Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. My name is Eric Jorge and Sean. I hope you guys are doing well. Yeah, enjoying your uh morning, evening, and afternoon, whatever it may be for you. Yeah. As we continue this this story of uh 9/11 as thorough as we can possibly get. But before we jump into the conspiracy section of this series, uh we need to shout out our Patreons. Yes. Okay. Uh so we got Carol C with a yearly. We got Cheyenne with a yearly. We’ve got Jana L with a yearly. We got Morgan I with a Conspirators. And then we got Lucas D. I love your last name.

I love their equipment and their vacuums. But Lucas D [laughter] with a yearly. We’ll let that know what I’m saying. All right. So, that’s what we got. Um, and then we’ll we’ll read the the rest on the next episode. Without further ado, this is the actual beginning of the conspiracies. That’s right. So, if you wanted to support the show, go to patreon.com/theconspiracy podcast. Do it. Okay. [clears throat] So, let’s talk conspiracies finally. Yeah. You know, I know it’s it’s kind of weird because like throughout the episodes we’ve like alluded to it. Yeah. And it’s been very tertiary on like the conspiracies, but now we’re actually going to be discussing them.

Like I know people are probably like, “Come on, what the like why aren’t you just saying it?” Like Yeah. I thought the best place to start um would was money. Um Oh, yeah. Follow the money. Yeah. And so that’s usually the cause. This this one looks the most like an actual smoking gun the moment you hear about the raw numbers. Okay. And then Sean can help us a little bit on definitions because we’re going to get into a little bit of financial speak. Yeah, for sure. Okay. So, a put option is a financial bet that a stock is about to fall. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. On September 6th, 2001, 5 days before the attacks, someone bought an unusually large amount of put options on United Airlines.

Yes. On September 10th, the day before the attacks, someone did the exact same thing with American Airlines. So, I mean, that’s a super con. So, those are the two airlines that were hijacked. now and it wasn’t just someone, right? It was like I think it was a few people uh but just the volume in general the volume so the volume was excessive which um when I looked it up it was like hundred times 100 times more than the than the normal volume that you would see in this stock. And to put it in perspective I just want people to understand like the reason that this is such a thing especially if you’re you’re investing and you’re you’re you’re doing puts.

So puts is what’s your short you’re in essence you’re shorting a stock. So you’re you’re betting a stock is going to go down. So in essence what what happens when you when you execute it like you and you in essence get the money for a stock. Let’s say it’s like you buy one. So they’re going to be like okay great. We’re going to give you the money of the stock at the current price. Let’s say it’s let’s say for ease of sake it’s $5. Yeah. So then they’re like okay. So then when you sell it at a later point in time, let’s say it goes down to $1, you give them $1 back.

Meaning you just made $4 out of a thin air. Yeah. But the on the flip side of that, you can lose infinity. Like if zero Well, no, you can lose infinity. When you short, it could go up to it could go up to infinity. Yeah. So meaning like you like you obviously there’s a there’s a maximum gain you can make when shorting cuz it can only go to zero. Zero is like the limit. But let’s say if like you you shorted one stock for $5 and the stock goes up to $5,000, you now owe $4,995 per share. Yeah. Yeah. Per per one that you do.

So that’s why it’s like it’s a you can make a lot of money because you know you Well, if you’re shorting it, but if you got a put option, it’s just a contract. Yeah, put is a contract for sure. I was just I wanted to explain like theory the dynamics behind you didn’t understand it like if somebody was brand new to the world the way I understand it well I mean basically what Sean said but the way I understood it uh when I was learning it is very easy like for me if I think about a house so like housing market right you buy a house for to make the math easy 100 grand you’re essentially selling it first for 100 correct so if the market goes up and now that house is worth 200 you got to buy it back for 200 which means you you owe 100 on.

Yeah. So, so a put a put option is like that’s it’s it’s the same it’s it’s virtually the same concept. Yeah. Okay. But it is but it is a it is a contract for e I believe a specific amount of time. Mhm. Yeah. Like it expires. Yeah. There’s an expiration on it. Yeah. Okay. Which does matter for this because the options that people were buying were super short term. Yeah. Extremely short. Like a week out. So, is it safe to say that the shorter the option, the riskier it is? No. No, not necessarily. No. Okay. The stock could not move. The stock could do nothing.

But, but when you put down millions of dollars on it in in such a short amount of time, like we’re talking about like a week out and also another thing that matters is like I don’t know, it’s kind of complicated, but like how far out the option is like meaning like you’re betting that the price is going to be Yeah. way way further. But if if you do if you get a contract that expires on Friday, next Friday, then it has to move now. Yeah. And you lose your you lose your thing, right? These contracts were were very far out of the money. It’s called like just very like like betting that it was going to move a lot gambling.

Yeah. It’s riverboat gambling. Yeah. This is not like a a put option for SpaceX that’s eight years out or I mean three years out. Exactly. where it’s like there’s a lot of time for the market to like catch up and like obviously when something IPOs you know it the it always goes up then goes down typically that is typically what you see especially in the technology space. Yeah. So like yeah like doing a short short-term option is isn’t the smartest like a lot of play idea. It’s a lot of play and obviously like if it’s it depends on the type of stock you’re you’re doing it on.

Yeah, obviously there’s stocks that it just but at one semi-logical way I could think about it though is that say an earnings report was going to come out at the end of the month and I’m like this is going to be a trash earnings report. I absolutely believe in this. So I’m going to take a I’m going to get a contract that’s for the end of the month super short term. Yeah. But see that you’re doing it around a catalyst. So that that makes sense. There’s like some sort of catalyst that you know is going to happen. In this case, there is no perceivable catalyst to cause it, you know, and obviously the theory is that the catalyst is the knowing something.

Yeah. The the attacks and obviously you’re going to people are going to dump stock within a plane that crashes into a building. There was some news around these airlines that there was like some some trouble again coming up in earnings, but it was far out. Yeah. And uh well I have a couple points of that. Yeah, I have a couple we’ll see if we can you know analyze that. But to Jorge’s point earlier, the volume itself is what makes this worth taking seriously because it’s on record and this is not a fake thing. No, I mean there this is not made up. Yeah, we’re not we’re not making these numbers up.

That’s transparent. That has to be reported. Yeah. SEC is is tracking all the Yeah. On an ordinary trading day, the ratio of puts to calls on a stock like this sits somewhere close to one one. Meaning, there are the same amount of people betting that it’s going to go up as there are betting that it’s going to go down. Generally speaking, on American Airlines on September 10th, that ratio spiked to somewhere around 6:1. So, six times more people betting the stock would fall than betting it would rise. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, six times more people betting that it would go down. That’s weird. Is interesting.

Yeah. A finance professor named Allan Poteshman actually studied this formally years later and published his findings in a peer-reviewed academic journal called the Journal of Business. His conclusion in his own words was that the trading pattern was quote consistent with informed investors having traded options in advance of the attacks. Mhm. So his analysis said that people they knew something like that the only thing that would make it make sense is if they knew something like that type of event was going to happen. So that is a 10-year academic publishing in a respected finance journal with no reason in the world to sensationalize anything. That’s I mean that’s I did not know that.

I did not know about that guy. I mean it is. And that’s for the conspiracy if you missed that. [laughter] in case you were wondering. Yeah. Pro conspiracy. So sit with that for a second because that’s not a conspiracy forum. That’s not uh it was what it called like the business journal. Yeah. This is not a random thread on Reddit or 4chan or whatever. Some deep dive. Yeah. So, it didn’t stop at the two airlines. Morgan Stanley occupied more office space inside the World Trade Center than any single other tenant on Earth. And Morgan Stanley saw unusual options activity in the same window. So did Meil Lynch.

So did AIG, which is that major insurance giant. An Israeli counterterrorism research institute ran its own numbers just 10 days after the attacks and estimated that whoever ended up on the correct side of all of this trading walked away with somewhere in the neighborhood of about $16 million in about 24 hours. Wow. 24 hours. [clears throat] But I mean, you would think it doesn’t seem like a lot of money in in the grand scheme. You would think it’d be like bajillions, especially the insurance one that we went over. Yeah. Well, the the four 3m like a lot of money, but it does seem suspect. I mean, it’s it’s super sus.

And it is I just One wouldn’t think that you would not say anything over for 16 male. What do you mean? Right. Meaning like if I like had this insider in like would I be like oh I’m willing to like destroy my own integrity over 16 mil you know and then in the in the two in 2001 what’s that probably like 30 40 mil yeah I mean don’t get me wrong today number difference for for the for the work a day world that is an absurd obscene amount of money it’s but we’re we’re talking of magnitude yeah like people if someone knew about this it would be billions.

Yeah. Like it would be absolute like like look at the people that made the that made the money on the 2008 crash right when they were they knew a couple people made it. Granted the the data was the data was there they just didn’t want to look at it. So that the people who like were looking at it they made billions right doesn’t mean they caused it. No, but like but I’m saying you I would I would assume that it would be in the billions of dollars if there was like some insider who’s like, “Oh, I know something’s going down.” I agree. Cuz it’s not worth it.

Yeah. It’s like over it just or or like I just don’t think you would have you don’t you’re not you’re not your dick’s not big enough to be like be in the realm of knowing this is going to happen over 16 mil. Okay. So, the obvious question, who who was it? Like who where did it where did it where did it come from? Right. Um, and the actual 9/11 commission and the SEC both went after this directly. The commission’s final report states plainly that unusual trading did in fact occur, but that every single instance once investigated all the way down to the paper trail and the account holder returned back just circum like not enough coincidental moments of I just believe the airline industry is going down.

Yeah, it was like like you know Bill Stevenson was this like you know what’s what’s messed up is it was only those two airlines that saw this volume spike you know if it was like the airlines are like all airlines Yeah. Yeah. Like the airlines are in trouble or like some sort of like you know something going on with the economy whatever or I mean I guess like to try to think of it from like the Eric point of view I’ll call it. [laughter] Yeah. the Eric perspective is like well maybe maybe those were like the two like lowest on the total normal at the time of the airlines.

Well, one thing that I thought of that is a possibility and it only is because that we did the research before and if you haven’t listened to the earlier episodes go back and listen to them almost one for one the capacity of those planes were not doing very well. No. Oh, that’s true. No, they were like they were like half. Yeah. So meaning like people on one of them that we said so like or 40 there was 40 on on uh United 93 but I think the one that hit the Pentagon is the one we were talking about. It’s not a lot of people. Yeah.

But so point being is is I know that’s just a sample size but move the hijacking stuff aside and maybe they were just the ones that weren’t doing the best. Yeah. I don’t know. Okay. But it’s a data point. It’s a it’s a little But here’s some more info on it. The single largest chunk of that United Airlines put volume traced back to one American institutional investor. And in that exact same window, that same investor was also purchasing 115,000 shares of American Airlines stock. Oh, so they were they were hedging. Yeah. So they were doing puts on United and calls on Yeah. They were they were You see how you see how if you were the investigator at at the SEC Yeah.

You’re like, “This same account did calls too.” Yeah. Yeah. It’s just it’s just you’re hedging because like it was very common. If I’m wrong, then I can like at least recoup some of the losses on this on the other side of the coin. But if but if you’re right, then the right kind of recoups it and that you’re Yeah. Yeah. That’s like like there’s different types of like arbitrage investing where like people like will literally bet against and bet against in four players in the same industry like just you know trying to trying to get an edge. Now one thing that I don’t like is this next piece of information.

So in 2010 someone filed a Freedom of Information Act okay request asking the SEC to release the complete case file on the put options investigation that they did. M the SEC’s response was that those records had been destroyed. That’s destroyed. That’s such [laughter] such See, that’s where I’m like, see, that to me is the sketchiest part of this whole thing. Yeah. That they destroyed it. But they quoted that they do a routine document retention schedule. That’s true. This is a fact. Applied to closed investigations after a certain number of years. Well, there’s also there’s a lot of rules that SEC has in terms of uh document retention even for all publicly traded companies.

I the longest one it’s usually like I think five years is like the typically like the max amount of time that the legally required years later. This was nine. That’s like so like that is true just cuz I’ve seen the SEC law on it. Although the biggest terrorist attack would just hold on to it. You might you might make an exception to that rule, you know. I don’t know. But it’s also the the rule also. Why do why do we have to get rid of this stuff? This file is like No, the rule doesn’t say digitization should make it so we don’t have to get rid of documents, right?

No, but the the the rule doesn’t say you just destroy it. It says like you have to you don’t need to hold on to it afterwards. Is it like your taxes a little bit like you can’t get audited? You ever hear that from the IRS? Mhm. Like you don’t need to keep your Yeah, I think it’s like 5 years. I think it’s 5 years from keep the paperwork. Yeah. So the rule shoe box with receipts. The rule doesn’t say like oh like just destroy everything after a certain amount of time. It’s just like you you don’t have to keep things. Yeah. And Yeah. Yeah. I mean like look sure you can keep that but even so I thought I could keep every word I I have to go through my laptop.

I’m like don’t need this. Don’t need my high school book report. like delete. Yeah. Now, now these people were also interviewed by the FBI, so maybe it’s also like, okay, they’re cleared. They’re like, maybe that’s why they got rid of it. Well, this was by the SEC because that’s the regulatory arm of finance and they say there’s nothing left to find. Yeah. So, I’m saying it’s like case closed like Yeah. They’re like, “Delete it.” Especially after the 911 commission. which was so shoddily done by the way. So Okay, that’s the that’s the I mean that’s the creepy put options happening the day before. It’s definitely sketch but it’s not unrealistic.

It’s not. It’s possible because I mean you have the American economy massive massive massive. Yeah. Hundreds of thousands of people putting weird bets at weird times. No, but the amount the volume is definitely sketch. But also to me the most sketch is that it was only those two airlines. That is sketch. Not not the not not the other ones. Delta. Yeah. Delta cuz if usually like you have a sector so like one is going down the other ones are going to come down. Yeah. You know I don’t know what were the other ones at that time. Do you remember? Probably uh Delta. Delta. Uh was JetBlue around there?

No. I don’t know. I don’t think they ever been. Southwest. No. [clears throat] I don’t think so. Yeah. I’m trying to think of like Panam. [laughter] Not that long ago. Yeah. All right. This is interesting. I don’t know thoughts on thoughts on that before we move on. I did not know about the uh Morgan Stanley options. Yeah, I had just heard about the um the airline ones, but yeah. No, the Morgan Stanley just said that they saw the unusual activity. Yeah, but they were one of the biggest tenants there and Oh, we I see. I see. We’re saying the World Trade Center. Yeah. All right, moving along.

Yeah, it’s just like I can’t Yeah. It’s not a It’s not to me it’s not big enough to be a smoking gun. I just don’t think that they would, you know, like willingly allow that many lives to be lost over 16 million cuz Yeah. Yeah. They make that every day. I know. They make that It’s every second. It’s like 16 million like dude it’s it’s zero dollars to them. Like it’s no money to us. Obviously, it’s huge amount of money. Huge huge amount of money. Okay. to the next part and this is the military response. On the morning of 9/11, the United States military was not merely caught off guard by a surprise attack.

It was at that precise moment in the middle of running live training exercises, at least one of which had a hijacking scenario written directly into the training exercise. The largest was called Vigilant Guardian, a regular scheduled NORAD command exercise that in September 2001 was simulating a cold war style bomber attack originating from the Soviet or the former Soviet Union. Running alongside it was a second operation called Northern Vigilance, which of names for these? [laughter] It which had pulled a real portion of the country’s available fighter jets off the east coast entirely. Oh, that’s why they only had like two in the apparently. And do you know where they were repositioned?

Alaska. I was going to say Alaska just [laughter] as a joke, but I can’t believe that it’s actually Alaska. Yeah, they were they were positioned ala in Alaska in the Canadian Arctic specifically to shadow the Russian military exercise that happened to be unfolding during the same week. So, you know, we’re very close to Russia on that side. So, specialists and intelligence people were going like, hey, you know, if we were going to be attacked by Russia or the Soviet Union, where would it come from? Yeah. You know what I mean? It would come from over there. I mean, here and here’s where you get into the right here’s where you get into like how many coincidences can there possibly be?

I know just so happen to be putting these option calls in there just so happen to be taking all of our like but also like why do you need all the planes for this exercise? Yeah. Like wouldn’t you think remember what was it? We they left like four. No, they left seven, you know. But like over here on the east Yeah. Remember remember we were talking about how they had like two in the northeast two in the the east and then there was like one more in like Oklahoma or something. But like what just from like a from like a a standardized def like level of like you should always be prepared.

It just seems like very lacking like we should at least have like 50% of the fleet available at any given time. Yeah. And then you take 50% there and then you take then they come back and you take the other 50%. Yeah. Like why leave it like it’s it just it’s like this reminds me of a Pearl Harbor type thing. Yeah. Where they’re like me we don’t do we really need the nets up. And what’s crazy is our next section that we’re not there yet is called the new Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbores. It’s like cuz it wasn’t. It just like seems like very like lz fair attitude but you know but then again like you know you have the 90 you know the 90,000lb gorilla in the room which is the US like no one would ever with us right so maybe it’s just like negligence because no one would ever have the balls to do it is that like the view I don’t I don’t know yeah the arrogance yeah that’s like the arrogance of like oh no one would ever dare do that.

So, as a recap, on that precise morning that real hijackers took control of four American commercial aircraft, a meaningful share of the country’s available air defense had been deliberately repositioned towards Alaska. It just Yeah, it just h Okay, next part of this. I mean, but here’s the thing is I’m not saying that they could have stopped it from happening. Sure. But maybe you could have stopped one of them. That’s right. Maybe maybe United 93 and maybe even the Pentagon. Yeah. Like if you can stop one of them, like you’re saving lives. Yeah. If you remember on one of the episodes, I think it was like the very first one we were talking about um the hijackers and we mentioned like it just was a random Tuesday.

Maybe it was not so rand. M I mean [clears throat] this seems like I mean I already it’s just when you when they’re all together like you whenever you think about it you’re always like thinking like okay but you’re not realizing like all these things are happening all in the same like 48 hours. Yeah. All these Yeah. coincidences all within a like this a tiny period of time. Okay. So, the National Reconnaissance Office, the intelligence agency that operates America’s spy satellite network, has its headquarters in Virginia, roughly 4 miles from Dulles Airport. That same morning, the NRO had an emergency response drill of its own scheduled to begin at 9.

Oh my god. The scenario their internal wargaming division had built for that drill was planned weeks ahead of time involved a small aircraft suffering a mechanical failure and crashing into into one of the towers at their own headquarters. Okay. I was I thought you were going to say one of the twin towers like what is going on right now? But that was the scenario or that was the drill was that it was going to crash into a plane crashing into a building. Yes. But by mechanical failure, not hijacking. Yeah, sure. An NRO spokesman later told the Associated Press in his own words that it was quote an incredible coincidence, okay, that this happened to involved an aircraft crashing into our facility and that exercise was cancelled the instant the hijackings became known to us.

Too many coincidences already. Mhm. because it just it’s impossible for it’s impossible that all the coincident that’s it’s I mean with all these things it’s like okay cool you win the power ball and the mega and the mega millions simultaneously while getting in a in a head-on collision with a Tyrannosaurus Rex and being struck by lightning coincidence. It’s just all the coincidences. So, a plane into a building drill at a spy agency four miles from Dulles scheduled 9:00 a.m. on 911 and taking and and taking the majority of your of your airfleet to Alaska. Yeah. To like drill the Russians. So, I mean, when you read that to somebody or when you tell that to somebody, it’s anybody in their right mind would go, “That’s weird.” Right.

And then and then this will probably play into the whole thing that these people keep writing in and like you’re looking at things through the through the the prism. You’re looking at through the prism of like today’s That guy got Sean got I was [laughter] revved up. I was I had to I had to take Harvey to the that I was revved up [laughter] and I’m like dude okay somebody had commented which you know whatever which we totally fine. We get the feedback. It’s fine. But he had said that we are our entire series that we’ve been doing has been in the prism of of post 911 as opposed to pre 911.

So that every word we’re saying is nonsense. Yes. But it’s like I’m sorry if if you say it that way, it’s like why do we even look at history? What’s the point of even reading history? Yes. Oh well, you’re not reading it from the from the prism of of 1222 AD. I’m like, “Well, of course I’m not cuz it was just be ridiculous.” Yeah. Like, I’m a different man. Like, and I was telling the boys, I’m like, “Dude, I was in sixth grade. Like, I I can’t I can’t have the same viewpoint as I did back then because I’m not a child anymore. I’m an adult and like think I’m I have lived my life.” And like I I have to look at things through the lens of today right now.

That’s right. Actually, I looked it up. Uh 26% of our listeners, all you guys out there, 26% of you were not born after. Yeah. Weren’t alive in the moment. Born after 9/11. You guys really making me feel like a boomer. I Yeah. I mean I mean that is wild. It is wild. It is crazy. Yeah. So it’s like they had to found out about this later, you know? No, but and hopefully this series that we’re doing helps that. I wonder if this guy would tell him if they’re why why aren’t they looking at [laughter] through the prism through the prism of pre9 pre201. How are you supposed to teach the new generation?

Well, that’s what I’m saying. It’s like if you’re not doing the prism. No, but the point is like how how do you advance as a civilization if you’re only viewing things from how things were before? Like this is a new world. There’s new things are different. It’s like sorry. It’s like, “Oh, do you use the internet?” Yeah. Like, “Oh, oh, oh, oh, sorry, bro. You can’t use you can’t use the AI because you’re not looking at through the prism of of pre201.” Like, so obviously AI didn’t exist, so you can’t use it cuz it’s not through the prism. So, anyways, I’m not I don’t want to like I want people to write even if it’s like, you know, we did something wrong or something.

I’m totally fine with that, but doesn’t mean I’m going to defend myself. Yeah, that’s kind of the problem with the the reviews and the comments is generally we can’t we can’t reply. No. Yeah, it’s unfortunate. True. Okay, so the obvious question is what actually happened once the the hijack plane started showing up on the same radar screens that the simulation was happening? Yeah. Do you think they just ignore it? Mhm. So this is part uh so the 9/11 commission asked exactly that question and its findings run against the theory rather than in favor of it. Of course, General Ralph Eberhart who commanded NORAD that day told investigators it took roughly 30 seconds for the room to shift from exercise mode into real world.

But then they have no planes to send. So it’s like there’s That’s right. So, in in in NORAD’s defense, exactly what Sean’s saying. They’re like, “We knew there was a problem. Nothing we can do about it.” Yeah. Our planes are literally off the shores of Anchorage. It’s like nothing. Whatever. You know. Yeah. I don’t know if that’s exactly where they [laughter] were. So, you know, like, you know, come at us. Okay. You guys did such bad research. Yeah, I know. Yeah. So the actual documented failures of that morning came down to outdated radar handoff procedures between the separate air traffic control facilities. You know because there were multiple Boston air traffic control, New York air traffic control, etc.

Do la um and delayed and inaccurate information about where they were physically in the sky. Not a confusion between the training exercise and the reality, but the fact that they didn’t know where the planes were. Dude, this is all I am like my theory is like coming to get like Dude, I coming together. Oh, dude, it’s like all the all the dude all the puzzle pieces are starting to click into place. Yeah. Like I wanted to say it now, but I can’t. So, one thing though that doesn’t really get mentioned a lot is the entire continental United States that morning had exactly 14 fighter jets sitting at alert status ready to scramble.

And I’m not saying eastern seabboard. I’m talking about the United States. Total the entire US. Entire US had 14. The third largest land mass on the planet have had 13. Yeah. And like look, the federal jets are amazing. They’re fast. They’re thin. But it’s like they still have to travel and they still have limited they have limited fuel capacity because they’re meant for certain, you know, you you execute the thing and you go back or you refuel midair. It’s like you you can’t like it’s hard for like, oh, okay, you got to scramble some dudes out of California. Like, yeah, they’ll make it there, but how long is it even how long does it take a a a 2001 fighter jet to go from LA to New York?

I mean, if they’re going 2 hours, if they’re going if they’re going like fast. Yeah, probably two. I mean, think about it this way. It’s like, how long does it take you to fly in a commercial jet going 5 600 miles an hour? 5 hours. Tampa to LA, 5 hours. 5 hours. Exactly. you’re going you’re like 500 that’s 5 600 56 600 miles per hour. So like okay they’re going like let’s say they’re going 1,000 you know they get there in two two two and a half hours. So if that were true and they’re going to be out of fuel. They’re going to run out of fuel like they’re going to be empty by then they get there.

So let’s just say half of them were on the west. Mhm. Let’s just say I don’t have that data. So I’m not but but those guys the the fighter jets there would have arrived after the towers came down. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Which is past 10:00. So I’m saying if you don’t have anything on the like if you only have like four on the east coast that’s all you got. Like that’s that’s what you got. And then I remember when we were discussing it it’s like they didn’t know what they were looking they didn’t they didn’t even know where they were like they were just like be in the air like just be around.

So it does to me this section as we move on to another section but this section does tell me that I don’t blame NORAD. No. And it doesn’t seem like NORAD had any sort of fault in Yeah. Exactly. Like they were on alert very quickly, but there there’s there’s physically nothing they could do. The only way that a conspiracy could exist is some random scheduling of a similar war game at the same time as like a not a diversion but a right. Like move move them away. Well, yeah. Kind of like sending all your planes to Alaska. Yeah. What a interesting diversion. Yeah. Well, yeah.

You can’t stop it from happening. See, this is I’m tell I’m not okay. I’m not going to talk. I’m start I’m start getting into my the Oh, yeah. Okay. That’s why I’m like I’m Yeah. [snorts] All right. All right. Anything else on that before we move on to the to the next? I’m just like suppressing my theories [laughter] like like I’m not used to this. I had to wait another two episodes to say what I really think. So, this is the new Pearl Harbor section that we were talking about. Okay. Okay. Okay. September of 2000, not 2001, so a year prior, a Washington think tank called the Project for the New American Century published a 100page policy paper titled Rebuilding America’s Defenses.

I also I feel like that this is like the villain group in like a Marvel comic. Just this is the you read the the project for the new American Century. Like, isn’t this Wait, wasn’t that what they were called in Handmaid’s Tale? Like, [laughter] this is like I don’t I really don’t like the name of this place. It’s a little too on the nose. I just hate it. Like, something it just It feels wrong, doesn’t it? It feels wrong to me. The people connected to that organization were not nobodyies. Several of them were on to hold some of the most powerful national security positions in the country.

The moment that the Bush administration took office four months later, Paul Wolofwitz became Deputy Secretary of Defense. Okay, big. Uh, do you remember Scooter Libby? Yeah. Became Dick Cheny’s chief of staff. Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney had both personally signed the organization’s founding statement of principles back in 1997. sketch alongside a number of other names that would end up running Washington DC within the next decade. Yeah. I mean, when everyone’s coming from the same like little group, don’t like that at all. Yeah. Cuz like what are your founding principles? You center the the project for the expansion and domination of the universe. Like Jesus. Okay. So buried on page 51 of that document is a single sentence that has been quoted more than almost anything else connected in this entire story.

The authors are arguing that the sweeping military transformation that they want to see will likely take a long time to accomplish. And then they write this word for word. The process of transformation even if it brings revolutionary change is likely to be a long one. absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor. [snorts] Great. [groaning] Okay. Okay. I mean, you could expect something like that from Well, I I’m just saying like it’s in writing and it’s not this is not a this is not something that we as just pulled randomly. This is writing and was this was the sitting vice president of the United States and he founded this Yeah.

Dog dog. And they already knew about like Bin Laden uh you know publicizing the the intention of al-Qaeda. And then what do you know? And guess what happens right after that? All the sweeping reform. Mhm. You mean after 911? Yeah. After 911 war. Oh yeah. Patriot Act. Let’s go. Let’s get boots on the ground everywhere. Yeah, we need to be everywhere. And what do they say? Like this is all about the defense of America. And what what’s the stupid thing? The best defense is a good offense. Like saying best offense a good defense. Same thing. It’s like yeah, what’s the most defensive thing if you’re just there already and like people Oh, oh, you want to do something against us?

Well, like you know, our three battalions of of of of troops here y we’ll just like march on your capital and like burn your to the ground. It’s a It’s really It’s a It’s a good It’s a deterrent. Like I don’t know if this is related at all, but you know what bugs the out of me is there’s a photo that chaps my ass chapped my ass bad. Uh there’s a photo of Dick Cheney watching the attacks. We posted on Instagram and his [clears throat] feet are up. Yeah. Vibribing. I don’t know why that bugs me. Yeah. Well, because it’s like it’s not it’s not a good like sociopathic tendencies are like watching like destruction just like chilling.

If you don’t believe me, look it up. Mhm. There’s a photo of him in his office with his feet up. I think his shoes are off, too. God damn it. And he’s literally in the background is the TV showing the towers are still up, but they’ve been hit. just it just this is a lack of emotional normaly there. Yeah. So a year later almost to the month the country received exactly that a catastrophic and catalyzing event and in the years that followed the country received a version of the exact military transformation that document had been arguing all along including a war in a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with the attacks themselves.

Yep. Iraq. Iraq. Mhm. And then like all of a sudden they were like, “Mhm, ah, Hussein, like this guy’s involved.” People who read that sentence for the first time already knowing everything that came after it tend to arrive at the same reaction that we have, which is, “How could you possibly write that down a full year in advance and then simply watch it happen almost precisely as you described in that document?” A new Pearl Harbor. I mean, that’s exactly what Pearl Harbor did. Like Pearl Harbor brought us to war. Obviously a war we eventually won and a war that solidified us as like the major superpower on Earth.

Um I mean and don’t get me wrong, it’s like it’s not a obviously people have mixed views. Like I think it’s a good thing that we stopped the Nazis for sure, but I wish that Pearl Harbor didn’t happen. Yeah. And then we just joined the you know the military effort for for different reasons other than you know Pearl Harbor getting blown up. Now some now just just a quick little thing about on the other side of that some people say if you read the entire document not just a sentence which we have just read a sentence that the picture shifts a little bit to try to bolster up the American military as a whole as it was supposedly lacking at that time.

Does that make sense? So it was more like a a statement of hey we need to bolster up the American military. No, but I mean I you take like any if you [clears throat and cough] you take a group like this, right? And and I hate to use the word cuz they’re not necessarily like radical, but you can have a rad like a a radical belief in that if in this and you if you believe something strong enough like the means will justify the ends in your view and you’re you’re totally justified to yourself that what you’re doing is for the greater good. Yeah. I mean, look at the we’ll take the we’ll take the COVID vaccine for for for instance like they you know whe whatever your views on it the people that were pushing it most of them I would say probably thought the means justify the ends they probably thought I’m willing to risk it I’m willing to push it out without it being properly vetted you know with the the years of standards because of the global catastrophe happening that they thought it was it was worth like is it worth it in the long game?

Like was it worth it for me? Was it worth it for you? Like for me, no, I don’t think it was. But like I’m obviously an individual. I’m just saying that like people will make psycho decisions because they truly believe it’s in the best interest of everything. Yeah. Like but I’m but I you know Hitler Hitler thought I just need to rule it all cuz I truly believe I’ll be I’ll do better than everyone else. I’m the one. Obviously, that wasn’t correct. Like that was like not the right view. It’s true. So, I’m saying like people will do things that we may find unconscionable, like impro improbable and like the worst possible thing ever, but they’ll do it because they believe.

Look at the suicide bombers. Like I’ll kill random innocent people because I believe that it’s for and the good of of my whatever my cause or my whatever the I’m just say people do psycho and like don’t put it past Nick Chain do some psycho you know right remember we also had not just gone through but recently the golf war right desert desert storm you know war so you know I’m just saying like that weighs on whatever the this committee or whatever was it called like the yeah committee the it was the project the project for [laughter] the defense of um American integrity blah but it is a real paper containing a real sentence written by a group of people who ended up 4 months later running the country running the country so you can chalk that up to either foresight or planning or coincidence it’s not a coincidence I don’t know about coincidence there’s too be coincidence.

Yeah. Yeah. And you see how these all See how like this all kind of ties together. It’s all the same coincidence. Yeah. I think we need to send all eastbound aircrafts to the other side of the planet. Let’s go. Mhm. Okay. George Tenant, he ran the CIA in the summer of 2001. Later described that period to Congress using a phrase that has followed him for the rest of his life. He said the system was in his own words blinking red. It was not what the what system? What? The American intelligence system. Oh, I see. Okay. Got it. I got it. It was blinking red. And it was not only American intelligence picking up on something.

Multiple foreign services repeat [clears throat] passed along warnings of their own. That summer, Germany’s intelligence service reportedly flagged concerns specifically about hijacked airliners being used as weapons against symbolic American targets. But how would the Germans find See, that’s See, dude, this is what I was saying. This is exactly what I was saying or like throughout this thing. And like they knew. Yes. Like if the the Germans are fighting, get Come on. Get the out of here. A Russian newspaper published a report warning that suicide pilots were training for a major attack. Egypt and Jordan both reportedly passed along pieces of intelligence pointing at something large in the works.

And MSAD reportedly handed the CIA a list of names that were suspected al-Qaeda operatives believed to already have been in the United States 7 weeks before 9/11. Yeah, bro. I mean, come on. You’re talking about like every intelligence agency on Earth. This is negligence, though. No. Or this? No, it is cuz they didn’t even they didn’t even pass that on to the FBI. They didn’t. I mean, they did eventually, but Well, negligence is the wrong negligence is the wrong word cuz negligence means that you’re just you let it slip because you’re not a like you have no aptitude. Like you’re just like, “Oh, whoops.” So, negligence is the wrong word.

You’re not organized properly to Yes. This is called information. What this is called is called omission. Meaning you have you have something and you omit it. You do not say it. You have information. You have intel and you omit it. You you you do not communicate this intel. So So it’s this is more like deliberate in deliberately. It’s not it’s not negligence means like you made a mistake. Yeah. Eop. Yeah. But if it’s your job, that’s different, right? Well, no. what you know what you use negligence is your job to to not to keep it yeah mean okay well so it’s one thing what do you no so it’s one thing let’s say let’s say I cheat on my taxes okay on purpose yeah on purpose and I mention I mention something to you Sean I’m like yeah you know I kind of like you know whatever and then you don’t do anything you’re like all right I have a distinct [clears throat] distrust of the tax system anyway I’m the wrong person bad analogy.

No, no, but but so you know of an illegal activity, correct? But I don’t say anything. So I’m an I’m an accessory. No, no, no. But you’re it’s not you don’t work for the IRS. No, it’s not your job. But the CIA’s job is that that’s different. You see what I’m saying? Oh, okay. So let’s say you were an IRS tax agent. Uhhuh. And then I said that I’d be like, I got to audit you now. Yes. That’s right. No, but No, but my point that’s all I’m saying is the difference. I got you now. I understand the the the difference, but the thing is like they had the intel.

It’s impossible for them not to. If the Germans are picking up on this, the Russians, yeah, everybody meaning that they just chose not to act on it. Mhm. On purpose. It wasn’t like, oh, it’s not a No, it’s that get Come on. Yeah. So, you stack all of that together in one place and it stops resembling an ordinary intelligence failure. It starts resembling a warning that nobody in power even wanted to hear or they didn’t know how to act upon it or they needed it to happen or wanted it to happen so that they could further their larger scale aims. So this is not a fringe theory.

This is a documented entire books around that exact question. This is not a Reddit theory. Yeah, exactly. M meaning it’s documented that those reports came in. Mhm. And it’s documented that nothing was done. That’s I’m That’s I’m telling you. That’s what I’m telling you. Like I’m sorry. It’s like we’re easily top three in intelligence on Earth. Probably top two with MSAD being the only one that’s better and that’s the only reason why we Yeah. because their intelligence agency is too good. But we’re number two. That’s it’s there’s no way they didn’t have an inkling. And we even tal we even discussed this that they had a mole in the cell.

They had an [laughter] asset in this cell. I mean, come on. So, it was not only foreign intelligence services sounding an alarm either. The FBI had its own field a field agents raising warnings that same summer in writing. And and we have those those documents, but those warnings never made it up the chain of command. And somehow the the commission’s like everything’s above board. I don’t see not one mistake. Like detain or or something like that. One of the one of the hijackers. Yeah, for sure. In Orlando. Yeah. An agent in Phoenix named Kenneth Williams. No, not not the Orlando one. That was a different one.

That guy was coming in through immigration. I’m talking about like there was Oh, they thought that’s why there was only 19 and not 20. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that’s the one that’s the Orlando, but I thought the FBI also had somebody I think it was Michigan and then Oh, then they let him go or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We talked I think we talked about that. Yeah. Well, so now and just so you guys know because there is going to be the trial of Mosawi. Mhm. And we’re going to get into that, but that’s a post 911. Yeah. So, we are going to get into that and so we’re going to touch it on here on it here, but just so you guys know because you’re going to be like, “Oh, you didn’t even bring it up.” But no, we are going to get into that in the after.

Um, but an agent in Phoenix named Kenneth Williams sent a memo to FBI headquarters in July of 2001, flagging an unusual number of Middle Eastern men enrolling in flight schools across Arizona. M and specifically in the memo recommended the bureau investigate who was behind it. That memo sat inside a system and it never was connected or delivered. I think that’s the one I was thinking about. Maybe it’s not. So 3 weeks later in August, agents in Minneapolis arrested a French national named Zacharias Masawi after a flight instructor grew suspicious that Masawi wanted to learn how to fly a commercial jet but had no interest in learning how to land it.

[laughter] Oh, all right. Now time the landing cord just like leaves. Yeah, [laughter] I’m out. Minneapolis agents requested a warrant to search his laptop. Headquarters turned them down. Masawi sat in custody straight through 9/11. And once investigators finally got into that laptop after 911, it contained information connected directly to the plot of al-Qaeda. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh my come on. I mean, it’s so odd. The more we talk about it, the more it’s so blat. I swear to God, Eric, if your summation is on some some I’m going to be so I’m going to be furious. I’m going to be so pissed. [laughter] Like, I’m I we might actually fight.

We’ll be homies afterwards, but like we might have to fight. So, again, we are going to go into the trial that happened after because Zacharias was put was put on trial and he’s the only one who was put on trial for 911 because the rest are dead. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. The next one. And this next one might be the single clearest documented failure in the entire episode because unlike a lot of what we’ve covered tonight, it isn’t about a vague warning or a general climate of alarm. It’s about two specific men whose names the CIA already had sitting in a file for a year and a half while they lived completely in the open under those exact names less than 2 hours from where they’d eventually board a plane.

Okay. And so that’s two of the hijackers. So on January 5th, 2000, the CIA was watching an al-Qaeda planning summit in Koala Lumpur, Malaysia. They photographed the men walking in. Two of those men were Khaled al- Mahhadar and Noif Alhazmi. And if you remember, those are the individuals that we showed the videos of them going through the security. Yeah. And it’s also probably two of the guys are flagged by CAP system. The agency had a copy of his passport and stamped inside it was a valid multiple entry visa to the United States. 10 days later on January 15th, both men flew into LA and were admitted as tourists using their real names.

No aliases, no disguises. They didn’t even hide it. Yeah. Real names on their apartment lease in San Diego. real names on the driver’s license, the bank account statements, their credit cards, the car they even bought was in his name. Hosi let the phone company print his name in the local phone book. I mean, like in May of 2000, they rented a room from a man they’d met at their mosque, and that man turned out to be an active paid FBI informant. See, but do you see how this is like like when you think about obviously like okay you’re reading it and your initial reaction is like how is this even possible?

Our apparatus is so sophisticated and we have all this manpower like how is it even failing? So but then how do you if you riddle me this if you were to want to frame the system as being inadequate? Yeah. How do you make it look so inadequate that you get immediate action to change it? You and you get everybody to back it up. Yeah. This this how do you make us look like or America’s the world’s strongest nation of of idiots? Like was completely inept. Yeah. Like I mean I mean gez no like apparatus that can like do anything. Our intelligence agencies assimilate. You can’t assimilate data, reports, anything.

No, that’s what I’m saying. Like, how do you It How do you make it look so inept that you can get sweeping Yeah. sweeping change across all parties involved? This This is how you do it. Yeah. So, his own handler never learned who was actually sleeping down the hall because the FBI had no idea the CIA even had these two men on the radar. So you had the the FBI informant was sleeping down the hall from the two hijackers. I mean this is like okay this is out of control. He was living in the same apartment as them and had no idea they were literally living inside of his apartment.

[laughter] Like what is going on right now? The CIA did not add either man to the State Department’s watch list. Did not notify the FBI. Did not flag them to immigration. didn’t flag him to border control. That information sat inside the CIA known internally to somewhere between 50 and 60 people according to the later accounting while Midhar and Hazmi lived openly under their real names for about 18 months. Yeah. So, see, it’s not just like one dude made a mistake. It’s like the whole the whole thing everybody’s like it’s the system, man. It it finally moved in August of 2001. A CIA officer detailed to the FBI started asking pointed questions about the Malaysia photographs.

And on August 23rd, Midhar was finally nominated for the watch list to be included. The FBI got the names on August 24th and sent out what’s been described as only a routine notice requesting an investigation. By then, both men were already deep into the final phase of planning that was about to happen. Midhar and Hosmi were aboard American Airlines Flight 77 and they hit the Pentagon 18 days later. [sighs] This is like pissing me off. This is pissing me off. So, that’s where we’re going to wrap up part one of the conspiracies. We don’t even have to call them conspiracies. I mean I mean I don’t even know what to call them.

The uh the factual events. Yeah. This is not [laughter] like it’s like well no it is a conspiracy because it’s it’s obviously like a crime was perpetrated and then these are the Yeah, that’s true. Yeah. the glaring. I mean, that’s cuz obviously like we in I think in at the beginning when we first started this podcast, we went over what a conspiracy actually is. And these are this is it. It’s two or more people Mhm. in goods conspiring to commit a crime. Yeah. And that’s what a conspiracy is. It’s true. And this is more than two people. Mhm. It’s true. But but a hundred people that are negligent, does that equal a conspiracy?

No. But this see like this negligence is but you also have to see like the why behind it. I think that plays into the conspiracy part you know it’s also do you understand like how like how these agencies operate it’s like they don’t what what you do when you get intel you get data and then you bring it to your superiors and they tell you whether or not to act to be actionable on it. Yeah. It’s not like I don’t believe that anyone who’s got into these posts like I said like my my uncle works for the DoD like like you don’t get into these positions cuz you like they don’t just accept every Tom, Dick, and Harry into the into the FBI.

Like you actually have to be smart and you have to be capable. But you can’t obviously not though. No. No. But obviously, right? No. That doesn’t mean that they’re not smart. No. No. Listen to me. Listen to me. No. But you can’t do anything unless you get approval. Y it’s just like red tape central. So you keep saying this word negligence. I don’t think it’s negligence. It’s you’re not getting approval to to be actionable on it. You go to your boss and he’s like no negligence but you’re not doing your job. Well because you’re not being you’re not being allowed to do your job. Okay.

Exactly. But so then yeah. So sure it could be negligence on the bosses but like this much come on. Yeah. Like at what point every angle every sector of the the government agency like at least you think one would be like okay look into it like just just take a look not busy. I [laughter] know one guy this one dude but nobody they don’t let anybody look at it. But we did we did hear stories of of you know like John O’Neal. He was the guy who was fired or was like let go and he died in the towers. He was head of like intelligence uh for the FBI for a while and he was trying to tell everybody Yep.

that attack was going is eminent. Mhm. So maybe there were a couple people but they just weren’t listened to. Well see what happens when you get fired. You make enough noise. Get out. You’re done. Yeah, I see. But that’s I’m telling you like it’s the higherups who are like, “No, you can’t do it.” Like, so that’s why I don’t I don’t think it’s negligence in the in the normal sense. It’s not like they missed it. They obviously didn’t miss it. It was right there like, “All right. Well, that’s what we got for you guys tonight. Um, we got a lot more next episode. We’re going to cover the executive director of the 9/11 Commission.

Uh, we’re going to we’re going to cover the Israeli office and what they provided. Um, we’re going to cover the the artists that were there ahead of time. Um, there were there were some artists that were there beforehand. There’s the E team. There’s the uh why did Bush uh take so long to respond? His connections to oil, you know, a lot of different things. Yeah, exactly. So, so there’s a lot more to go over in the next episode and so we we decided to turn this into two parts for the conspiracies. Yeah, cuz there’s there’s just too much to cover in one. And I know guys, like we’ve been doing longer episodes for this series and I don’t want you guys to think that we’re not being thorough.

And also, there’s limited banter on it because I don’t want to give away like my final summation because we’re we’re literally going to have an episode with just each of us going through and and telling what what we think the sequence of events was and and what we think actually transpired. Um, so typically when we when we’re going through the conspiracies, we’re we’re we’re like sh kind of just like blurting out what we think is going on and then at the end like we do it. So, this is a little more controlled. Typically, we don’t have like that many, but this is Yeah, like there’s no aliens in this one.

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