Welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. As a recap, the last few episodes we’ve gone over the tragic events of September 11th, 2001, where nearly 3,000 people were killed in the deadliest terror attack on American soil. Two planes hit the Twin Towers, a third hit the Pentagon. A fourth went down in Pennsylvania. Three steel framed highrises in New York collapsed completely. Now we get into the official investigations. Primarily the NIST reports and the 911 commission say the collapses are fully explained by aircraft impact damage and fire. A large body of independent researchers, architects, engineers, and first responders say the physical evidence does not line up with that explanation.

In this episode, we’re going to stay focused on New York. We’ll cover the Twin Towers, building 7, and the ownership and insurance situations surrounding the complex. I’ll lay out the official account, then the main inconsistencies and alternative arguments that continue to circulate. Once again, this is in no way meant to take away from the tragic loss of life that occurred on that fateful day. It is merely a review of the findings from a different perspective. American 11, are you trying to call? Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any move, you’ll injure yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet. We have some planes.

Just stay quiet and you’ll be okay. We’re sending to the airport. We have a a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York and we need you guys to we need someone to scramble some M16s or something up there to help us out. This is this real world or exercise? No, this is not an exercise. See two sides of the World Trade Center definitely affected by this crash. Black smoke continuing to to billow out there in a in a another explosion. Explosions, multiple explosions. Ladies and gentlemen, we just saw another explosion. Uh obviously we’re just watching it again. It’s the first time.

This is now this is the other tower, ladies and gentlemen. Another explosion at tower number two of the World Trade Center just happened live on our air. Uh today we’ve had a national tragedy. Uh two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country of one of the exchanges. There’s actually Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. We’re not sure exactly what happened, but it was another explosion on the far side of one of the buildings from where we’re standing. The ver the reverberation and another explosion on the right hand side. Another building has gone another building has gone up on the right hand side of the road.

People are now running down the street. We’re not sure if that was another explosion or if that was advanced debris. Today, our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly terrorist acts, despicable acts of terror. For tonight’s ceremonial first pitch, and please welcome [cheering] the President of the United States, [cheering] I also welcome the hearings because it is finally a forum where I can apologize to the loved ones of the victims of 911. To them who are here in the room, to those who are watching on television, your government failed you. Those entrusted with protecting you failed you.

And I failed you. We tried hard, but that doesn’t matter because we failed. And for that failure, I would ask once all the facts are out for your understanding and for your forgiveness. We must stop the terror. I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you. Now, watch this drive. There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more. Sodom Hussein has chemical weapons. Sodom Hussein has used such weapons. Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

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this we’re going to start we’re going to break this out um like like we mentioned in in the the intro that you listen to. Um this is going to be focused on New York. So this is going to be the Twin Towers building 7 and that’s what we’re going to be diving into for this one. On the next one we’ll get into the Pentagon. We’ll get into all those other topics but but this is just where we’re focusing on for this. So according to NIS so NIS I just thought it would be important for you to know it’s it’s a National Institute of Standards and Technology.

So that’s a that’s an agency of the United States Department of Commerce and their mission is to promote American innovation and industrial competitiveness. So this is who was heavily involved in these investigations. Okay. Obviously because these investigations were regarding building integrity and and and around that like that’s why that NIST was so when you hear that acronym said that’s that’s what that is. So, according to NIS’s multi-year investigation, the Twin Towers collapsed due to the combined effects of aircraft impact damage and subsequent multifloor fires. So, um, American Airlines Flight 11 struck the North Tower at 8:46 a.m. The United Airlines Flight 175 struck the South Tower at 9:03 a.m., which we’ve obviously gone into extensive detail on on the on the previous episodes, but I just want to give you the official kind of recount.

So both of them were Boeing 767s. They were traveling at high speed. So the impacts like and just a quick another thing, this is just the official account. Like I don’t want people to think like I this is me telling you what’s happening. This is just what we’re told. So the impact severed exterior columns. They damaged the core columns and widely dislodged the spray-on fireproofing from the floor trusses and columns. Okay. Mhm. So then jet fuel ignited large multifloor office fires which we obviously discussed and then they estimate that the peak gas temperatures reached approximately 1,000° C or 1,800° F for us Americans. Yeah. Uh so unprotected steel loses most of its strength and stiffness well below its melting point.

uh at roughly 600 to 700 degrees Celsius, it retains only a fraction of its room temperature capacity. Meaning metal is is is is a solid in its current state, but obviously metal can be liquid. Metal can even be gas at a high enough temperatures. So that’s what they’re alluding to. So the floor trusses heated, sagged, and pulled the perimeter columns inward. Video evidence shows clear inward bowing of the exterior walls on the impact and fire faces. Mhm. But we also remember in the previous episode we talked about how some of the firefighters had uh said that they they looked to to the apparency of Boeing with at the with the building.

So that’s another just kind of factoid there. So once those once those columns buckled, the upper sections began to fall. Uh the descending mass then overwhelmed the floors below in a progressive gravitydriven collapse. Collapse times from initiation were roughly 9 to 11 seconds for the exterior panels to reach the ground. NIST stated that they were not pure freefall. I think I might have uh given you the definition of of what freef fall is. That’s when something is is dropping. Gravity is the only driving force behind it. There’s no exterior influence. Obviously, there’s no pure there’s no such thing as pure free fall in Earth’s atmosphere because there’s air there’s obviously air resistance.

But in the sense of free fall, it means that like the building itself isn’t uh isn’t a variable. It’s saying it’s just falling and it’s just gravity and air and it’s not like the building itself. So, this states that there was no there was not pure freef fall. uh residual structural resistance existed but was quickly overcome by the dynamic overload visible. So just just basically too heavy like Yeah. stuff on top of stuff. They’re saying or levels on levels and levels. Yeah. So they’re saying okay so the main main support columns get get heated. They they lose some of their some of their strength in terms of like the force they hold gets overwhelmed.

gravity takes hold and that causes the systemic collapse to then go. And just to describe it a little bit more just um so they they can get it like so so the building it has like core columns in the middle. Correct. Those are the main the main those are the main ones but then it also has columns like all around. Yeah. There’s exterior columns. Correct. Yeah. Just surrounding like the whole perimeter and then like basically in between those two things is where the office floor was. Um, and the office floor was connected to the exterior and to the core. Correct. So both around it. Yeah.

Yeah. So, and they’re connected. And so when they start to melt, they’re they’re kind of like pulling on each other like the the exterior and the core. And so they’re kind of going inward if that kind of makes sense. It’s hard to describe obviously over Yeah. Like a like a like an visual. Yeah. It’s like so much better. You can see like it it’s it’s on they’re like it’s like a pinch. Imagine like you’re pinching something and like the pinch pulls in like if you if you pinch like your arm, it’s obviously pulling in outer skin as well as like the part that you’re pinching.

Yeah. So that’s like a analogy. Yeah. Um so visible streams of molten metal pouring from the south tower before collapse were identified by NIST as molten aluminum from the aircraft mixed with burning organic materials. M post collapse reports of molten metal in the rubble were attributed to residual heat, aluminum and other materials rather than pre-colapse steel melting. Yeah. So this this is what I was talking to you about which is that in some of the footage you can see lava molten. Yeah, you can actually see it. And you know anyways to your point there’s footage on of of it actually it looks like volcanic. Yeah.

So it starts like dripping down into the other floors and then it starts catching everything else on fire. Correct. We will we will get into this. This is not this is not going to escape our purview. [laughter] Promise you on that one. NIST examined the recovered steel samples, thousands of videos and and photographs and ran extensive computer simulations. It explicitly found no corroborating evidence for explosives or controlled demolition. Seismic records and audio did not show pre-colapse blast signatures consistent with demolition charges. Okay, so that is that is the that’s the broad overview of NIS’s findings. Obviously that NIS did go into a lot more detail, right?

This is just kind of the the a bridged version of like the the main key points. Exactly. So when did this when did this NIS report come out? So it came out in October of 2005. So it was four years. Yes. It was a fouryear investigation that that culminated in in these findings. Okay. And I I want people to understand that this isn’t like the this isn’t the real like summations conspiracy that we always do with every episode that we do. Yeah, I thought it was it would be good to have like kind of open discussion on the various inconsistencies and kind of alternative viewpoints that are had with these major things.

So then we can all be on the same page like okay things that we find that are odd or maybe things that like people think are odd but they aren’t that odd and then at the end when we do the final we’re we’re kind of we have all the ammunition to really give what we think happened. Yeah. All the data. So I’m just going to we’re going to kind of click down. I I did this in I I wanted this to be really in like a a discussion format. So I I’m just going to kind of go through points and we’re just going to kind of give our thoughts go through it.

Yeah. So uh regarding the twin towers, so both towers collapsed largely symmetrically and vertically through the path of greatest resistance instead of toppling or falling asymmetrically. So that that means is that they they in essence imploded. They they fall they fall fell downward as opposed to like when you Logically, when you’re thinking of like, okay, something is getting hit from outside. Boom. And you think of like these support beams, especially like the ones on the floors that were hit and there were fires. Those are the beams that are going to be weakened. Yeah. Like this is the way it is. Yeah. So, you one would think that those beams weaken and then the top kind of falls off.

Mhm. Yeah. You think you would think that that would be the case. Highspeed airliner hitting a tower. Then it would lean. Yeah. Exactly. You would think it would be some sort of fall collapse. Yeah. Like a fall over. Exactly. Yeah. And that’s what I always thought was I always thought was bizarre that they all they both imploded on. So it’s like the the the p typically like like water like you know water goes the path of least resistance. It’s going to it’s going to find a hole. It’s always find. Yeah. And like my that’s why my plumber loves me because it’s like it’s always finding a way out.

Yeah, but like why it’s it’s it’s the greatest resistance. And like I understand like sure heat makes metal weaker. It’s just what it does. Yeah. But that doesn’t the the plane [clears throat] didn’t hit the base of the tower. So why would So you’re saying you’re saying why didn’t it fall over compared to imploding down? Yeah. or or even if it does or even if the top the top part collapses, but why does the whole 100 plus story building collapse in on itself? I just think it’s I know I’m not a structural engineer, don’t get me wrong. I just think it’s odd. It’s the crux of everybody the conspiracy.

Yeah, it’s the main inconsistency. Why did it not or why did it do what it did? Like it seems like maybe it’s cuz it looks like control demolition when you look at it from look right when you’ve seen other buildings. I’ll admit it does look and also I mean I don’t I didn’t really put this as one of the points on this but it was just something that I was thinking about is that you know we talked about in 93 they detonated a bomb by the base beams in the garage and it didn’t collapse like like that was like on purpose they were trying to bring that down like and they didn’t.

So it just it just it’s just something to think about, you know, in terms of like Okay. Yeah. Not even close, actually. The 93. No, not even close. Not even remotely close. No. Like there was like no the power went out. Yeah. And I was like, “Oh shit.” Obviously, it was terrible and people died and it’s not like it was like lesser. It’s just something to think about. So then you know we talked about NIS findings but significant portions of the collapse uh the collapses occurred at or near freef fall acceleration. Critics say that requires near simultaneous removal of structural support across multiple floors. And I and we did touch on this and I was trying to explain what that means and just from a physics perspective is like if you’re going to fall at terminal velocity, terminal velocity means it’s the fastest speed you can go with air resistance.

That’s like the fact like if I jump out of a plane I can only go so fast because with the air against me like I can’t go any faster. Obviously in a in a vacuum you can go infinitely fast. You can just go for you just accelerate forever. Yeah. So it’s so what they’re saying is like if if something is to fall at or near freef fall especially in a building that large where there’s so much mass like it’s go and it’s going down which is the path of the most resistance in order for it to fall that fast the mass needs to be moved out of the way otherwise it’s just going to like imagine it’s like your trash imagine your trash can it’s like yeah I can throw a baseball in my trash can but the more trash it’s in there it’s just there’s no it’s can’t do any it can’t do anything like I have to move out of the way like in order for it to go down further.

So that is another massive Yeah. But in that analogy, you can comp compact the trash. Yeah. But so so like you put more on top. It just it can keep going down. You know what I mean? Like you you have the weight to bring it down. No, but you can’t but but you know steel and concrete only compact to the point of like I guess evaporating. I mean, obviously there was a lot of massive dust clouds, but to fall at that speed, though, that’s that’s the that’s the key. I’m not doubting that. Obviously, that much weight will pulverize concrete. No problem. Like, that’s without question at all.

But to fall at that rate of speed, you need to remove mass out of the way. It need like I don’t see any other way that it can move that fast without extra assistance to like remove mass. It’s like it’s the thing that’s there. And it fell into it fell into itself. If it falls over, I we’re probably not having this discussion. I mean, honestly, like I I don’t think I could really even talk about it if I was watching um what was it? It was called 102 Minutes. Uh it’s a great documentary. Okay. And um there’s no narrative or there’s no speakers, whatever. It’s all just footage of the 102 minutes from from impact from impact to collapse to collapse.

Yeah. And um I was thinking to myself, what if it did tip? Mhm. Like [clears throat] we saw them fall, but if it did tip, would it have been worse? I think that would have cost more wise or or conspiracy. No. And it cost more lives. Like if it tipped into another building and then that other building collapsed. What if they tipped? It would have been worse. Yeah. It would have been way it way worse. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought it was it was just an interesting like I mean maybe that maybe that goes into the the idea of the conspiracy itself. It’s like okay the least amount of damage.

Yeah. The least I mean you’re trying to you’re already willing to do something like that. You cause the le I don’t know. I mean, that’s obviously something I can’t really think with cuz I couldn’t think with every I know, right? We’ll save that for another episode. Yeah. The next one I’m It’s just like That’s why I was like, you know, which ones we think are legit and which ones we think are not. I mean, the next one is that concrete was pulverized into extremely fine dust over a wide area. I mean, I get why that’s an inconsistency where why someone would bring it up because you think of like things getting turned into dust.

You think of explosion, you know, like a bomb blowing something up. But the immense amount of weight, I think with that much weight, concrete is going to be it’s going to be vaporized. That weight and and the the height of it falling. I mean, if you take a cinder block and I don’t know, just go even couple stories, that is getting Yeah. disintegrated. So, kind of the same idea, you know, and that’s why I think this one’s okay, sure, fine. I just think that that’s I don’t want to I don’t even want to use that word reasonable, but like that would make that the dust makes sense.

I mean, a building collapse obviously there’s going to be Yeah. 100 plus stories. Yeah. Times two. Yeah. It’s not like my house like if my house that’s made a cinder blast collapse like Yeah. There will not be like No, it’ll just be like nothing. But it’s one story. Yeah. Have you ever seen those videos of the the cloud? Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god, it’s crazy. Terrifying. Yeah. But obviously I think when people also see a cloud too, it’s like it’s very synonymous with you instant your mind instantly goes like nuke mushroom cloud explosion like bomb. So I think that’s probably why it’s a talked about thing.

But so heavy steel sections were ejected laterally hundreds of feet outward. So that is that’s a that that’s a both for me. That that could go both ways. So they’re saying that like large large Yeah, I’ve seen it are being just being ejected from the space. But obviously from from the NIST’s perspective, it’s like okay, you have hundreds of thousands of tons moving downwards. Yeah, a two-tonon steel beam like that’s it’s got to it’s got to move. has to move. If it’s coming down, has to go somewhere and it can’t go down cuz like said with the compacting thing, it can’t just compact down. It has to be like exploded out.

But that also can tie into the the concept of things being removed, you know, via [clears throat] force, okay, to allow acceleration downwards to allow full collapse. Okay. So, I mean, that’s a, you know, that’s just one to one to think about. I don’t know if that’s like super definitive, but I think that can definitely go both ways. Um, so here we we talked about briefly uh earlier in this episode. So, multiple first responders uh iron workers, cleanup workers reported pools of molten metal in the rubble weeks after the collapse. Weeks. The fire burned for like 40 days. Yeah. Some crazy. Like there was still some fire burning.

Wow. Insane. I mean, do do we really believe that was just aluminum? I have a hard time believing that it was like all aluminum. Why? Because there’s so much chaos. There’s so much debris. There’s so much weight of everything and it’s just burning the molten. You know what I mean? Like it’s just burning. But the thing is, but it’s not just aluminum and and molten. Like, it’s everything. But what’s the hottest? It’s going to be the molten. So, that’s going to be the last thing that you find for sure. Like, let’s say let’s say whatever it catches whatever paper, desks, I don’t know, like drywall, I don’t know, whatever.

Yeah. All the things. Yeah. I mean, well, but but 40 days later, here’s my example. That’s not going to keep going. But the molten might. I don’t I actually don’t know. Eric brought up Eric brought up uh the volcano thing. Volcano explodes, right? Or volcano erupts and magma comes out. That magma’s not molten for 40 days. Yeah. And that shit’s coming from like the Earth’s core, like the hottest. It’s like the sun down there. [clears throat] And that that it it cools, it hardens, and it turns into it turns into volcanic rock. So, and that is not just metal. That’s that’s all the elements of the earth.

It’s it’s metals. It’s everything. And I just I find it hard to believe. Like, but what do you think it is then? You know, see what my mind goes to is my mind goes to thermite. You know, thermite burns at 3,000° C. And so, but walk us through what that would be. So, that would So, if it was conspiratorial, there were like pre-charges. Mhm. Right. and they would use that in order to explode it or or how do you define it? Like help me out. It’s mult it’s multi. So I I I don’t know if I went over this in these points, but so if you look at the pictures, there’s there’s pictures of the main support beams the bottom that have their they’re angle cut.

Yeah. Oh yeah. And it’s like it’s a clean cut. It’s not like and the these are normal these are pictures. You can look at the pictures. This isn’t like me like photoshopping a picture. It’s like a clean clean angular probably 45 degree angle cut. Yeah. A lot of the beams. Yeah. And these are thick. These these beams are massive. These beams are they held it up for 40. They held up a 100tory building. Yeah. That’s what they were there for when when you in like the control demo world cuz I used to look into this all the time because I was like curious. So the main things you’re going to do is a you need to cut you need to cut the main support beams at the bottom because if a building is going to so technically when a building like this goes down the way it’s the way it’s designed is that the the floors will pancake for sure the floors will pancake onto each other and they’ll fall down.

This is a scenario of if it was controlled like if you were if you were going to bring a a building down in Vegas, right? You remember the old hotels they had to bring down? Is Is that what you’re talking about? Like No, I’m I’m talking about how the buildings are designed. Like the buildings are designed the support beams would stay up. The support beams would in essence be sticking out of the ground. Oh. So even if the the floors Yeah. Even if this the structure is meant to go that way, the support beams don’t come down. Like the building can come down around it, but the support beams theoretically would still be up or at least some portion of them would still be.

Yeah. Because otherwise it Yeah. Where where are they? You’re talking about these massive straight things. How do they all they should be sticking up? Right. Like no, but but you had a massive plane hit them with tons of jet fuel melting down. Understood. But yeah, but that’s they lo they lose. So the top that’s melting the top. Yeah. What about what about the other 60 floors beneath it? Where are those support those support beams melted or like 80 floors? Yeah. [laughter] But as it as it comes down, I mean, they’re they’re going to obviously lose their their structural integrity and they’re going to they’re going to topple over or they’re going to kind of like bend and come down.

Now, now the slicing, I don’t know. I can’t I literally slice, but are you saying that the beams were not are still not there or never like disappear? I’m saying the the theoretically the beam should still be up. So, what we’ve seen from the pictures is that the beams are angularly cut. So when you control you’re saying why is it so perfectly cut? When you control demo these what you do is like you you pretty much use explosives and you use thermite to to cause systematic failure across all supports. So you you use thermite to to in essence cut the main support beams and then you use charges to blow up any tertiary support beam.

So it fall when it if you watch a control demo fall it’s like the way it falls it like it boom and then it’s like it just like it just like it just like floats down onto itself cuz cuz you systematically blow all the support so it’s like with with the intention of not tipping. Yeah. Exactly. You want No, you want it to like the least amount of impact like when you’re blowing it like okay hey we’re getting rid of this. We want we wanted to control it. That’s why it’s controlled like into a certain area. So like so like in Vegas they do it all the time which is the old hotels that they’re like, “Hey, we just got to get rid of this.” They bring it down into its footprint.

Yeah. Because what’ll happen is like let’s say if you just blew one of the supports obviously like a building is is built on redundancies. Like there’s it’s it’s redundantly it’s going to redundantly try to keep itself up. I know. So it’s like oh no like I’m going to put more more stress on this part. So you blow all of them it just folds down. Yeah. So that is why I think like okay if you’re using a substance like thermite which burns so hot maybe that’s you create a pool of metal that’s so hot and that’s maybe why it burns and then it’s being sustained by like just a regular fire which is obviously not even remotely close to as hot, right?

And that’s maybe why it burned for so long. That’s why that’s what I’m saying. It’s a potential a potential outcome of why it was I’m not saying that is why. I’m just saying that’s possible. But it on the other side, is it possible that it would burn just from everything naturally? I don’t want to say naturally. It was hit by a plane. No, it’s not natural. And then it crashed down. Yeah. Then it crashed down upon itself. [clears throat] But so like is it possible that flammable? Yeah. Exactly. Well, and then it’s it’s it’s also it fell for little pockets. Yeah. So it’s obviously Yeah.

So there if there was molten whatever Yeah. maybe that it was in those pockets. Yeah. And like burned. Well, so the reason and then it kept burning. Yeah. The reason that people are skeptic about this molten aluminum Yeah. concept is that apparently molten aluminum doesn’t stay molten long in open air. Ah, I see. Um and apparently witnesses describe the material as steel. I don’t I don’t know how you would tell if something was molten aluminum or molten steel. Obviously, aluminum has a far lower like melting point. Yeah. Which is why they’re like talking about it. I mean, so it is I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I do think the 40-day thing is kind of crazy.

It is like insane. It doesn’t make sense cuz like aluminum will aluminum will it like you can take a blowtorrch right now and go melt some aluminum like if you wanted to and then it’ll solidify within 2 minutes outside of melting it. Yeah. Yeah. And I’m dead. Go try it like with gloves and like be safe. But like [laughter] you can try you can literally try. Yeah. Oh, so this Okay, this next one is like kind of on to the point I was making, but independent researchers claim to find ironrich microspheres and thermmitic nanoothermite materials in the dust. Mhm. Okay. So, this is what I was talking about with thermite, [clears throat] you know, potentially cutting the beams.

Um, thermite is like you can put the thermite will melt through an engine block. It’ll it’s it burns at 3,000 degrees Celsius like the So, how what’s there’s no what’s the explanation for that? Any I mean this is also I mean I don’t know how true that I mean this is also like independent researchers. So like I don’t know like I can’t Yeah. I I can’t like vouch for like their science, you know, like I I wasn’t at the lab. I don’t know what the reports found. I don’t know if they like brought these findings to NIST. I can’t I can’t tell. Yeah. And then we just Hy just pulled up a picture.

You see that? That beam there. Yeah. It’s a perfect It’s like a perfect 45 degree angle cut. Now, it does support and not support his his conversation right now because A it does support the fact that it’s weird that the beams look so cut nicely. Mhm. Yeah. Very clean. But b they are there. But anything he had talked about, he was like, “Why are they not there anymore?” No, but that’s at the very bottom of the wreckage. What I was saying is like in terms of the how the buildings are designed Mhm. you should have beams that are sticking hundreds of feet out. Oh, really?

Yeah. That’s how it’s supposed to. Okay. Cuz when when the integrity fails, the floors fall and the floors pancake down, but the beams remain. Okay. But also, by the way, I mean, I only find one beam like that. It’s not like there was several multi cut in this. I know. I’ve only I’ve only ever seen that multi. There’s two buildings, too. Or no, three buildings. I don’t I can’t find any other images. I’m saying of other beams cut the same way. It’s just just that one beam. I can’t even. I don’t remember even seeing like any of the other beams at all. Yeah. [snorts] But, you know, you know, the non-conspiratorial side of my brain Mhm.

is, you know, there’s odd the only one that that comes on [laughter] to this podcast. There’s odd for there’s always odd formations that are always created across the planet. This isn’t a formation that was No, I know. But I mean anomalies of It looks odd. [snorts] Totally. Look, you like like looking at the uh bill dollar bill and like finding a hole. No, no. If you find just right. [laughter] No. Meaning uh like one example is the the steps in um Ireland. I think Sean’s been you talking about the Giants Causeway? Giants Causeway. I know. Those rocks are weird. They’re weird. It’s so weird. I don’t understand.

They’re perfect. They’re all hexagons. I’m like, what the They’re perfect. It’s actually wild. It’s literally called I don’t know if you know the Giants Causeway. Yeah. But this that’s why they call it that. They they the giants use them as stairs. Yeah. Literally steps to cross the ocean. Yeah. But I’m just I use that as an example of just chaos of life. This episode is brought to you by Chat GPT. Hey, it’s Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons podcast. Have you guys heard about Chat GPT work? It’s the new way to use Chat GPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give Chat GPT work access to your apps and files.

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You’re talking about a natural occurring formation on Earth as Yeah. As opposed to like a a collapse of a building. But I understand. I’ll I’ll give you that. I’ll give you that. Is it impossible? I no one I don’t think anyone can truly know if that is impossible to happen because no one is going to like recreate this event to to try to solve that problem. The beams do look weird. It does look weird. It does look weird. Isn’t it look weird? It looks looks weird that it’s at a 45 degree angle. By by the way, it’s at the museum. That that one. Look at that.

They have it at the 911 museum. It’s in plain sight. Yeah. You got to go check it out. Oh, I will. I’m going to New York in a couple weeks. So, I’m gonna I’m gonna go take a picture. Yeah. All right. So, next we have um So, and this is a this is a really big one. So, the towers were designed to survive the impact of a large commercial airliner. Creepy. The fires were not hotter or more widespread than any other high-rise fires that did not cause total collapse. No. No. And I say it’s creepy because they were designed for it. They were literally built to to sustain it.

Multiple creepy in the conspiracy like theory way. Well, no, a little bit. No, the tower the towers were designed to multiple and then they fell from it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, that’s why it’s like odd. Like they’re literally built I’ll give you that to multiple odd. So, and the fact is also apparently there’s been other high-rise fires that did not cause granted they weren’t hit by a plane, so it’s hard to do like apples to oranges. Yeah. So, like I get that regular fires and molten fire like Well, it’s also like getting hit by a plane fire. It’s a little different. Thousands of gallons of But then you have building seven, which we’ll get into, which is like a normal fire.

Yeah. But and then you know not to be the devil’s advocate here but I mean how many [laughter] does aren’t you that how many bridges have failed and their whole purpose was to not fail? Yeah. Like they’re engineered for certain things and then they they fail. Exactly. I mean Yeah. It’s like I [laughter] mean sure I it’s like how many engines have failed? They’re like designed not to fail. I mean like a bridge is designed literally the entire purpose of building the bridge or like you know its reinforcement is to not fail yet how many have failed. Yeah. I mean I’m actually now that you say that I’m going to look into that because you.

[laughter] That’s why that that’s exactly why like I’m literally going to I’m going to have a [laughter] thesis dissertation like fully via email or like some letter pack. I’m like, “Eric, come hang out.” And it’s going to be like a 18page [laughter] PowerPoint presentation. No. The next one is the So, the total destruction of both 110 story towers is in under two hours is treated as unprecedented for fire alone. It just it’s like Oh, I see. It’s like having both fall just from fire alone like has never been or it’s so unpre like maybe one sure like Yeah, there could be like a freak thing where it’s like a fire h in the right spot at the right time.

How do both Yeah, that’s that’s where that’s where it’s like how do both fall and I could I understand that. That’s strange. Yeah. Like I mean we go we go this is a lot. I mean it’s it’s what’s our what’s our saying on the show is um if it two is not a coincidence. Three times is it two or three? No, I’m saying two times. No, twice is a coincidence. Three times a conspiracy on building seven is number three. So you know it fits the bill. It fits [laughter] the bill, bro. Fits the bill. That’s right. All right. So this is kind of a culmination one.

But the speed, symmetry, completeness of destruction, ejected debris, and molten metal are presented as signatures of control demolition using explosives or high energy cutters. Yeah. High energy cutter being like something like a thermite or some sort of explosive device. It’s meant to like obviously remove you know, you know, on this point, uh, it’s a little bit of a side thing on the, but on the point of the speed of of the plane, I saw a couple interviews from pilots and they said the odds were very low. They said it wasn’t impossible, but the odds are pretty low that a amateur pilot flying 600 miles an hour could actually hit a tower like with that much just Yeah.

They’re they’re out of control. That’s like a Yeah, because flying like look at when you fly to New York, for example, you’re you’re going to be going 490, 480, you know, in that range. The the uh the second plane was going almost 600 miles an hour. Yeah. Yeah. But it’s also people don’t realize that like flying a plane is not like flying a car. Yeah. It’s not like, oh yeah, let’s make a quick left, you know, it’s not it’s not like it doesn’t work that way. [clears throat] And it’s a little bit of a side note because also it’s just a it’s expert opinions. True.

of going like how I don’t even know how they hit it. Yeah. And we already in the other we knew that they were like subar they were subbar like they barely passed. That’s what I was going to say. In the other episodes we went over these guys in Sarasota and the training and like they’re just less than amateur. Mhm. So, the next one I I I also have really did looking into and like I’ve seen a bunch of videos on it and I I’m I’m kind of like undetermined, but it’s like puffs of smoke were seen during the collapses uh coming out of like lower parts of the building as it was collapsing.

And these are interpreted by some as as demolition squibs in essence like it’s I’ve seen this. Yeah, I’ve seen it too. And that’s I’m kind of I’m kind of undetermined on it because like yeah, I’ve seen them, but I’m like I don’t know what happens when a building collapses. I I don’t like there’s a big part of uh loose change. You ever hear that? Hear that documentary? Mm- [clears throat] It was like a a amateur documentary that really blew up on YouTube. It was taken down. Uh it was flagged, but it’s it’s kind of on the underground. Kind of like our TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] It’s kind of the underground conspiracy 911 video that everybody quotes.

It’s called loose change. I mean, it was fairly interesting, but in in it there’s a large portion dedicated to squib footage. Yeah. Or like like and comparing comparing other buildings using those same explosives. And they basically put uh explosives on every floor or most of the floors. Uh and then they they uh ignite them or they set them off in simultaneous order. Yeah. They’re like it’s a sequence. It’s a there’s there’s a sequence to and it and and you should I mean I I I want you guys to you know to go and like it’s I think it’s important like go look at like what a control demo looks like.

I I don’t want you to like feel like we’re just like talking Like you can see it and that there’s a there’s a reason that yeah we’re it’s being brought up. It’s because these things like, you know, they they they are odd. This is this odd Like, I’m not, you know, I’m not making any conclusions right now. That’s we’re going to save that for a later episode. But it’s definitely something to think about when you’re like piecing everything together. Um, now this one is kind of contended because Yeah, hear what [laughter] I said. What? But why? But why what why would they demo the towers?

We’ll get into that later. I know. I just So, this one, like I was saying, is contended. Uh, so seismic data claimed by some researchers show spikes consistent with explosions before the visible collapses begin. Obviously, this contends against NIST’s finding that there is no seismic data. There’s also witnesses of people going I heard explosions. Exactly. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Which are the uh firefighters, not just like Rand. Yeah. And and it’s also too it’s like I mean if you use depending on what like how big of an explo how big does the explosive have to be to actually register on a seismic a seismograph? Totally. Like I don’t know.

I don’t know the answer to that. I I really don’t. Also the witnesses are not used to a plane hitting the World Trade Center. Can you I can’t imagine. And then jet fuel falling through the elevator shafts. Yeah. So, nobody’s used to this. Yeah. You know, meaning like we’re just not used to it. So, I don’t I don’t know if if it’s valid. It is valid witness testimony, but it’s also Well, there’s remember we we’ve talked about this in numerous episodes how like witness testimony is the least reliable because obviously this is a extraordinarily traumatic experience. Correct. like I would not be I would not be thinking straight.

I And to me, I’ve never heard the sound of say a [snorts] window falling 100 floors and hitting next to you. I don’t know what that sounds like, right? Meaning it could be loud or a fireball going from the 80th floor down to the 20th floor through the elevator shaft. I don’t know what that sounds like. Yeah, I don’t. And I hate to say it, but the people on the on the ground didn’t never experienced that, so they don’t know. There’s a there’s a really famous video uh of somebody uh caught the building falling. They were like maybe two blocks away, three, maybe something like that.

Kind of close, but kind of not. Anyways, as it’s falling, like the noise that it’s making is just that sounds like the like the like thunder, but like, you know, like right next to Thunder is probably a good description. Yeah. So, also like I don’t know in the middle of all that like everything sounds like a Yeah. Did I Yeah. I mean I would I don’t even know how I would Yeah. cope or with that type of experience. So I I can’t say definitively. This is just independent research. It’s crazy though cuz it’s it’s like falling and the guy’s like the guy keeps the camera on the on the building but then like as it starts getting like it starts running.

Yeah. It starts dipping. I’ve seen that video. It’s crazy. Another another example of this is I have not been in war. I don’t I haven’t been in war. So I don’t know actually I mean I know you know my reference is to range. He doesn’t [laughter] know what the 45 sounds like. My my reference is saving private Ryan. [laughter] Yeah. You know as my ref of what does war sound like? I don’t even know. Right. Like so if it just happened all of a sudden I I’m just saying we don’t I I don’t feel like I know what explosions sound like. I mean I’ve blown up.

I’ve made bombs cuz I’m from the sticks of Ohio and the you do when you’re born [laughter] you blow up. Weird Yeah you do weird We used to make grenades out of Gerber baby bottles. Dead serious. We would take them and we fill them with gunpowder and like put a pop a fuse in little metal top and throw them in the woods and blow them up. Bam. We also had a friend who his dad uh owned the biggest fireworks company and uh they used to do like the big big barge fireworks and so we got fireworks that are illegal to buy unless you have a license and you know they’re you know 8 in titanium shelled mortars.

Yeah. And it’s a it’s a legit bomb. It’s a literal bomb. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean they cost $100 each and it’s like an actual bomb. But anyways, back to the core columns. There was researchers said that they were severed in a manner inconsistent with progressive floor failure alone. You know, we obviously because if you’re going to pancake down, you’re not going to back to that photo. One would think have a slice. Yeah. One would think that obviously if you have a progressive floor failure happening like okay the beam’s bending you can see like bending or breaking but like a clean cut seems very unlikely in that type of scenario.

Then um we have the the fireproofing was allegedly removed or never adequ adequately applied in critical areas in a way that facilitated collapse. So they’re saying, and we’ll get into this, there was a big asbestous problem with with the towers and like so there’s thoughts that they remove some of like the fireproofing and that each beam had this spray-on uh fireproofing. I think it’s like the floors, the floors, each floor was like they have fireproofing like it’s like in the walls and like in the Um because you have to when you’re building an office building like you have to Think about that because it’s okay like you have, you know, tens of thousands of people that like work here.

Yeah. Yeah. Like what if it could be electrical fire, it could be anything. Doesn’t it doesn’t have to be like an attack. It just could be like, you know, you have to have fireproofing in place. So, I mean, that’s something that there’s really not a lot of data on. This is I think this is more on the speculative thing. Like I don’t there’s no way I can know to cooperate or facil like you know fact check that info. Yeah. But it’s just something to think about. And then um lastly, uh you know, there’s there’s claims that the building was deliberately weakened in advance. How how I don’t know, but that those those are some of the claims.

Okay. So So that’s what we that’s what the claims are or the inconsistencies are. Obviously, we went over a lot of the major ones. I mean, some of them are like h, you know, I don’t know. Not really a lot of like info to really like talk educatedly about it. Yeah. But now we turn to the real building seven. Yeah. [clears throat] Like building 7 to me is the biggest point that is that actually exists in this whole thing is building seven. So now obviously I’ll give you first the the official story on building 7. Okay. Yeah. And also what is building seven and if you’re going to get into that or not, but like yeah we need to know.

I I will get into like in in some of the inconsistencies and kind of arguments on it. I will one of the points goes over what was actually like the offices were in building 7 like what that building was used for. So you can take that as you will. So building 7, it was a 47story steel frame building. It was not hit by a plane. There was no impact, no nothing. NIST’s final report concluded that the collapse was caused by uncontrolled office fires. Uh debris from the collapse of the north tower ignited fires on multiple floors. Sprinkler systems failed on the lower floors because city water manes were damaged and then the fire burn the fires burned for nearly 7 hours.

That’s the story. Yeah. And I think I think we touched on it in the last episode where the um the two towers fell around 10:00 a.m. Mhm. And then building 7 fell at about 5:00 p.m. Yeah. So that’s 7 hours later. Yeah. Yeah. So then um [clears throat] so thermal expansion, the long span floor beams and girdters cause connections to fail. Uh, critical girder walked off its seat at column 79 around the 13th floor. This left the column. They have like they have a lot of I don’t know how N I don’t know how NIS came up with this from the collapse building, but like this is what they came up with.

Yeah, it was at one in 42 milliseconds and the 13th column B. Crazy. Yeah. So, this left the column laterally unsupported over multiple stories. is the column 79 buckled initiating progressive interior collapse that spread from east to west and eventually brought down the exterior. Note how they said spread from east to west because if you watch it that’s controlled demos happen that way. They happen like it’s like it’s not all like just fall. It’s like Anyways, um hey, how far away is building 7 from the trade center? It’s like a couple rocks. 370 ft away. So it’s like basically next to Yeah. Yeah. Cuz that’s the thing, right?

It’s like a whole the world center. It was a complex. So it’s got to be close. It’s seven. That’s like the seventh building in that in that complex. 178 ft. 370 m. Oh, meters. Yeah. So like a block. Don’t talk to me in meters. Oh, my bad. It’s 370 ft. My bad. 110 meters. 370 ft. Okay. 110 mters. So it’s a block. It’s about a block. Yeah. About a block. About a block away. Yeah. Basically next to it. So, in theory, like how did it catch? Let’s just talk basic before we get into the NIST floor. They’re saying debris from the from the collapsing building flew in and caused fires.

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First off, we’re talking about the saying that. Yes. Let’s talk about that first. [clears throat] Yeah. So, well, we’ve already proven that that debris was being ex literally launched out of launched. Yeah. What I the video I saw the one of the towers at the very top had an antenna like a big huge antenna as I remember. Right. And as it started like falling that antenna just went that actually did fall like to the side. Yeah. And that ended up hitting building 7. Oh. So it’s it it ends up like Yeah. Yeah. And it ends up like basically cutting down like like shearing something. Shearing it like just down the middle.

It’s basically a big sword. Exactly. I mean literally pretty much or spear. Yes. Spear. Spear’s probably So and then obviously from that then fires ignite. You got oxygen coming in non-stop you know not letting the fires burn out. Now the good news or I don’t know I want to say good news but u and we’ve seen video we actually posted on our Instagram. Uh it was pretty much evacuated. Oh yeah. Oh it was yeah yeah right like seven hours later chaos is going on in New York. Every so you know luckily yeah loss of life was low in on building 7. Yeah specifically. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So back they say that the um the visible exterior collapse of the upper portion of the north face took approximately 5.4 4 seconds for 18 stories, which they say is about 40% longer than pure freef fall of 3.9 seconds. Now, I don’t that was the freef fall was 3.9. That’s what they’re saying longer. They’re saying no, they’re they’re saying the pure freef fall itself would have been 3.9 seconds. Okay. But also I I remember I remember us talking about earlier the two towers were like 2 seconds. The two the two towers fell in Is that right? No, not 2 seconds. It wasn’t 2 seconds.

Definitely not 2 seconds. It was like 13 seconds. Oh, okay. Okay. No. Uh, collapse times from initiation were roughly 9 to 11 seconds. There you go. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, that’s like and this building and that’s and this building is 18 stories. That building was 110. I get it. Okay. So, five times. Yeah. It was five times as big and it was in half the time. But I also they say this they use the word pure freef fall which makes me believe that like this might be a semantics point like yeah pure freef fall in my understanding and I could be wrong pure freef fall is without air resistance.

Mhm. So it’s like it’s pure it’s pure pure freef fall is means gravity is the only the only variable from them it’s quoted yeah was they say that pure freef fall is was 3.9 seconds. So, I think that there’s a little semantics happening here. And I I could be wrong. Maybe it was just some misnomer or something, but I just think that’s interesting. Yeah. Because like why would you quote pure freef fall? Because pure freef fall speed is impossible on Earth because there’s air [laughter] and like nitrogen and and helium and hydrogen in the atmosphere is what it is. So, NIS described stages of resistance, a period of near free fall once support was lost.

Mhm. Then further resistance from debris. So they’re saying it was like started falling resistance. Okay. Near freef fall then resistance again. Yeah. N stated it found no evidence of explosives. No blast sounds matching the energy required to fail critical columns were recorded on available audio or of course who’s recording audio in this. I’m sorry. That’s ridiculous. This is so stupid. Um witness uh says there’s nothing from witnesses or anything like that. So, preparation of a controlled demolition in an occupied building would have been detectable according to NIST. There would have been some sort of detection. I I I I think there’s this I’m [snorts] sorry.

I just can’t get over that pure freef fall thing. I can’t get over that. Like, why would they say pure freef fall? So, I’ve looked it up. [laughter] Pure freef fall is defined as the motion of an object falling solely under the influence of gravity where no other forces including air resistance or friction are acting upon it. So why would they give you pure pure they’re giving you like an impossible well the the thing that happens in a vacuum is 3.9 seconds. So clearly this isn’t that I just think it’s annoying. Could you could you reread out loud what cyst said or N said? So NI said uh the visible exterior collapse of the upper portion of the north face took approximately 5.4 seconds for 18 stories about 40% longer than pure freef fall of 3.9 seconds.

Uh I see so you see what they’re saying. They’re like well it took 5 seconds to fall but pure freef fall in a vac in space [laughter] like is 3.9 seconds. They’re saying it took longer than an impossibility. Exactly. They took longer than something that [laughter] cannot occur on the planet because we have air in the atmosphere. So, don’t you see how that I don’t know why that pisses me off. [laughter] Like, they’re like giving you an impossible thing. It seems like, you know, trying to hide something. Yeah. Like, why would you give me like an It’s like, well, I mean, I don’t can’t even think of a plausible thing.

It’s like they’re like, “Well, yeah, Sean, if you just if you like he only lifted, you know, 1% of a trillion pounds, a loser.” like, you know, like what [laughter] the just it just seems odd to me that they would use that. Yeah. Maybe, like I said, could it be a misnomer like but it just seems pointless to say that like faster than something that couldn’t occur on the planet. We’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. But I’m saying like it’s this we’re talking about a difference of of two seconds, right? Of no, of 1.5 seconds. So So you mean to tell me Oh, so it’s a 1.5 seconds 40%.

So at Aaron, couldn’t that account for the other 1.5 seconds? True. I don’t know. Yeah. So anyways, uh the first things first, the most, you know, the the most blatant thing is that building 7 wasn’t hit by anything. Mhm. Yet it suffered a total collapse. And like I don’t know if there’s any use cases for a building doing a total collapse because of fire alone. Yeah. I don’t think there is any like any like uh comparable datmss that that cover that. And just for our listeners to know because I’m sure you guys are going like, “Okay, let’s talk about conspiracies about building seven.” Yeah. We’re going to talk about all of that, but it’s going to we’re trying to get the official reports first.

And like I think I mentioned it too earlier. I was like this is just the inconsistencies. This is like we’re building up like the we’re building up the tool belt with all the information so we can make a full like instead of like being like first episode here’s the conspiracy like [clears throat] you want to have like the full picture if you want to make a logical conclusion on what you think is happen there’s a couple podcasts out there that do that yeah losers I’m not gonna say their names you know who you are okay so the collapse is described as a classic control demolition profile rapid onset high symmetry and near total destruction into its own footprint.

Mhm. Yep. So then video analysis shows freef fall acceleration for more than two full seconds. Obviously it took 5 seconds, but they’re saying free fall for 2 seconds. Freefall for that duration is argued to be physically impossible without simultaneous removal of support across the structure. Mhm. And have you if you’ve seen building 7 collapse, there’s literally what’s one of my favorite videos. Someone takes building 7 next to I think next to a Vegas building being control demoed. Literally identical. Like they I’m kidding you not. Have you seen this video? I’ve seen the video. It’s identical. It looks it’s they’re so in Vegas they knock down all the time.

All the time. It’s like a art or a Yeah. That’s like the second technology like to to bring down the building. And and so the video he’s talking about is they put building 7 next to a Vegas removal. And dude, they’re I’ll give I’ll give Sean credit. They’re looking identical. They look They look exactly the same. Yeah, they look the same. And it’s not funny. I’m not like laughing at the situation. I’m just saying that like it’s so it’s the ridiculous [snorts] like it’s not even strange that it’s humorous. It’s not even like it’s not even I can’t even spot any like glaring difference. One would think they’d be like, “Oh, okay.

Well, that’s different.” You know, but there I’m going to pull it up after this. You’ll see, bro. It’s identical. Yeah, it’s it’s infuriating. Send me that. We’ll post that. Yeah, we should post that. I’m getting banned on every platform again. [laughter] That’s true. So, uh, the University of Alaska Fairbanks. Oh, shout out E study, uh, concluded fire cannot produce the observed collapse and that near simultaneous failure of every column was required. It’s true cuz the whole thing fell down like it was Could you say that again? So, there was a like slower though. There was a University of Alaska Fairbanks study. Yeah. And it concluded that fire could not produce the observed collapse and that near simultaneous failure of every column was required cuz the way that it fell cuz if one goes you think like okay one column fails and it’s like and then it like kind of like it does a whole little like Lego collapse kind of thing, right?

So and even then that like that that wouldn’t happen in 5 seconds. No, it wouldn’t. It would not. It’s it’s infuriating. So, um, the east penthouse dropped seconds before the full exterior collapse. Interpreted as internal demolition progressing first. So, you’re saying that like penthouse dropped that was like cuz when they do the demo like all the charges typically aren’t blown simultaneous. So, they’re usually blown within like half a like it’s there’s a timing to it and there it’s very close. It’s not like but it’s not a simultaneous detonation. Yeah. Yeah. because you create you create a weakness and then you like exploit the weakness across the entire building.

Yeah. I was going to add the penthouse was like added to the roof just so you know cuz usually it’s just like the top floor but this was like added to the roof which I mean that’s fine. Yeah. Like I mean this one I’m like me like the other shit’s way more intense to me like than like the penthouse like whatever. So uh and I had I had made some notes too. Um, and but you might be bringing it up in a second. What were you going to say? They did conclude though that it’s the first known building ever to fall from fire. Well, I don’t think I have that in here.

You didn’t have that? The first the first It’s the first building ever to fall from fire. In the N report, it says that apparently there’s like literally That’s so But meaning that actually supports the argument. Yeah, that’s the only building ever on earth to fall from fire. Um, so this is what what Jorge was alluding to here earlier. Or maybe it was Eric who was like, “Why? Like what? What?” Oh, you was you. You were like, “What’s in the building?” Like why? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, the building house offices of the SEC, uh, Secret Service, CIA, Department of Defense, and other agencies. So if there was any sort of uh documentotos in there that they wanted to get rid of, it was pretty convenient.

I’m saying there’s just a lot of agencies in there. CIA, DoD, SEC, secret. I mean, there’s a lot of there’s a lot of agencies there. Like, holy No. And this this this goes to the biggest part of the con this leads up to the biggest part of the conspiracy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah. So, it’s just a coincidence. Clearly, obviously the coincidence is the the first building ever to fall by fire. Uh, did you say the CIA was there? Yeah, CIA, Secret Service, DoD, SEC. I mean, just like, yeah, it’s just too many to be like, well, who’s the only The only quote I have on a rebuttal of it, and it’s very loose, meaning like this holds some weight.

Yeah. But the only rebuttal I have is from the SEC and they said that uh it would not lose any significant investigation or cases as a result of the building. That was their quote. Thanks SEC. So that’s just SEC. Now I I think the SEC is one of the most slipshod. Is that a word? Yeah, it is. It is a word. Slipshod like organizations that exist. But yeah. Anyways, that’s all that’s all I got on that one. Take that for a grain of salt with the SEC. Yep. So that’s all I got on that one because the other stuff is like dude it’s just it’s just a little it’s just too it’s so sus.

Yeah. And the fact I’m so happy you brought up the thing that NIST was like this is the first reported skyscraper that’s ever fell down by far. So then uh NIS’s computer models have been criticized for incomplete release of input data and for requiring unusual assumptions to match the videos. Meaning that when NIST is there in order to like come up with their conclusions, they’re they’re using models. Yeah. Because obviously the building doesn’t exist anymore. So you have to like model it out to see how these failures could occur. So people are saying that like they’re kind they’re kind of like they’re uh they’re cooking the books like they’re changing the the inputs are like improbable and they’re like oh well see we made it happen.

See that’s what they’re saying like the input data like what what data are they inputting in to cause the the reaction that’s occurring in the model. Yeah. Yeah. Now uh another point and this is for maybe the people who are on the side of non-conspiratorial but um the NIST quoted as saying the following. No modern steel high-rise had ever collapsed solely from office fires. We we touched on that. I researched it and it’s true. There is no on record of a building Mhm. falling from a fire. I just want to add that it’s not just like office fire that erupted inside and like everything is structurally sound.

Yeah. You know, it was definitely damaged by and there’s pictures of it. Uh from the projectiles, the back side or with the front side, whatever. I don’t remember what side, but but yeah, from from the and the most like probable thing was that antenna, but it could be something else. But but yeah, if you see the pictures, this is like sl a big slash down the down the side of it. So like structurally it was not I mean it was built to withstand that. That’s you know there’s that. Another strange point of note is uh none of the sprinklers were working. Yeah, the sprinkler system failed.

How how convenient because the water man was whatever the was damaged. So that could go either way conspiratorial or not. Mhm. It’s just like how are all these things happen shut off to that area? But how are all these things happening? I know, but even the sprinklers power water. The sprinklers should be on its own system. It’s true. It should water’s different. Yeah. There’s obviously like you like when you have like utilities, they’re all like redundant from each other because if they were all tied in the same if they’re all like collaborated like and one thing fails, other thing fails. But not to plan for something like this.

Well, true. So, I mean, and look, I’m sure like obviously with it’s close proximity, like you can imagine that there’s going to be plumbing damage with the building falling down. So, like I can that that’s sure makes sense. I It’s a little strange that I’m arguing with Sean right now. [laughter] It’s a very strange feeling. Wow. Look how the how the turns have tabled. Jorge is like, what are you talking about? [laughter] How the turns have tabled. The turns have tabled. So, the next one, no, but I’ll just say this. Like a lot of my conspiracies are not around the structure. They’re only about aliens.

[laughter] Aliens. I kind of already I kind of already aliens did it. I kind of already feel like I know where Jorge is at in his head. I kind of feel like he’s hijackers hijacked the planes, hit the towers. Why? Why are you making my first Well, no. Don’t even answer. I just I just kind of feel like this is where he’s at where it’s it’s more negligent conspiracy and cover up, not inside job. Don’t answer. I’m going to say that for the We’re going to give the juice away now. All right. The next one is The next one’s like a I kind of feel like Eric is like going to blame it on man’s ingenuity.

The ingenuity of blame it on [laughter] I don’t know. Well, the engineer of course they can do it. But I was saying, so people say that Larry Silverstein’s pullet comment in a PBS interview is widely interpreted as an admission of a controlled demolition. U I pulled I pulled up the quote and I’ll read you his direct quote. And who is he? So Larry Silverstein was owned the World Trade Center. Oh, yeah. He owned all of them. Yeah. Oh, I didn’t This is the This is when we finish this segment. I’m going into Larry Silverstein. Okay. So Larry Silverstein owned World Train Center. Okay. He owned the complex.

So this is him. Um he’s recounting a call he had. This is on an interview at a later point. He recounting a phone call he had with the fire department commander. Mhm. And so this is direct quote. I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that there were not they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. And I said, you know, we’ve had such a terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. and they made the decision to pull and they were and then we watched the building collapse. So people are saying that him telling the him telling pull it pull it meaning pull out like him telling the fire commander like get out in essence like yeah like pull it like stop trying to contain the fire the building.

Well see there’s a speculation or like or even him telling him like yeah like you’re not going to be able to do anything. Pull out and then the building like then it’s like some some dude’s like oh okay they’re out and then like do it. Yeah. So, it’s all speculation. This is all a speculative thing. So, read into it. Also, I’ve seen clips of firefighters warning civilians that the building might come down. Okay. Building seven. I mean, but they just saw two towers that were not Take it for what it is. Take it for I I don’t know. It’s just information. It’s just data. Meaning there were people, you know what I mean?

Firefighters on the ground. Yeah. Okay. So, this dude who owned it Yeah. use the phrase pull it. Pull it. Yeah. But he’s like, “Pull your man. Pull your man out.” And isn’t this the guy who didn’t show up that day? Yep. Yeah. You heard that story? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there’s more. Oh, there’s so much more which we’re going to get into. Yeah. Which we will get into. But I’m just saying. Okay. So, like he had a do like a Cairo appointment or [laughter] something like like a like a All right. We’re going to get into that. Okay. So, uh, but I I was just going to say, okay, so that day, remember there, and this is cuz it took hours until it came down, right?

So, 7 hours, but everybody, all the fire, everybody that was helping was uh focused on the debris and getting people out of there. Oh, for 100%. It’s like that’s the main concern. Yeah, you’re not worried about putting out the other fire over there. You’re worried about getting all these people out like from under all this you know? Of course. I chaos. It’s It’s absolute chaos. It’s utter chaos. So then there’s reports of explosions or secondary blast sounds in and around building 7 before the collapse. I don’t know how that’s cooperated or if there was witness testimony. I’m not sure. I don’t really have much info on that, but that’s just kind of what’s out there.

Another thing is the symmetrical collapse into its own footprint is treated as the hallmark of professional demolition. It is because like if you’re trying to get rid of a building, you can’t risk damaging other property. So, it has to collapse into itself. Mhm. Like that’s the whole point of control demolition is like minimizing Yeah. exterior destruction. So, it’s like it literally collapsed into itself. Yeah. [snorts] Which is odd. Um because it’s like not a natural way that things collapse like Yeah. It doesn’t like fold in on itself. Mhm. Okay. Obviously, like there’s guys who specialize in making that happen. Like they they literally have to plan to create that situation.

Yeah. Um and then some claim that the fires in building 7 were not severe enough to explain the failure of a critical column and subsequent collapse. So I mean it’s kind of all the same thing that like you know were the fires I mean and we you got to think this is normal fires. This isn’t jet fuel fires. This is like correct this is like carpet fire. We’re talking like a computer fire. Yeah, we’re talking about a different scenario. A completely different type of thing than world. There’s no jet fuel. There’s no nothing. There’s no like It’s true. Super impact to like damage beams. Only thing possible to Jorge’s point is projectile debris.

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Yeah. Correctly. And I don’t know. You know what I mean? I know. It seems it seems crazy, but but it is chaos because you have two towers 100 plus stories each. God knows how much tonnage of just flying down and we’re 380 ft away. Look, I’m not denying that some hit the building. I’m not closer than I thought. I’m not I’m not denying hit the building. Like for sure that that that makes sense. But like, but back to the point of even their own findings, which is no building has ever gone down due to just fire. Yeah. And the fact that plane didn’t hit building 7.

Dude, if the only evidence I had was that video of the side by side, I would be convinced. Like 100% convinced. Like there’s you can’t say anything to me that this to tell me this building wasn’t controlled. I don’t care. I don’t care what you say. God, I love so much about conspiracies. It’s so crazy. I’m like, I just want to ask all these questions of like, but they’re all conspiracy related. I know, but you see, but this where we’re at, right? This is why I I specifically wanted to do it this way. Yeah. I didn’t want to get into conspiracy that cuz as we do, the final episode is a conspiracy episode.

Yeah. Yeah. And like, you know, we knew all the data first. You can get pissed at me or whatnot, but like I’ve made conspiracy claims without knowing everything about it. And then I felt like an when I actually like did like a lot of research into it. I’m like I’m not talking about like 911. I’m talking about other things. And I’m like Like maybe I look like a douche at this party like [laughter] with like yelling at people for like this conspiracy and like oh I didn’t like look into it at all. You know like I’m so proud of Sean. I’m not saying [laughter] this was like you know what I mean?

Like I you know he like he’s come a long way. You’re like four [laughter] years five years old bro. Like the No, if you if you getting on his side now, like No, no, no, no. It’s not even about like on my side. It’s more that he’s he he now subscribes to let’s get all of the data from before we go all all eight. I think it’s I think it’s important. I think it’s very important because like I feel like we’d be doing a disservice if we just like jump straight in. It’s a I agree because like and I also want people because like look like the people who listen to us like you know maybe not this specific topic but on other conspiracies I’m sure that you have an idea of what you think happened but then like after you hear everything maybe you change it maybe like actually I I still think it was a conspiracy but I think it was this or it’s like oh no maybe I think this was an accident or whatever the So that’s the point is like we’re a comedy podcast but we’re also educational.

Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Also, and we’ve learned so much in we’ve done uh 200 hours of this on on conspiracies and and what I’ve learned is that a lot of it is still a conspiracy, but it’s more people covering their asses. Oh, 100%. Oh, yeah. Does that make sense? It still is a conspiracy because you’re doing a cover up. Oh, for sure. And you’re protecting your own PR and your own image, but it but it’s not maybe what we thought originally. It’s still up, but it’s like it’s a little Yeah, it’s different. Yeah. So, now we’re going to get into Silverstein. So, this is regarding the lease, insurance, and pre-existing conditions of the building.

So, Mhm. this is the this is information and then we’ll get into the inconsistencies on it. So, uh July 24th, 2001, 6 weeks before the attacks, Larry Jesus Christ. Yeah. Larry Silverstein’s company signed a 99-year lease for the World Trade Center complex complex. the whole thing valued at roughly $3.2 billion. Uh as lease holder, he was contractually required to obtain insurance. Totally above, totally normal. So the policies totaled approximately $3.55 billion per occurrence. Terrorist coverage was standard in all risk commercial policies at the time. After the attacks, he argued the two impacts were separate occurrences and ultimately settled for about $4.55 billion. Is that true?

Yes. He literally said that they were two separate attacks. So therefore, he should get the he should get two he should get double payout. And he ended up getting he ended up getting 1.5 1.5%. 1.5 times I should say he got a payout and a half. So what was his payout? 4.55 billion. Is that true? Yes, that is a fact. That is actual fact. That’s what he got paid out. I did not know this. He got paid out $4.5 billion dollar. How can you live with Cuz he’s a could have paid for the entire 9/11 victim’s fund. Yep. Yeah. Didn’t the entirety of that fund was less than that.

100%. So, oh my god, that upsets me. I dude, I’m telling you, this is why this is a big part of the story cuz it’s so up. So, the towers had documented fireproofing limitations. Asbestous containing material was used on the the lower floors of the north tower. Non asbestous formulations with known adhesion and thickness variability were used elsewhere. Fireproofing upgrades in the 1990s through 2001 were incomplete. So this is back to we were talking about how like the fireproofing was was incomplete. Yeah. So the innovative lightweight floor trust system and the port authorities partial exemption from local codes are acknowledged in the NIS analysis as relevant to the collapse sequence.

So they’re saying that because this was like suck that kind of factored in. Yeah. So critics treat the timeline and financial arrangement is highly suggestive. So the lease and large insurance policy were finalized only 6 weeks before the attacks. This is like basic concept of true crime. Follow the money where the husband pulls out a life insurance on his wife like a month before and then the hus some weird circumstance and then he gets paid out a million dollars. It literally it’s exactly like that. Wow man. So his his subsequent So I was Yeah. Go ahead. That may So Eric [laughter] Oh man, let’s switch the samples on this.

I don’t like that, dude. It’s so like sus. I don’t like that. You’re starting to answer your why question. It’s so sus. Also, and and we’re a big proponent of if you go back listen to our episodes, we’re a big proponent of of uh money is generally connected. Oh, always. Almost almost always, right? And this is that this is that money or power. It’s a lot. At first I was thinking like oh you know okay yeah we you know oh now it’s after Saddam Hussein you know and like it’s about oil the war on terror but that’s like post 911 you know it’s not quite 911 this is so and there’s other yeah there’s other so I’m going to I’m going to give you I’m going to finish reading this and then I’m going to tell you a little tidbit so his subsequent legal effort to secure a double payout and his public comments about deciding to pull building 7 are frequently cited Uh the incomplete fireproofing, aging systems, high vacancy rates, and the port authorities’s long-standing desire to transfer risk via via privatization are presented as possible facilitating conditions or motives.

Some argue the buildings were already structurally and financially compromised, making a total loss insurance outcome more attractive than long-term repair and operation. So there’s um Wait, so did the 4.5 also cover building 7? No, that was just that was just the twin towers because that was that that was another two. Well, no, no, that was terrorist insurance that he got the 4.55 billion. That’s right. That was terrorist insurance. Then he still gets insurance. He still gets he still gets insurance. He still gets like total loss insurance on the on building 7 for sure. So people don’t really know this, but in order So they had this asbestous problem.

Yeah. And so I don’t I don’t know how accurate this is. This is what I watch in a couple documentaries, but apparently it would have cost him more than the building’s cost to fix the asbestous problem. Really? Yeah. It would have literally cost him like billions of dollars to to fix to fix cuz you cuz you have to redo the entire building both. Yeah. And so that’s why they’re saying it’s like, you know, it’s it’s it’s it’s more attractive to have a total loss than to try to like waste the money to fix it and like make the money back in rent cuz they they were they did have issues with vacancy.

So obviously we’ve Eric has been blindsided by this, but I hate it. The lease was signed six weeks before the attack. I mean, do we honestly don’t even say anything else? So if if I if I was a murder detective, you know, like, oh, we got another mud, a little gun. Yeah. Mhm. Uh, hot on the trail. And I saw that a husband pulled a life insurance on a wife who had just died. Well, 6 weeks prior to her death. Six weeks prior to her death. Mhm. And pulled a life insurance policy. I would be extremely suspect. Yeah. He would be I would say he is number one even more so if you if you insure against the reason that she dies.

Yes way terrorism insurance. So I pull out a million standard just to be fair. Okay. So let’s say well they had to they had to have it by So let’s say I pull a million dollar life insurance on my wife if she dies in a work accident. Let’s just say like a very vague but like a work accident. Yeah. Yeah. The computer like typing and electrocuted. [laughter] So, it’s a million dollars. I pull it out. 6 weeks later, she cranks her neck. Dead. Uhhuh. I get paid the million dollars. As a detective, I would say I’m number one suspect. Oh, you were 100%. You are number one.

Right. Yeah. Every every true crime thing we’ve ever seen says that. Yeah. And I think that and that’s concerning. Mhm. And I think the one of the biggest points about that is the fact that he tried to get double. He tried to argue that they were cuz it was 3.55 billion per occurrence. And so [clears throat] he tried to say that there were two separate occurrences, which is the shadyiest possible move. Meanwhile, Meanwhile, the 9/11 recovery fund is going on at the same time, and they’re trying to figure out how to pay out victims of that. And it’s it’s it’s a horrible scenario because you go, “What about the like how much is the janitor’s life worth compared to the broker on the 100th floor?” Yeah.

Like how do you pay that out? Right. But all of that is less money than what Silverstein got in the insurance payout. Yep. Just madness, dude. It’s maddening. It’s actually infuriating. Yeah. Sony couple like all of that with the building seven pulit kind of vibe. Like you think that he want he was like hell yeah like I want I want a complete I want all the money. Yeah. You think like I’m trying to get I’m trying to get that day trying to get my investment back. Imagine. Now I will say though it doesn’t mean it was an inside job. Okay. No. I know. It just it just makes him a little slimy, a little weird.

A little say that if you were the detective, he would be the primary suspect. Be the primary suspect for sure. Yeah. No, building seven. Oh, no. He he claimed the other ones. Yeah, he he he tried to do double claim on the on that was not terrorists. The other two were like, but he still gets complete loss. I wonder So, I wonder how much his payout was on building 72 just on it. Yeah. So, the 4.55 billion was just the payout for the terrorist insurance. Yeah. Insane. Yeah. Is he still alive? Silverstein? Uh, I think so. Uh, no. I think he is. He’s pretty old.

I think I think Oh, he’s super fast, dude. He’s like fossil. I mean, he was pretty old back then. What? 25 years. So, he’s 95. Oh, wow. He’s still alive. He’s old. Oh my god. Look at this guy. He looks like a cockroach. Yeah, he’s old as crazy. Yeah. Right. Doesn’t he look like a little like like a insect? Shitty. [snorts] [laughter] Look at that’s pretty much like we’ve we’ve covered most of the points on on on Silverstein really. It It doesn’t mean that he was the cause. It just means that he had the most gain theoretically. Totally. Like he’s walking over the bodies trying to get money.

Trying to get double pay. Yeah. Yeah. And he like and realistically it’s like he made Yeah. he made a he he signed a 99-year lease, right? July 24th, 2001, and he made a billion dollars in in the deal in in three months. Yeah. Made a billion dollar. You know what upsets me the most is that the entire time that he’s doing his insurance claim is the 9/11 fund, the victim’s fund. Oh, yeah. And it’s it’s even less than his payout. Yep. And that just bugs me. Super up. That bugs me. It’s super up. Anyways, so I mean that’s what we got for for this episode.

So I mean that’s really the that’s the New York side of the story. Mhm. So the Twin Towers, building 7, the ownership, the insurance picture. So in the next episode, we’ll move to the Pentagon, the hijackers, the evidence trail, and Osama bin Laden’s role, alleged prior connections to the United States. We’ll keep the same approach. official account first, then the inconsistencies and yeah, before we we leave, obviously we’ll continue this uh discussion probably most likely into Silverstein uh in the after hours. Yep. So, if you’re a Patreon member, please tune in for the after hours. And if you’re not a Patreon member, get with the program.

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