’re like well I mean technically I’m valid in my you know like I’m not doing anything illegal.

Yeah. So in March of 2003 the US invaded Iraq. The attention goes to that and so did the troops and a lot of our resources. So if you want to understand why the hunt for Bin Laden takes nine more years, you got to start there. This is also where the war on terror turns into a thing with its own gravity. Black sights off US soil. Oh yeah, there ain’t no rules of those. Guantanamo. [bleep] yeah. That kind of like sucks. A drone campaign over the tribal areas of Pakistan. Brown University has a project called Costs of War that’s been tracking all of it and their numbers are staggering.

Roughly eight trillion dollars in US spending and obligations. Somewhere around 900,000 people killed directly in the fighting related to this. It’s a lot of people. Yeah. Now, this is also counting indirect deaths from things like disease, hunger, lack of medical care. Oh, so just kind all death related happened during the time to all the wars. Yeah, essentially. So, it’s just like everything. H. So, those are estimates. Meanwhile, Bin Laden, the man all of this was supposedly for, is a ghost. He shows up on tapes. In October of 2004, a video lands days before the US presidential election, of course, with him talking directly to the American public.

Audio messages come out every so often through Al Jazzeri, uh, which was like a a newspaper out there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh each tape is proof that he’s alive and each tape also gets picked over by people trying to prove that it’s fake because the death rumors almost start immediately. In early 2002, Pakistan’s president floats the idea that Bin Laden is probably dead and that his kidneys gave out. Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn’t that be a weird like real quick like imagine like he’s dead like a year in and they’re like we got to keep this [bleep] we got to keep this train rolling boys. Like Iraq’s steam [bleep] steamrolling.

We’re we’re after oh we’re after uh uh Saddam and like all this like we can’t we can’t let the momentum die. He’s alive. I swear he’s alive. So this is where the death rumors started. A French newspaper in 2006 reported that he died of typhoid. And there were years of that where like different different newspapers or journalists were reporting that he was dead and it was all for not like it was all for nothing. Yeah. It’s all [bleep] up. It’s a Yeah. game of shadows. November 2007, Benazir Bhu, the former Pakistan prime minister is sitting down with British TV host David Frost. David Frost was famous from doing an interview with Nixon after um at Watergate.

Yeah. Yeah. She’s rattling off. Was I’m sorry. Is this the one who’s like, “I’m not a crook.” No, that was his that was his resignation speech. Yeah. But she’s rattling off a list of people who might want her dead. And she says the name Omar Shik and calls him the man who murdered Osama bin Laden. Eight weeks later, she was assassinated. Oh my god, that is not that does not look good. That does not look good at all. That clip went around the internet. And here’s the case against it, though. Omar Schik is the man convicted in the kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl, and most people think she simply said the wrong name.

She also gave other interviews right around then, including to CNN, in which she talked about Bin Laden as being alive. So people who debunk that quote unquote conspiracy say she slipped the tongue like she like she just messed up. Yeah. I mean sure that that’s totally possible but it is sketch that then she’s like instantly [bleep] Yeah. deleted. Yeah. Um, so for nine years, the world’s most wanted man was lost and the thread that finally leads to him comes from the least glamorous place possible, a courier. It’s also weird to think too cuz like playing both sides. Yeah. Like homie was a billionaire. So it’s like it’s a lot of resources to like disappear especially when you’re like already from a country that isn’t America where like social media and blah blah blah like you know what I’m saying everything is so like uh stone age I guess or whatever like like no cell phones I feel like like getting off the grid’s pretty easy [bleep] Afghanistan better way to put it it is off the grid no [bleep] country’s off the grid and there’s there’s so much more uh stories that are within this, you know, uh of this timeline that we’re going through.

And there’s a lot of good stuff to study. So, I don’t want to say that this is the full story. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is a Yeah. This is the episode. It’s not like Yeah. the six part what you could do on We could do a whole another like six-parter on just this. There’s so many details. So much. We’re not. No. You guys be like, I can’t do this. So shortly after 9/11, US intelligence picks up a nickname. Not a name, a nickname. Uh in the trade, it’s called a kuna and it was Abu Ahmed al Kuwaiti. That’s await nickname. Abu Ahmed al Kuwaiti.

It will take years for anyone to match it to a real human being. Though after 9/11, the government builds a system for catching and holding people outside of the normal rules. Mhm. Otherwise known as Yeah. CIA black sites. Yeah, they’re black sites. Look, you’re all you’re in international territory. Well, so it doesn’t it’s not just Guantanamo, right? They probably have No, they’re everywhere. Everywhere. Oh, they’re [bleep] everywhere. Guantanamo is just the one that we Yeah. have known about. Typically, a black site is a site that you don’t know exists. True. We obviously know Guantanamo exists and we know that they can do what they want there.

It’s in Cuba. They don’t give a [bleep] Yeah. But their black sites are like, “Yeah, you take them and like that’s where you go to disappear.” Yeah. And get tortured for information. So, here’s the part that I just kind of wanted to bring up and ask you guys what if you thought it was right or wrong because what we’ve done is we had to go outside of the law. Like why would we build a prison outside of US soil? Well, the thing is just a basic concept, right? You can’t do that [bleep] in the US. No, the thing is have rights. You basically have no rights in this black site.

Yeah, you No, but the thing is like this isn’t like the black sites weren’t invented at this time. They’ve been around. Like this isn’t like% the [bleep] first rodeo. They were already established. They just happened to take [bleep] there. But also they like publicly were like, “Yeah, we have a prison in Guantanamo Bay.” So it became a public thing like that. Yeah, I understand. But like other blacks when they’re saying black sites like they’re they’re not referencing Guantanamo. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Because they would just say they were taking to Guantan like they’re going to like you’re getting [bleep] tagged and bagged and then you wake up in a room and there’s like a bunch there’s homies looking at you and they’re like we need to know and even if you say the truth you need to speak they’re not going to believe you.

Yeah. But so I just wanted to ask you guys there’s a reason we went outside of our own laws. Of course, it’s to break the law 100%. Right. Yes. That’s why you go outside. I know. But I mean, think about that for a second. That we are intentionally breaking the law of our land. No, but or you just change the law with the Patriot Act and call it the new law. It’s like, but it was so extreme that we had to go outside even of the Patriot Act. No. No. Because the Patriot Act, the the Patriot Act states that if you you lose your Americans, you lose your rights.

Yeah. So, it’s like it’s more it was more on us. Yeah. It is. I mean, there’s a whole bunch of stuff. It allows you to It’s like a blanket statement that if in the in the aims of if you were a threat to national security, you cease to have rights. Yeah. Like that’s why Yeah. it can be used against us because as an American citizen, obviously you have these rights, but like your rights are null and void. Yeah. If you are a threat to national security. So it’s like yeah like oh yeah you don’t get there’s no due process. Oh the habius corpus you have to get brought in front of a [bleep] judge.

No you don’t. What are you talking about? That doesn’t exist for you anymore. So that’s when it they made it legal to be illegal. Yeah. But that’s why the Patriot Act is so [bleep] up because it makes it legal for them to to do something that is against your human rights. Yeah. Right. Well, so do you think it was right or wrong to do the Guantanamo Bay thing? Well, like Sean was saying, it was already there. Yeah. I think what you’re saying is like we basically turn up the volume or at least m became way more public with it, too. Yeah. You know, I think both both things.

I think you’re right. And and they had to be more public with it because everybody like Yeah. We talked about this at the beginning. Everybody was so like looking for revenge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but how do what does that do to your moral fiber? Because you’re you’re literally saying, “Hey, we need to go outside of what we’ve established as right and wrong in our government and our laws of our land. We we literally need to go outside of it in order to to do this.” So, we all collectively agreed that the laws of America aren’t enough. No, but no, no, no, no, no. Look, look, look.

Yeah. because it’s it’s a different story when you’re you’re talking about like okay yeah we have our laws but like we’re people are okay with it because it’s not at this time this has nothing to do with like um people that are subscribe to our laws being that getting that treatment this is yeah this is foreign enemies so obviously people aren’t going to have the same view do I agree with it no okay but like that’s a good point if you tell if the populace is being told like Yeah, we’re taking we’re we’re taking an a terrorist to a black site. They’re not going to care.

Like, oh, like my [bleep] my family died in 9/11. Like, I I don’t give a [bleep] Take him to the black site. Like, [bleep] yeah. Can I go to the black site? Like, can I can I can I get flown in? Yeah. Okay. Okay. But, but see, this is it’s not Americans at this time that are being affected by it. Yeah, I got you. So, it’s different. Yeah. Okay. All right. So the prison that we’re talking about is Guantanamo and interrogation methods the Justice Department signed off on in secret memos. Every detainee in this chapter goes through that system. Whether it actually found Bin Laden or just muddied the water is the actual argument, but we got to bring it up in the hunt.

So the story that most people know is Zero Dark 30. Yeah. Oh, one of my favorite movies. So good, dude. So good. Yeah. And in that story is that detainees at CIA black sites gave up the courier under torture. Mhm. So that’s the movie. Yeah. They say, “Hey, we had to do this.” And actually in that movie and because we did this, this guy Yeah. Yeah. But the real version’s a little messier. Uh do you remember KSMik Muhammad the 9/11 mastermind is captured in 2003 sent to Guantanamo Bay and waterboarded. He admits knowing Al Kuwaiti but waves him off as a nobody, not an active player.

Investigators later decide that waving him off is the tell. M so a detainee named Abu Farage Alibi captured in 2005 goes further and invents a completely different courier name. Okay, you see how it’s getting they’re everybody’s like a triple you know they’ve got multiple aliases etc. And you know Americans are like I don’t even know this place. I don’t know any you know you can’t even [bleep] pronounce a name. And what’s also like a guy like the thing about torture is like even if you don’t know anything, you’re going to say what you’re going to just you want to make it stop. You’re going to say whatever you have.

They’re going to say anything like please. That’s why it’s such a it’s such a stupid form because like you never know what’s true and what’s not because they’re going to say something. Of course they are. Yeah. So, uh, one of the biggest breaks in it came from a man named Hassan Ghoul, and he was captured in Iraq in January of 2004. He tells his interrogators that Al Kawadi is Bin Laden’s closest assistant and that Bin Laden is probably living in a house in Pakistan with him. And one officer reportedly says he sang like a tweety bird. Okay. You give like such a like such a fun childlike analogy for like the ruthless [bleep] like oh my god.

So in 2014 the Senate Intelligence Committee reported on CIA torture concluded that the that key early intelligence about Al Kawedi was not related to the enhanced interrogation and that ghoul saying or whatever you want to say before the rough stuff even began. So they still torture him anyways. He’s like, “I’ll give you everything.” And they’re like, “Well, let’s be sure.” Yeah. A group of former CIA leaders, George Tennant, Porter Goss, Michael Hayden, with three former deputy directors published an op-ed saying the opposite. Their line is that the agency never would have focused on the courier without the detention and interrogation program. Yeah. Yeah. They’re trying to cover the They’re trying to cover the like we needed this.

Yeah, we had to torture these [bleep] We had to. Yeah, there was no other choice. He was like, he told us beforehand like this is the dude. I swear it’s good intel. He was detained. He was at the black side. Therefore, justified. That’s exactly This is what we needed to do. The Senate report goes further and says that right after the raid, CIA officials gave Congress inaccurate information about where the tip came from. They’re already like no one wants to get in trouble. Yeah, they’re gonna lie. But if you figured out what’s going on, the people who ran the program say it worked and the people who read the documents say it didn’t work.

The the people that what the second part would you say? The people who investigated and just read the documents like journalism that sort of thing said it didn’t work. Of course, when you do something like this is a classic justification. When you when you do something wrong, obviously you want to make it right. And so then the people are looking are like, “What the [bleep] This is so unnecessary. Why the [bleep] are we doing this? So in 2010, now again, this is 9 years after 9/11. Yeah. Crazy. In n 9 years later, somebody finally gets the courier’s real name. Now, accounts differ on how he’s tracked to Peshawar and then in August of 2010 to a house in a town called Abadabad.

Abadabad is a garrison town. It’s a hill city a couple hours north of Islamabad and about 800 yards from the front gate of the Pakistan Military Academy. That’s basically the Pakistani West Point. Okay, so just kind of remember that the compound is three stories built around 2005 on a plot that costs something like $50,000. It had high walls in places up to 18 ft with barbed wire at the top, two sets of gates, windows on the upper floors that were blocked off, no phone line, no internet. Jesus. And they even were watching the people taking out the trash, but they burned the trash instead of letting it get picked up.

Yeah. The two men listed as owners don’t have a visible income to explain a place that big. And inside a tall man in the courtyard who walks laps for exercise and never ever lets a camera get a clean look at him. The CIA nicknamed that person the pacer. Genius. Didn’t he like stay like right next to the tree or under the tree or whatever so you couldn’t you couldn’t drone him? Um, and there’s a cool uh if you wanted to if you wanted to watch a good uh I think Netflix did it and it’s The Hunt for Bin Laden and it’s I saw that. Yeah, it’s good.

And it’s just literally the playbyplay step by step. Yeah. Yeah. And they show satellite uh images of of him pacing. Yeah. And it’s just almost like a ghostly shadow because you’re you’re up real high with a drone plane. Yeah. You’re in the [bleep] stratosphere. That’s all you see. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, speaking of shadow, I was going to say, are you going to get into it? No, go ahead. Okay. So, on on the shadow thing, they actually analyzed the guy’s shadow and and they because to evaluate like his actual height and like to evaluate the height and the gate that he had when he walked or whatever and they had video of him uh oh, he had done like a an interview with some reporter and so they had video of that.

Oh, they were pre 911. Yeah, pre11 they did an interview and and so I thought that was like pretty cool. The amount the amount of analysis that probably went in this is like insane because they were trying to bring it to the president, right, to be like I think we got something but we know for sure. Yeah. Can we just drop a [bleep] bomb on this [bleep] place like And what’s crazy is now this is Obama. Mhm. We’ve we’ve now moved. Yeah. GDub drop a bomb though because this is now Pakistan. Yeah. Exactly. And it’s like right next to West Point. Yeah. So you can’t like cause another international crisis.

Yeah. Now, real quick on a side, do you think Bush was like just inep beside himself that he didn’t that he couldn’t catch him? Yeah. No, he was the president for 9/11. Eight years. Eight years. He literally went into office in 2001. So that mean he had the full two terms to catch him. And he didn’t he didn’t even get close. Yeah, I I I I truly believe that George W. Bush, and I say this in the nicest way possible, like I don’t think he cared. I think he’s like, I just want to go see a Rangers game. I don’t think he gave [bleep] He was like, I don’t want to do this job.

He cared because I have to do this job because of his family name. Well, yeah. Because his dad cared and he’s like, I don’t want my dad to be pissed at me. Yeah. I do remember kind of after like years and years go by, you get back into your own life and whatever. And I was like, what is even happening? Yeah. It’s just like what the [bleep] is this happening in Iraq and Afghanistan? I don’t even I didn’t even get it at that point, you know? I don’t know. Yeah. So, here’s the here’s a part that and and and Jorge just brought it up. U it’s kind of weird coincidence, but Pakistan is officially one of America’s closest allies in the war on terror.

After 9/11, Washington poured billions of dollars into Pakistan. Roughly 20 20 billions of dollars. 20 billion dollars. 20 billions. It’s a billions for billions of dollars. Billions for billions of dollars. Uh so partly to pay for the fight against al-Qaeda. That’s the country Bin Laden is living in. Six years he lived there down the road from the military academy. He’s like living in the general’s office. Which is exactly why nobody tells Pakistan about the raid. Our partner in the war on terror is the one government we don’t even trust with the secret of where Bin Laden is. Yeah, we’re still like funneling [bleep] billions of dollars to them.

Yeah. So, the CIA rents a safe house in Abadabad to watch it. The Washington Post later reports that a team of operatives ran surveillance there for months and that the agency asked Congress to shift tens of millions of dollars to pay for the surveillance. The CIA also ran a vaccination campaign using a Pakistani doctor to try to get DNA from the people inside to confirm it. Interesting. Do they have his DNA on file? How do they have that? I I I assume they have something. Oh, or maybe when his maybe when his family was staying at they were like a little checkup little little checkup little swab.

So, in State Department documents that have been released, it was described as a polio situation. Polio like get like eradicated like it didn’t exist any doesn’t exist anymore. It’s still unclear whether it ever produced a usable sample though. No, I thought they didn’t I thought they didn’t get any. They Yeah, they I mean, you know, they tried to go doornocking and be like, “Hey, we we’re vaccinating everybody.” I can imagine them being like, “Fuck off. Get out of here. Yeah. Nobody in the room is sure it’s him. The CIA analyst who led the hunt says 95%. Deputy director Michael Moral says 60%. So a lot of different percentages here.

Yeah. Imagine a big gap. Yeah. Massive. Imagine your Obama getting that intel. You’re like, what am I supposed to do with this? It’s like [bleep] what is it 95 or is it 60? So, Deputy Director Michael Morurell later explained that he was deliberately lowballing it because he remembered Iraq’s weapons of mass destru destruction and what overconfidence they said about it and they never found it. They never found not a single WMD. Not you’re trigger shy or whatever the word would be. You’re like, well, yeah, 60% cuz I don’t want to be I don’t want to be responsible for this. So, The Last Wars intelligence failure is sitting in the situation room, shaping the odds on this one.

A red team inside the CIA comes back with numbers as low as 35%. Okay, this is going downhill. 0%. We had no idea who this person is. So, reports said that Obama said in the situation room that it’s basically a coin flip. Yeah. And like you just got to you got to make a decision. But I mean at this point though too like what’s confusing to me is that at this point you’ve spent 9 million [bleep] years. Nine years. It seems you’ve attacked many places just bombing the [bleep] out of [bleep] starting a whole separate war with Iraq. Why are we waiting months and months?

Oh I’d be like [bleep] it. I’m like 1% let’s ride send the boys. So there’s other options because you because you’re not gonna just be like, “Yeah, [bleep] it.” They go in there with Pakistan like they don’t know like start a war with Pakistan for what? [bleep] [bleep] it. Why would And then if you tell them then they can tip him off. So now he’s gone again. He’s gone again. So Tora Bora all over again. Yeah. But still, I mean, are they going to go to war against America because we bombed random compound and then we said, “Hey, we think it’s we think it’s bin Laden.” My thing is like why even do that?

You could be like, “Hey, we’re gonna send in some guys.” It’s like a little routine training thing. They’re like privates. They’re nobody. Yeah. And then they come in and like they it’s like Delta and they’re like, “Yeah, okay. No problem.” And they just go over there real quiet, real easy. Yeah. So, these are the options that were discussed in the sit broom, level the entire compound, just blow up the entire country. That’s what Sean would have done. Yeah. 100%. I’d be like, “Let it rip.” So, there was a reporter who described a plan using B2 bombers and something like 322,000 lb bombs, though. Again, that’s why they Why do they say bombs?

You just need one. Yeah, it’s a threestory compound. One 32,000lb bomb is going to blow up like Penll’s County. The [bleep] Another idea was a smaller strike from a drone arsenal. Um, another one was a joint operation with Pakistan, but that got ruled out because of concern of leaks. Yeah. So, exactly what you said. Or another option was I mean, if he’s hiding there for six years, Yeah. he’s got to have people on the inside. He bought someone out. Yeah. Uh, another another one was send in the seals. Yeah. Vice President Joseph Biden and Defense Secretary Gates are skeptical of the raid. Panetta and Secretary of State Clinton are for the raid.

April 29th, 2011, 8:20 in the morning, the president signs off. Then he flies to Alabama to tour tornado damage that was happening in that time period. Politics never stops. The next night, he stands up at the White House correspondents dinner and tells jokes, but all the while knowing what’s coming in the days. Weather pushes the raid out a day to Sunday, May 1st. Years later, when the documents come out, we learn that Bin Laden was about to leave. Oh, yeah. In letters dated January and February of 2011, the Courier brothers are burned out and want to be separated from him. The plan on the table was to move in September.

So, the CIA’s own account says that if the decision had been delayed, we might never have gotten Bin Laden. [bleep] Okay. And just a real quick point of point of note, Pakistan is 9 hours ahead of the US on the east coast. So, when it’s afternoon in Washington, it’s after midnight in Abadabad. So, for this timeline, we’re going to use Pakistan local time. Sure. Makes sense. Yeah. And the US timeline and Pakistan’s own investigators don’t agree on the minute to minute. Okay, fine. I mean, they’re off by two minutes. Yeah. I mean, look, like I’m not going to like split hairs over that. Yeah, you [bleep] lying pieces of [bleep] [bleep] con two minute conspiracy.

And if it was like 6 hour difference, I’d be like, something’s off. The launch point is a base in Jalalabad, Afghanistan. two specifically modified stealth Blackhawk helicopters carrying about two dozen operators from SEAL team six red squadron plus a translator and a Belgian I’m plus a translator not the Belgian guy like cut him out deleted deleted guy was not there Paul River yeah deleted Two Chinuks follow with backup and fuel. The US timeline has them lifting off at 10:51 p.m. Now, keep in mind Pakistan’s commission later puts it closer to 11:10. Well, okay. Are we going to trust Pakistan? That’s 20 minutes. That’s 20 minutes.

Yeah. Was fake news. About 90 minutes flying through the low mountains. Pakistan’s radar is on a peacetime footing and the controllers log the unusual traffic as routine. At about 12:30 a.m., the first Blackhawk reaches the courtyard, but it goes wrong. The pilot tries to hover over the yard. The walls though are too high and the air is hot. The helicopter is heavy and it gets caught in its own downwash. The Pakistani Commission uses the aviation term settling with power. The tail slams into the wall and the helicopter drops. Nobody is hurt. The assault keeps going. Meanwhile, seals who speak Erdo and Pashtu set up a cordon.

Meanwhile, seals who speak the language. Perfect. They tell neighbors who wander out to stay inside. First target, the guest house, the courier. The one we’ve been calling Al Kuwaiti is killed there and his wife Miam is hit in the shoulder. Now already the story split into two. The US officials say he fired at the SEALs first and told NBC days later that he was the only person in the compound who fired a shot. Let’s call a spade a spade. They probably were just like, “Oh, there’s a dude. Put [bleep] put a round in his head immediately.” Like I guar like I guarantee you it was like the first thing is like he’s got a gun.

He’s got a gun. Even if he was just like taking his [bleep] He’s got he’s got a gun. So Mariam told Pakistani investigators that he opened the door asking is that you Abra and was shot through the window. Yes. Is that you? However you say yes in whatever that language he said was the main house. So on the ground floor, the courier’s brother Abra is killed along with his wife Bushra. One of the seals later writes that she jumped in front of her husband, then into the stairs. Bin Laden’s son, Khaled, who is 23, is on the staircase. One account has the point man whispering his name in Arabic and Khaled leaning out to see who it is.

That was brilliant. Oh my god. And they’re like, bing. Yeah. He’s shot and he’s killed. Yeah. If one, of course they are. Yeah. And look, I’m not saying like I condone like the killing of people. It’s just like if you’re in that situation, you’re not this isn’t like the police doing like a wellness check. Yeah. Like this you’re no you’re you’re killing everybody. Just you’re you’re indiscriminately killing everyone. And it’s unfortunate, but that’s what you’re doing. So the third floor, Bin Laden’s bedroom. With him is his youngest wife, Amal. According to testimony she gave to Pakistani investigators, they thought the noise outside was a storm.

And when she reached for the light, he said no. Their daughters were also in the room reciting the Islamic declaration of faith. Amal saw a soldier in the doorway with a red laser dot on his body and she charged at him. He shot her in the leg. And then we have three versions of what happened next. Sick. Love it. I love it when there’s so many different [bleep] like they couldn’t get their [bleep] together. They just give three different stories. The point man in the hallway sees a head peek out of the bedroom door and fires. The exal Matt Besonette writing as Mark Owen in No Easy Day, so he has a pen name, says that shot hit Bin Laden in the head and that he and another SEAL then fired into his chest as he laid on the floor.

Robert O’Neal, who came forward in 2014, says the point man missed, that he walked in and saw Bin Laden standing with his hands on a woman’s shoulder and that he fired two shots into his forehead and a third on the ground. Yeah. Like [bleep] that’s like John Wick [bleep] Like just to like be super sure. Peter Bergen at CNN spoke to a serving seal who backed the beset version. The Pentagon will only confirm that O’Neal was on the raid, but they won’t confirm what happened. Yeah. It’s also too like you have like there is the what we’ve talked about numerous times, numerous episodes on witness testimony being like like it’s such a high stress, high like adrenaline crank to the max.

True. Like oh my god. Yeah. So, but what what does that lead us to is that to this day, we don’t know who fired the shot that killed Osama bin Laden. Mhm. To this day, we didn’t get confirmation that it was Osama bin Laden. So, the time on the clock is 12:39 a.m. According to the CIA’s timeline, 3:39 in the afternoon in Washington, Bin Laden is found and killed on the third floor. about nine minutes after the first helicopter arrived. Was he armed? This says an AK-47 and a pistol were sitting on the shelf by the door. An AK-47 was at the Pakistani West Point [bleep] two miles away.

Was somewhere around. Yeah. Well, they Well, I mean the the it was dead or alive. I mean, let’s be honest. Yeah. Uh the CNN Bergen reported saying he never reached for them, though. Who cares? [bleep] Bin Laden. So at 12 at 1253, the radio call that every American has heard repeated said, “For God and country, Geronimo, Gono, Geronimo.” Or was that like the call sign for like like the mission success? And then Gono E Kia A. Oh, killed action. Enemy killed in action. Yeah. And that code word ended up being its own little controversy. Native American leaders objected to attaching Geronimo’s name. Oh my god.

To do like why do we have to do this? Like the National Congress of American Indians president said their understanding was that Bin Laden’s code name was actually Jackpot and Dono was the name of the operation. I mean, are we really going to [bleep] like complain about this? I mean, Geronimo is a a legend in American Native American culture. So, but it’s it’s also it’s also used slangly in saying like jackpot or like or it’s like true, but I’m just trying to give you the other context, right? Like so, okay, say in a say in 500 years. Mhm. Okay. There’s an operation and then somebody’s like Washington, Washington, Washington, and it’s killing the worst terrorists of all.

You know, I wouldn’t give a I would not care. But it’s also like, you know, they also use eagle all the time. It’s like, here’s another thing like uh you know, the the Washington Redskins that was obviously clearly that was clearly a racist, huh? But then like the Kansas City Chiefs, like no one gives a [bleep] No one just No one cares about that like whatsoever. Okay. Or the seminals. I dude I I literally can’t like wrap my head around the I guess that’s actually the name of the Indians. Not not calling them Redskins. Anyways, whatever. No. And even right now the the not the World Series, but coming up to the World Series is um Cleveland is playing the Indians.

Yeah. Well, no, the the Guardians. Oh, they changed it. Change the name. So, same. I mean, well, not same, but granted, like granted, like, do I think that the the mascot they had was a little like Peter Pan racist? Yes, it was a little much. That was that was so I watched Peter Pan with my daughter. I was like, “Oh my god, this is this is not like appropriate for the time.” Literally, their color is yellow. No, the No, the the the animation is No, but then they’re like they’re all like giant redfaced guys and like the the daughter’s like this cute little thing and I was like this they were making some wild [bleep] in the [bleep] 60s, bro.

What the [bleep] Oh yeah. Okay, so next up the identification. Okay, his wives and a daughter identify him. Facial recognition is reported at around 90%. How can you not have a Oh, I got shot in the head twice. Okay, understandable. They do take DNA. At 12:55, the body goes into a bag. For the next 15 minutes, the team strips the the compound. Computers, hard drives, thumb drives, papers, everything they can scramble to do in 15 minutes before they need to get out of there. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a short amount of time. Then at about 10:06 a.m., they blow up the crashed helicopter. Oh, they’re just like, “Fuck it.” Yeah, they’ve done it.

Well, because uh I was going to say that about the helicopter that it was like modified to with like B2 technology and like some other [bleep] that they’re like we can’t have this [bleep] getting done wrong. Yeah, exactly. So, they detonated it. Yeah. At 110, the last team members lift off on the backup. The US says about 38 minutes on the ground. Pakistan commission said 36. Okay, that’s the two minutes you’re talking about. I’m not I’m not going to split hairs about that. Two minutes. Now, let’s look at Pakistan really quick. Around 2 a.m., a military operations officer finally phones Pakistan’s army chief. And at 2:07, the general calls the Air Force chief and asks him to shoot down the intruding helicopters.

Americans. Oh, the Pakistanis or something? Well, they didn’t know. They didn’t know they were Americans. Oh, they just Okay. Okay. They didn’t Okay. Cuz they weren’t informed. That’s right. So, Pakistani F-16s get launched into the air about 43 minutes after that call. That’s 24 minutes after the last American helicopter left. At 5:00 a.m., Admiral Mullen phones the general. And at 6:45 a.m., the general finally tells the president of Pakistan. So, the president of Pakistan is basically the last person in the entire chain to find out. And then it’s like the American dude. At 2:53 a.m. the helicopters land back in Afghanistan and an Admiral McRaven walks over to the body.

Nobody has a tape measure. So he has a 6’2 Navy Seal lie down next to him to check whether the man in the bag is 6’4, which is the height of Osama bin Laden. This is the most crude [bleep] bag of rando [bleep] Isn’t that crazy? It’s insane. Isn’t that crazy? What the [bleep] Yeah. McRaven says that Obama later joked, “You had a $60 million helicopter and you didn’t have a $10 tape measure. It’s literally crazy. Yeah, we spent trillions of dollars on this [bleep] and you literally A few days later, President Obama even handed the general a plaque with a tape measure on it.

Dude, what an ultimate troll. I love it. Back in Washington, Obama is in the sit room around 3:30 p.m. Eastern. And that’s the famous photograph where Biden Gates and Hillary Clinton with the hand over her mouth. You’ve seen it in the S room. Yeah. At 3:53, they get the tentative positive ID. At 11:35 that night, the president walks into the East Room and says it in front of the world. and I quote, “After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.” Crowds then in America gathered outside the White House and at ground zero. And here’s the wild part about the story.

In the first three days, the account changes. May 2nd, counterterrorism adviser John Brennan says there was a firefight, that Bin Laden resisted, and that a woman was used as a human shield. It’s better PR. Yeah. May 3rd, White House spokesman Jay Carney reads a corrected statement saying that he was not armed. The wife rushed a seal and was then shot in the leg. The woman who died was the courier’s wife, not Bin Laden’s wife. By May 4th, NBC is reporting that three of the four men killed were unarmed in that compound. And the White House issued a statement saying it was the fog of war.

Look, I get it. But like I said, you can’t you can’t send these guys in and expect them to like I know have discernment. Like granted, it’s like women and children, sure, like you’re not you’re not going to shoot to kill, but like military age males there, I guarantee like the protocol is you kill every military age male. Like I don’t give a [bleep] Like there’s no no you don’t ask questions. There’s no arrest. Yeah. You’re not like trying to like communicate. You’re you’re also going into a spot that’s you know nine years of buildup. Yeah. of somebody that everybody believes killed 3,000 people. Yeah.

You know, and they’re also known for like suicide bomb. Suicide bomb. Yeah. Like And that’s something that doesn’t get brought up enough is those those guys who went in it could have there could have been a suicide situation. Oh, easily. The guy’s like, “Oh, oh, oh, oh, I I surrender, but Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But the core fact of it is that it doesn’t change, which is that they killed Osama bin Laden. But when your first week of public statements gets walked back like that, you hand every theory in this episode, it’s starting kind of like confusion and and and ammunition for a conspiracy. It’s also like, come on, guys.

Yeah. It’s just such it’s so like it’s so lazy like you know you couldn’t just like you have a definitive story and you just stick with it like just [bleep] ride it to the death like [bleep] it. So now we’re going to talk about the body quite a bit. Well this is that’s why this is the most sus this the most sus part of it. Yeah. So let’s walk through what happened with the body uh because every conspiracy about bin Laden and his death comes from this. So after the ID or the identification in Jalalabad, the body is flown out and about 24 hours after the raid begins, it is buried at sea from the aircraft carrier US Carl Vincent in the North Arabian Sea.

The official reason was that Islamic law requires burial within 24 hours and no country was going to take the body in time to meet that. That’s the official reason. I love that. Like that’s [bleep] Yeah. We’ll happily take you to a black site and [bleep] torture your ass, but like now we’re follow. You got Islamic law. Yeah. Yeah, but Islamic law says it’s I thought it was because they so then so a lot of other people have stated too that other officials said that they didn’t want a grave that would turn into a bin Laden shrine. That makes more sense to me. Yeah. Yeah, that makes that that would make sense.

But still, like you know how easy that is to solve? Just turn him into ash and throw the ashes in the trash can. Like it’s that easy. Like what? And you know what’s crazy is that we’ve learned a lot from what happened to Hitler and the mysteries still. Yeah. Like surrounding him. When you don’t have a you don’t have a physical man like you need to know. Scan him every way. Which way? Literally like dental records, DNA, photos, never have a Navy Seal lay next to him. Take a picture of that. Yes. Everything. Yeah. Additionally, I have a baby to lay next to me. Additionally, skeptics point that sea burials are generally for people who die at sea.

It’s also it’s like it’s not even really a burial, just throwing his corpse in the water to be eaten by sharks. But we do know a lot about the burial because of one Freedom of Information Act request. The Associated Press got a stack of Navy emails in November of 2012. In one, the rear admiral says the body was washed, wrapped in a white sheet, placed in a weighted bag, and slid off a board into the water after an officer read a prepared religious remark that were translated into Arabic. Oh my god. Get the [bleep] I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Like, I’m sorry. Like, why why are we respecting?

Why? What is it with all this [bleep] respect? Like especially when you go in and you’re like, “Oh, like his his wife runs at me, bitch.” B like she gets shot. But they’re like, “Wait, wait, wait. We have a prepared religious like get the [bleep] out of here, dog.” The email also says that the lack of documents was a quote a reflection of the emphasis placed on operational security. End quote. I’m sorry. They also wiped they’re going to wrap him in a white sheet and just [bleep] just flail that just fling that [bleep] off the boat. Who cares? In another email, somebody asked if any sailors watched the burial.

They answer no sailors watched the burial. Who watched it then? Fewer than a dozen of the ship’s leadership were reportedly told about it. Oh, they were told. They weren’t even went who then who buried his ass? The ghosts. The CIA. CIA. This is why this exists. This is why this this is this is why. Yeah. We read him. We had a prepared eulogy that we wrote for him from and his loved ones. No. It’s not like [bleep] It’s not like Darth Vader who like redeemed himself at the end and we had to shoot arrows into a you know what I mean? Like Yeah. It wasn’t like he was like some like some like savior like oh I actually give you I’ll give you the keys of the kingdom and you can take down this whole network of bad people.

He was a what? Yeah. So okay here’s more conflicting information. Yeah. The Pentagon told the Associated Press it couldn’t find any images of the body on the carrier. There was no death certificate. No [bleep] No no no autopsy report. Duh. No DNA result. No DNA. I thought they took I thought they took DNA though. Well, no, like not on not on the ship. Not on the ship. No, but you said they took DNA when they killed them. Yeah. Back in the base. And additionally, it was like a two years later. Like additionally, some people say that this is why, which is that in the raid plans, there were no plans of what to do when we succeeded.

So, we spent all this time working on plans and and But there was no plan. What do we do? And so then they were like, “No, roll it back.” How do you How do you have a [bleep] prepared [bleep] Islamic religious statement for And that seems a little prepared, you know? Yeah. Good point. So, but then the contradictory part of this is the government says it does have 52 images of the body, including shots of the head wound and of the burial. But I need to see him. But Barack Obama decided not to release them. I need to see him. And he said, quote, “We don’t trot this stuff out as trophies.” Yeah, I get it.

Like obviously you I understand like Yeah. Oh, here’s a dead body. Like sure, but like maybe it should be like a age verification, you know? You can plug in like your ID and then you can see it. So there’s a watchdog there’s a watchdog group called Judicial Watch. They sued for it like for the for the information and a federal judge in 2012 wrote that and I quote verbal descriptions of the death and burial of Osama bin Laden will have to suffice. And in the circuit court of appeals in 2013, they backed the US government. And as far as today goes, those images are still locked.

Of course, the Circuit Court of Appeals is going to back the US government. Who you think’s paying the salaries? The government says it was afraid of incitement. This skeptics say the same government showed Saddam Hussein’s literal execution and beheading, but they won’t show proof like images of Osama. The thing is like Saddam was a was a not like Saddam was like a side like a side quest. Yes. Like that wasn’t even like the main quest. What the [bleep] Yeah. This is [bleep] [bleep] That’s [bleep] Meanwhile, like we watched two skyscrapers collapse with thousands of American citizens in it. But it’s like, oh well, got to be respectful.

We got to bury him. This is religious practices. So the DNA, so officials told reporters there was a 99.9% match. ABCundo ABC reported that one sample came from the brain tissue of a sister who died in Boston and the hospital reportedly said that she was never a patient there. How you get a brain especially like is she having brain surgery? How you get a brain tissue sample? Another official said several relatives DNA was used. So this is remember I was saying yeah like they had the whole family whole family and they were flown out like when like [bleep] was on lockdown. Yeah. Also sketch but the point of all of this is that no independent lab has ever published the results.

And honestly at this point we’re just taking the government’s word. Well you can imagine that like if you were like the lab that the government chose they’re like yeah do it but if you put it out we’ll literally murder your family. So you’re like okay no problem. That is That’s all he had to say. Like, we’re good. You these black sights that we have, they’re crazy. Wild. They’re so crazy. We’ll bury you at sea, too, [bleep] Seriously. Okay, so let’s go through some of the theories. And I’m going to rank them from the most believable to the least. The most [bleep] Yeah. So number one, Pakistan knew Bin Laden lived for around six years within the shouting distance of a military academy.

Mhm. So the theory is that Pakistan, even though they were our ally and we were pumping tons of money into them, they knew where he was the whole [bleep] time. I mean, that seems pretty believable. Yeah. He was in a home with no phone line. And Pakistan’s own commission whose reported leaked to the press in 2013 called it a collective failure and gross incompetence and didn’t rule out that somebody in their own government knew. Yeah. But like gross incompetence seems to be like a pretty uh standard operating basis for government operations. But after the 470,000 files that have come out on this operation, there was no document showing um Pakistan protection.

Yeah. But obviously when you let’s be realistic, you’re not going to like send an email like, “Oh, I can’t believe those idiots don’t know we’re protected.” Like, you know, that’s true. You’d be a little bit more You wouldn’t like send an email to your cousin being like, “I’m so grateful that Pakistan is protecting me. Right. That that general general is like [bleep] got me on got my back. Uh, next theory that the US spun the story how they wanted, but we don’t know necessarily why they did. And it isn’t a theory. It’s on record. The firefight, the human shield, the wrong son, the torture claim that the Senate says was inaccurate.

Those are all documented. Yeah. But then the question becomes, why did they change the story? Well, I’ll tell you when I give you my theory. Like, it’s possible that they were like, you know, hey, we did this inhumanely. Well, no. They they don’t give a [bleep] though. No. That that you do you really believe that they’re going to have any sort of qualms about that? No. Not at all. That’s why the whole idea of them like trying to respect his religious beliefs is like absolute [bleep] Yeah, such it’s so [bleep] Will happily torture all of his homies and confederates, but then did they get did they get proper [bleep] religious burials?

[bleep] no, they didn’t. Nobody did. No, exactly. They got thin [bleep] trash compactor. They didn’t give a [bleep] So, another theory, uh, and it’s Seymour Hirs’s version, and he’s the Pulitzer winning reporter who wrote in 2015 that Pakistan’s intelligence service had been holding Bin Laden captive since 2006. Oh, that’s interesting. That a walk-in former Pakistani intelligence officer sold the location for 25 $25 million reward. Oh, wow. That’s a big [bleep] reward. that Pakistan’s army and intelligence chiefs knew about the raid in advance and the body was cut up and dumped from a helicopter over Hindu Kush. No, but like why do that? Like why would you dispose of the body to like make it a secret?

Like wouldn’t wouldn’t it look good for Pakistan like to get so much more like kudos with the Yeah. clout with the Americans. They be like, “Hell yeah, we’re going to give you more billions.” Like they’d be like, “Dude, we could extort the [bleep] out of these guys.” Yeah. Not sure. But the main American source is an anonymous retired intelligence official. There we go. What’s [bleep] like Destiny [bleep] Firebird? Whatever the [bleep] Dalton was named Daltton Fury. Oh. Uh, another theory, the b the burial was staged. No sailors watched, no photos. But the court filings say the government holds the images, including the burial, and the Navy email is from the day.

That’s not really a theory. That’s just like the facts. Yep. That’s actually precisely what occurred. But um it leads into the next one which is that he was dead earlier. Like not in the raid. Yeah. No, he was dead like years prior. Years prior. Yeah. Uh the kidney rumors. Yeah. Which we had brought up prior. Yeah. I don’t know on that one. The next one, a body double or a CIA asset or an Iran deal. And this version is tied to a Benghazi incident that got retweeted by Trump in 2020. I don’t know. I mean, anything that’s like anything that’s getting retweeted, I’m already like I mean, he tweets AI.

He also he did you see the AI video of himself like playing with a tiger and like Yeah. after the dude died in the tiger pit. Yeah. And he retweets this [bleep] like the middle of the night like Trump also tweet [bleep] where he’s like oh you’re you’re I’m the genius. I have this extremely high IQ. The highest IQ actually of anyone ever in the history of mankind. I’m like dude why are you stop tweeting what are you doing? Like next one. Um, the SEALs were silenced. Three months after the raid, August 6th, 2011, a Chinuk, no. A Chinook Mhm. helicopter gets shot down in Afghanistan.

30 Americans die. Silence with death. Is that that one incident from uh Lone Survivor or whatever that movie? Like I don’t know if it’s if that’s the one because that was No, because they were they were like they were shot down like his homies were shot and there was three of them. I thought that’s what he said. We got shot down. No, I saying no. No, like they got shot like in a firefight. Not like not like the helicopter got shot down. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. But in that one, 30 Americans died including 15 from CLTM 6. For a lot of people that was just too convenient.

Yeah. Those guys are so [bleep] elite [bleep] Yeah. I mean, but was it confirmed that those were the same dudes like on the mission? Like that that would be a question for that one. It’s just from the unit Steel Team Six. Yeah. I mean, obviously that there’s a lot of dudes that are in it. Yeah. Yeah. But like were they the same guys who were running that op? But also like those guys like but don’t they all have like you know they’re locked down NDA like you you No like I’m saying like those those guys it’s like it’s I’m pretty sure like if you like say some [bleep] that’s not approved like you’re going to jail.

Yeah. Like they’re like oh welcome to military prison brother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There’s also Patriot Act. Just welcome to Guantanamo. So now some of the stuff that they found within the compound. Yeah. On May 13th, 2011, Reuters reported, citing current and former US officials speaking anonymously, that the compound had a stash of pornography on its computers. All right. Yeah, that checks out. Those guys were I mean, obviously the homies that were states side were at the titty like, so that makes sense. Yeah. But it contradicts their whole religious philosophy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. their words, quote, “Modern electronically recorded video that was fairly extensive, but the officials said they didn’t know exactly where it was found in the building.” Wait, so like they recorded it that was like them like their own like homemade homemade videos and the pornography.

Oh, what were the homemade videos pornography or were they just like homemade? Like they’re like family videos like they’re like videos in the compound. Yeah. Okay. Well, sure. Okay, fine. But again, but they also didn’t know if those videos were who were they were made by and if Bin Laden was jerking off to porn. Well, probably both or both. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got home videos and then I got like my secret stash. Also, just a point of note is that there were early 20s and even teenagers in the house. And so some say, you know, that that was theirs, not Bin Laden’s, but that but that doesn’t m like doesn’t change anything like whether he’s jerking out the corner or not, like it doesn’t like change the narrative, right?

Yeah. Former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clark told ABC that the drip of embarrassing details was part of an effort to keep Bin Laden from becoming a martyr. Because in 2017 when the CIA released the entire trove, it said outright that it was withholding some of the pornography along with malware and copyrighted material. But wait, wait, wait. Sorry. So this so the stash is real enough to have been mentioned in the release, but we don’t know what it was. Well, isn’t like a great way to make him not a martyr is making him like literally violating like their religious creed. Yeah. Of like pornography and all this [bleep] Like that’s that’s a way to make him not a murder.

You should be like, “Hell yeah, we found all kinds of sketch shit.” Yeah. But that that’s what that’s what we’re saying. I think that that’s why the narrative or like the story is that they found all this [bleep] Oh, I thought they were saying like they didn’t bring it out because they did. Oh, okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. They’re like BBLs and like [bleep] this. Like, so in the 2017 release gets even weirder, there’s about 470,000 files, a handwritten 228 page journal. Over 10,000 videos were found. Okay. A wedding video of his son. Then entertainment videos such as Charlie bit my finger.

Charlie did my finger. Final Fantasy 7. Oh, dude. Elite game. Holy [bleep] Tons of videos of Tom and Jerry. You know, the animated uh Yeah, the cartoon. Yeah, we were just talking about the Tweety Bird. He sang like a Tweety Bird. Yeah. Mr. Bean, you know, remember Mr. 28 crochet tutorials. Wow. Maybe for the lives. Yeah. Okay. A second edition of loose change. Do you remember the 9/11 documentary? Yes. Yeah. And even PDFs about the Illuminati. Now, remember I brought up that they were concerned about copyright situations. That’s because they had the movie Ants Cars. Oh, like the Ice Age. Oh, so they didn’t want Pixar to like [bleep] Isn’t that crazy?

Isn’t that weird that you’d be concerned about that? Come on. Come on. Disney or like Pixar or whoever. Who did uh who did Ice Age? I don’t know. The other one. I think Pixar, I think. I think No. No. No. Disney Pixar. Yeah, it’s the other one. It’s the competitor. Who’s the Who’s the main Illumination? Yeah. Like one of those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, the point is it’s super weird. Yeah. There’s also a video released by the government of Bin Laden wrapped in a blanket, gray bearded, flipping through channels and watching coverage of himself on television. I mean, that that checks out. I mean, those guys are usually super conceited, narcissistic.

Yeah. A few more details. Uh, reports from Panetta’s briefing to Congress said there were €500 and two phone numbers that were sewn into his clothing. It’s like not a lot of euros. Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. It’s like a very limited amount of euros for a billionaire. One US official told the ABC that they recovered three AK-47s and two pistols from the compound. Um, and in the files, letters about plans for an attack around the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Like also, it’s like, wow, if you didn’t if there was no guns in the compound, that would be sketch to me, you know? And then there was one email about an unhappiness with an Iraqi affiliate that would later become ISIS.

Sure. Okay. So, he was just like a [bleep] weird dude. He’s like [bleep] you know, jerking in the cave [bleep] I don’t know, right? watching ants like I don’t know like [bleep] jerking off to ants. Look at that queen ant right there brother. So and then a bunch of movies come out books come out and they all contradict each other and then you know zero dark 30 even has incorrect things in it. So then a neverending slew of like well that’s just a movie. It’s not like a documentary. Yeah. wrong information, you know. And then al-Qaeda doesn’t actually die with Bin Laden. I al Zawahari takes over.

The Iraqi branch turned into ISIS. And in August of 2021, the US fully pulled out of Afghanistan and the Taliban walk back in. And on the morning of July 31st, 2022, two hellfire missiles hit a balcony in the middle of Cabal and killed Zabahhari, who was living in the capital under Taliban protection. 20 years into the war, the man who inherited al-Qaeda turns out to have been living in the capital of the country that we’d been fighting in the entire time. Yeah. It’s also like we didn’t what you didn’t mention is that when we left Afghanistan, we left like billions of dollars of equipment, supplies.

I’ve seen videos of that [bleep] Yeah. Literally like all kinds of [bleep] Like just a [bleep] treasure trove of [bleep] So here’s where we are left now after literally almost 10 plus hours of this story. The government missed the warnings before the worst attack in American history. It had him in a cave and then it lost him. It fought a war that cost trillions of dollars while he hid for nine more years. And then when it finally found him, it killed him in the dark in 38 minutes, put his body in the ocean, and hasn’t released the quote unquote receipts proving that was even him.

So whether you’re on team Eric, team Jorge, or team Shawn about the theories of 9/11, there’s one thing we can all say. Everything that could prove the ending is the one thing they won’t even show us. Doesn’t mean he’s alive, but it doesn’t tell us what happened that day. When the most important evidence in a story is the one thing the government chooses to bury in the ocean, you can’t be surprised when we question the narrative. This [bleep] [bleep] Yeah. There’s only one There’s only one reason. Only one reason, Rich. What’s that? You want me to go? Yeah. He dude, straight up, he he died prior.

When when he died, I don’t know, but I think they ended up realizing that he was dead. They they did this mission. They thought it was him. Maybe it was his son. Maybe it was somebody else. Somebody looked like him. Yeah. Somebody who looked like him. That’s why I think it was probably his son. And they they confirmed that his son was there. Yeah. And so they do it and they’re like, “Yo, like we think we got him.” Yeah. They confirm. They’re like, “Oh [bleep] it’s not like it’s either that.” It’s like what? However it went down, I think they knew that he was dead, but they couldn’t let it go.

Because if you been going for 9 years and you find out that he’s actually been dead four years prior, you like the American people are going to be in [bleep] uproar. There’s going to be giant it’s going to be a [bleep] let down like pandemonium. So you needed to have a win and the win is like, “Oh, we killed him.” So they’re like, “All right, you’re going to go in. His son’s there. That’s who it is. You’re gonna kill him. Let’s They didn’t even know. They said they knew until Maybe they didn’t know. And then at the moment they had it and they’re like, “This is not him.” Yeah.

No. They were like there. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, it is. It’s him. It’s him. It’s him. It’s him. It’s him. It’s him. It’s him. It’s him. Put him on the [bleep] Nits. Jackpot. And so then they’re like, “We got to dump the body.” Yeah. Because like if we if we bring it back, you got to dump it. And they’re like, “It’s for his religion 100%.” Yeah. Like we’re we’re Americans. We respect that kind of [bleep] here. It is crazy. Dump his ass. I’ll give him that. It’s [bleep] weird. It’s insanity, right? It doesn’t add up. Yeah. No, but when you think about it though, like this isn’t, you know, when we were doing 911, we talked about the the trades that were made.

It was, you know, $16 million. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like we’re we’re in a different [bleep] like uni universe now. I’m talking about trillions of dollars. Trillions. Like trillions. Yeah. Is trillions of dollars worth like perpetuating a little little white lie? Oh yeah. Oh [bleep] dude. [bleep] dude. Triillions. Like And you’re like, “Oo, we get to take out Saddam, too. [bleep] yeah. Let’s go. Jorge. Eric. Oh, you want me to go? I’ll go. Uh, I don’t I don’t usually do this, but I’m kind of with Sean. Oh my Wait, say that one more time. I’m with Sean. Wow. I I I Cuz it it makes a little bit of sense.

Mhm. We [bleep] up for nine years. We couldn’t find him at all. And you can’t. And then all of a sudden, we just found him. You can’t take You can’t take the blame. You You can’t It makes you look so inept. Yeah, like being the biggest, strongest King dick. Like, and I’m not saying the Obama administration did any I mean, they weren’t trying to nefariously do anything horrible, but it makes sense that he was already dead. Yeah. And then they were like, you know what? [bleep] And I agree with Eric. I don’t think the Obama administration like knew it. Like I think they I think they found out they probably found they probably found out where he died.

like probably found like and they were like [bleep] Mhm. They were like we need we need to like PR the [bleep] out of this. Wait, so then did they know before the raid? Yes. I think they knew before the raid I think they found out. So why why is such a big deal about the raid? They’re they’re in the they’re in their room, you know, they got evidence of that. Whatever. They needed the win. The raid was the win. So it was the son. I that’s my theory. my theory it was his son and then they threw his son overboard. But like I think they they knew before the raid cuz they were like we need to put an end to this.

We need a nice clean close. Yeah. Where the US comes out on top and we’re the kings of the universe. Wow. And they were like [bleep] it. That’s why I think when it came down to it they’re like oh you know the 30% 60% 90%. Yeah, they they probably found out. They’re like he’s we we found his buried corpse in like [bleep] Islamabad. Like straight up DNA 100% match. And also there’s a interesting thing. They’re like, “Oh, the DNA 99.9% match.” His son has the same DNA. Mhm. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I thought about that, too. Yeah. So, like you can get a DNA match, but then you can’t if there’s no body confirmation, you’re like, “Oh, we got the DNA, though.” Yeah.

Yeah. And you know, truth be told, re-election happened the next year. 100%. So they they needed a win. They needed to have a win. Yeah. That was that was basically going to be like my my angle on it. The the whole election and all that. Yeah. The election. But I do think that it was him. Oh. Oh, yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Why did they explain? Well, I think I think that they they found him and you know, they got they went in there. They got him. Okay. Okay. But then they didn’t know how to handle like how to handle it afterwards and the PR or like you know how do we bring this to American people but also politically how do I like handle it?

So they thought like the right play was like dump him off the ship. Yeah. Like get get rid of it. Get rid of the body. But that no photos. No. Well supposedly there’s photos but we don’t get you know we don’t get to see them. You’re not going to get to see everything. There’s documents and there’s information about the investigation 9/11 and we don’t get access to everything like you know some of it. Sure. That’s true. That’s a good point. You would think Trump would have released him. No, but just out of the thing. Yeah. So, I think that he went through with that ceremony cuz I think it’s obviously we needed a win and then he needed to get reelected.

So he needed to get light and he needed to get a huge dub, like a giant dub 100%. So I think they just once again kind of like [bleep] it up and how they handled it. Um I don’t think that they handled it right. I think it would have been way better to get some clear transparency on it and all that, but they didn’t do that. Yeah. And but I do think that they found him that night. Okay. I think like that’s just such a wild like miscalculation by the PR team. I also think he was he was being protected by the Pakistan. I think he bought, you know, he bought his There has to be He bought his security.

Especially when you think about like Eric had pointed it out and I like wanted to say something about it, but I didn’t was like this whole compound was like 50k. And I’m like he like pays off some like Pakistani guy. I’ll give you $3,000. And he’s like, “Wait, say that again.” Yeah. How much money? He’s like, “I literally feed like generational wealth.” Yeah. Like I’ll buy a farm. I’ll buy anything. I’ll be [bleep] rich. All right. Well, uh, yeah. Don’t agree with Jorge. I don’t at all. Yeah. All right. Yeah. All right. Well, what do you guys think? We want to know what you think.

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