Cloning Technology: Immoral or Innovation? – Episode #72

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Cloning Technology: Immoral or Innovation? - Episode #72
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// THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE — WE JUST CAN’T AGREE ON IT
CASE OPEN

CASE FILE No. 72  //  CLONING: IMMORAL OR INNOVATION

Cloning Technology: Immoral or Innovation?

filed: may 7, 2024  //  runtime: 76:19  //  hosts: jorge, sean, eric
// THE SHORT VERSION

Jorge, Sean, and Eric trace the history of cloning technology, from selective plant breeding thousands of years ago to Dolly the sheep, the first mammal cloned from an adult cell. Dolly was created in 1996 at Scotland’s Roslin Institute using a process called somatic cell nuclear transfer, and the guys walk through the string of earlier breakthroughs, from a cloned sea urchin embryo in 1885 to the first cloned salamander, frog, and rabbit.

From there the conversation moves into modern research, including a September 2023 experiment at Israel’s Weizmann Institute that reportedly produced a developing human embryo using only adult skin cells, plus the booming pet-cloning industry and Colossal Biosciences’ stated goal of bringing back the woolly mammoth. The hosts weigh the ethics of “playing God” against the therapeutic promise of cloned organs and tissue.

They close out with a rundown of celebrity clone and body-double theories involving Paul McCartney, Britney Spears, Avril Lavigne, Eminem, Jamie Foxx, and Kanye West, ultimately landing on what they call the biggest hole in most of these theories: no known method exists for instantly aging a clone to match an adult’s appearance.

“There’s one massive hole that no one’s talking about: how do you age a clone to be the right age?”

— the guys, on the record
// THE EVIDENCE
  • Dolly the sheep was created in 1996 at Scotland’s Roslin Institute, taking a mammary gland cell from a six-year-old Finn Dorset sheep and an egg cell from a Scottish Blackface sheep through a process called somatic cell nuclear transfer.
  • Researchers say Dolly’s 2003 death at age six, roughly half a sheep’s normal 10-to-12-year lifespan, from arthritis and a virus-linked lung disease, was not attributed to her being a clone.
  • President George W. Bush used a State of the Union address to call on Congress to pass legislation banning human cloning, creating embryos for experiments, and creating human-animal hybrids.
  • In September 2023, researchers at Israel’s Weizmann Institute reportedly created a developing human embryo model using only adult human skin cells, without sperm, an egg, or a womb.
  • A religious group called Clonaid, tied to the belief system Raelism, claimed in 2002 to have produced the first cloned human, a girl named Eve, but has never provided proof and still claims 13 successful human clones on its website.
  • US company ViaGen reportedly charges around $50,000 to clone a dog and $25,000 to clone a cat, with Barbra Streisand cited as an example of a customer who cloned her dog Samantha and now has two dogs by that name.
// CASE QUESTIONS
Was Dolly the sheep the first cloned animal ever?
No. The hosts note that scientists had already cloned a sea urchin embryo in 1885, a salamander in 1902, and a rabbit embryo in 1975, plus three sheep from fetal cells between 1984 and 1995. Dolly’s breakthrough in 1996 was being the first mammal cloned from an adult cell using somatic cell nuclear transfer.
How did scientists actually clone Dolly the sheep?
Researchers at the Roslin Institute in Scotland took a cell from the mammary gland of a six-year-old Finn Dorset sheep and an egg cell from a Scottish Blackface sheep, then used a process called somatic cell nuclear transfer to create an embryo that was implanted in a surrogate. Dolly was born in July 1996 with the white face of her genetic donor rather than her Blackface surrogate mother.
Is human cloning legal in the United States?
The hosts reference President George W. Bush’s State of the Union address, in which he asked Congress to pass legislation prohibiting human cloning, the creation of embryos for experiments, and human-animal hybrids. They also discuss Clonaid, a group that claims its first alleged human clone was born outside the US for the child’s own safety, apparently to avoid such restrictions.
How much does it cost to clone a pet?
According to the hosts, US company ViaGen charges roughly $50,000 to clone a dog and $25,000 to clone a cat, plus about $1,600 to genetically preserve a pet’s cells for future cloning. They note these prices are about half of what an earlier South Korean company charged before reportedly producing 600 cloned dogs by 2015.
// THE FULL TRANSCRIPT
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Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. Yo yo yo, what up? Like, do I talk now? How’s everybody doing tonight? Great, man. And just so everyone knows, Jorge does exist, he’s a real person. I know, he’s been, he’s been much more active in, in the Discord. I’ve super, I’ve been super pleased, I’m proud of him. And if you guys are just listening in for the first time, you can join our Discord for free, or we have, um, other options as well. Options, well, you can join the disc, the free Discord, which limits you to General, General pleb chat, right, but you canang, you can hang out with us for a little bit and everybody else.

But then we got other things, like the rich, rich folk, weel, the rich only level, we have the VIP chats, which is for, um, all patreon members, getting the VIP chats and a bunch of subred, sub, not subreddits, whoopsies, like sub discords, like, uh, about your hobbies. And we got trivia, we got show feedback, we’ve got ideas, suggestions, like a whole morgage Board of [bleep] in there. So come hang out with us, please. Exactly, it’s very personal, uh, so this episode, hang out with, like, Eric and Sean mostly. Yeah, Jge, when you see J, is like a unicorn has come into the chat, and then he’s gone, and he’s disappear.

I’m back, I’m back, baby. I know, sometimes I text him personally and I’m like, hello, are you alive? So this episode is brought to you by one of our VIP patreons, by Caprice. And not only is this her request, this is her research too. I know, Capr is kill. So she did a double, she’s, you know, her episode, so you know this is going to be legit episode cuz she’s like, she already had this documentation, like, ready to go, like, on the off the cuff. That’s right. So this episode is all about cloning, cloning technology. Uh, what does cloning mean for us? Uh, the technology has advanced far enough for us to be [bleep] worried, dude.

That’s the, that’s the, it actually has, it’s kind of a little weird. Yeah. So from Jurassic Park to Star Wars, Attack of the Clones. Oh yeah, we’ve all seen our fair share of Science Fiction cloning. But what if cloning was real, and what if we walked among them and we didn’t know it, and they were just like, hey, it’s like the, like, Barista, and you’re like, like, why is he so Dicky, clone? He’s like [bleep]. So 18 years ago, President George W Bush gave a state-of the Union Address prohibiting the use of human cloning in the US. But where else does the world stand in this dilemma, and how did we even arrive here?

And this is where we’re going to play Bush. “Hopeful Society has institutions of science and medicine that do not cut ethical corners, and that recognize the matchless value of every life. Tonight, I ask you to pass legislation to prohibit the most egregious abuses of medical research: human cloning in all its forms, creating or implanting embryos for experiments, creating a human animal hybrids, and buying, selling, or patting human embryos. Human life is a gift from our creator, and that gift should never be discarded, devalued, or put up for sale.” So that’s Bush. Yeah, I mean, I would have to say I’m, I’m in full agreement with GDB, like, yeah, I think, human clone, why, why do you need a [bleep] clone?

What’s the purpose? Can’t help but, like, laugh every time I hear that guy. I know, I love, I just love his voice. I feel like, hard to take him serious. It really, I just think of, like, my kid, like, trying to, like, explain to me, like, why I should give her a [bleep] popsicle. Like, hear me out, check me out. Well, cloning is not a new idea, it’s been around for generations, and began as far back as 7,000 BC through selective plant breeding. Oh, okay, okay, I was going to say, like, they were not, were they cloning [bleep]? Like, so, so basically this helps speed up normal development and allows farmers and gardeners to reproduce reliable plants based off of their mother plants.

Oh yeah, you do, like, uh, yeah, like, my wife does that, she, she takes, like, little, you pretty much take cross-sections of that same plant, and then, and then, grow a new plant from that same plant. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I know what we talking about. While this is a widely used cloning process, this is obviously not what we’re actually talking about, we’re not NE, it’s more of a replication of a plant, it’s not taking, like, the DNA, creating a new plant. So there are two types of cloning, therapeutic, and then reproductive cloning. Oh yeah, so it’s like you take, like, if you clone, like, you know, cells in your body, and then, like, pump them back, pump them back into your body.

Stem cells. Exactly, stem cell. Exactly, exactly, right, that’s right. Um, so therapeutic cloning copies genes, tissues, or organs, and Ed, to treat or prevent diseases. Reproductive cloning typically, what we think of, are living copies of other organic, full organisms. Mhm. Okay, so as Medical Science progresses, there’s the concept of, say your kidney fails, yeah, and then they clone a new kidney, clone a kidney, instead of taking Sean’s kidney and giving it to me, and then I have some [bleep] up kidney, like, useless kidney, I actually would then have a fully cloned kidney of my own. We also know that it’s like, it’s your body is going to accept it, like, you know, there’s obviously that, when you get, like, you know, transplants, there’s, there is a chance that it’s like the body’s, like, this already exists, like, oh yeah.

Oh dude, I think they, like, they Clon, I think they’ve cloned, like, many organs. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, we’re going to go, yeah, we’re going to go, like, here’s what I think is, I think at the end of this it’s really going to be the, the debate between how far do you go. Yeah, yeah, and how, how far is, like, too far. I feel like this is like a Disney thing, yeah, he’s like, you know, like, just make me another one who’s got fresh lungs, for, like, you know, it’s like a fresh lung. One, in 1885, the first artificial embryo was formed by splitting two cells within a sea urant in Germany.

This really got the ball rolling and allowed scientists to see the potential in being able to clone different organisms, but a lot had to happen to get to where we are today, from 1885. Oh yeah, of course. While technology developed in the 1900s, cloning slowly began to advance from those early trials. The first massive Milestone was in 1902, when the first vertebrae species, a salamander, like, vertebrae, yeah, mean has a spine, yeah, was cloned via artificial twinning, which was the same technique from 1885. Oh, like they take, they take, like, an actual, in essence make, yeah, like, you’re, you’re making a false twin, by, that’s right, but instead of a twin happens when, this, the cells, name it, it split naturally, and they create two of the exact, two exact copies, they, like, they’re like, we’re cutting it, we’re splitting, that’s right.

So artificial twinning, unlike cloning, gives a result similar to that of identical twins, is exactly what Sean’s talking about, meaning that the new organism is not actually a copy, but it’s just similar. So it would have, like, different DNA? No, same exact DNA. Same DNA. But it would be like, you ever see a twin, I mean, I don’t know if you know any twins, but yeah, they’re not quite the same. Well, they’re, they’re, they’re the same, they’re identical in, in, in terms of, like, like the phys, like, but there’s physiological differences, but, like, they, in terms of, like, they genetic code, they’re EX, the same.

Yeah, so the DNA is the same. DNA is exactly the same, in identical twins. Ex, DNA is exactly the same, because it come from the same cell. So identical twins is when it comes from the same cell and the cell splits, yeah, and then they, those two separate cells grow, and then fraternal twins is when there’s just, two, there’s two fertilized eggs that happen to both be in there, so that’s why they look completely different, but they’re twins, cuz they’re born at the same time. Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, this is where progress halted, and for 26 years nothing progressed. Then, in 19 28, scientists discovered that a cell’s nucleus controls the development of embryos, and that was the key to cracking the code for cloning animals, and then possibly, down the line, humans.

Weird. With this new scientific understanding, cloning became a space race, of cloning, so to speak, like, got to beat the Russians. Essentially, yeah, essentially, who was going to be able to deliver the first clone. In 1952, scientists in Philadelphia performed a successful nuclear transfer in frogs, a process that, unlike early techniques, involved transferring a, a differentiated nucleus into an egg cell to create a clone. So, for example, oh, so they take the [bleep] nucleus from the cell itself and just put it in a different cell? There you go. Weird. Yes, so for example, so once they figured out that the nucleus was the key, then they were like, okay, well then how do we [bleep] with that?

Yes, so for example, the Frog experiments use an intestine cell to develop more Tad pulse. Yeah. By 1975, they had created their first mammal embryo, a rabbit. This proved that cloning was, in fact, possible, but still had researchers questioning if artificial egg cells could develop into adult animals when placed into a surrogate mother. It also left researchers wondering if adult cells could be cloned, or if that was only a possibility for embryotic Embry, if they could take, like, from an adult, instead of, like, an, most, the most, the most like malleable form of human, of life, is like the, the EMB, right? So basically that is, could you clone Jorge, compared to the embryo that created Jorge, you know, x amount of years ago?

Okay, yeah. I also think that, I mean, just from, for Branding purposes, we should make a drink called nucleus, like, I feel like that’d be, like, a hot, like, energy drink, like, nucle. I’d [bleep] drink. Nucleus, it’s the key, nucleus. So a point of note, there were three cloned sheep that were born between 1984 and 95, but these were from, uh, fetal cells, so they weren’t, I mean you could call them cloned, but they, they were, again, using that technique. You’re, you’re, you’re cloning, like, a thing that’s not even fully formed, like, there, you, as opposed to, like, you’re taking, like, yeah, cuz we think a clones, yeah, like somebody scrapes my skin cells off and, like, you know, another me walking around.

Exactly, we think of, like, okay, Britney Spears left at 97, and there’s a new person there now, rather than scrap. Okay, okay, so these questions would finally be answered in ’96, though. Researchers at the rosin Institute in Scotland had taken the mamory gland of a six-year-old Finn Dorset sheep and an egg cell from a Scottish blackface sheep for a process called sematic cell nuclear transfer. So scnt involves taking cells from an adult and transferring them into an egg cell, which they are then placed into a surrogate. Okay, you tracking? So they pretty much take the, they, like, they put the cells in it to make that egg, that thing, and then they fertilize it?

Yes. And then, it’s so weird, but then how, it wouldn’t be, how can you, like, that’s my thing, is like, in order, oh, maybe it’s already fertilized, you already, you take an already fertilized egg, and then you pretty much, like, you you brute force the, the other genetic code into it, because, yeah, I don’t know the answer, because you would think, like, if it wasn’t, if it wasn’t already fertilized, then you’re adding in new genetics with the, with, with the sperm that’s fertilizing the egg, so you’re adding in, like, another separate genetic code, so therefore it wouldn’t actually be a clone, it would just be like, it would be like a sun.

Yes, in essence, cuz it’ be half, it’ be half theing, hairline, but that’s, it’s the black face ball sheep. Okay, so this, uh, the Sheep’s name was Dolly, and it was named after Dolly Parton. Really? Never guessed that. And was born to her Scottish blackface, s, I don’t know why it’s called black face, why, how do they get away with that? Cu it’s a she, doesn’t matter, I don’t know, nobody cares, no race going on here, inter species racism. It’s like with the nword. She, Scottish nword sheep. I love how I love how sheep can do black face but I can’t. Exctly, that’s not fair, sheep, supered, the Sheep, the Sheep can’t be cancelled.

Uh, so okay, so dolly was born to her Scottish blackf surrogate mother in July of 96, but oddly enough, Dolly had a white face, ooh, and no markings or genetic similarities to her surrogate mother. Oh, so, like, [bleep], instead she was the exact clone of the cell donor, not her surrogate mother. Well, then wasn’t that the point? Well, why would it be a clone of the surrogate mother? Because they thought it was going to be a clone of the, or they thought it was going to be just for, like, matching the surrogate mother, but then essentially it was cloned. Oh, they’re like, oh [bleep], they’re like, oh my God, this is cloned, and so then, this is way better than we thought.

It became an international Phenom, Dolly, Dolly’s everywhere, Dolly the Clone. Here we are in ’96, oh my God, we can clone [bleep]. They’re, they’re totally thinking, like, we’re winning Nobel prizes for this [bleep]. Yes, and then, of course, goof figur, George Lucas is like, let’s make Attack of the Clones, perfect time, I already have this idea, it’s my idea. Yeah, so Dolly quickly became an international sensation and revolutionized the world of science, and I quote, “her birth proved that adult specialized cells could be used to create an exact copy of the animal that they come from, and it opened the world of possibilities for cloning everywhere.” So with Dolly’s birth came about excitement, but also criticism, in the ethical concept.

Oh yeah, right, here we go. Would she have medical complications? Would she be premature? At what age would the acceleration begin? Would she live a normal life? Is it inhumane to to breed her, because maybe she’s going to have a horrible life and it’s going to be short? I don’t know, I me, all these different things. So there you go, that that became, we, genetic anomalies, like, you like [bleep]. Yeah, but for the most part she lived a normal life, killing it. She still, through Health screens, scientists were able to determine that she did not display, uh, weird Benjamin Button age related comp, that would be [bleep] wild though, she’s born, it’s like, just, like, [bleep], I know, like, can’t even [bleep] bleet, right?

She went on to birth six babies. Oh [bleep]. Oh wow. She lived normally with other sheep at the Roslin Institute. In 2001, living her best life, six kids, dolly, Dolly was diagnosed and treated with arthritis. Dolly lik [bleep] mac and cheese. And she, around this time, she contracted a sheep virus that caused lung cancer, um, and then, while she continued to live normally, she, her lung, the lung Rus, eventually she was put to death in 2003 at the age of six. I don’t, I wonder if that is, that, like, a, what’s, what’s the regular lifespan of a sheep? Well, they did determine that her sickness in early death is not attributed to being a clone.

Okay, I was going to ask, like, does it mess with your immune system or something? I know. Well, how would they even know? Like, well, it was not because she was a clone, I mean, obviously we, we need the test, over, the cloning is perfect. So the normal lifespan of a sheep is 10 to 12 years, so she was, like, half, little early. Yeah, she was a little early, she clearly not cuz she was clone, like, I know, science is, the science is science. She has six kids, so she passed away at, like, middle age. Yeah, middle age, she was, like, probably, like, she was like yeah, she’s like 38.

Yeah, in sheep years. Sheep years, I love it. No, I’m just trying to think, like, the average lifespan of, of a human is what, like, 80? 80, 80ish, yeah. And so, it said, you know, so I don’t know, I just, thr, number, actually I think I just read it the other day, I think, um, males is 74 and women are 77. I know, they always live, they live long, us, cuz they’re like, [bleep] you, cuz they’re so hot. I know, right, cuz they’re always, right, yes, I know, right, they’re always right. I guarantee my wife will outlive Me by many moons, like many a years.

Following Dolly, researchers began to wonder if primates, so they’re kind of up, up in it, they’re up in it, they go from the, the cell to the salamander, the Frog tadpool, to the Sheep, the rabbit, the she, rabbit, there you go, yeah, so they’re going up. So following Dolly, reachers began to wonder a more specialized organism, such as a primate, could also be cloned. In 97, the first monkey clone, which was a close relative of humans, was achieved. In the same year, scientists successfully completed the nuclear transfer in a sheep, using genetically engineered lab cells, to treat blood clotting issues by manipulating proteins found in his DNA.

So by 99, countless animals have been cloned, dude. Yeah, they, I, cows, goats, they clone [bleep] camels, and [bleep], like, in [bleep] Saudi Arabia they, they literally cloned, like, this, like, prized [bleep], like, $18 million [bleep] camel, like, this [bleep], like, this, like, you know, one of the, they’re like, yeah, like, it’s like a thorough breed [bleep] camel, baby, like, they cloned him, and they were like, [bleep] yeah, they spent, like, millions of dollars to clone this [bleep], like, it’s a, a $50 million camel. Oh, is this, is this, these, we’re going to put these up on the patreon. Yeah, so there’s Dolly, ooh, o, she’s the non-blackface one.

Okay, yeah, the white, the white white face, Dolly, just like Dolly. Um, so in 2001, the first endangered animal was cloned, they cloned a GU bison and a mlin sheep. So it seems like they’re doing good things, they’re like, okay, you know, now we can, that’s how it always starts, always starts, save this species, it always, that’s how they, you, in the feels, don’t you, like, [bleep] koala bears, they’re so cute, we’re clone a couple of them, are you, again, saving this, this extinct species, in the arms, I know, you’re like, God damn it, just take the money. What card is open, babe? What can we use this on?

In more recent years, up till 2013, scientists then were able to create primate and human embryotic stem cells using that method, a useful experiment to explore how cloning could be used medically and therapeutically to Aid against diseases. I’m down with therapeutic now. Therapetic rout to, for sure, like, okay, you shouldn’t be, like, we’ll get into it later. So now we’re going to kind of fast forward to today, and what’s really kind of going on now, that we’ve progressed through the animals and the technology thing. The latest, the latest update, in September of 2023, and cloning, comes from Israel. Researchers at the WIS men Institute, who’ve created a developing human embryo without the use of sperm, eggs, or a womb.

That’s [bleep] weird. Instead they use adult human skin cells to create the embryo. That’s insane, the skin, they didn’t even use, like, internal cells, like, external cells, that’s [bleep] mind. What, what if, like, what if you got some, either you’re, like, the New York Subway or something, and then they scrape off a little, there’s a little Gunk on there too, like, what could be, like, a 10 different sha, out there in the world. Yeah, I really [bleep] hope not, just for your sake, not mine. Researchers argue that cloning can Aid in studying diseases associated with gene mutation. It could increase a farmers crop yields, revive endangered or extinct species, help with infertility problems, and be used in medical and Commercial Fields.

Along with that comes questions of ethicality, playing God, exploitation tied to egg donors, surrogates, a black market of egg donors, or a black market of clones. I know, it’s like, I want Kobe, like, make my son Kobe. Literally, do it. Yes. So, um, dude, actually, well, weirdly enough there’s a, there’s a movie, there’s a really shitty low rent movie that I watch randomly, um, [bleep], what is it called, I think it’s called about, about cloning, you know, Heaven vers hell, but, like, the, like, the hell people are, then they’ve managed to get cells from, like, all these super [bleep], Mozart, and the Clone Jesus, the Clone Jesus, yeah, they do, oh, it’s called, I think it’s called the Devil Conspiracy movie.

Oh wow, the Devil Conspiracy, I’ve seen that on Netflix. I haven’t looked, I watch the movie, aut aut. So pretty much, like, these, like, devil worshippers, they steal, apparently there’s this, like, rag that was, like, over Jesus’s face when he was put, when he was, like, buried, and it has, like, his cells on it, and they, like, steal it, and then they’re able to, so they sell pretty much clones of all these Elite, like I said, Mozart and D Vinci, and, like, all this [bleep], and, like, people pay, like, millions of dollars to have, like, their kid be that, like, then, like, a replication of that.

The next one was Jesus, and they, who wants to have their kid be Jesus? Like, highest bidding. And then there was, like, a [bleep] Porter to Hell, a weird thing, and then there was, like, angels, and, and, it was a shitty movie. You lost me. Now it was, it was a super shitty movie, but, hey, it’s about this, it is about this, okay, it’s on Eric’s, uh, PL list. Then started to develop these things called cloning radicalists. Yeah, just sounds about right. Yeah, sounds about right. So the first of these research radicals to step up was something called clone a clone a clone a, an organization based on the religious belief of an ancient civilization, an ancient alien civilization called rism.

The group had 35,000 members when they began to advocate for human cloning in 1997. Oh, they’re like radicals for human cloning. Yeah. Oh, I, I was not expecting that, I was expecting on the opposite side. By 2002, the group had announced their first successful human clone, named Eve. Wait, what, how did they, how did they do it themselves? Fundraising with, and 35,000 people, were they all rich? Who are these 35,000 people? It was reported that the girl was born via C-section at 7 lbs to a 31-year-old American woman. However, because of the strict cloning laws in the US, Eve was born outside of the borders for her own safety.

Proof of Eve’s existence was never provided, and the information was offered just at face value. Okay, so we have, there’s, there’s literally Z more, it’s more of, like, we did it, it’s more TR me, trust me, trust me, trust me, it’s more of, like, if us three went to Cuba, we raised a bunch of money, we got a scientist, and, like, clone me, and, and then we cloned somebody, I don’t know if they did or didn’t, but, and then we sent out a press release saying we did, they’re like, provide proof, they’re like, providing, but we can’t provide proof, National Security, terrorist, terrorizers. So clone a, despite the, the doubt and the controversy around them as a, as a group, they just continued to report successful cloning.

We got this [bleep] down to a, um, today, clone A’s website is still active, claiming that they are pioneers in human cloning with 13 successful clones around the globe. They are, meanwhile, most of the scci, like, scientific Community, cbia, like, [bleep] you. Looking up the website, here’s clone a, yeah, welcome to oursite, 1993 HTML, I looked it up, to wor, websites, yes, to human cloning, and this, like, a DNA, like, a baby, like, it’s almost retro, kind, please feel free to browse our site and, and learn more, what we are about, like, no copy on there, and, like, Services, you’re like, come down to come down to Cuba and we can, first fill out our contact form, one of our Representatives will contact you to discuss your situation and goals, our medical team will eval, evalue, what you’re, I know, I saw it, I saw it and I was like, I can’t, and I I clicked away.

Yeah, but the, “maybe a genetic twin or clone of the cell donor will be delivered in a new human life, that of the desired child will begin.” Do you think you could pay them, like, do you think it’s, yeah, like, they actually, this is, this is like for profit for sure. Yeah, in 2004, “human cloning is a safe reproductive choice, and our success rate is similar to those of other assisted reproduction techniques. If you have HIV plus and want to have a child that would be your genetic twin without infecting either the baby your partner with the virus.” Wow, what, there’s a lot of claims here, they heavily claimed.

Okay, in 2004, a South Korean veterinarian and biologist named hang wuk reported in a world-renowned science journal that he and his team successfully used the, you know, the technique we talked about at the beginning, yeah, the nuclear CNT, they used that method to develop the first human embryonic stem cell. hang quickly received World recognition and was seen as a hero in South Korea. It wasn’t long until whistleblowers began to emerge, though, claiming that Wang had coerced his own research team to donate their own eggs, and that the data had been manufactured and altered so that South Korea could be recognized for the first time in an academic Journal.

This became known as the weighing Affair, and his research was then thrown out. The wanging affair, I like that, that sounds like a solid Netflix movie. Again, the Wang, again, four years later, in South Korea, a biotech company began cloning dogs, and by 2015, the company had produced 600 dog clones for families looking to clone their Furry Friends. D, so I understand this industry, I would totally clone Archie. I would not, I would 100% clone him, like, can you do it from ashes, can, let me, let me ask you, let me ask you a question, how much, how much should I pay? Yeah, how much did you pay?

Archie, Archie was his, uh, Archie was my boxer who died, he, a boxer who passed away, he was my, he’s my baby, he’s, best, my best friend. So what is your monetary threshold to clone Archie, man? I just, just based on my own financial means. No, no, no, not right now, I’m not talking about your finan, if you had the money. If I had the money, yeah, what is, like, what’s too much? If I had the, if I, if I was super rich, I’d probably go up to 100K. 100K AR, if you super rich. If I was super rich, yeah, any more, I’d be like, [bleep] off, he’s a dog, like, come on.

What if you’re just doing Med mediocre, you know, you’re like, if, if it, if it was, like, my Geral, like, [bleep], 500, 500, like, like, but if it’s like, it’s just any more than that for, like, even for your cherish pet, it’s like, come on, yeah, like, come on, this is ridiculous. I bring that up because I’m going to go over what they charge, pricing, their pricing table, uh, so, also in the US, buy one clone get the, so that company says they successfully produced 600 clone dogs. In the US, a new company emerged based from that, which is called viagen, and they started cloning pets and Liv stock only.

Yeah, they also offered genetic preservation so that owners can choose to clone their pets at later times. They love them so much, like, all, in 20 years I’m G to [bleep] bring that [bleep] back. Um, so if you’re interested, vien has cut the South Korean prices in half, so here are their prices: 50 grand for a dog. Okay, hey, that’s, hey, that’s, that’s half, the, like, I was, I was willing to pay South Korean pricing. 25 grand for a cat. Like, yeah, [bleep] them, I mean, they live way longer, you know, they’re, no offense to Cece, but they are way lower on the pole. Oh yeah, like, you don’t, you don’t really love them, but they’re like, they’re there, they’re like, they’re like a roommate.

I mean, I have, 1%, I believe they ruled Egypt. Oh, for sure, I’m very, I’m, I’m very close, another very close to that, cat, built up here, it’s like, [bleep], build them human [bleep]. Yeah, and then it’s 1,600 bucks to genetically preserve them. My thing is, like, how a future for, like, a year, or just, like, they’ll hold it forever? Question, but how do you know they’re, like, actually, like, doing it, or, like, they look at a picture and they, like, Source, like, another dog looks like it, 50 Grand, they’re like, look, it’s your puppy, they’re like, he looks just like him. I wonder if their personality is the same.

No, no, it’s no way, no way, cuz, cuz, person, that’s what I was just going to say, it’s like, okay, might get close to looking like him, but they’re never going to be, like, the same dog. The same dog, because obviously it’s like personality isn’t, like, ingrained in, like, genetic sequ. So I have a dog, and, and every morning he jumps on the bed and then he rests his backster, backst, her, and he rests his head on my shoulder, saying, like, I need to eat, this is my time to eat. So do you think they would have the similar, no, I don’t think so, do you know what I mean, but, you know, you probably, you’re, got dogs probably have the same kind of, like, something like, do something, you know, the every day, and it’s that thing, you know, the old concept, like nature versus nurture, like the old, you heard the age old things like are, nature vers, nature versus nurture, it’s like, that’s mainly for, like, for humans, but it can also be, to animals, does someone do something because it’s their nature, or they do it because of their upbringing?

So it’s like, are you, like, you’ve seen that movie, uh, Trading Places? Yeah, oh my God, that’s, concept, the concept of, like, is it, are you inherently this way, or is it because of your experiences in life that have made you into you? Are, same concept with animals, obviously animals been super domesticated, so I, I feel like the nature part is mostly has, has been, like, brute forced out of animals, like, especially domestic animals, because, like, you know, my [bleep] dog, he can’t survive on his own, he’d be, like, waiting at the door, like, please let me in, I can’t eat without you. So it’s like the, the nature part’s kind of ruling out.

So, like, the way that dogs react and interact with their owners and Masters is because of their experiences from a baby. Like, so there’s no way to tell that you get a new dog and you treat it the same way, that it will just do the same things, who knows, there’s no way to [bleep], [bleep]. But if it’s a clone, [bleep], no, that’s ridiculous, I’m saying, that’s what I’m asking, it’s not like he’s like, it’s not like, oh, like, his life just begins again, like, the same life is like, here, but, that theory, what do you, what do you subscribe to, what do you believe in, cuz I love the, but it’s not going to work, I feel like it’s 100% nurt, because I’m like, look, you can, you can take, if you take 100 people and you bring them up well, and you teach them right, and they’re in, like, a a a decently well-off family, and they’re loved and they’re treated well, they’ll be good, they’ll be good people for the most part.

If you take people and you treat them like [bleep] their whole life, and they’re in poverty, and you just [bleep], constantly kicking them, pushing, put them around [bleep] drug dealers and game B, they’re going to do that because that’s the only thing they know how to do. So it’s like, for the most part, I mean, there’s a lot of people that get out of the hood and something, like, I’m not saying, you’re, there’s something to the nature too. No, I’m not saying you’re forced into that, but, like, the thing is, do you have the ability to to pull yourself up out of a shitty situation, you know, whereas, like, so that’s, like, an individual thing.

No, it’s an individual thing, but I, I do think nurture is, is a big part of how people become who they are, because what you’re exposed to, what you think is okay. If I, if I was, like, for lar percentage, if I, if my daughter was growing up and I was smoking crack every day, she’d be like, okay, smoking crack is, like, the way to live life, you know, like, this is what I do, my, my dad’s, my dad does it every day, like, why wouldn’t I do that? Yeah, because it’s what, it’s how kids learn, they learn from their parents, they learn how to [bleep] talk, the whole environment.

Yeah, yeah, so I think that’s, it’s not the only thing, but it’s a big thing. Yeah, okay, okay, cool, cool. Well, essentially, how they do it is the companies take small biopsies from the cat or dog, and then they’re cloned and then Place into surrogate carrier cats or dogs. So they take a a biopsy and then they basically, like, take one of the cells so they can get the, the nuclei, that’s right. Yeah, and then they, so they will look like them, correct, the physical, I think that’s the point, it’s like, it’s like a Nostalgia, that’s why they say it’s the twin thing, where if you not going to be the same [bleep], but, like, they look real similar and they’re really closed.

Yeah, like same genetics. Yeah, so, you know, one twin, one Twin’s like an [bleep], you know, this dog, like, shits all over your bed every night, you’re like, God damn it. True. So, as an example, though, Barbara Sten did do this cloning, yeah, the animal this thing, and she cloned her dog Samantha, and she now has two Samanthas. Wow, it’s like, how many clones can I get? It’s like multiple. Uh, there’s another coming, two get one free, I’m going to take six, we got a real hot deal going on. Memorial Day sale. Say, Memorial Day sale, like, [bleep] fire sale. Again, I know this is not totally related, but we’ve talked about it on a few episodes, what, like, crazy [bleep] rich people do.

Oh my God, you know what I mean. I think I would create a pack of dogs that are the same, same, and, Sh, I wonder which one would survive. In a while, Eric’s like, I need a hundred of backs. I need aund backers. I do feel like if I was, if I was rich, I would just be, I would just be on the internet and be like, what the weirdest thing I can buy, I’d be like, yeah, like, and I’d call my credit card company, I’m like, this isn’t fraan, I’m about to make a weird puras, I’m about to spend so much money, like, don’t cancel it, just let it happen.

So there’s another company that was founded from this in 2021, they’re called colossal biosciences, and they are a d Extinction company, and that’s what they build themselves as, and their whole goal is to “jump start Nature’s ancestrial heartbeat, to see the w wlly Mammoth Thunder upon the tundra once again.” I actually don’t think that’s right, we should not bring the woly mammoth back, are you kidding me, to Advance 30 feet tall [bleep] giant creature, [bleep], that, to advance the, this is their slogan, by the way, that I’m reading, “to advance the economies of biology and nutrition to make Humanity more human and to reawaken the Lost Wilds of Earth so we and our planet can breathe easier.” I mean, first of all, that’s the quote, that’s their marketing, I think we should bring, uh, the mammoth back, what, where, okay, first of all, where the [bleep] are they going to live, what do you mean, Idaho, or Tex, dude, Okay, zoo, zoo, just give us one, that’s all, he’s like, my daughter’s [bleep] dying, we’ll call it Jurassic Park, bring the dinosaur back, we got Island sh, it’s, I know, this is literally how it starts, this is literally how, like, look, it’s just DNA, it’s not going to hurt us, got guns, you have a T-Rex.

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No, but also it’s like, within, within 20 years, 30, actually, no, I’m say within 100 years, when do you imagine the population’s going to be at, what, 10 billion, 10 billion, 12 billion, yeah, no way more. And then, where, in 10 years, oh, 10, oh, sorry, what, I said 100, I moved it, I moved it, said 10 billion, 100 years, 100 years, what, 10 billion, 12 billion, we’re going to double, we’re going to double, what do you think, they’re going to have the [bleep] space to put a goddamn woolly mammoth there? G, I don’t know, I’ve driven AC, I’ve driven across the state of Texas many times, it’s [bleep] huge.

Yeah, that’s massive, you know, shout out Texas, you know, Texas is, like, larger than, if Texas was its own country it’s, like, the 17th largest country, it’s a [bleep] huge, us, us, from 10 hours, I used to live down south South Texas, and then I have a cousin that lives all the way, like, Northwest Texas, 12 hours driving just to get there. Oh my God, and I’m still, still in TAS, you’re still in Texas, still in Texas, we actually have new, new, new rich guy patreon member from Texas, he, as, he asked me not to hate him, but [bleep] the Cowboys, you’re, you’re cool, [bleep] the cowbo, you’re cool.

Okay, so this, this, this company, the team will utilize stem cell technology and the C, uh, scnt, to reverse engineer the development of animals that once walk the earth, like woolly mammoths, dodo birds, all those mythical, not mythical, I mean, dragons, unicorn, bigots, I know, big foots, big feets, that’s why there’s so many bigfoots out there, I know, they’re like, cling, they’re like, maybe this is like a really hairy dude, clone his ass, this is like my cousin, [bleep]. So with all the progress in the field of cloning, it makes you wonder, what is going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about, is there a real life Jurassic Park, dude, are we living, we live in a man manufactured world, have you seen the movie, but do you think there is one, no way, there’s no way, not like a [bleep] like dinosaurs, like T-Rex, but, like, maybe they did bring back some, I don’t know, I don’t, I just don’t think, the argument, don’t think there’s a hot enough market for It.

Like, O cool, no, not like a park where people go visit, but, like, somewhere where they have, where they’re like, and they’re like testing it. Okay, I believe that, I believe they’re testing it somewhere, I mean frankly that might be the whole Area 51, Skinwalker Ranch, where they’re just testing [bleep] weird [bleep], can we just solve another one, did we just do a thank, two, give it up, there up top, that was a super long, I mean, seriously, I waited 30 seconds to get that high five back, and then Eric had to point it out, filmed it, know, I like, I started moving, no, I was just pointing it, I, but I mean, that’s, that’s where it gets wild, right, is, is, are there clones among, I keep hearing stuff at skin walker, the clones are like, [bleep] kill me.

So we’ve talked a lot about animals, but now, you know, this technology started a long time ago, oh yeah, so there, I mean, you know, there is the possibility, a big possibility, that there is some sort of underground, so here are some, here are some theories that are going around about clones. Yeah, one of these is a series that we have done an entire episode on already, really, and that is the death in replacement of Paul McCartney. There’s actually quite a few, there’s quite a few people that I think, as you can see on the these pictures, quite a few celebrities. Oh yeah, so the Paul McCartney one, uh, if you haven’t listened to that episode, uh, go back, I think it was, like, episode 40, take, yeah, around there, um, and we we went over his death, not his death, we went over his passing, no, we went over, over all the theories that that were involved in the night that he got into a car crash.

And so then the other Theory, I think we just touched on it a little bit, was that he was replaced. Yeah, yeah, and he was replaced with either a lookalike or a clone. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so that’s the theory, is that, that, that Paul McCartney was replaced. Also with a clone. Now, I don’t really want to go over all the stuff that we went over in the previous episode, you know, of the, um, the secret messages, in the, thought was stupid, so I really did, I was like, no, they, like, if you look on the cover in the, in, in one of the mushrooms, you listen to it in reverse, but you got to slow it down, 3.2, the frequency, as long, okay.

Now here’s another story, you ready, this is a wild one, okay, and it might lead to a major Rabbit Hole by a lot of listeners, okay. Uh, in 2001, I don’t know if you know this, but Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake were in a really bad car accident. I don’t not know that, yeah, I remember, they were dating? Yeah, of course, I knew they were dating. Allegedly, the couple had been driving down an LA freeway at over 100 mph while Under the Influence, with an empty flask found at the crash site. Okay, according to a Dallas radio station, Britney was fatally wounded and JT was put into a coma because of his injuries.

Oh [bleep], but he’s, like, totally coach now. Of course, their, their publicists quickly shut the rumor down, saying that Britney was in great health and JT was just out touring within sync. But the radio DJs claimed that they were in comas, essentially, and then there was a major panic in fans, and, la, la, la, but some argue that the two were cloned because they were making so much money for their money label that their labels and agencies were not willing to lose the money. They’re like, H, okay, done, like, a couple of them, yeah, easy. Then, no, but, but then you go, you fast forward on the Britney one, and she’s, I mean, if you followed her, but she’s not, yeah, she’s not doing good, she’s not doing well, she’s not doing, even, even after, follow her now, yeah, even after she was released from, yeah, from the conserv conservative ship, [bleep], I don’t know, I mean, the theory, she still crazy, it’s pretty wild, I think, like, obviously, like, that going through what she did, I can, I can imagine that has a lot of trauma, and, like, anybody would be crazy after that.

Yeah, it’s like, you know, like, you can’t even trust your own family, and, like, that would, that would, if I, if my family had [bleep] me that hard, I would be [bleep] up. So, like, I think it, I, my personal thing is that she’s, disc, scarred from, from that, and then, you know, she now, she’s like, I’m free, I can do whatever the [bleep] I want, and she’s like, I’m going to do weird [bleep] now, but, blowing it out, here’s the theory, you ready, is, the theory is, is that she was cloned, then she kept making all this money, and then the Clone tweaked out, theone, the, and remember the clone’s, like, malfunction, no, and then remember, you remember when she, like, kind of lost, remember that, and then she got put into the conservative conservative ship conservative ship, and then, all, and then she was probably hospitalized, drugged, yes, dude, may, maybe, maybe the Clone, maybe the Clone was like, I am not Britney, I’m somebody else, like, I am not this person, this is not real, this is not me, this is the Matrix, like, shut up, elock, you trust me.

I know, it’s a far-fetched Theory, but that’s the theory, is that she was cloned and then the Clone tweet out, and then, I have a big hole, I, I’ll wait till the end, but there, there’s a very big hole. Yeah, but I’ll wait till the end. I like that another singer in the early 2000s was somebody by the name of AAL LaVine, and this has been theorized to, if she committed suicide after a downward depression and because the loss of her grandfather in 2003, and since that time she was either replaced with a clone or a body double. The theory originated from a Brazilian blog, super reputable, so here we have a problem already, yeah, the Brazilian BL blog claiming she was replaced by lookalike Melissa vandela.

She was at the peak of her punk rock career, but oddly transitioned into a colorful pop star during the release of the best damn thing in 2007. That does happen a lot nowadays though, like, there’s way more money in pop, so, like, it’s not that weird. Yeah, but that’s the theory, especially if you’re a major fan of AAR LaVine, it was a full shift from, yeah, it was, she was a bit of, not goth, is that, I mean, maybe go, she was, she was go, like, really thick black eyeliner and, like, yeah, it’s kind of go. What’s an aine song, oh yeah, yeah, I don’t even know the, the last part, I, I, the beginning, you know, sounds just like her, that is the wor, I’m not [bleep] a LaVine, that’s, I just know how it sounds, I don’t even know the words, dude, I’m going to pump that volume up, no, people are literally going to be, like, off, turn, done, this is where I shut it off, no, I did see this, and then I saw, like, the, the two people that they were putting on the [bleep] on the video, whatever, you could tell there’s a little bit different, but they were, like, very close.

I mean, if, but the thing is, if it is a clone, I guess, very CL, there’s this really interesting thing called plastic surgery that people get all the time, and, like, [bleep], they look completely different, cuz they’re, like, trying to be. Fans since have reported that there’s, that her handwriting has changed, her birth, they know, her birth marks have changed, her handwriting’s different, like, how do you know, her hand, voice has changed, you know, so there’s a lot of, like, the voice thing, sure, yeah, she grew up, she’s like, I’m, like, sick of punk, you know. Let me take a little side quest here, you know, to all my listeners who, uh, listen to number on my side of things, isn’t it great to see Jorge and Sean be so logical and so, like, you know, flip the script here, there’re so is real, they’re so analytical now and so, like, you know, it’s so, I’m proud of you guys.

Shut the [bleep] up, just wait till the end, Eric, this isn’t over. Uh, anyways, that’s, uh, AAL LaVine, but what’s really weird about the a LaVine thing is she stopped being famous. Yeah, that, I, to me, that’s the weirdest thing, that’s the weirdest part, like, you have not seen her, if she was cloned, it didn’t work, they’re like, we lost money on this deal, I don’t know any song by her anymore aside from the one, sea nailed, but yeah, thank you, no, but the thing is, like, also too, you would think it’s weird that they would clone people because of how popular artists become after they die.

Yeah, like, Tupac, big, massive popularity after they die, or even artist, physical art, you know, people draw, no, people, painters, more so, oh wow, they’re good, and they die, they’re the greatest, in the, you ever live, you know, it’s, it’s interesting how they were like, no, just keep, cuz I think, you know, touring and stuff, it’s like, that’s where they make the, they gener a lot of money, anyways. So the other one is, since 2006, Eminem has also been rumored to be a clone because of his agelessness, I had heard that one, his beard, they’re like, where, where’s that beard been all this time, I have to say, I fully disagree with this, he has so much plastic surgery.

Oh yeah, he doesn’t even look like he did. No, he doesn’t, I mean, Slim Shady allegedly died in a car crash and has since had changes in music style and voice. Fans also claim that the shape of his jaw and face have changed and his eyes went dead. But, see, this is what we were talking about, like, you cannot clone his skills, no way, like, there’s no [bleep], cuz he came out with, like, Rap God, I’m like, there’s no human alive who can make that song, like, I’m sorry, cuz, like, he’s, he’s so unique, his [bleep] is so, like, you can’t, like, voice Chang though, did it, but even if you had his voice, like, the [bleep] skills to put that, his wraps together, and he does it, it’s, it’s not like typical, it’s all, like, it’s so, right, it’s his own [bleep] style that only he does, like, no one else does it.

Essentially, where this Theory came from was a song called cloned rappers by Tom McDonald, and it talks about how the Illuminati, nobody knows, nobody, it talks about how the Illuminati clones rappers using bone samples to silence the Creative Visions and creative messages that they had, in order to control the message. I mean, I do feel like they’re controlling the message, but not via clones, I think they’re doing it via money. Yeah, so, um, and just some photos, and we’re going to put some photos of the of this on our patreon, specifically, which is the before and then the after. So we have AAL LaVine, we have Paul McCartney, we have Barbara St, with, uh, you know, different things like that.

Yeah, I mean, AAL is the one that looks the most different, but, like, you said, plas, I know the surgery technology has progressed, I mean, cuz if you look, I’m not, I’m not trying to be a dick here, but she does look hotter in the second picture. Yeah, she does, I mean, like, so, like, clearly that’s why I’m, like, going to plasic surgery, I’m like, that’s part of the cloning become. H, so another better version of yourself. Another story, and I got to admit, this, the way the story infolded was weird, and that was with Jamie Fox. Oh yeah, it was super weird, it was strange, wasn’t it, it just, super random, like, it didn’t progress like a normal story does, and that’s probably the most Rec one, right, yeah, and there wasn’t a lot of information, like, and it just, all of a sudden, like, he was gone, and then, like, he came back, and, and he looked all weird, yeah, he looked, like, really different, and, like, his skin, col, picture, so he had, if you don’t know, he had a few mysterious hospitalizations, and, and it was right after he filmed the movie, they clone Tyrone, it’s a movie about, a Netflix, netfli, movie on Netflix, you can check it out, yeah, it’s kind of like a fun kind of movie, you know, about cloning, and about, but it’s like, ridiculous, ridiculous, but the fact that this happened while he was filming, or, and sources claimed that he had been hospitalized due to a medical complication, however other reports indicated that fox may be blind or paralyzed, and I remember during this I thought he was dead.

Oh, I thought he died too, right, like, when the news came out, it, and then, and they were like, his family’s not saying anything, and they’re like, and then, and then he was like, oh, he’s alive, and I was like, he’s in a coma, like, he’s like [bleep] toast, I thought, five days later, yeah, it took forever, but then he came out with, that like Facebook video, or whatever, was like, oh hey guys, but that was months later. No, I’m back, so, after his Hospital, think it, a month, so right here, so after his hospitalization, Fox and his family remained silent, aside from the Instagram post from his daughter that explained he was fine and just playing pickle ball.

Since then, Jamie Fox jokingly said, you know, it’s crazy, I couldn’t do that 6 months ago, I couldn’t walk, and I’m not a clone, I’m not a clone. I love that he says, I’m not a clone. I know, he says, I know that makes me think he’s a clone, I am not a clone, he says, I know, a lot of people were saying I was cloned out there, I mean, good for him, that was a big rumor. So, you know, he’s just, I know, I know, it’s always funny too, trying to quell the rumors with, like, rich and famous people that’re like, oh, why isn’t the family giving us any information, and I’m like, if it was my family I’d be like, [bleep] you, you’re not getting anything, want to, well, we we were even saying some [bleep] about, like, the, uh, the princess, uh, a couple months ago.

Oh yeah, then they released him, we’re like, we had, like, we had, like, we’re like, [bleep], super sorry, she just needed some privacy. I know, like, I get it, you deserve your privacy, we’re, we’re dicks, you do you girl, like, you’re doing great. That’s something, Jamie Fox, think, I do think it’s weird that his skin tone is, like, super odd. Yeah, but you know, I, I do chalk that up to somebody getting really sick and going through a traumatic hospitalization, becoming far less black. Well, I don’t know, I don’t know, I mean, it’s just more the, gaun, I think that’s just the pictures that we’re looking at.

Yeah, no, I, I remember seeing it in real, the real, real, all right, let’s, let’s look it up. I don’t know how you become less black, I mean, I could, I mean, look at Michael Jackson, how he, he became far less black, you kidding me, you’ve seen him when he was ABC, like, he’s like 700 Shades lighter than he was, that’s pretty black, that’s, like, that is, a, and then, and, okay, so that was, like, probably a while ago, yeah, that was a while ago, but then look at the, pre, like, the, like, Jimmy Fox, like, right now, current, W, he looks normal on that picture.

Yeah, maybe he’s back to, maybe he’s back, I, I, oh, here it is, here it is, here, I think, I think it just kind of looks sick, you, yeah, maybe, maybe he’s, maybe the lighting, that’s the thing, I think he just kind of looks, just, got pale, skinny, okay, you know, kind of, no sun, I believe it, yeah, zero Sun, you know, zero color, zero, and I don’t mean that in a, no, I know, no, know, like, you know, I get color, and you know, when I look healthy, and I, when I don’t, dude, my, my brother-in-law, my brother-in-law is white and he’s darker than me, and I’m mixed, it’s like, so I, I’m, I, I have no room to talk, red, oh, he gets red, he gets color, color, he’s like a lobster.

Okay, what’s the last story, last story, is, sorry, what’s the last, what’s the last story, The Last Story in this is Kanye West. What, he’s, he looks different, he has a theory, there’s, he’s got weird jaw thing going, there’s a theory when he just kind of went on the other, he just, after, start going, he started going, actually before that, start going wild, like, oh, jeice, but, like, like, the Clones, like, losing it, but the claim is that he’s just a different person overall, but not physically. Since when, like, you talking about a little while before the, or while he was with Kardashian girl, and then afterwards he went off the [bleep] deep end, bro.

Yeah, he went off the deep end, he lost the Adidas contract and all that [bleep], but he, like, but, like, walk up on stage, and I wasn’t, that probably, the, that was Prior, that was when he went up with Taylor Swift, that’s, like, the beginning, the, but when, when, with Yeezy, worse, he was, I think, I don’t, I don’t think it was that, I think he, he was so good, and he was, like, so, like, such a savant, like, you know, like most people who are savants, like, most people who are really, like, unbelievably good at their craft, are, like, typically little, little psycho, like, all the, like, you know, what is Van go cut his [bleep] ear off, like, they’re all kind of like weirdos, like, a little bit, they’re a little weird, so I think he’s just, like, super eccentric, and super, he, and I feel like he does look very different, he looks super different, but I also feel, I feel like he was probably getting, especially when you’re at the Pinnacle of any, of anything, not even just music, any, any kind of thing, there’s a lot, there’s probably a lot of pressure and a lot of people trying to dictate what you do, yeah, and I feel like he’s, he probably got to the point where he was like, I’m not, validating his, like, weird, like, Jew hate thing, I don’t know where that’s coming from, yeah, but, like, if you don’t, if you don’t know what that part of the story is, he started coming out and saying that that the music, music industry in Hollywood was run by the, by Jewish people, and that, but he run all money, [bleep] them, and then, like, and he’s like, the Nazis weren’t that bad, and, like, like, like, yeah, okay, like, yeah, the Jews may run that industry, but the Nazis sucked.

Right around the time that he lost the Adidas contract, right, that’s, yeah, that’s when he lost, there go, right when he lost it, yeah, so, and he also famously has been saying, over and over, that if he disappears it’s not him coming back, and it’s somebody else. Oh, but he never disappeared, that’s a great point, he never disappeared, now you say that, iy, yeah, he did not disa, he’s also aired out messages sent to him from his team, specifically, a text from his former personal trainer that described cooperating, or, or being sent back to an institution, oh, that’s right, he was institutionalized against his will, and, I quote, says, and I quote, it says, “where they medicate the crap out of you, and you go back to Zombie Land for ever, play dates with the kids just won’t be the same.” So, drop, after dropping off the grid for a month, Kanye came back taller, apparently missing tattoos, facial features different, and shopping at Balenciaga, the store he vly spoke against because of their BDSM child ads in 2022, so it left conspiracy theorists going, I mean, that’s probably, that’s probably the most real, this one’s probably the most real one, they’re like, we got to get him out of here, get this man Off the Grid.

Is he, is he a billionaire, he was, yeah, he might still be, I mean, he might still be, I mean, his, his contract with Yeezys were, was, was, like3 billion, damn, yeah, it was so much, but then, like, I think, I think he’s, I think he lost a billion in a day, I remember that, still be a billion in a day, what are you talking about, he’s worth 400 million now, 4, he dropped from two billion after the, like, when they canceled his contract, I, oh, he lost all the, yeah, yeah, okay, but he’s still worth 400 million, so it’s like, he’s not really, like, hurting that bad, you know, still crushing it.

So cloning is a very real, good, dope song, I sent that one to you, yeah, you did, really, and I also love that he did that, like, literally, I will always love Yeezy just for that Super Bowl ad, 30 seconds, like, him on his phone in the car driving, he’s like, yeah man, pay for this ad, 6 million, yeah, know, whatever, like, you know, buy, buy, go to this website, and then, but they sold, they sold, like, $19 million of [bleep] in one day, really, he, like, and he’s like l, i told you, like, paid off, like, they literally sold $19 million wor the product in one [bleep] day, wow, it was insane, but it’s hilarious, I imagine, like, that, that marketing mini is, like, I’m just going to do it from the car, like, while I’m driving, 6 Milli, like, just, like, just literally on my [bleep] iPhone, P only ye, and it’s like dark and the lighting sucks and you can barely see him, yeah, but, go to this website, go to this website, trust me.

So cloning is very real, uh, it’s happening all the time, from medical to, you know, animals, Etc, but the question is, are there alterior motives behind the cloning process, and are we already walking amongst some sort of cloning, or is that way far off? There’s the biggest hole, there’s one massive hole that no one’s talking about, how do they, how do you age a clone to be the right age? I was going to ask that too. Yeezy’s, what, 40, so you’re going to clone him, and you’re like, R, and you rapidly, you you clone, and you make a clone 40 years old, how the [bleep] do you do that?

You would had to start, you would had to start when he was a baby. Exactly, that’s what I’m saying, there’s, like, there is no way, how do you, how do you a age some, how do you age a clone, yes, CU, based on what we’ve learned, they, they, they do it at embryo stage, the only way, like, they take you right now, and they just, they haven’t figured out, an old, take your DNA, yeah, like, I, like, what I’m saying, that’s the biggest hole, hey, you know what, yeah, solid, solid, solid data, you’re on his side. I, I mean, that was, I mean, it’s the most, that makesense, it’s the biggest hole, is like, how do you age a clone to be the exact age, or at least apparent the exact age of that person, especially with the Paul McCartney thing, like, that was, like, [bleep], I mean, come on, that was, like, 30 years ago, like, when they, like, when this whole thing went down, if Paul McCartney, it, it, it would have been a lookalike, it had to be a lookalike, I totally believe it was a lookalike.

Yeah, so do you believe that, like, presidents and [bleep] have a look alike [bleep]? 100% guaranteed. Yeah, even, even especially with, stupid president, like, GD duub, I mean, I can [bleep] stand it for GDB. Hey, even on the low end of the scale, like, a, like, a stunt double. Oh, for sure, where it looks just like, I’m wearing the same time, car, W, moving nowadays you don’t even have to worry about that, like, sonable of the CGI, you can just put anybody’s face on. AI, such a good point, though, there’s no evidence, private press conference, like, hey, there’s no evidence that shows that the science is far enough along.

I don’t know, but yeah, it’s, it’s strange, because there’s just, you’re right, there’s no evidence that says that it’s far enough along to do that, right? Yeah, because it just means, like, you You’ be able to, oh [bleep], we got to clone this person now, and then, like, in 2 weeks you’re able to, like, [bleep] make a 40-year-old clone and be like, you speak English and you’re like a normal person. Wait, wait, even if you had the foresight to go, okay, Jorge is going to be the [bleep], yeah, you could not have the fores, be like, clone, wh, do it now, yeah, but then, like, he, it turns out, like, he just didn’t make, but here, here’s the question, but also, how do you make them, like, even if you do that, how do you, like, train that person to be like a regular human being, hey, just, like, eat food and, like, poop on the toilets, and, like, how do, how do you get them to do that, like, okay, unless, hold on, unless you do it in one of those big massive royal families, that makes more sense, that make, what do you mean, well, like, say you’re a Ross child, MH, and as you’re born, they just, like, make, like, six copies of you, like, instantly.

Yeah, or you’re a bush, that would, maybe not a bush, they didn’t know, they didn’t, they don’t care, thees don’t give a [bleep], what, what are the big families, like, what are the big families, you know what I mean, vandt, the Vanderbilts, the Morgans, the [bleep], the Soros, yeah, they’re billionaires, bro, like, I mean, you know, you know, yeah, I do know, I guess, that would be the only, that would make sense, when they would do it like that’s a long game, that’s, like, super long game, that’s a long game. So, so it’s free, okay, and would you clone yourself? [bleep], 0% chance, 0%, okay, I have no interest, I just don’t have the body for it, to humanity, like, a GRE God, he would totally himself, I mean, you know, I mean, maybe, dick says, he’s like, can I just, like, put on the dick only, no, but I mean, I don’t think so, yeah, I don’t think so, yeah.

Interesting, I mean, unless something major happens, no, I just don’t, I’m just saying right now, oh, as of now, no, right now, come to you, and I’m like, Eric, you can do this, if we were, if we were, like, hella Rich, hell yeah, no, it’s free, it’s free, I’m saying, like, even free, I would never clone myself, no, 0%, okay. But now here, here, out, I’m going to take his because further, I know that it wouldn’t be me, okay. Here, hear us out, even if, you know, it wouldn’t be you, though, I wouldn’t do it, you still wouldn’t do it, no, okay, and then, okay, so say a year, two years from now, Spotify buys the podcast, okay, for $200 million, oh my God, now would you clone yourself?

[bleep] no, cuz I, no, cuz what do you mean, that’s so different, I’d give all, it’s not, what do you mean, I just took away the money option, or the money scenario, no, but even in that, unless, unless you’re saying, like, you want to go off on vacation and have your, like, clone, so Eric’s clones, fck a [bleep] other [bleep], yeah, and he goes back, tell me what you did, tell me about, was it good, you just live by, car, your, actually, you know what I watched the other day was, um, uh, uh, the Christian Bale movie where they’re magicians, oh my God, The Illusionist, dude, unbelievable, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, so if you haven’t seen The Illusionist, don’t watch this, or don’t listen to this, don’t watch this, but, yes, like, literally, and, like, he just, constantly killing his, killing his clones, and that’s how he survives the whole time, but then also, the, the Christian bal’s character has a brother, twin, a twin brother, yeah, who has to live his life, I know, it’s so [bleep] weird, yeah, and with his wife, I know, all those things you’re talking about, huh, yeah, no, but I would never, I would never clone, like, even if I was, like, a billionaire, there was, like, to me, the, what I believe, there’s no point, like, I, why would I want this thing that’s not me to persist through life, that, that’s not me, yeah, it’s not me, you know what I think, how about, how about, how about, you can’t have any more children, 100%, like, you can’t, and so clone, you, yeah, is Eric junor, yes, looks, it looks exactly like, it’s going to look exactly like you, no, it’s, it’s a clone, CL, it’s a clone, yeah, again, I go back to the, you know, [bleep] that clone, why should that clone get all my [bleep], you know, you know, you know.

I did, I did realize something though, um, if you don’t believe in the spirit then this is very difficult, this is very easy, right, if you do believe in the spirit, then, then it’s very difficult, that’s my thing, is because, like, it’s not you, because obviously I believe, yeah, but I’m not talking about cloning you, I’m just saying your body, like, cuz we we already kind of Lish, that, like, it would probably not, it wouldn’t be you, it wouldn’t have your skills, it wouldn’t have your thinking, I know, I was, like, super handsome back in the day, May, that’d be so weird, like, you have a baby that, and it’s, it starts growing up, and it looks just like you, I mean, I would, that’d be weird, I don’t know, it’s too weird, it’s too awkward, I know, I go, like, to dinner, and they’re like, hey, does your, you want, okay, like, like, what the [bleep] is happenening, I know, we, a lot of, like, last thing on this, now let’s say you’re one of the rich evil people, you know, the real, the real ones, they would totally do it, not the 1 billion, 1.01 billions, but the real ones where they’re just world domination, you Market Market controllers, let’s put chips in everybody and scan [bleep], I’m going to buy all the Farmland on Earth.

We’ve seen a lot in stories, Etc, about how do you Pro prolong life, mhm, oh yeah, I mean, that’s why I brought out the Disney thing, yeah, this does fit into, oh dude, 100%, prolonging of Life, how much you want to bet that, like, [bleep] Bill Gates is, like, Bill Gates is funding this, guarantee you, know, he’s preserved, he’s, he’s already paid the 15, yeah, he’s preserved his jeans, oh, guaranteed, he’s probably, like, pres, like, preserved it, for, put in a goddamn, like, nuclear bomb shelter, like, bring me back, but that doesn’t, that make you feel like he doesn’t believe in spirit, 100%, yeah, because then why would you do that, no, but I feel like a lot, along your point, a lot of those PE, I’m, I’m totally generalizing this, so, like, this is not, like, fact or anything, I, my own perception is that some of those people who get to that level, and they only care about control, the only thing they give a [bleep] about is control, theyve, they have lost this, that, that spiritualistic side, and it’s only about just how do I keep going, maintain, it’s just, like, me it’s only about me, and they’re so, there, they get so [bleep] narcissistic, that it’s like, 100% %, I’m cloning myself, I look what I did, I [bleep] amass this, oh, oh, I created this cool thing, I’m so awesome, [bleep], keep me going, the world needs me cuz I’m superior to the world, Zuckerberg type people.

Oh, for sure, I feel like Zuckerberg’s are, I feel like Zuckerberg is a clone of himself already, like, he’s already cloned, that’s true, yeah, all right, I mean, uh, there’s not really a, I mean, it’s happening, yeah, true. Now the last thing I will say though, is, is the the science of progressing healthc care, kind of, beh, it, I’m super behind it, so, you, so you would clone your lung, your kidney, your, I wouldn’t clone my brain, I mean, I would, if I, if I, if I needed replacement, really, if I needed a replacement brain, for sure, can you imagine going, seeing, seeing Shawn after he replaced his brain, we got, hey, [Laughter] hey, but you want to just, like, like, cook up some wings and then we go, like, barbecue, and he’s like, drooling, I know, I feel like that’s what it is, but I feel like the, the, I feel like it’s going to advance, uh, yeah, the medical, the, the therapeutic way, leg, stem cells are legit, fully, fully on board with that [bleep], but it’s, yeah, maybe we, maybe we stop at creating a whole new life, well, maybe we stop at, like, trying to play God, like, literally, it’s like, man is like, how do we play God, organs is also playing God, o yeah, I know, he was going to do this, I mean, or, yeah, but it’s not like, well, organs, organs is not, stop, no, but organs is not, next thing, though, is he’s going to say, you should have died, trying to create life is playing God, trying to create life, like, trying to perpetuate life, is not, because you’re still going to die, you’re just trying to keep it going, is to keep surviving, yeah, it’s like, but trying to create new life out of something that there wasn’t life, that’s the god part, yeah, because, like, technically that’s the only thing that we can’t do, besides, like, having kids, like, you have a kid, and that’s our way of, like, perpetuating the line, but, and he’s very much pointing to his crotch the whole time, kids, kids, kids, thrusting.

Okay, so, and then, last thing, just to clarify on the people, the stories of cloning, we already know Dolly was a clone, right, Dolly the sheep was successfully cloned. AAL LaVine, yes or no? I’m going to go with no. Yeah, I’m going to go with a no on that, I’m gonna go with no on that. Paul McCartney, I’m gonna go with a no, I don’t even know that, I don’t even think there was a look Alik, nothing, okay, he’s [bleep] alive, he lived. Jamie Fox, no, no, he’s dead, like, no, no, he, he lived, yeah, that’s no, I’m saying, like, he wasn’t there, it was no lookalike, he lived, he’s still living today, yeah, yeah.

Me Fox, uh, definitely no, I’m going to go, he was just the sick, he does look very SI, he looks differently, but it’s gone, I think he’s sickly, yeah, cuz he even did, like, some of his little funny, like, [bleep], yeah, and I was like. Kanye West, I think Kanye West is a maybe, it’s a for, K is totally, I’m, I’m on, I’m on the fence about, you easy, nobody could be as crazy as him, like, I feel like that’s his uniqueness, exactly, exactly, it’s like, no, cuz of his skills, Kanye, no, cuz of his crazy [bleep], cuz he’s like, his crazy has persisted through throughout the process, his crazy hasn’t changed, he’s like, just as crazy, yeah, I think they just went through some, something traumatic, oh, for sure, yeah, you know what I mean, yeah, all right, there you go, there, cloning technology, guys, uh, there you go.

Uh, big thank you, shout out to, to Capri, appreciate you, you were the best, thank you so much, and, and, uh, I do want to take a moment to thank all of our new patreons. Yes, I was just, I was, shout out, so, uh, just we’re going to go through these now, just so you know, uh, patreon keeps the podcast alive. Yes, mhm, truly. Yes, so thank you, so thank you, guys, um, there are three status levels that you can do, the top one is rich person, which is $25 a month, the middle one is $5 a month, uh, and the the lowest one is $2 a month, super easy, it’s less than a coffee, and it’s, there’s only, we, I still think, put a li, think I still think we made too many spots, for, there’s only a thousand spots available, which I still think it’s too many, but that’s fine, anyway.

So literally, let’s cut it off, so literally, in the last, in the last week or so, here are the guys that have joined our patreon, and I really wanted to thank you, so, CC, oh, CC, thank you so much, Super Active in the Discord, love you, C, not only that, VIP status, rich person, stat, rich person status, she’s [bleep], we see you, and she’s a really cool person, so I like her, uh, Christine, thank you so much, Andrew, you also achieved rich person status, thank you so much, bu guy, my guy, DJ, hit, what’s up buddy, thank you so much for rich person status, we really appreciate you.

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You, I want to let, like, in case they didn’t know, I want to let those Rich guys know, again, you get to pick your own episode, that’s right, so please, those three new Rich guys, pick your own episode, and we will do it, as long as it’s not ridiculous, we have a whole, like, list of already, have list, and we’ve done, we’ve done, we’ve done a almost, we’ve done most of them, yeah, um, well, now that we’ve got new ones, new, the ones requested, yeah, yeah, no, so we do the request one, and we need four to six weeks to, yeah, yeah, like, a lead time, but I’m saying, like, make sure you tell us, we will get to it eventually, DM, DM Us, in, uh, you can either hit us up in the rich guy chat, or you can DM us on Discord, either me, Eric, Mir, let’s be real, let’s be real, it’ll be like an 8 to 12 weekly time, let me, Eric know, we’re usually pretty active in the chat when we can, um, but yeah, we love you guys, and, uh, you know, as always, night night.

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