Hey everybody, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. What up, y’all. Back. How’s everybody doing? Doing good, brother. Yeah, yeah, man, yeah. Good week so far, yeah. It’s a Tuesday. Yeah, nice little Tuesday. Tuesday. What a Tuesday. So, uh, if you have not listened to episode one, this is going to be part two. Uh, we got a lot of good feedback actually on part one. Yeah, a lot of people thought it was, uh, pretty solid. Okay? Right? Surprising, people hate us. So what we’re going to do on part two is, there’s a lot of data to cover, so we’re going to try to just jump into it.

Um, this is of course a VIP from Big Worm. Y, y. So we got to give our love to, yeah, Big Worm, you know what I mean. Yeah, exactly. Uh, so, but we went over a lot in episode one, but it was basically the, the foundation of what, Okahoma City bombing, what happened, very basic, was General overview. Yeah, exactly, the dude. Andah, and, and one of the bigger questions that we had in that episode was, um, about the Rider Truck. Yeah, like how, how, identify from an axle? The good news is, the good news is, is in part two we have a little time to go.

Okay, what happened, and what, what is the actual data, how they do this. Yeah, so we, so we filled in that void, so to speak. Yeah, all right, fill my void. So you guys ready? You ready to kick it out? Void right here. So, so, as a recap, if you did not listen to episode one, please go back to part one. Uh, it’s kind of hard to, oh, it’s not even going to make sense at all. Make sense, you know, cuz there was definitely some details in, uh, part one that we even just now just mentioned. So you got to, like, do yourself a favor, it’s just, it’s not like we’re not trying to spam, like, listens.

Do yourself a favor, just do it. Although we kind of are. Yeah, listen to all of our entire catalog before listening to OKC. Grab every phone and iPad in your room, in your house, and put it on episode. Different emails, bpn, VPN. Okay. So one of the bigger things that we brought up was the tracking, and one of the biggest things in the trial was the rider truck. Yeah, yeah, that was like their irrefutable evidence. Yeah, exactly. And we were like, oh well, how do you have a VIN number? Actually, horge brought it up, which is, there is a VIN number on the ax. There was, I like the only, yeah, no, no, Jorge was right.

I mean, clearly the, the manufacturers were like, just in case, let’s just put it right there. So, in the immediate aftermath of the OKC bombing, uh, amidst the devastation, Etc, the FBI’s investigation began by searching for any evidence that could help identify the vehicle used in the attack. What they found proved to be a crucial piece of evidence, which was the rear axle. Yeah, uh, it had been blown several blocks away from the Murray building. Oh damn, that’s a huge, blew up half a goddamn building, this small but significant Discovery would become the key to the trial and to uncovering everything. So the part of the rear axle that investigators recovered contained a VIN number.

This is a vehicle identification number. It’s also weird, it’s like, why would you put on the axle, because couldn’t you, like, technically replace the axle? Yeah, but, like, I think by, like, not default, what’s it called, o OEM or whatever, they just, everything just comes like that. Good point. Yeah, they’re like, stamp, like this. Yeah, like Factory. I did look it up, and manufacturers often stamp or etch VIN numbers on multiple main parts of a vehicle. Okay, especially in a rental scenario, cuz they’re trying to track their assets. True, true. Okay, uh, especially in cases of theft, accidents, or criminal investigations, and the practice proved critical in this case because it’s literally what caught.

I know, it’s like a, it’s like vehicle DNA. Yeah, exactly. So the VIN was traced back to a rider truck rental, and agents were able to quickly determine that the vehicle had been rented from one of the branches in Junction, Junction City, Kansas. And this was the first, like, clue. This was the first, they’re hot on the case. Yeah, like, just imagine, you’re an investigator and you’re like, we got something, get the boys in here. Johnny, Johnny, we’ve got something. Yes. So once the FBI identified the specific writer rental agency, they immediately interviewed the employees who were at the rental facility. You know, they are like topnotch.

That’s right, top, top tier, high IQ individuals. A key Witness from the rental agency in Kansas recalled that a man who had rented the truck used the name Robert cing. H, despite the fake name, the employee remembered the man well, describing him as tall, with short light brown hair, and providing enough detail for the FBI to create a composite sketch. How did he run it with, he, a fake ID too, that, that Robert cing? Well, I mean, this is the ’90s, yeah, there’s not a lot of, like, like, you might not even have to give a license, like, here’s some cash, just rent, rent me the truck.

So, at the time, they made, uh, and I didn’t, I don’t have it here in a photo, but they, they, they made a sketch. It was the first FBI sketch. We’ll put it up on the, on the thing, things. And, um, this was the first sketch. Now, for conspiracy theorists, the witness at the rental agency said there was a second person. Well, then what about his, was it like his homie? Yeah, there was, like, guys that were, no, but he was out of state. No, but there was two other guys, there was one that got arrested, n, and whatever. Yeah, the one, the one who, like, knew about it but didn’t say [bleep], and then the other one who was like involved.

Right, that’s right. Yeah, but these guys were verified as being out of state, both of them. Yes. Oh, okay. I mean, also, I mean, let me just give, let me just give a quick example, though, me and Eric, uh, and his wife, we all went to a wedding one year, and we, Eric had purchased a rental car, and we get to the rental car place, and it was verified, everything, and they get to there, and they don’t have cars. Yeah, true story. And we’re like, but what did we pay for? They’re like, I don’t know, [bleep] was verified. Like, Eric’s like, look at the confirmation that I have a vehicle waiting for me, and they were like, yeah, we don’t have any cars.

Very true story. And they’re like, saying, like, sometimes verifications, they’re like, go to DC and pick up another one, and I’m like, bro, how do we get to DC first? All we ubered, we ubered to this place that was like an hour away from the, the airport that we flew into. Still [bleep], mad, $150 later, just to tell you, no confirmation. I’m sorry, I know, they’re literally like, and then we look, every rental agency within like 20 miles was like empty. Oh my God. So then we had to get another Uber, and then we finally found one. So the FBI, the FBI examined the rental records, uh, for that, rer, rider truck, and they determined that it had been rented on April 17th.

Now, the bombing happened on April 19th, okay, so it’s two days earlier. Yeah, this allowed them to establish a tight timeline for when the bombing was planned and executed. Okay, while the truck was crucial in transporting the bomb, the investigation also sought to trace the materials that were used to construct the explosive device. Investigators followed leads to local hardwood stores, agricultural suppliers, discovering that large quantities of ammonium, ammonium nitrate fertilizer had been purchased in the weeks leading up to the attack. Okay, this material, combined with fuel, was used to make this powerful bomb. The FBI soon connected the purchases of these materials to Timothy McVey.

I wonder how, like, how big are we talking about, like, how big is the actual bomb, like, size of, that’s a great question. I mean, he had a ride, or truck, so he’s got, great question, big enough to, you have to have a moving truck to put it in. So, uh, or is that just what he got, like, that’s what I’m saying, it’s not like a [bleep], it’s not like this big and he’s like, all right, now. No, no, it was like, fck, all I got is a rider truck, all right, I’ll take you. Probably like barrels and barrels full. Correct, he’s right. Yeah, yeah, so, and we were going to bring this up later, but we’ll bring it up now, cuz it’s a great question, right, which is that there was a witness, and it was the wife of one of the guys who got convicted, the nichels guy.

Yeah, and they were talking, is that the guy that didn’t say anything, or the other one that actually helped put everything together, or whatever, it was the, it was the main other guy, like it was, it was. Yeah, his name is Nichols, the guy that actually helped build the bomb, Terry Nichols. Terry Nichols, sounds like, sounds like, but they were having, they were having, like, a, they were having, like, a wine night, like a, like a thing, SP, a [bleep] bomb, bro. And so, and so, apparently, per the wife, this is what she testified in court, and she said that he explained, by using a cans of soup, you know, like, C, yes, and he said, that’s how big it’s going to be compared to, let’s say this is the truck, okay, and then that’s a, that’s a can, that’s a barrel, that’s a barrel, yeah, and there’s like six or seven barrels in the rider truck.

Wow. I mean, no wonder it was able to do that, like, if you guys remember from, uh, episode one, like, basically 90% of the building, or something like that, right, it came down, like, basically the more than half. Yeah, yeah, pretty crazy. I mean, it’s wild, it’s the destructive power of bombs. Yeah, so the FBI soon connected the purchases. Of these materials to Timothy McVey and Terry Nichols, and it further narrowed their focus on the individuals that were involved. The rider trck rental provided the first concrete link between McVey and the bombing, as Witnesses described him as the man who rented the vehicle under his Alias.

What was, like, [bleep] stupid Alias, like Robert cling. Rubber cling, like, what. It’s perfect, exactly. So the recovery of the truck’s axle and the identification of the VIN were pivotable in moments in the FBI investigation. Without this piece of evidence, tracking down and linking him to the crime would have been more difficult. Uh, if you remember, in episode one he was pulled over for not having a license plate. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, like, you idiot, like, what are you doing. And so actually, what happened is, is the FBI, or, or the investigators in the case, they were like, oh, there’s this guy who’s been arrested, and for a few days they didn’t actually piece together that it was him.

So this is like a random dude, he’s like in the, he’s waiting for B. Yeah, and so eventually, as you piece these things together, you were like, oh, it’s the same guy with all these ties to this situation. Yeah, anyways, I’m, see, is this, is this the one of the only, like, legit FBI investigations in the history of the FBI, like, damn, seems like they were, they were putting the work. They wer, well, that’s because it didn’t take place in the 60s, 7s, all the other, all the other St were like fot. Sounds like the guy, they learned, they learned the lesson by now. So we kind of touched on this earlier, but when he was arrested, uh, he was wearing a shirt, and I mean, take this as you will, you know, you guys, you guys decide, uh, it was a shirt that featured the image of Abe Lincoln, and on the back of it was the quote from Thomas J.

Okay, and then the back was, the tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots. Well, then why would you put, like, Abraham Lincoln on it, like, no. And then on the front was sixer tyrannis, which was, what was it, what, it’s what John WIS Booth, like, the guy killed Abe Lincoln, he shot him, jumped on the stage, and said, in front of everybody, that’s right, that’s right. Yeah, and, and, and translation is, thus always to tyrants, thus always to tyrants, that’s right. Yeah, what is it, thus always, thus always to tyrant, that’s the translation. F, does that mean, yeah, are you ready?

So the phrase six Seer tyrannus is Latin for thus always to tyrants, and is often used to imply that tyrants will always, or will ultimately face Justice or downfall. The phrase came, Tyrant, the, the phrase came from Brutus, which was one of Julius Caesar’s assassins. To Brutus, who, yes, exactly, who is said to have spoken it during Caesar’s assassination in 44 BC, signifying that Caesar, viewed as a tyrant, was receiving the, like the comeuppence, like he was receiving what he got because he was the Tyrant. I mean, I mean, that’s, be like real talk though, like Cesar julus Caesar was kind of a, yeah, I know, he’s like portrayed as, like, this super badass dude, but he pretty much usurped power and was like, right, this is ROM, I’m Emperor, Roma is my [bleep] now, [bleep] you, didn’t really, couldn’t really do anything about it.

So, so essentially, when Abe Lincoln was killed, John W boo thought he was the Tyrant of America, right, which is, maybe, maybe John wils boo was like a, yes, was like a southerner, he very much were, he very much was, yeah, he very much was, son of [bleep]. So it kind of became a rallying, it became like a rallying cry, sounds like skit, it became like a anti-government rallying crying. So you got to, this is hundreds of years, right, right, of, so you, you think he actually, like, bought this shirt way ahead of time, he’s got Thomas J on the back, he knew this, he’s got, he got John mil’s Booth on the front, this [bleep] probably just grabbed something from, like, the dirty laundry that day.

Escape outfit, yeah, kind of like laid out, like, oh yeah baby, like, ironed the T-shirt, the T-shirt, make sure it had the crisp on the side, like starched it, yeah, it’s all like clean, like, it’s like, he’s like, [bleep], I should have remembered to put the license plates on. Well, I got the shirt, I was too busy getting my outfit ready. But I mean, the, the, the idea being is that he thought, now, now there’s a lot more info that you could go into, and if, if you, as listeners, want to dive into his life before the, the bombing, you can, for sure, which is that he, there’s something called Ruby Ridge, um, and there’s something called w m, and about last episode, just a Waco one.

Yeah, this W Ruby Ridge was horrible, uh, it was actually horrible, and, uh, it was a overreach of power of the US government, and so they went in, and, just imagine, you’re like’s never done that before, boys. Yeah, so, so imagine you’re part of the ATF, and then, like, you’re like, oh, this, this family needs to, like, they haven’t registered their guns, and we’re going to take them, and then all of a sudden escalates out of control, and then you accidentally shoot their children, that’s what happened, Ruby Rich, right? So if you’re, you’re all of a sudden thinking that it’s a very big brothery, well, hell yeah, I mean, look, and I, I’m on board with that, but, you know, [bleep] bombing a building to, like, like random, like, [bleep] clerical workers for the government’s, not going to, like, yeah, like that.

Try doing your, now, [bleep], but I mean, historically, so, what if you want, wanted to go back into Timothy mcvey’s life, you go, you, like, he was at, remember, he was at wakeo, his influences, this influen, yes, and he’s like, oh, anti-government, okay, you know, oh, our founding fathers, let’s put Thomas J on my back, which is, that the blood needs to be spilled of tyrants from time to time with Patriots, and then, and then, on the front is, you know what I mean, joh, I don’t know, I, I’m trying to, I’m trying to give his view, I understand that, yeah, yeah, I just don’t know that he really pled that much, like, he just bought a t-shirt, yeah, I just think it was one of his, like, many, got crazy ass t-shirt, got Tik Tok shot, yeah, yeah, exactly, 599, okay.

And also, it’s like, I hate that, like, you’re using past presidents to, like, justify, like, thing, like, oh yeah, like, see, they had to deal with it, I’m like, well, I mean, we’re not in the same situation as, like, England, like, lording over us, right? Yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s, it is fun, I don’t agree, and there’s a lot of [bleep] that’s happening that does suck, and, like, you know, I believe the government constantly is abusing its power and misusing our tax dollars all the time, all the time, yeah, but I wouldn’t necessarily, me, I wouldn’t view it as, like, oh, you know, they’re going to send their [bleep] Army over here to [bleep] murder all of us because we’re, like, you know, like corre.

Yeah, well, remember, he was also in the, uh, I think it was the army, or something, and he went through all that, that left, that left that bad taste in his mouth, or whatever, about the government and all that [bleep]. So it’s like years and years of buildup, yeah, that’s a good point, not trying to justify anything, I’m just saying, like, we’re trying to, we’re trying to get in his head, yeah, we’re trying to get in his head, we’re analyzing this. So, in addition to the T-shirt, McVey was also found to be carrying a card in his wallet with a similar anti-government sediment, the clothing Choice, along with the materials that he had on him, demon red his extremist views.

Yeah, that’s the idea, yeah, but once, say it’s a [bleep] t-shirt, yeah, exactly, it’s just a t-shirt, like, let beon, I agree with you, yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz, like, what if he was just an innocent dude, and they’re like, n, sorry brother, know some bad [bleep] just happened, you were the wrong, you were the wrong shirt, you’re an extremist, yeah. But so, as we go forward, right, so then there’s the case, the case against Timothy McVey was built on an overwhelming amount of evidence against him, right, that he was executed, yeah, he was convicted and executed, right, so here are a couple of things that are, that were the main parts of the case.

Yeah, so take it as, take it as, so obviously the writer rental, for sure. Yeah, yeah, the, the VIN number was tracked to him as an alias who he rented, didn’t they have, like, they, like, CCTV? No, yeah, that, that’s what I was going to say, yeah, so they, they have a video of him, but it’s at, like, McDonald’s next door. I mean, that’s pretty, that’s very, it’s still circumstantial, but it’s, it’s, yeah. Now, for conspiracy theorist, and put this in your cap, put it for later, yep, there were two, yeah, two, what, people, it wasn’t just McVey, two people at the same time ranting that truck.

Yes, what if, I wonder if the other one was just kind of like in the room, and, like, correct, there’s, that’s the, this is why we have the podcast, this is honestly. So, so when they came out, and they, the initial part of the rental was, they did two sketches, one was obviously McVey, it looked like mcy, okay, the other guy was like wearing almost like a Carolina Panthers hat, uh, like, you know, with, you have, you know, you have, you have, like, you have, like, like a slash, you know, where, like, their Panthers, yeah, it’s like, it’s like this, three little [bleep] whatever, that kind of thing, but that, uh, that is the biggest part of this whole conspiracy, yeah, is that eventually they said the FBI said that was wrong, and he was just a guy there, just like a Rand.

So just imagine you’re. At, you’re renting a truck, yeah, yeah, Jorge is the murderer, Jorge is the Killer, and I’m just like there, and you’re just there renting a truck, and then you, you have a sketch of a guy, he’s got a little mustache, he’s got a little widow’s peak, it looks exactly, it looks exactly you, and he tatted out, right, would be like, no, and, you know what I mean, you got, you got sleeves, that sort of thing, and then you become part of, become just because you, yes, but you were maybe, and I wear like a slightly anti-establishment te, like, this is the [bleep], but essentially it could be go either way, it could be that you were with him or you were not, but I do think it’s interesting how the, the employee was like, oh, I can describe him so much, but then didn’t say [bleep].

But what did he say about the second dude, like, wouldn’t he have known if they were together, wouldn’t that be like the one, like the easiest thing to remember, yeah, two dudes rented a truck together. Well, some, that’s the thing is, is, is in all of this we, we’ve learned very much that Witnesses are the worst, they’re the worst, they’re the worst humans. He gives, like, a detailed composite SK, he was like, there was another dude, they don’t know, they don’t know what they’re talking about, or, like, you know, they, I don’t know, they want to get Fame, they want to get whatever, you, I’m DB Cooper, I don’t [bleep] anything, I help you with the sketch, yes, it’s me, uh, it’s a 63.

But again, but again, put that back into your little cap for later, yeah, yeah, okay good. So a couple other things in the trial, um, there was a hotel, or motel, called Dreamland Motel, mcy stay. Mcy Stayed at a motel near Junction City in the days leading up to the bombing, charged by the hour there, I bet. They, well, quick side note, have you ever stayed somewhere by the hour? No, but I went into one in, I went into one in Jersey, and then, you know, it was like, whatever, how many hours, yeah, for real, I was like, hey, let me get room whatever, yeah, it, it’s in Jersey, like, random, I was like doing that road siding thing or whatever, right, so, like, [bleep], 11:00 at, I just pull over wherever, right, and then, uh, and, and then, uh, then he asked, like, oh, okay, like, how many hours do you need, and it didn’t, like, really register at first, I’m just like, [bleep], tired, I want, you guys serve breakfast in the morning, like Continental, you got continental breakfast here, you need any assist.

Anyways, then all of a sudden I just, like, noticed, uh, that he had a little, like, a little promo of one of the, um, the beds, like, heart shap, heart-shaped beds. My God, I’m like, oh, [bleep], okay, this is not the, not the place, you know what, I’m actually not tiing at all, actually, my van looks pretty good right now, van, a van, white van, of course, full of rugs, white man with no, with white van with no, uh, no windows. So he registered under the name of Tim Tuttle, and that was another Alias that he frequently used. A hotel clerk later identified McVey from the photo in the sketch as the man who stayed there during that relevant time period.

I mean, it’s starting to, the more we go, the, the less compelling this evidence, because, come, it’s all heay, a, no video, I thought at least they would have a video of him walking up in the store, the truck, phone calls, the 90s, it wasn’t like there were records, there were record, there was not even cell phones, was there, said, you to be hot, you had to be real hot, you had to, like, the car phone with, Z Morris car phone, car phone, I said cell phone, Z Morris, no, I meant like a cell phone, like, like, yeah, I’m, there’s not that much surveillance, like, there is anacott steel wants to sell Steels, Steels says no, I’m [bleep].

Yeah, uh, so records from the Dreamland Motel show that McVey made phone calls to Terry Nichols from the hotel, and that was one of the, the homies, mhm, right, caller, help me up, what up. Uh, McVey, along with his accomplice Terry Nichols, had purchased large quantities of ammonian nitrate fertilizer, the key ingredient in the bomb, from various supply stores, of which they have the receipts. Okay, I was going to say, like, how do they, do they have, like, CR, they have the receipts. These purchases were traced through sales records and iwitness accounts from each of those stores. Okay, eyewitness, mhm. Storage units, some, some of the bomb making materials were stored in a rented storage unit that was later traced back to mcfay and Nichols.

Okay, I mean, you, you need, need a lot of fer, fertilizer, you need a lot of that [bleep], you need to put it somewhere. Okay, mcvey’s arrest. McVey was arrested 90 minutes after the bombing during a routine traffic stop by OKC Highway Patrol Charles Hangar. McVey had been driving and was found to be carrying a concealed firearm, the license plate, and, without a license plate, no license plate, we, yeah, we established that in the last, license plag, he got pulled over, and he, like, let me see your license, I was going to say, cuz driving without a license, they can arrest you for that, but I wonder if they can arrest you, li plate, license, no license, they can drive, they can rest that, driv, license plate, license plate too, yeah, that means that you’re, in essence, you’re driving an unregistered vehicle, right, they’re like, we have to impound the vehicle now, that’s not true, cuz if you had registration, if you had registration, this isn’t Jersey, isoma, [bleep], son, step out of the car, son, son, how many hours, why do they always call you son, I know, right?

Okay, anyway, go on, br, that [bleep], yeah, son, I know, not that much older than me, [bleep], what the [bleep], I’m 40 years old, God damn it, I’m actually older than you, sir, yeah, sir, sir, son, son, sir, dad, let me, son, you, I’m son. [Laughter]. You, okay, so, in addition, and then we didn’t bring it up in the last episode, but he was carrying a concealed weapon, oh dude, and this is probably the time where you got, you got to have a license for that [bleep]. Oh hell yeah, you got to, he was taken into custody and held for the violations. Now, again, he, he was held for a couple days, and nobody actually put it together, yeah, there’s, like, it was very similar to Lee Harvey Oswell, you remember Lee Harvey, like, he’s like, he’s like, yeah, there’s a guy here, oh, he’s in the station right now, in the interrogation room, very similar.

Yeah, at the time of his arrest, again, we talked about the T-shirt, uh, tree of Liberty, Etc, John W’s Booth, all that sort of thing, um, McVey and Nicholls had purchased the materials used to construct the bomb, including ammonium, ammonium, go ahead Sean, ammonium nitrate, ammonium nitrate and nitromethane, mcvey’s fingerprints were found on some of the receipts for the purchases, directly linking him to the bomb’s ingredients and the purchase of those ingredients. Why, why is the [bleep] going to keep the receipt, yeah, what an idiot, had the receipt, like, chilling at his house, like, what an idiot, why, why is he, like, there, taxes, like, right, right off, can I claim the bomb, can I claim the bomb, again, it goes back to unrealized game, again, it goes back to the ineptitude of our Criminal Minds, you know what I mean.

Like, the car, the car McVey was driving was arrested, was a 1977 Mercury Marquee. Investigators found evidence inside the car, including a map that was a draw, there was a drawn line from Kansas to Oklahoma, which, which suggested premeditation and planning. Additionally, McVey had removed the license plate, it’s like not do any highways or anything, it’s just a line, supposedly, though McVey removed the license plate because he was trying to avoid detection, but it doesn’t really make sense, because it, it almost is, like, almost like Target on you, avoid detection while drawing. So again, it goes either to the conspiracy, or it goes to the inaptitude of the criminal.

I mean, I, so far inaptitude for me, just there’s, hell, I think it a little bit of both, hella ineptitude, but then, now it’s like, now some of the evidence is like the fingerprints on the receipts, okay, I can’t really, like, deny that fact, but, like, all the other stuff, there’s, like, no, it’s all eyewitnesses, yeah, that was, you describe to me what he looked like, yep, that was him, what you just described, white male, uh, brown hair, done, done, done, him, that the most racist thing I’ve ever heard in my life, average height, 5, definitely races. Okay, so then there was testimony from his accomplice at the trial, of course, this, this cinched it, of this locked it down, talk about, uh, ter, that was, but let’s say hypothetically, let’s say they, like, so the homie sold you out.

Well, no, but, but listen, like, say we’re on, we’re all on trial, and it’s like, even if, even if I’m innocent, they’re going to be like, well, it’s either, you, either you knock on his brown ass, or you’re [bleep] going to jail. For I’ll be like, can he, he’s, he threatened my life, he, he called me v i, but put it, I don’t trust you guys, you guys would snitch on me right away. I would never snitch on you, yeah, first all, I, I believe Sean, never, I don’t know about Eric, he, he’s a snitcher man. I know, was a white male, a really hairy mine is the hair, I’m 510, on a solid day, solid day when my posher is really in, I’m 510, he’s wearing a, he’s wearing a Gilligan Island hat, he just says minana, how racist is [Laughter] that, m, uh, my son was like, what does that mean, I was like, just tomorrow, bro, go back to Spanish class, kid, son, son, son, son.

Okay, where were we. Okay, so this is some of the testimony, yeah, Terry Nichols. Who helped McVey in the planning stages was arrested and tried as a co-conspirator. Evidence showed that Nichols helped McVey gather and purchase the materials for the bomb, including buying the bags of ammonian nitrate and barrels of the fuel oil. Yeah, homie just bought them with him, so of course he’s like part of it, he’s in, no, 100%, like, no one’s that stupid. Yeah, so now there was another one, which is Michael Fortier, now he was the guy who was like, I can’t do this anymore, oh, he was like, he knew about it, he was like, this, forget about me, I didn’t know, he was like, initially going to, like, be in on it with him, yeah, I thought he just, well, it was very much, very much anti government, like, oh, really, hey, we’re like on the crew, [bleep], yeah, [bleep] hate these [bleep], he’s like, I thought this was like a for thing, he’s like, I’m just like, Anonymous, and then, is like, let’s bomb this [bleep], I thought we were just Miller Light talking, was just ch, can’t do this.

No, I’m glad we’re doing this episode, because on episode one it just kind of seemed like, H, they told him about it and he knew, he just didn’t speak up. I think he was part, he was, like, he was revving him up, he was like, he literally, he literally said, I can’t be part of it, and he left the state, but Josh, should really do it, I ain’t going to be part of it, but, but do it now, now. And we’ll talk about, we’ll talk about a little bit later, but also, he didn’t report it, right, which is why he got arrested, and that’s right, he had 12 years.

Yeah, so Michael Fortier, a close friend of mcvey’s, testified that McVey had revealed his plan to bomb the Federal Building months before they attack. Fortier, Fortier, forer, also helped McVey in the case, the Federal Building, he cased out the building basically, okay, like, he was inv, this [bleep] is going to C. In exchange for a reduced sentence, Fortier cooperated with the government and testified against McVey, so he’s the one who sold, okay, went down the river, yeah, went down the river. He provided the crucial Insider information on mcvey’s motivations and his actions leading up to the bomb. Uh, his wife Lori testified, also, that she helped McVey create the fake ID to, you to rent the, the writer truck, damn, wow, she did, she get time, yeah, like this, no, she didn’t, she didn’t, but she actually, she didn’t get integral piece then.

Yeah, so additional information on the trial, this, we’re, we’re all doing this, is all the trial, yeah, this is all coming out from the trial. So forensic analysis of mcvey’s clothing from the day of the bombing revealed, and this is the shirt, remember, the, the [bleep] AB Lincoln shirt, yeah, yeah, uh, revealed traces of explosives that match the chemical composition of the bomb used in the attack. I’m Miriam Sandler, founder of Mother Good, play at home activities often require those coin-shaped lithium batteries, and I never realized how many until I started replacing them. Now I only use the world’s first 3in1 child Shield by Energizer, it’s the coin lithium battery I trust to help keep my kids safe, with child resistant packaging, a bitter taste to deter swallowing, and their exclusive color alert technology that turns mouths blue when it touch a saliva, to learn more visit energizer.com.

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I would wonder, I would wonder, that could, like, just playing devil’s, here is it possible to get some of that residue on you from being in proximity of the explosion, like, even if you’re not, like, in the expl, can it, like, the wind blow some [bleep] on you? That’s a good question, what were you doing there that I cannot explain, social, I was just walking by the [bleep] bomb goes off, the, uh, it was a social security office too, maybe he was like checking his benefits, maybe he was like really securing that fake, that fake identity. Several witnesses reported seeing McVey in the vicinity of the Murray Federal Building on the morning of the bombing, as well as driving, their Witnesses saying that he was driving the rider trck.

How [bleep], okay, that, that’s [bleep], again, it comes back down to the witnesses, and do you remember any other person that you don’t personally know that you’ve seen, in, no, ever, especially not an average looking dude, like, you’re not going to remember that [bleep]. I cannot tell you a single human who I don’t know personally who I’ve seen, I mean, maybe if she was like a hot chick, I like, I remember 100%, in like a convertible, red shirt, she had like a, she had like a, like a, like a necklace, like a, she had bangs, was a very, but to your point, yeah, it’s like, I don’t, is a dude, no, l, i, like, I literally went to Publix, ear, I don’t, I can’t even tell you what the cashew look like, true, and I was talking to him, true, during the investigation, is that the self checkout, you’re talking to yourself, a handsome looking man in that mirror they have there, I hate self checkout, it’s the worst, I like it when you have two things, it’s like cleaning and then you’re done, that’s it, yeah, they should give you a disc.

That, during, during the investigation, the, uh, law enforcement uncovered anti-government writings by mcfay, including letters and manest, where he expresses anger at the federal government, particularly in response to incidents like the Waco Siege and Ruby rid. Now, I don’t know if you know this, but this was a anniversary of wakeo, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I think we said that in the first one, can’t, I mean, you can’t push that aside, if, if we did something and it was like September 11th, yeah, you have to kind of go, especially that he was there in wo, you know, it’s even more like connected to him, it’s like emotionally tied to it or whatever.

And if, if you didn’t know that, we’ll put it on Instagram, which is, there’s a video of him being filmed selling bumper sckers at the wo. Oh yeah, yeah, we’ll put on Instagram, and, and, and we’ll show you exactly what happened. Yeah, but McVey believed that the federal government had overstepped its bounds and wanted to take, uh, action in like a retaliatory way, yeah, mhm, uh, his ideological beliefs, deeply rooted in anti-government sediment, were Central to the motivation of his attack, and that was what was presented to the jury. And this is, and this, see, this is why I think the, at least my conspiracy radar goes off, is that maybe it’s not a conspiracy that he did it, cu, I mean, it seems, evidence is, there’s a lot of, like, legit evidence, not like a bunch of [bleep] evidence, but maybe it’s like painting this picture of anyone who has any sort of anti-government, like, thoughts, you know, hardworking people who don’t want to kill people, who, but are still, like, hey, what the [bleep], like, they become categorized and grouped into, and that’s when you start getting, like, you know, these people kind of become, like, segregated from, like, normal society, like, oh, don’t you, don’t trust your government, extremist, like, oh, conspiracy theorist, and it’s like all this [bleep], and, like, you end up becoming, like, they try to make you, you get made into a pride, and you get made to, like, anyone who doesn’t trust the government, it’s a psycho, they have done, that’s what I think they’re trying to push this Nar, they have done a wild job at, at even the word conspiracy, yeah, like, it sounds like a crazy person, yeah, it sounds like something wildy nuts, one, conspiracy theorists, all conspiracy is, is, is a, it’s more than one person who are literally in cahoots to try to commit some sort of, some sort of crime, or some sort of illegal activity, that’s it’s all, it’s all conspiracy, it, like, if we, like, we’re going to rob 7eleven, conspiracy, yeah.

Uh, there was a book that he was apparently heavily influenced by, which was the Turner Diaries, and it’s a novel that depicts a violent overthrow of the US government, and it included, like, a detailed, uh, description of a bomb in a truck, similar, wow, you know what I mean, like, again, it was a piece of evidence that was brought forth, okay, yeah, uh, that’s like the, uh, like the Cur current time, it’s more like this, uh, the video games, like modern warfare, desensitizing [bleep] with the school shoo, is exhibit A, back then it was like novels, we read, no, no, books, whoa. Again, in the trial, they had three to five, I, it’s kind of like some of them are vague, and they, they say, oh, I saw a guy, but you know what I mean, so it depends on how you, is that guy in this room, yeah, like, you, it depends on how you want to, like, quantify, like, which witness said that they saw him, because it was a, like, a crew cut white male, didn’t necessarily say it was MC, America could have been him, yeah, exactly, and so they said, they didn’t say it wasn’t him at the trial, there were, there were a few witnesses that said they saw somebody who looked like mcve at the bomb site, hence, I mean, this is also Oklahoma, I’m pretty sure they all, like, me, 90% of them look like [bleep], and then the last major part of the trial was, he.

Showed zero remorse. Yeah, that’s what I’ve seen too, is he was kind, you saw the interviews and stuff like that, he’s like, you know, what’s wrong, nothing wrong with that, dude, yeah, he actually thought he, it seemed like he thought he did like a good thing, did a good thing, yeah, that’s why I was like, okay, maybe this guy, maybe the, the conspir, like I said, I think the conspiracy is not that he didn’t do it, but it’s, right, yeah, this is like one of those things, you know, for examp, helping him, and it’s like, you, you get to turn the air, like, after 911, like, the Patriot Act comes out, and it’s like, everyone’s like, yes, of course, of course we’ll vote for it, but they’re like, they don’t read all the fine print, yeah, and it’s like, oh yeah, well technically, if you’re deemed a terrorist, you lose all human rights, yeah, yeah, and they’re like, we can literally, but again, it goes, it can be like weaponized against American citizens, exactly, yeah, exactly, yeah, but again, it goes back to, uh, I mean, [bleep], he’s, he killed 19 kids, I’m not, he’s a piece of, no, I know, I’m not saying, like, you’re saying anything, I’m just saying, like, how do you justify that, like, I don’t, you can’t, like, it doesn’t, even if for a cause, it’s un, just doesn’t make sense to me, yeah, yeah, like, you know, unless you’re a psycho, yeah, yeah, yeah, he just [bleep] doesn’t process it the same as we do.

So, so he was, um, you know, all that evidence in, in the media turned, I don’t want to say the media turned against him, but I mean, public sediment turned against him, essentially, from all that evidence, yeah, and, um, he was convicted, and he was sentenced to death, and he was put to death, yep, yeah, you know, and, um, don’t feel bad about him, you know, there you go. So there are, now getting to the meat of it all, the meat of the conspiracy side, by the way, he’s the only one that got, um, sentenced to death, right, of the, of the other, actually we had, we had some of the numbers wrong, and, uh, hopefully you listen to this whole episode, so we fix it, we fix it, uh, but, uh, Terry got life in prison, okay, Terry, okay, that’s guy, the guy that help, was like involved for, got 12 years, so we got it mixed up, and his life got zero, yeah, [bleep], [bleep], so he’s already out, Forte out, he’s the guy, he’s the guy who’s like, I’m out, I can’t do this, I don’t want to be part of this, BL, but he didn’t report it, yeah, yeah, and then Fortier got life imprison, he’s still imprison, but not death, okay, got it, and McVey was executed, exed, yeah, correct, okay, good, good, good.

He guyses want to talk about conspiracies, yes, what, you got waiting for. Okay, one of the most well-known alternative theories revolves around the alleged existence of a second accomplice, refer, referred to as joho number two. Numerous Witnesses claim to have seen MC in the company of another man at various points leading up to the bombing, including the, at the ryer truck rental agency, some describ this individual has a having a different physical appearance from Terry Nichols, okay. Several witnesses, including employes at Ryder, the Ryder Rental agency, describe McVey with another man at the same time as renting the truck, even in the FBI records it says John Doe number two, oh [bleep], but they were just like, you know what, this is so [bleep] cut and dry, like, we’re not going to waste time, we need a quick conviction.

In addition to that, FBI, have they have a second sketch of John do number two? Oh, so they did, give a, they did, they fully went forward with, there’s another guy, oh [bleep], wow. So there’s a dude that’s like on the loose, right, yes, but the FBI later said he was just a dude, oh, they were like renting a truck at the same time, and I mean, happened to be there, and, like, got included, worst at the worst time. Yeah, so, despite extensive searches and the sketches, Etc, the person was never identified, and the FBI later concluded that, F, that John do number two didn’t exist, attributing it to a confusion of witness misidentification.

Well, I mean, duh, I think that’s, that happened, if they didn’t have all the other evidence, I’d be like, [bleep] is innocent, but then he kind of, like, owns to, like, okay, so here’s the theory, the theory is that the FBI either did not investigate it fully, or they covered it up, they believe that John do number two may have been part of a larger group, or a network that helped plan and execute the bombing, suggesting a wider conspiracy that included McVey, Nicholls, and additional parties, like, it’s like a whole, like, it’s a whole, like, chat group. That’s right, I mean, that’s totally possible, for sure, definitely possible, it’s possible, it’s a stretch, I, I just, I mean, it’s possible, but that’s all we have to go on is the sketch and the guy, but I think that, again, it’s the example of, like, you’re renting it, and then, I’m behind you, hey, and am I part of you, or am I with you?

So I think it’s possible, but if that were the case, and that means there’s a lot more probably in that group, there’s not just one more guy, no, know, there’s like a Syndicate of, and if that were the case, you’re talking about some domestic terrorist group, that it would have come to light, I feel like, like I feel like the FBI would have put that out there, yeah, um, especially with what happened, like, it was so [bleep], it was like the biggest news, and it was so public, it was like, it was Nationwide, I mean, obviously it was like [bleep] huge ass bombing, so it’s, it’s almost like, n, like imagine that with 911, like, they would have been like, okay, there’s this domestic terrorist group, it was just three dud, that was it, yeah, no, more no, yeah, I, I don’t know, okay, all right, we soak that in, take that in there, yeah.

Okay, then there’s one called the Alum Elohim city, which is a white supremacist compound in Eastern Oklahoma that had connections to the various, right, uh, extremist groups. Several conspiracy theories suggest that members of this community may have been involved in planning or assisting in the O OKC bombing, m, McVey. It was reported that McVey made contact with those individuals at the Alim City, I don’t know if I’m saying Alim, Elohim, [bleep] wild name though, yeah, yeah, Elohim City, prior to the bombing, according to the telephone records, McVey made a call to the compound days before the attack. This led to speculation that McVey sought assistance or collaboration, I mean, this would tie into his whole, like, Abraham Lincoln’s a piece of tyrant, that’s right.

So but these guys, these guys were just like white supremacy, or they were actually, like, uh, anti, very Pro, like, active white supremacy, like, take back, take back our, our, our country, kind of, we’re going to do action, yeah, okay, cuz I, I was, okay, no, I was just thinking blacks, yeah, yeah, that’s what I was thinking, I was thinking more like that, than, so it’s going to get deeper, you ready? Yeah, yeah, okay, so the elim Elohim, Elohim city, was a associated with the Aryan Republican Army, they had that, which is a Neo-Nazi group that conducted a series of bank robberies to fund their anti-government activities.

So back in the early 90s, [bleep] was [bleep] wild, yeah, because, uh, there was also the, the Clinton Administration, and they were trying to get rid of assault rifles, and that sort of thing, so they started doing bills, and, and trying to, like, reduce the ability to get weapons, they’re still at it, but yeah, yeah, defin, also, miser, misunderstanding on what an assault rifle is, correct, yeah, yeah, absolutely, some theorists believe that members of this group may have helped fund or plan the bombing, there’s also speculation that McVey, while acting as the lone bomber, was financially supported by these groups. Man, I actually do believe this, because clearly McVey is not like the smartest cookie in the tin, I mean, I’m going to keep these receipts, I’m like, do all this [bleep], drive around, it’s a smart idea, to remove my life, they’ll never suspect me now, so I don’t think that he, it seems like there might have been like a, a driving force, like, using his, his passion, his passion to, like, push him over, like, come on, bro, I’ll help you out, now build this.

The only true evidence is there was a call record from McVey to this group about a week before, okay, there’s definitely not allowed to prove it, but I, I would, but there is something, I believe it, maybe he was trying to get help, or trying to get support, but maybe this didn’t initiation, yeah, like jumped into the game, initiation, oh [bleep]. So, uh, another major theory in this is that it’s a false flag operation, yeah, what does that mean? False flag means, it’s like, if the government’s actually doing it, but it’s under the guys of some, like, 911, 911 being 911, flag, another example of a false flag would be, um, if you’re trying to crack down on, uh, weapons, is, uh, have a shooting, have a shooting, okay, and so then it’s a reason to shut it down, right, essentially, or, that’s why I said, you want to, like, restrict rights, yeah, exactly, there’s a way to get people on board with doing it, yeah, but not a lot of evidence in regards to this, yeah, yeah, I don’t, I don’t know if I mean, obviously this was like, I was a kid at this time, so I don’t know what maybe legislation might have changed because of this, in, so I can’t, I can’t, I can’t really speak, I mean, the idea being that is that he was in contact with the government informants or undercover agents prior to the bombing, um, like the FBI or the ATF, but the problem is that, so here’s the theory, is that they were monitoring him, and so they knew.

About it, it was kind of like, let him do it, correct, so it was kind of like Lee Harvey Oswell, do you remember Lee Harvey, he, like, sent a letter, like, yeah, he’s like, stop, stop hunting my wife, and they’re like, this [bleep] loser, a similar scenario, right, not necessarily on the wife and all that sort of thing, but a similar, like, they were like aware of his existence, exactly, they were, they were monitoring, let it happen, yeah, exactly, okay, there you go, that’s that theory, I’m not mad about that. Another major one is the terrorist group involvement that was outside of the United States, so this is a internal terrorist bombing, yeah, yeah, right, the theory is, is that there was external influence upon this scenario, Middle East Connection, uh, I’m not buying that.

Surly, after the bombing, there was speculation that International terrorist groups, such as al- Qaeda, may have been involved, the theory gained traction because the bombing occurred 2 years after the 93 World Trade Center bombing, which was an, is islamist extremist Act. Right, some believe that McVey may have collaborated with them, andor have been inspired by them, particularly since the OKC bombing mirrored the use of a truck bomb, which was done at, at, I mean, if anything where he got it, was almost like cop, maybe inspiration, yeah, I think it just kind of like inspired him to do that, but I, cuz this guy doesn’t seem like he may be anti-g governor, but he’s not like anti- us anti, Fu, if this sus, it just, like, oh, [bleep] the govern, so I just don’t buy that, like, he with the Islamic extremist people.

Okay, another theory focuses on Terry Nichols, which was the accomplice, right, he was like the ring leader, he traveled, he traveled to the Philippines before the bombing, some believe that Nicholls may have received bomb making training or support from the foreign terrorist groups while he was in the Philippines, we all know what he was doing in the Philippines, let’s be honest. Nicholls made just call, made, here, the Nichols made multiple attempt, uh, trips to the Philippines in the years leading up to the bombing, during these trips he reportedly met with individuals connected to extremist groups, including, I love this part, including possibly maybe Ramsey ysf, one of the architects of the 93 World Trade Center boms, making his trips through the Philippines a training session, he was, he wasn’t, he wasn’t training his mind in the Philippines, brother, like, he was telling his wife he was going on business, he was [bleep], we know what he was doing.

And then finally, one of the biggest parts of this whole story is the absolute lack of video footage, that’s what I don’t [bleep], that’s, yeah, CCTV existed, I’m sorry, like, they should have some [bleep] footage. Yeah, one of the most persistent claims involves missing video footage from security cameras near the Murray building, several businesses had surveillance cameras that were reportedly pointed at the area where McVey parked the rider truck, yet we don’t have any video of the rider truck being parked there and exploding, we have video of the 911 planes going, the planes going into the buildings, but we don’t have video of the rider truck polling up, stop, and then him walking away, leaving it, and then exploding, and it’s, it’s just missing, like it just missing, or never was taken, or, yeah, maybe it just wasn’t recording, like, oh, that’s all for show, it’s like not hooked up, we just have camera just to deter.

I mean, this really brings me back, come here please, for some reason it really brings me back to EP scene, where it’s like, there’s so many cameras everywhere, literally everywhere, cameras in all of his things, and they’re all off, and they’re all asleep, and they’re none of it has been recorded, nobody has salvaged it, nothing, but that’s one of the biggest conspiracy, I mean, this is le, or the biggest holes, of, like, I do think that that is weird, that there isn’t, but there, all these other things, it’s like, you know, McVey is not denying it, it’s not like he’s saying he didn’t do it, which is all of, right, and I don’t, it’s true, he’s not like, hey, Fidelity, what’s it cost to invest with the Fidelity app?

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Um, so that’s why I’m like, okay, maybe the video F didn’t matter, and then all the, like, his fingerprints, and that, they, that he bought it, they got the receipts, I mean, I, I, I stand by, I stand by my theory, just the theory that, uh, I mean, my theory is that he, it’s, it’s kind of a mix, maybe a mix of what Eric was saying, like, they kind of knew about it, I think maybe they, I think maybe they knew, and they were on to him, because he was like so blatantly obvious, and, like, like, I’m sure there’s some sort of, like, alarm bells that go off when, like, some random dude who’s like not a farmer buys, like, you know, 300 pounds of ammonium nitrate.

I know, yeah, but he didn’t, he didn’t buy it all from one place, didn’t he, no, but they went around, you got to get fertilizer from one place, the fertilizer company, and then you got to get the, the fuel from another place, and no, no, they went to go buy different, like, fertilizer from different stores, they went, because you couldn’t get that much quantity, you’re like, hey, like, hey, I need, I need 400 lb of fertilizer, no, we, like, 200, yeah, like, we do sod, we’ll take whatever you got, we got like four bags here, sir. So I think that, I think maybe they knew, like, they were on, and they knew something was a foot, but they were like, sick, like, foot, [bleep], [bleep], shock, we can actually use this to our advantage, to, to push kind of narratives, to, to stop this, because, I mean, that’s what’s the one thing the government does, doesn’t need, the one thing the government’s afraid of, all the people being like rising up, [bleep] you, right, like, you work for us, so they need, they want you to be subservient, they do, that’s just what they want, they want you to think that they’re in power, and you can’t do anything about it, and I think this is a great way for them to, to, to create this narrative, like, oh man, people who aren’t, look at all, look at how crazy these people who are, who don’t trust the government, they’re all psychos, and they kill people, you don’t like them, and everyone’s like, [bleep] no, they killed kids, it’s a piece of [bleep], and then it’s just like it just becomes this thing where it’s like, you, you don’t want to be associated with it, so you don’t, you won’t voice your concerns, you won’t, like, you’re going to be calling your Congress all the time, you’re like, you know what, I think I’m just going to, like, chill.

I think it was a good way for them to be like, all right, [bleep] it, we’ll use, and I’m sorry, but the government’s [bleep] Sinister as [bleep], yeah, like, they don’t give a [bleep], oh, some people die, Oopsy Daisy, not our [bleep] fault, it’s all about maintaining power. I mean, you just look at everything, all these [bleep] Wars, look at Afghanistan, it’s like, are you serious, why, why were we there for 20 years, like, it makes no sense, like, they don’t give a [bleep] money, you know, [bleep] Locky Martin was like, stay in Afghanistan, like, do not leave Afghanistan, the government’s like, okay, meanwhile their stock is just like pumping, pumping, pumping, them General Dynamics, [bleep] all this Bo, they’re all like, oh yes, War, like, and, like, guess who they, guess who they’re funding, all the [bleep] super packs, were all the donations for the run, their campaign.

There was a, there was a podcast I was watching yesterday with um, [bleep], I don’t know her name, but this is a politician girl, I’m going to get it for you right, right now, hold on, and, um, she was going over, she was basically going over that whole thing of, like, how it’s all, like, just, uh, military industrial complex, to Tulsi, tulsy gab, yeah, yeah, uh, she was on, I forgot what the guy podcast is, but it was like, it was like a pretty big podcast, che it out, yeah, it was good, it was good, man, she just, like, taking it down, how they all are, both sides, oh yeah, both sides are, it’s all for, this is all, and, like, she gives you like the some good insights, she’s great, she was, uh, she was the governor of, of Alaska, or some [bleep], wasn’t she, she was some, some [bleep], I forget what she was, she was like an important, my homie, she was a big, she was Senator, Senator, yeah, that’s, she was something, she was something special, yeah, yeah, and she’s still, I think in the military, she was in the military, I think she, so, as we do, we’re, we’re two or three hours in, yeah, yeah, Oklahoma City, that was my, I gave you mine, I gave you my cents.

Okay, Jorge, go to town, I mean, uh, the whole story, the whole [bleep], yeah, like, the, the whole time, um, Sean kind of towards the end there, and, and. A little bit of what you were covering, started, uh, changing my mind, but I think I’m still going to just stick to the psycho of, I don’t, I don’t see, yeah, I don’t see the, um, and Terry, uh, Terry, Terry, right, Terry, and, uh, um, you know, whatever the other guy is, like, I, I don’t even think he was that much of a part of it, yeah, the coward, porier, porier, or whatever, yeah, you know, I just, uh, I just think that he just let his [bleep] emotions and his passion just, like, [bleep] get to his head, and, um, you know, and then they, whole, kill all the children, I don’t think that he was knew, I don’t think that he knew that, and also, man, like the interviews, when you see the guy talk, you, there’s nothing there, like, there’s not a [bleep] person there, you know what I mean, just, like, he seems like a [bleep] robot, just talking, like, zero emo, new conspiracy, he’s a robot, and that’s what they were talking about, like, zero remorse, um, during the trial, and I could, I could totally see that, you know, they’re just, the guy was not phased by it at all, you know, like by what he did or whatever, and, um, yeah, I mean, I just think that, uh, that I don’t think the government was in on it with him, although I do like that, uh, I do like Sean’s Theory, like, because it’s true, man, they, it’s all about, like, co creating this, like, fear, this, this, this, um, charades of, like, you know, it’s, it’s, oh, we’re on your side, you know, come over here, and, you know, you need us to, to protect you, it’s like, you work for usre the government, we got, got you, just keep working, I know, keep paying your taxes, keep working hard, doing great, we’re going to take, you know, this is the year we fix it, would driving crazy, I know, it’s like, we’re going to fix it, every four years we’re going, fix, no, you’re not, you’re full of [bleep].

I mean, if anything, I would say that from there, it, it stemmed even more so, the government, like, like, even getting scheming, or getting ideas, like, how to roll this out, like, with gun control and shootings, or, or the false flag, you know, that you were talking about, cuz that’s another episode we got to do, is all, like, way too many [bleep] shootings, way too many, there was just one this [bleep] week, dude, I think it was this week, right? Yeah, [bleep] crazy, dude, I don’t know, that one’s tough to do, last week, if you’re listening to this on Tuesday, [bleep] up, whatever week this, the more it goes, the, the more video there’s available, like, the more it’s going to be caught, like, I was watching Tik Tok, and there was some stud, you saw that, there was, like, some students just going through, kid, are literally just filming what’s happening, I would not be filming [bleep], no, I didn’t see, I didn’t see any of film, but I saw this girl just kind of, like, recounting everything, and she was just saying, like, when she got out, she was stuck, or hiding in the bathroom, when, and when she got out, it was like she was talking about, like, [bleep] blood on the walls, blood everywhere.

I’m like, oh my God, dam, I cannot, so I send my kids to [bleep] private school, yeah, thanks to STIs, no, I don’t get any of that money, yet, she’s not five, so that’s, than, hopefully, hopefully I can bank himou. Well, I’m thinking him, I know you are, I’m thinking him right now, Eric actually, P less Daddy D Santz, what do they call him, daddy, all right, so here’s, here’s mine, uh, I think he had help, okay, from some unknown entity there, now, super General, I, I just think that he had help, not that group, who was, I don’t know, it was, yeah, maybe, yeah, I think he had help, okay, yeah, and, and, and financial help, now, now, this, all the things planning, this might be, this is a conspiracy, I do believe it’s a conspiracy, strategical, like, tactical, but I don’t, I but I don’t know if it’s a government one, does that make sense, yeah, like, like, I feel like there’s somebody else, extremist group, yeah, I was, I was there, and I knew how to do it, and toate him, okay, so a little bit, like, like a little little bit of a conspiracy, and he was like, he was so fanatical that he wouldn’t, like, sell them out, because of the, for the cause, or whatever, although I, I have trouble getting behind a government conspiracy, because the amount of government people who died, yeah, the government doesn’t care about the, like, the amount of, the amount of ATF people who died, the amount of Social Security Administration people who died, the amount of, uh, children that died, the amount of, you know what I mean, the collateral damage was massive, government doesn’t care, yeah, I’m sorry, I know, it’s like, I know it’s hard, it’s hard to swallow, and it’s like, it’s a difficult pill to take, but, like, you know, possibly, yeah, like, where is our bleeding heart for the, you know, all the [bleep] the, the bodies and the corpses, and the [bleep] like under the, under the, the, the tank belts of all the [bleep] countries that we inhabit to give them democracy and change their way of life, you know, it’s just, they don’t, it’s, it’s, it’s a number, they’re not thinking of it like that, they’re thinking, and, and, look, I, I know it’s really shitty View, and, cuz, trust me, like, I think the vast majority, 99.9% of people aren’t that way, and, like, they couldn’t do it, because it’s like it’s too gross, yeah, they’re good people, and, like, they care about other people, but I think that the, the, the people who are running this country don’t give a [bleep], and they just, all that matters is maintaining control, and I know it’s really dark, and I talk about all the time, but that’s just my view, like, do I still love this country, hell yeah, I be like, would I rather be anywhere else, [bleep] no, right, I want to be here, I love it here, I love this place, I’m never leaving.

I just think that you don’t want it to get, think people as the people, we deserve a government that is, that is the, the how it should be, it’s for the people, the government is for the people, it’s a service facility for the people. So last question, and then we’ll wrap it up, so what do you think should happen, should we just wipe them all out and do a start, a start me, I don’t think we to kill them, I don’t mean like wipe them out, like a, like a murder them, I just mean, I just mean, like, what would be the solution, I think the solution is that, if there, if there’s enough people who are, like, no, like, we’re not going to do, like, we’re not going to, we’re not going to do it, like, if you could get, I mean, because you think it’s like, okay, how many people, how many government employees are there, this employees, not like probably 50,000, yeah, let’s, let’s say even more, there probably even more, let’s say, let’s say, let’s say there’s a million government employees, yeah, there’s probably, there might be, yeah, like, even it’s a million, those are, but those include clerical workers, include, like, all the lowle peons, and everything too, like, you know, there’s, there’s almost 400 million humans on the US, true, yeah, if you got 60, 70 million of them being like, no, like, what, what are they going to do, what you’re saying is, what are they going to, what, what you’re saying though is that, that, like, wipe it, wipe the slate clean, and get new people in there, or who, what’s the, I don’t know, the solution, I don’t have a solution, I mean, well, first of all, like, you get people that can’t be controlled, you know, that are not part of the U political system that they, G, lobbying, well, I think that’s, think it’s, you should get rid of lobbying, lobbying should be outlawed instantly, it’s legal bribery, it’s [bleep], yeah, like, how can you, how, how, no, like, it’s got to be, I don’t know, like I said, I don’t have the answers man, I’m not like a [bleep] philosopher, I don’t, like, know what’s right and what’s wrong, I just think that the current system is not working.

I mean, another thing could be, uh, you know, get, getting checks and balances in there, I mean, can we, can we get hor, and maybe, maybe the people that don’t think they should be doing it, should do it, that’s, that’s what I’m saying, does that make [bleep] sense, are you kidding, the, that got the, yes, like, maybe that’s what it is, all the people that are like, no, I don’t want to do this, maybe those are the ones that should do it, also a full head of hair service, full, you know what I mean, like, [bleep] you could vote for that, you vote for that, I know, I would be his fundraiser, hey everybody, MC.

All right, well, there you go, that’s Oklahoma City, uh, um, there you go, please let us know, I know, I know, uh, there’s more that you could dive into about Timothy mcvey’s, uh, life before the bombing, yeah, I totally understand that, I watched those, I watched the documentaries, I watched all of this stuff, I didn’t really want to get into the, uh, you know, the Aryan race scenario of, because we don’t know what his actual thoughts are on that, you know what I mean, and so, uh, but that those are our thoughts, and we, and we hope you guys share them, share your thoughts with us, and hopeful, and please don’t, like, send, like, anonymous tip line, Sean’s super anti-government, like, put me on, like, the FED watch list just because, like, of My Views, I mean, it might be fun, I don’t want to, might be another episode, yeah, don’t want to hurt people, I just think that we deserve better, that’s all, anyways, anyway, thanks for tuning in, guys, we’ll.

Catch you next time, have a good night, guys. Night. And night.