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I don’t really know much. I, I like, the ones I don’t really know [bleep], like figure out. So this is more of like a murder mystery. M, this is more of like one of the most famous campfire murder mystery legends that exist. Oh, so maybe it’s a, the legend makes it into our domain. Yeah. And so a special shout out, though, of course, to who put this together, our head researcher Capri. So much, your goddess. Um, she put, put together this, it’s going to be a two-part. Not to forget Ben also helped put this together, so, big man, my man, tag team, he, he helped as well.

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Is then, as long as it’s not absolute dog [bleep], we’ll do it. Yeah, for sure, that’s right. So what are you guys doing if you haven’t joined yet? Yeah, get in there. I’m just trying to, on the free patreon, I mean the, the free Discord. Yeah, be prepared to chat all day. Just chat, your entire life will be the disc. Excessively pretty good Community we got going on. Okay, so Lizzie bordon, now we’re going to take you back to the late 1800s. Oh [bleep], this is that old. This is old. Oh, I thought I was thinking like, no, spring break 23 spring break, she like, on the beach.

But, and I was trying to, I was trying to figure out what accent to do this in, but you’ve heard the, the, uh, it’s like a children’s tale, like, like a Scottish, like Liz B. So the late 1800s, so the late 1800s in like the Northeast, um, was, did, do like a Boston, like British? Well, no, it was, it was almost Victorian at that time. It was old, right. But I want to hear you do a b. So here it is, [bleep], AB. So Lizzie bordon Took an Axe and gave her mother 40 wax, and when she saw what she had done, she gave her father 41.

Damn, dude, she’s got to be [bleep] yoked. 40 swings in the axe, do you know how difficult that [bleep] is? So it’s a, it’s a very famous story, it’s one of the most famous stories. And, um, and the true fate of the real life Lizzie bordon, her parents were brutally murdered on August 4th 1892. Each of which, almost 30? It wasn’t. So it wasn’t, it was. Yeah, that was for the, for the, theegg, for the, for the old, the old school gr po. Um, but most people don’t know the next part of the rhyme, which is close your door and lock and latchet, because Here Comes Lizzy with her Hatchet.

So she was put on trial, and then she was acquitted, for the trial, or for the murders? Oh damn, they have the Judicial Systems, lawyers, or what. If the hatchet don’t fit, must look at her little ass hand. Look at, you think this little ass hand could carry this hat? He’s like, how many swings was that again, 38 swings? Lizie, come up here, give me, give me 38 good swings. This, so it’s, uh, it’s not been solved to this day. Well, it’s from the 1800, I mean that’s like the oldest Cold Case. Yeah, so we’re going to go into a little bit of what happened.

And, uh, this is a very famous story in the urban legends, so, so, so we’re going to get Hella [bleep] for, like, not having all the information. I can already feel it, going to be like, idiots [bleep], couple of onear reviews and couple of emails later. I know, damn it. So Lizzy, not Elizabeth but Andrew bordon, was born July 1860 to Sarah and Andrew bordon. She was the youngest daughter, and was preceded by Two Sisters, Emma, uh, bordon, and Elise bordon. Sadly, Elise pass away from fluid build, build up in her brain when she was two, [bleep]. So by the time Lizzie was just a baby, she’d never even really met her other sister.

So it was really just Lizzy and her sister Emma. And by the age of three, she had lost her mother to uterine congestion and spinal disease. Damn, this family is like, yeah, they like live like on top of like a uranium M. I know, what’s crazy is that you don’t hear those demises, uterine congestion and fluid build up in your brain, you don’t, you, you don’t hear those things normally. So it’s just kind of strange. This is probably, back, this is also in the back, the day of like bloodletting. Yeah, they’re like, yeah, just like cut them a little cut. I mean, to give you an idea, to give you an idea, she was born at the beginning of the Civil War.

Wow, okay, Jesus. So yeah, that’s when, like, you know, your pain medication was like a wooden spoon that you bite on. So Emma, about 10 years older than her, would act as the mother figure to her younger sister Lizzie following their mother’s death. When Lizzie was five, the Bor and father REM married Abby. So the dad remarried a girl named Abby, basically. Uh, she became the stepmother to Emma and Lizzy. Now, these are the characters of this murder mystery. Yes. So you have the dad, which is Andrew, okay. You have the sister, is Emma. Uh, and then you have Lizzy, who’s the main person. And then Abby is the stepmother, okay.

Yeah, so these are the main people. This is like, I feel like we’re going to solve clue here. Yeah. And it was, it was [bleep], it was Abby, in the, Abby in the front lawn, with, with the hatch. So there’s one other party that’s involved, which is their maid. Oh, they had a maid? Were they Rich? They were super rich. Oh, they were, they were hell Rich, [bleep]. So the family lived together, along with her name Maid, named Bridget Sullivan, in an estate in Fall River massachus. Waited at the estate, yeah. So Fall River is a city in Massachusetts, it’s about an hour and a half drive from, uh, from Boston.

The city, the city began to Boom after the Civil War, specifically cotton textile manufacturing. The, the city was then known as Spindle City, that’s kind of just what it boomed as. You Knowles, man, sweet. The population at the time maxed out around 75,000. Now, to give you an idea, today’s population is 93,000. Oh, so it’s still, so in 1890s, yeah, they’ve only gained 20,000, exactly, nothing. By the, by 1892 the city was very much still living in, uh, the vi torian era. So it was a very European, uh, you know, you know, the, the chokers and the, you know, that kind of, you know. Or also, like, women were at home, and women were not in the workforce, women did not have jobs, they stayed home.

I think that was a, a universal thing in the 1800s. Yeah, yeah, not just, not just this town. I’m just kind of trying to set the scene, set the scene, a little bit of, of, of what it was like there. Yeah, um, they were having like [bleep], like tea at High Noon and [bleep]. Yeah, The Bard in women, uh, did not hold any jobs of any kind, because the father had acquired a fortune through furniture and Manufacturing, property development, textiles, commercial property ownership, Etc. Dude, this guy was [bleep] in every, this is a mobile Hustler. To give you an idea, to give you an idea of the wealth, Andrew, his estate at the time of his death was F valued at 3 00 Grand, today it’s 10 million.

Dude, [bleep]. So he wase doing well, dude, being worth like 300 G’s back in the 1800s, I mean, he was probably like [bleep] Lord Byron. Yeah, he, the town, he was doing well. Now, he was, what was considered a, uh, Penny Pincher millionaire. I feel like a lot, I feel like, like even look atal, yeah yeah yeah, but even like, uh, what’s his face, he, um, he owns Standard Oil, Rockefeller? Yeah, JD Rockefeller was, like, supposedly notorious, he account for every cent that he spent, like correct. Dude, you have like bazilian, he’s like no, [bleep] it. Maybe that’s why I’m not rich, I’m like, what’s, what’s, I know, what’s going on, how many milles did you buy?

I mean, does it really matter, like, am I really counting? Do you really need Uber Eats again? Do you really, like, I got a coupon code. I know a Cod, it was like BOGO 15% off. I’ll take it, $30 for a burit. I know, it’s like it’s the deal. Y, despite the fortune that Andrew bordon had built, the family lived in a modest house called maplecraft. The house was about 3,000 square ft, so it was bigger, it’s a big house, like, it’s bigger than my house is like double my house, it’s a big house. But at the time they were like, the Mana Victorian kind of, normal different, three stories, [bleep], just ridiculous.

So while the, the size of the home was not small, it was not a symbol of wealth at the time, right. They lived in an industrial part of town, and their living situation was not comparable to the same, like, they weren’t in the, the nice part of town, you know what I mean, they weren’t in the rich. I think Andrew was a little Penny pinch, like, we’re living in the Hood, [bleep]. Other wealthy, wealthy families, including Bor and relatives, resided in a small community of town called the hill. And this is where the board and girls would constantly beg their father to move there too.

He could, and he could, he could own it, but he was like, you know, we don’t need to. We, uh, cuz is a need or a want? Yes, he was very much like that. And he didn’t, I know, you like those Richardson boys over there, what a going. And he just, he was a, uh, he grew up poor, so he was like, I’m never going to do that again. Oh yeah, so he’s not, he’s like, I’m not going to [bleep] it up, you know, some of my interests fail, then we’re trapped in this big ass house for clothes. So to give you some ideas, uh, in a 3,000 ft house, he refused used to get Plumbing.

This guy, okay, this guy wasn’t a, Frugal, this guy was. Now indoor plumbing was kind of new, so it wasn’t, it wasn’t like it is today, where, you know, but he, you know, he’s like, I have a perfectly good out housee, what’s the problem here? Yes, exactly. So, um, um, so for example, when Andrew converted their home, he stripped the existing Plumbing that the family would, uh, previously relied on, and changed it into a wellhouse and hand pumps in the kitchen and in the cellar. He took the plumbing out, he took the old, like, like rusted up plumbing out, and then he’s like, we don’t need brand spanking new, like, plumbing system.

He’s like, get that [bleep] out of, he’s like, we don’t need this luxury. He built a new house, and he’s like, no, no, no, let me take this out, put on Market, I don’t need septic, we’re good. So the women, though, of the family, sorry, put it on Marketplace, he, like, selling it, I’ve got two pounds of copper here, want Copper, man. So the women of the family were constantly nagging him, saying this, like, we’re living in squalor and we’re rich, but we’re not. Typical wife, so you would have to go, course she’s been wearing the same dress for like three years, but then they would have to go to like the Opera, and then they’d have to see all those rich people, that they were Rich too, and they would be like, yeah, it’s really, uh, we took a, you, we, the water in the back with the wellhouse, and then we have to bring it to the, you know what I mean, like, you’re probably seeing people that you’re richer than, like, you have more money than, and they’re like balling over you, and they roll up and like the, yeah, and like the, the hatchback like Honda Civic 19 1992, like everyone else in like Bentley’s.

But to lay out the strange element in their house, um, Emma and Lizzy never married, they never got a job, I me probably the job was not a thing, but they never married either. But the homies probably didn’t want to come over to, no Plumbing. Yeah, that’s true, and, you know, they’re not going to get like a doy, like clearly, [bleep]. So, good, good point. So they did receive an allowance, they received about $200 a year each, okay, uh, which was about seven Grand then. Okay, but but I think still Seven Grand then was probably still a lot. Yeah, yeah, I think it probably still like a lot.

Yeah, for an allowance, yeah, no, mean, 30 years old. No, I mean like just in general it was probably still a lot, they probably bought a house for like 7K. Yeah, no, no, he’s saying Seven Grand now, they, they got seven Grand now, they got $200 a year. Oh, so it’s the equivalent of seven Grand. Yeah, that’s right, but see, that’s why I also think that the, the calculation is a little bit different, because even though it is, it’s like you’re buying power, yeah, the buying power of Seven Grand, like, the equivalent then, I probably is, you know, cuz back then, even though it’s like, oh you do the, you do that factor, it’s probably still like, yeah, you can buy, you can buy, you can buy like an acre of land for like five bucks.

If, you, today’s inflation, it would be like 70 grand there. Yeah, yeah, they’re like, they’re like middle class. Well, so if you had no rent, no car, all their other, no nothing, no anything, uh, Seven Grand, horses are paid for, no. But look at it in terms of, look, that is the INF, $200 to 7 Grand, right? So if you had nothing, though, and you got s Grand, bills, it’s basically just spending, spending cash, spending cash. Yeah, petty cash, petty cash. So Andrew bordon, over the years, also began to allocate some of his properties to his wife and family members after receiving complaints. Uh, he gave them, their child, his childhood home, to satisfy them.

But wasn’t he poor? It was like a [bleep] chant, he’s not poor. He, he Hader, when he grew up, though. Oh, you said, you said when he grew up he was poor. So he’s like, I’ll give you the home, grew up, and it’s like a [bleep], it’s like one of, like the tin, the ID, we have the numers house, my second best bed, my Shakespeare. Uh, but so here are the numbers, we actually have the numbers. So so they, uh, he gave them the, the house, mhm, right, and then they sold it immediately, they were like, [bleep] this house, [bleep] this [bleep] house, Dad. They sold it for five grand, and guess who they sold it to, him.

They sold it back to, wow, what? There, like some weird tax write off, that he, like, I’m going take the loss, and then I’m going to get it back. So based on inflation, it was 170 grand for the house. I can’t believe they got, they got 80 grand each, give or take. He refuses to actually, cuz he probably, like, as a principal, he couldn’t give them that money. Yeah, he’s like, I can’t just give you five grand, instead I’m going to make you. And he’s like, this is a good deal, he’s like 5G, like, damn, you know how much I would have paid way more than that.

Now, strangely enough, this happened about a month before the murders. Okay, oh, they were probably pissed. I mean, this is, this is shaping up to, they’re like, [bleep], dad’s got to go, and then, you know, stepmom, she’s a [bleep] anyway, she’s got to go to. So apparently, despite the financial annoyances, and, you know, complaining, la la la, apparently, he and Lizzie had a good relationship, okay. Okay, now I watch multiple movies on this, and, uh, there’s a lot of research, and we’re going to post some of the research that Capri did, with the references, we actually have a lot of the books and a lot of the, lot of different things that we got this for.

Uh, each story is told differently, some PE, some movies, some documentaries, some things say they had a horrible relationship, and that he was essentially raping the maid. I mean, Sor, and I know, I was like, oh, thank God, like, you know, but it’s sucks for the, so, but all these things, so there’s, but half of these stories don’t bring that up, and half of these stories, you can’t corroborate that, does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, there’s also, like, there’s no Witnesses alive right now, right. But from what we can tell, in in the trial, they had a good relationship, or a, me, like a decent relationship, father, him and Lizzy.

Of course, in the trial, Lizzy’s like, me and my dad, we were best friends, like, of course i’ say. So in the trial, Lizzie was proud of their relationship, and even cited the story that she was G, she gave him a ring when he, she was 12, and that was the only piece of jewelry he was wearing when he was killed, cuz she, cuz she put it on his ass. I mean, that’s super, like, she had it, like, she like, you go, daddy. Okay, so now, Bridget, Bridget is the maid, okay, okay. So, and at that time, this is how [bleep] ruthless this is, at the time, I want to say, like, you sure, bridg is not on the come up, like, so [bleep] this rich guy.

So what they used to do is, because they didn’t want to remember the names of maids that were coming and going, wow, so all the maids were called Maggie. Oh, I thought they, everybody’s called Maggie? I thought they were to call like dog’s name, like, phto, Get over. Everybody’s called Maggie. So she was known as Maggie, but that wasn’t her name, what herd Bridget. Okay, is that [bleep] up. Of, uh, you ever seen that TV show, TV series, what the [bleep] is it called, it’s on Hulu, it’s about like these girls. Years, no, no, it, um, hold on, PA. It’s about this girl that, or this, um, the girls get taken for, uh, reproduction only, and like, so I never saw this.

I know, you’re, I never saw that, but, oh, it’s really good, yeah. So that kind of remind, so everybody, all those girls, all those girls, uh, would get the last name of the guy, you know, so like, they, they didn’t have their own name. Yeah, [bleep], it just kind of reminded me of Fred. And I got to be honest, I got to be honest, girls had it rough, dude, they did, ladies had it rough, ladies had it, super, shout out to the ladies, some [bleep] up [bleep] in all of our our episodes and stories, it’s always, and, like, girl getting killed off, and, and the ladies have it like rough now too, it’s like they do.

It’s no, it’s like not like from the same standard, it’s like different now, it’s like now it’s like good luck in sports, ladies, it’s like, you know, I might, yeah, yeah. Anyways, so Bridget was off, so Bridget refer, was referred to as Maggie by the bordens, and she lived in the Attic. Apparently she had a pleasant relationship with the bordon family, you know, a few minor spots here and there. Now, in a couple of the movies and a couple of the documentaries, she was raped by the dad. Yeah, I can’t tell if it was true or not. Well, I mean, it’s also [bleep] almost years.

Yeah, yeah, so, um, but it’s like we always say, couple of, couple of people saying the same thing, more than one, is it, is it coincidence? Now, I mean, he definitely wasn’t going to pay for hookers, we know that, he’s super cheap. There’s a, there’s a movie that came out with, um, Kristen St Stewart, you know, the girl from, uh, uh, yeah, the Vampire movie, yeah, the Vampire movie, and Chloe sa Savanah, and she’s fully raped like half the movie. She’s raped by the dad in the movie, oh, it’s about, it’s, it’s called Li, it’s, it’s about it, and half the movie is her just being raped, that’s like hwood, they’re trying to like feathers.

Yeah, yeah, additionally, another agenda, whole another episode. Additionally, additionally, in that movie, and it’s not really confirmed, but additionally, in that movie, there was a, a lesbian Affair between Lizzy and the maid. Oh, so maybe. So it’s like more Alibi, more, more, more ammunition for Li. You rap my girlfriend, that sounds like, I know it. I, I mean, if you do watch it, don’t, with kids. Yeah, just as an FYI. I mean, who would know? I mean, who wants to watch the Lizzy bordon ax Murder movie with their kids? Anyways, good point, a solid point, just the premise of the movie alone. I stand corrected, you’re like, hey, come here, boys.

Uh, so this one, this one’s about a family, lovely family. So while they’re affluent, today’s history lesson. I know, it’s like, don’t blink, open your eyes. Yeah, we got a [bleep] up household over mine. So, uh, even though the other people say there were, was a cordial relationship, like, between everybody, the one that continually comes up as a problem is with Lizzy and the stepmother, okay. Classic, the classic, the classic battle. Yeah, and and apparently it was so, uh, tense, that they didn’t even call her mom, they didn’t call her by her name, they just said Mrs bordon. Oh wow. Oh, that’s even, oh man, that would, that would have [bleep] piss me off.

Yeah, so, I mean, you know, your mom dies, and then another woman comes, and, you know, she’s in line, I, I don’t want to bring it back to money, but she’s in that line now to get all inherit that, and you’re all, you’re being, uh, pressed down on the finances constantly. Yeah, so, like, even at, like, even there’s no payoff at the end of the rainbow. Yeah, even so, I’m like, well, I guess I’m, I’m thinking, like, get a [bleep] job, you lazy [bleep], I’m like, my bad. Now, to to be fair, though, Bridget found a job. Oh, that’s what meaning? No, she was the maid.

Oh, good point. So you can do it, you mean Maggie? Maggie Bridget, Maggie, I was like, who’s Bridget? Oh, my, M name is Maggie, I know, zero people by the name of Bridget. No, but but you know, she found a job. No, but to them, like, this is not my, this is not my belief, but to them, she’s like born. I see, yeah, she’s, she’s a servant, like, why would they reduce themselves to Serv, the rich is. So while, while the tension in the house seemed high, it’s not abnormal that your kids are mad at, you know, about the money and the stepmama, and, you know, it seems like a basic, these are classic family problems, yeah.

Now, some rumors stated that he didn’t believe in electricity either. This [bleep] guy is like, so if you could imagine, he don’t believe in food either. But no, like, no, I mean, if you, if you could imagine in the Summers of being in Massachusetts, and you’re in a 3,000 foot house, and you have no Plumbing, so you have to get water outside, you got to walk outside in your corset, take a [bleep], and obviously you have no air conditioning, obviously, right, what, and no heat, like, what’s, furnace? Least have a furnace, good question. I don’t believe in excess heat in the house. But in addition, that rumor of, like, their house was always dark, that’s the rumor, right, their house was always dark.

So it was cand, no, it was just candles, and it, so there was no electricity. So you can imagine the living environment is a little, I mean, that’s, yeah, that’s the worst, like, you got money but you got to live like you don’t have money. It sounded like this gu, it sound like this guy’s got to go, like, he’s go, this guy’s got to go, yeah, it is worse, it right, cuz at least we’re [bleep] spend [bleep]. Yeah, like we’re impoverished, yeah. So we’re not sure where it all kind of came from, uh, Abby, which is the Stepmom, she got a bigger inheritance, or a bigger allowance and inheritance, okay.

So but you got to keep in mind, by this time, the girls are 30 years old, but isn’t, well, I mean, inheritance, didn’t she get, she, she’s going to get all of it? No, but she get, oh, she will, she would have, she would get all of it, but she got killed, though. Yes, okay, that’s why I was like, say, like, wait, what. But she also had a bigger inheritance, and you got to keep in mind, the girls are now 30 plus, okay. This is not a, this is not a girls, these are women, and you’re still, like, you’re, you’re living at home, you’re like, yes, exactly.

Yeah, so what we do know is that Lizzy was seemingly unhappy in their living situation, she begged her father for a larger home on the hill, a larger allowance, and was often seen in town with sticky fingers. Now, oh, stealing [bleep], she created a reputation, Sticky Fingers, Sticky Fingers, stealing stuff, oh, okay, fing. So she created a reputation where she would go into town, and then things would go missing, and then literally the, the shop owners would just Bill the dad, like, [bleep] Lizzy, there, bill whatever the [bleep] his name is. That’s right, Anthony Edward, what his name, Antonio, Andrew. And so Lizzie was also a little unhappy about some of her pet pigeons that she was keeping in her Barn, okay.

One day, a couple months, about three months before the murders, she found them all dead, uh, and this was killed with a hatchet. Oh man, oh wow, this is just set. And it turned out, that it turned out, that it was her dad who hatcheted all the pigeons, because he said, because he didn’t want kids hunting the pigeons in his property. So he’s like, so instead, so he kills them instead of sets them free. Good question, I me, infuriated Li obviously. Of, are they in like little tight cages, cuz, like, yeah, no, they’re like doves, and like little, you know, I was expec bir cage.

I’m like, it would, hours, actually there was a, a great Reddit article I read about how pigeons have gotten a bad rat for being like the Rats of the sky from, like, the media. You ever heard, you know, what’s the difference, see a baby pigeon, you ever heard about that, it’s so true. Yeah, probably because they’re like, all, never see a baby pigeon, cuz there ain’t flying around. Well, no, here’s, here’s the idea is, is that, um, what’s the difference between a pigeon and a dove? Nothing. Oh, the color? Nothing, PR, they’re the same, really, but the French eat pig, they’re not getting that bad, that was the, that was the whole, was white, but yeah, but they’re all white and black and like mixed, but but the whole Reddit article was great, because goes deeper, yeah, because it was about, white is right, it was about the media, all these Brown pigeons, these black pigeons out here, like, how, never see no Brown Pig.

Sure, I’m sure, I’m going to, they got, they genocide, they all got [bleep] K off. Why did this turn into racial pigeons, all these Asian pigeons over here, brother. I’ve never seen an Asian pigeon. I know, it’s been a long time, brother, they got, they got the Nicks. So anyways, so she was, uh, go crazy, she was Furious, and it led to her and Emma, her sister, taking a twoe trip away from home. But give us some money, trip de. But the theories are, the theories are, this haunted her forever, because later on in life, she, when she died, she left all her money to the Humane Society.

Oh wow, okay, so I don’t know, take that as you will. Are they really Tak care of pigeons? Not a one time have I seen give a [bleep] about a pigeon. So there’s, there’s other theories that perhaps that are father disapprove, disapproved, of her love affairs, um, but we don’t, we don’t know who they were with. Damn it, good, you know, so it’s hard. Yeah, yeah, it’s hard. Um, there’s no proof of this, some historians believe that Lizzy may have had a child of incest and inappropriate relationships with her father, with Andrew. So we don’t know, but again, it’s not confirmed. Another, another piece oftion, well, is it confirmed that she had a child?

We just don’t know, if it was, no, okay, there, none of that. But is it confirmed that she, you got, understand. So what happened is, is these murders happened, and then it became the hottest topic of the decade, like, it became newspaper articles, you know, the poem happened, the, you know, the rhymes, the, you know, stay away, you know, the hatchet, the murders, was like the 1800s o trial, oh, absolutely, yes, waiting next to the new stand, like, well, give me those [bleep] papers out, can’t wait to see what’s going on with this [bleep]. Another weird part of this story is that, one year before the murders, the Bardon home was broken into, $50 was stolen from aby’s wallet, some jewelry went missing, no signs of forc Entry, happened in broad daylight, they were all, all home, nobody saw anything, they were all home, what the [bleep].

So the D, so the cops came, they started investigating, and then Andrews just said, don’t worry about it, because he thinks it’s Lizzy, sticky fing. That’s what I thought, she was like, fingers, fingers, I don’t know what happened, my entire $200 allowance was missing. I, another 200, yeah, like, come on dad, replace it. But from what we can tell, Lizzie just lived a normal life, she went to church, Sunday school, she was a Secretary of Treasury for the Christian Endeavor Society, you know, she was just a normal, just seemed like a normal girl. I mean, this is all taken from the trial, yeah, her lawyers were like, yeah, yeah, she was an upstanding citizen.

So everyone, they know, like, you watch Forensic Files, are like, she was loved by everyone. And know, didn’t I bring that up in one, smoking crack, like on like [bleep]. I’m pretty sure, like, I, you did, you did, cuz I, like, like, were they all that great? I mean, I’m not saying they deserve to die, but, no, I agree with you, I would like a more true story, they’re like, I [bleep] hated him, he sucked. Okay, so August 4th 1892, this is the day, yeah. Uh, Fall River was in the middle of a summer record heat wve. Okay, no AC, no electricity, no Plumbing, nothing, getting all hot and bothered.

Oh yeah, I go in [bleep] road rage when I get in my truck here, and the AC in, God, I had that to day. So the bordons had a guest, and the guest was John Morris, and he was the uncle to Lizzy, so he was Andrew’s brother. Yeah, yeah, or the mom’s, it could have been, it was, yeah, it was Andrew’s brother. And so he stayed over the night before, and he left early in the morning, he was there on a business meeting to meet with Andrew and something. You know, well, some people say he was trying to, like, he was worried about his estate, and he wanted to make sure it went to him before the family.

What [bleep], these are all Weird Mysteries and weird. You know why was he there? Known me a lot longer than those girls, besides being his brother. Good point, I’m going to go with that one. He just, his brother, visiting, [bleep], poor guy, he like, just, hey man, I just wanted to come in for August weekend. And I was like, we had a business meeting with his brother, that’s why. It’s like the business is like, hear me out, you’re not going to want to miss out on this one, I just need $200 up front. So, but it was confirmed, I want youest, it’s called, it’s called instant Graham, trust me, trust me on this one, I love it, I love it, you’re going to love this [bleep].

Okay, so he, it is confirmed that he left in the morning, okay, full sketch. Y, did they have [bleep] cars back then? No, no, okay, that’s 1890s, like, yeah, no, horse and buggy. Galloped off, horse and buggy. Ford came out in like 1920, I think, yeah, somewhere around there, yeah. Uh, so Bridget, Maggie, Maggie, Maggie prepared a breakfast, forly known as Maggie, prepared a, a breakfast, uh, it was mutton broth, Johnny cakes, coffee, and cookies. Dude, mutton broth sounds fire. Now, in the trial, what’s mutton broth? Mutton is like, is like sheep. Yeah, mutton, or mud, and mut, mutton, mutton might as well be mud, and though, you know, whatever happen to some nice classic tacos, like breakfast tacos, this is New England, have some mutton and a side of bacon with that.

I don’t think they had breakfast, breakfast tacos, like, this was like all the rage, [bleep] Santa Fe [bleep] like Boston. Now, fa, Fair, now, in the trial, New Mexicans living in Boston, I know, like, trust me, they have not migrated that far north yet. So now, keep in mind, in the trial, she said that she threw up 15 minutes after eating one of the cookies. Are we trying to say poison? No, this just data, that’s just the information, okay, okay, she’s pregnant, okay. So Mr Morris left after the first meal, and the day began for the bordon. So he left breakfast, he had breakfast, though.

But keep in mind, they have breakfast at like 6. Yeah, I know, it’s like, Dawn, hurry up before the sun comes up, before it gets hot, [bleep], true, but then they got no lights, so, no, so they got to eat in the dark. It’s so confusing, it’s like, what time is it, dinner in Alaska, breakfast in Alaska, who at breakfast? Reports Andrew left around 9:00 a.m., okay, okay, while Abby dusted and went upstairs to make the bed in the guest room, Bridget went to clean the exterior windows of the house. So Abby is the Stepmom, okay, she went to dust and make the bed of the guest room, that they got Abby doing, the, they have like an Estates guy, like, Abby doing like the outdoor, Abby was doing upstairs, Maggie was doing, Maggie was doing, that’s what I mean, like, like an Estates guy, she’s get on the roof, get a rope and wash the windows, she’s G to pully your, and later, and later tonight, just replace a roof, you know, that fence on the, on the east side of the property is looking a little shitty, PS, the only thing I do to wash the windows is [bleep] hose, just, I don’t like, get out there, r wait, you wash window?

I know, right, like, what are you talking about, I have no idea what you mean. Bridget went to clean the exterior windows of the house, telling Lizzy that she needn’t lock the door, but you can lock it if you want to, since she had to use the hand pump that was in the barn for the fresh water. That’s a weird, why would you even say that, you don’t have to lock the door, but you can, why you even talking? That’s from the maid, yeah, okay, just call her Maggie, by the way, I, Maggie. During this time, it’s unclear what Lizzy was doing, she said that she was in the dining room ironing handkerchiefs, or she may have been in the kitchen reading a magazine, or maybe she was reading a j, or in a journal, or maybe she was upstairs in her room with laundry basting tape on clothes, she didn’t know.

I mean, first of all, I mean, how [bleep] bored must you have, get back and like, before you can like, this like mindlessly scroll, I think I’ll iron some handkerchiefs. I know, now, apparently, though, this is per testimony in the trial. Now, apparently, though, during trial, she was, uh, like in a cage, or she was locked up? Right, yeah, yeah, because she was on trial for murder, and apparently she was on, like, they were giving her sedatives. Why? She was crazy, and like, or, like, she was, uh, distraught, anxious, anxious, anxiety medicine, that’s actually probably it’s, probably part of her defense, they’re like, we’re going to dope you, so crazy.

I know, they’re like, look at her, she [bleep] can’t even talk. But now, so that sometimes maybe justifies her being kind of like, uh, lack of me, St, she gave five potential options for what she was doing that. Yeah, but if you’re like on some [bleep], you know. But I mean, how, have you ever, you’re not going to remember. Have you ever been that [bleep] up though, where you thought you could have been doing five different things? No, but I’ve never been behind a cage on trial. So yeah, it’s a really great Point. Yeah, I mean, I want to just say, cell, I don’t think it was a cage.

I know, Eric makes her sound like she’s like the [bleep] zoo. Yeah, you kind of made it, you made it sound like in the courtroom. Yeah, I know, she was in, yeah, this, the 1800, crazy, a noose around her neck, just in Cas. Okay, so if you get found, it’s instant, instant death. So here’s what we know, uh, somewhere between 9:00 a.m. and 10:30 a.m., Abby, the Stepmom, was brutally murdered with the hatchet, totaling 18 strikes. Wa, wa, wait, say the time again, 9:30? 9:30, 9 to 10:30. So the uncle left at 9:, yeah, and all we know is, somewhere between 9 and 10:30, 18 wax.

Wait, where was, where was, where’s the sister at this time? The sister left, she went into town, okay. She’s got Alibi, well, she does have an alibi, okay, like she, she seen, was she, yeah, yeah, she was, yeah, she’s stole one of the, that’s why she was not charged actually, oh, because she, she left and she went into town. God, good, at least, at least somebody [bleep] got out of there. So really we’re just talking about Lizzy, yep, and possibly, the possibly, possibly the uncle, and, uh, the maid. Oh, the maid too, I forgot about the maid, she was like, you make me wash these [bleep] Windows one more time.

And where’s the dad, he’s about to get killed. Yeah, but where, Dad wasn’t there, he went to do an errand. Well, hey, hang tight, we’re going to keep going. Yeah, we’re going to keep, I know, I thought I was about to ask, B, [bleep] is, based on the location of the wounds, experts believe that she was tending to the base of the bed, so, you know, when you’re putting the sheet down in the corner, you’re bending over, la la la, she was on her knees. Why? I got to make that [bleep] so hard, [bleep], complicated, put that [bleep] on. So she was on her knees when her attacker approached, she turned to face them, was killed with the first hit, then she was hit 17 times after she died.

That’s like a crap of passion, that’s, that’s rage, passionate Rage with the hatchet. I mean, you got to be smothered in blood, like, when they found Lizzy, was this, [bleep] literally drenched from head to toe in blood. Good, to that, hold on a second, maybe she, like, she went like the water pump, and like [bleep] wash herself, a shower outside, know, right. So let’s not forget, so at 9:00, after breakfast, Andrew left too. Andrew left to do like an appointment outside of the house, the dad, yeah, the dad, yeah. By 10:45, Andrew bordon returned home, the door was locked. He’s like, what the [bleep], we don’t lock door.

He’s like, I have a lock, I have a lock on this door, locked him out of my own home, who the [bleep] locked me out of my house. At this point, Bridget was cleaning the interior windows near the front door, and hurried to unlatch it, she unlocked the first locked, she unlocked the first lock, but the second lock had been latched as well. So, you know, you have the turn, and then you, she like went back to business, he’s like, more. So Maggie struggled with the deadbolt and cursed out, and in like, uh, frustration, and she said that, at that moment, she heard Lizzie laughing upstairs.

Lizzy, though, says she had been downstairs, and that she greeted her father and watched as he took off his coat and shoes, as they were downstairs in the sitting room where he was going to take a nap. So conflic, that rage, no, conflicting reports. Yeah, I mean, like, trust me, when I like get like a little ragy, it’s, you’re not going to take a nap, no, I need like a 30 minute, like, multiple cigarette break, to like, to cool down, down, and then I can go take a nap. He, so Lizzy, though, says that she was downstairs, she greeted her father and watched as he took his coat off and shoes, and then he was going to take a nap.

He asked then where Abby was, the stepmom, and she told him that a messenger stopped by with a letter from her friend in town who was sick, so that she left, right, okay, a story that would never be proven. Now, this friend came for, from The Trial, so in the trial, the, the friend never came forward, the messenger was never, she was [bleep] dead, she’s in the house dead. She said, though, no, here’s what she said. Lizzie said that she thought she went out, but she hadn’t given any other details about it, like, yeah, I, she just didn’t know, she just, you know. I mean, clearly, her lawyers are like, I don’t know how she afforded these lawyers on her meager, on her meager $200 a year [bleep] allowance, but my God, these, the, they were killing the game.

But, uh, Maggie, or Bridget, was unable to corroborate that part of the story, as she said she didn’t see anyone enter or leave the home, despite working outside majority of the day on the windows, and, you know, that sort of thing. He Shrugged it off, and he laid down on the couch, and it would be the last thing that he did, [bleep]. Coroners estimated that he was murdered between 10:30 and 1110. Yeah, okay, his face had been completely collapsed in, as the haacker delivered 10 blows to his head. The first blow was likely to be the one that killed him, his eye had also been cleanly sliced in half by the hatchet.

Oh my, why did they, you got even, tell us that, like, unnecessary. Meaning the corner suggests that he was most likely asleep when he was first attacked, and couldn’t defend himself. Oh, because otherwise it wouldn’t be clean. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, bobbing and weaving. Bridget had been in her room in the Attic of the house, after she became ill from what she said was spoiled food and heat exhaustion. Yeah, from like, I mean, well, I mean, she was outside [bleep] cleaning those windows, bro, and like a dress. Maggie said that she didn’t hear anything suspicious during this time. Lizzie said that she was on the second floor of the barn, okay, looking for fishing lure supplies for a trip that nobody knew about, for fish, she going a bass fishing trip.

She also said, that she also said, she ate three pears, okay. Wow, dude, how, what kind of sedatives was she onir, what the [bleep], it’s just, it’s so nonsecular. I know, she like, and uh, I like tootsie rolls. Around 11:10 or 11:15, Bridget was startled from her rest, she said she wasn’t sleeping, she just laid down, like, just imagine, you have a stomach ache, you lay down fully clothed, you’re like, I’m going to do a little, yeah, I’m going to do a little 15minute little snooze, you know. Um, she was still fully dressed, she heard Lizzie calling out from downstairs, saying somebody murdered father. Bridget, or Maggie, ran down the back stairs from her room and found Lizzie with her back to the screen door, where she asked her to get a Doctor.

Bridget immediately ran to find the local doctor, which was named Dr Bowen, to come to Andrew, but he wasn’t home. Bridget returned back to the house, and Lizzie explained that she was in the backyard when she heard a groan, and saw that the screen door was completely wide open. Following the grown was a screen door, what was that, what was the gran, the screen door? What Lizzie was saying, she was outside, and she heard the groan of her dad getting killed, and then she said, she said the screen door is open. Oh, because, yeah, she was eating pears in the [bleep] Barn, yeah. Following her Discovery, Neighbors in the doctor wandered in and out of the house, and maybe she did, or she didn’t, she wasn’t sure.

Again, Lizzie said that she thought somebody should look for Mrs bordon at that time. So, keep in mind, there’s people running in and out of the house, because the dad was dead downstairs, stair, so just imagine a doz, dozen people going in, and then all of a sudden Lizzie goes, where’s Mrs bordon, upair, dead, almost like she wants people to find her. Oh no, she’s like, yeah, right, to like, yeah. So Maggie and a neighbor, who was happen to be in the house now, because all the commotion that was going on in the house, they climbed the stairs, and they, and searching for, the, into the bedroom, and they noticed the lifeless body as they approached the top step.

Now, this is a really important part of the case, they noticed it at the top step of the stairs, okay, meaning they didn’t go all the way into the room, and they saw a dead body. Oh, okay, well, I mean, it kind of, so what they’re saying, though, is that, how do you, like, cuz the, Maggie was in the Attic. Oh, so Maggie comes, Maggie should have seen something, she should have been like, what, or maybe, no, well, depending on where the attic is, like, CU, here’s the stairs, right, it’s not like the attic, like, now the attic exit is like right there, it could have been over there, and she’s like, running down the stair, we have to see the angle.

Andrew’s dead, Andrew’s dead, and she’s like, I still think that, like, I don’t know, what, what crack [bleep] police team, they on this [bleep] [bleep], but, like, when, there, like, bloody footsteps, or like, were there blood, where’s the blood? Okay, so police ared, so much blood, so police arrived, but were seriously hindered in their investigation, based on the lack of preparation. They’ve never had a crime like this, just, like, they had no scene control, like it was just dozens of people going in and out of this house, up and down the stairs, out in the back in the barn, and the pears and the hatchets and thises, and that, literally.

Martha MOX, they were like, wait, what, someone got, someone’s, but they’re alive. Yeah, usually not, usually I do, like, cats in the trees and like things. However, they did find some evidence, they found two axes and a hatchet, and those were found in the basement. Wait, so wait, whoa, but only the hatchet was used, with blood, or they just found him. Here, we, out, okay, the hatchet had the handle broken. Oh, from the, from the seven, so it was just the top, so it was just the top, you know, the whatever, right. Um, it had blood and hair on it, okay, that was the face, head shot.

Later on, though, using their Advanced Techniques of forensics, they determined it was cow hair, or some sort of animal hair. Oh my God, some suspect it was pigeon hair. Oh, that’s what, fethers, and you know, he ain’t breaking that, [bleep], and feathers two different things, yeah, that’s really good point, they’re so different, different texture, it’s like, oh okay. Unfortun, Sol, so unfortunately, though, the evidence stopped there, no blood Trails, no bloody foot Footprints, no blood on anybody, oh [bleep]. I just, the lack of blood, the lack of blood is actually the most concerning part of the case, you’re hit 18 to 20 times each in the head, there’s blood everywhere, the splatter would be over the [bleep], be everywhere, and whoever did that would have blood on their something, their hair, their fingernails, blood, dude, in your, yeah, in your hair, your eyelids, and [bleep] everywhere.

So another part that was, uh, this is the controversy, so we established earlier, though, that the older sister Emma was out of town, and she had a clear Alibi, so she’s clear on that, as far as being the one to to ax. Yeah, yeah, Lizzy story continually changed in the trial, uh, she was either drugged up, or she was just crazy, or she was just real good. Strangely enough, I don’t know, strangely enough, the police didn’t examine Lizzy for blood on her dress or on her person. Now, some say it’s for murder, you, some say, because, like, the women were kind of, like, how could a woman do this, and you, it’s inappropriate to inspect a woman, and also, like you said, it’s not like it was not a very common murder, or common, uh, scene, so, like, they didn’t even know what to do.

Yes, there, Al, also, like, you can, you can tell the cow, like, woman couldn’t. Immediately thereafter, immediately thereafter, Lizzie said she wasn’t feeling well, and she went to her room, and she was never bothered Again by the police, she went to her room, meanwhile there’s like two [bleep] corpses. Oh my God, I’ll be in my room, whenever you guys are. Now, we’re going to save it for next episode. But trial, I have already formulated my, like, I’ve, I think I’ve solved it internally. No, no, you got to wait for, say trial. So, uh, there’s A whole trial that happens, and it’s like the, it’s the, the news story of the time, you know, it’s it’s the OJ of, of the time.

And this going to be so hot, like, like you imagine going to get your [bleep] bers in mash, and you’re like, oh, can you, you see what’s going on. What was a crazy thing was that you didn’t think, uh, I don’t want to say this sounds demeaning, but like a petite woman, a proper woman, would [bleep] axe them 20 times each. I mean, like, I, that’s, that’s a, you, it’s not easy, I don’t know if you ever cut wood, but, like, oh yeah, swinging 20 times in con, you’re like, yeah, you got to take a, you have a, you to have a Miller, you got to sit down and like have a break.

ER, actually, went to my parents Farm, we [bleep] wood, I know, cutting wood in sandals. I know, I know, we had multiple beer bricks, I was sore for like 6 weeks. Your dad’s all ripped, I know, he’s like not tired at all, I’m like, and I’m like swollen and like, you know, allergic to everything, you also wearing like jeans, you were wearing this exact, but you know, you’re wearing your uniform. So here’s the problem with the cas is, it’s, uh, it’s all, there’s a lot of circumstantial evidence, there’s not, um, there’s not the murder weapon, really, I mean, kind of, because the cops did such a spectacular job, we could, we could assume it’s a murder weapon, but they said it was inconclusive.

Yeah, exactly, I also don’t know why, they said we found two other axes, so could have been the weapon. Oh, that’s, clean them up, clean them, I don’t know, but I know wood is very porous, and it’s like, back to the wood, back to the blood, you put some blood in the wood, bro, that [bleep] ain’t coming out, you’re not going to, that’s why you stainwood, because it’s so poor, so just like it just becomes one with it, so you, yeah, I guess. So we’re going to take up that in the next episode, the trial, and then the conclusions. I mean, who was it, you know, it was, was it, was it the Stepmom, now, now, here’s, no, I know, but there could have been, there’s two hours between them, she was sitting upstairs for two hours.

But the Stepmom got killed before the dad, so how could she kill, well, she, sorry, I mean, I meant more like, was it, was it for the stepmom, and then the dad was like a side thing, you know, I just, the two hours is confusing. How psychotic do you have to be? It’s not that confusing, cuz he wasn’t there, that’s, yeah, he wasn’t there, true, yeah, true, maybe it was like instant thing, like, you do it and you’re like, oh [bleep], like, now I don’t know how to get out of it, yeah, I’ve got to kill him, no one will believe, Dad, yeah, it could go either, he’s been scamming her out of cash, for the, could go either way, like, you’re saying, like, oh, now I got to do it, but also it could have been like just [bleep] pure rage, is like, I [bleep] hate both of you, something SN, like she said something like predetermined.

Also, it would give you, we’re going talk about that next episode, would it give you time to clean up? No way, uh, clean up yourself, cuz that’s all that was. So say, say, Lizzie killed the mom, or the stepmom, and then two hours go by, she greets him at the door, that’s supposedly, supposedly true, but according to the Bridget, Bridget Maggie, yeah, supposedly, she was upstairs, he was just maybe he was just asleep, and then she just came down, and she was covered in blood. Oh, oh, and he wakes up, well, cuz she, or somebody, killed the mom, yeah, 20 wax, yeah, la la la, blood everywhere, everywhere, that’s, there would be footsteps of, like, then the dad comes home, and Maggie opens the door, and apparently Lizzie says she greeted him, that means she cleaned up, okay, to him, after he was in there, in the house, sitting down in the living, to clean up, to clean up, then kill him, and then clean up again, C, again, hours, two hours.

But yeah, I mean, [bleep], I take a shower in one minute. Yeah, but they didn’t have, they had a [bleep] get the water out, theum, like water pressure, it’s like we’re like [bleep] sitting like Jets and [bleep], like she’s like, like gravity, come on, crazy. Yeah, also it’s not that, not that easy to take blood off, so if you had a bunch of blood in your hair, have you ever done it? Yeah, like, reallya, I spent six years in wo, back in my cartel days, like, what, you think I moved to Florida, that’s the only way to escape. All right, well, uh, we’ll catch you guys next time, uh, the next time is the trial, and, uh, hope you guys tune in, and, uh, we’ll see what happens with, uh, Lizzie bordon, yeah.

And let us know what your thoughts are, you know, obviously, cuz there’s a, this is a week in advance of the next episode, the conclusion, so let us know what you think. Um, I, I want, I’m like itching to say my thought, but I don’t want to, I’ll wait for the next one. Well, we’re going to do a poll on Instagram, on, uh, oh, we’re definitely doing a PO before, we’ll do a poll, like, before episode two, who do you think, like, who do you think, and then we’ll do like now, who do you think now. But last thing, last thing, Maggie, AKA Bridget, yes.

So I kind of understand if she was being assaulted by the guy, if that was true, I could see it, that it could be her, do you know what I mean, she has access, I mean, I could, there’s no evidence that says that, though, is the problem, but there’s no evidence that says Lizzy did it. I mean, there’s, it’s just, there’s also, these are the two, I mean, we’re, we’re expecting, like, you know, this 20th century technology, this is like in an 18th century world, that’s true, they like, what do we do, yeah, that’s true. All right, so yeah, I need to hear more of the trial.

Yeah, I need to hear the trial too, I mean, it’s already sounds sketch, yeah, but I have a, once you hear my theory, I think you both will be very pleasing. Okay, I love it, all right, we’ll catch you guys next time on the Conspiracy Podcast, for watching guys, night night.