Tupac Shakur Part 2: The Unsolved Murder of a Rap Legend – Episode #23
Tupac Shakur Part 2: The Unsolved Murder of a Rap Legend
This episode was recorded in April 2023, when the killing of Tupac Shakur was still officially unsolved and no one had ever been charged. That changed in September 2023, when a Las Vegas grand jury indicted Duane “Keffe D” Davis, the first person ever charged in the case. Davis has pleaded not guilty. After several postponements his trial began in Las Vegas on August 10, 2026, and no verdict has been reached. The discussion below predates all of it.
Part two picks up where the shooting left off. Tupac Shakur was shot four times on the Las Vegas Strip in September 1996 and died in hospital days later. What followed was not an investigation that closed, but one that never did. The guys walk through the aftermath and then work through the suspects one at a time, arguing with each other the whole way.
The fallout came fast. Violence escalated between rival sets, and rumors circulated of bounties being paid. In March 1997, in what became his final interview, The Notorious B.I.G. was asked directly whether he had anything to do with Tupac’s death and denied it, saying he did not have the power to do something like that. Roughly six months after Tupac was killed, Biggie was shot dead in a strikingly similar drive-by. Two of the biggest artists on the planet were gone inside half a year, and the hosts note how permanently the two deaths have been welded together ever since.
From there the episode becomes a suspect board. There is the money angle: reporting cited in the episode says Tupac had roughly one hundred thousand dollars to his name when he died, which the guys find impossible to square with albums that sold in the millions. There is Suge Knight, who has said on record that he paid three million dollars to have Tupac cremated, and who has publicly floated the idea that Tupac may not be dead at all. The guys are blunt that they find this account hard to take seriously, and one host says outright that his own read is colored by how much he dislikes the man.
Then there is Orlando Anderson, who was beaten by Tupac and his entourage in a casino lobby hours before the shooting, an assault captured on camera. Anderson had the clearest motive on the board, and in a detail the guys keep circling back to, he later testified in Suge Knight’s defense. Anderson was never charged in Tupac’s death.
The most substantive thread belongs to Russell Poole, the decorated LAPD detective who investigated and who helped surface departmental misconduct in the 1990s. Poole documented that off-duty LAPD officers were working security for Death Row Records. An attorney who represented Biggie described Poole as accurate, solid and fact-driven, someone who worked without an agenda, while still not agreeing with all of his conclusions. Poole was pulled off the case.
The episode also handles a claim that has circulated for years, in which a man stated on camera that he had been offered money by a figure in the music industry to target Tupac and Suge Knight. The guys treat it with open skepticism, pointing out that confessions arriving after someone is already incarcerated are cheap and that famous unsolved cases attract false claimants by the dozen. Nobody had been charged or convicted at the time of recording, and that, more than any single theory, is what the hosts cannot get over.
- Tupac Shakur was shot four times on the Las Vegas Strip in September 1996 and died in hospital several days later.
- In a March 1997 interview, The Notorious B.I.G. was asked directly whether he was involved in Tupac’s death and denied it. He was shot and killed roughly six months after Tupac in a similar drive-by shooting.
- Reporting cited in the episode puts Tupac’s personal wealth at his death at around one hundred thousand dollars, despite album sales in the millions.
- Suge Knight has stated on record that he paid three million dollars to have Tupac cremated, and has publicly suggested that Tupac may not have died at all. The hosts treat both claims as implausible.
- Orlando Anderson was assaulted by Tupac and his entourage in a casino lobby hours before the shooting, in an incident captured on video. He later testified in Suge Knight’s defense and was never charged in Tupac’s death.
- LAPD detective Russell Poole, who investigated the case and helped expose departmental misconduct in the 1990s, documented that off-duty LAPD officers were working security for Death Row Records. He was later removed from the case.
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And probably some things that might offend you, but don’t listen to this. Can’t wait till you listen. Yeah, don’t. If you’re 18 up, don’t do it. If you’re 18 up. Yeah. Hey everybody, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. Go time. Yes, let’s do it. We’re back for part two. Part two. Part Deuce of Tupac. What was his name? Tupac. It’s part Tupac. That’s such a lame joke. Tupac. That’s like T or t. His name. Sean Brooks. Crooks. Sean Crooks. Like SE. Bishop Crooks, right? Sean Crooks. Bishop. I think it was Bishop, crook the middle name, something like that. That’s funny. Wasn’t that his name in, um, oh yeah, not Above the Rim?
Was it? Was it Bishop? Bishop. It Bishop. 100% it was Bishop. Yeah, it was Bishop. We have to do a little rewatch. Oh yeah, we do for sure. Do a little rewatch. Okay, so we left you guys off, uh, honestly, with him dying. Yeah, Tupac died. Yeah, that was, that was the moment when he died. And, um, what was his famous last words? [bleep] you. [bleep] you. [bleep] you. [bleep] you. Kappa. Yeah. But if you haven’t, if you haven’t listened to episode one, then, or part one, please listen to. Oh, was good. It was good. This literally just happened where my wife’s listening, and she listened, she tuned in on a, I think it was, might have been Chap atic, and she turned on the second one.
She was like, what’s happening? No idea. And she was like, your podcast is all over the place. I’m like, what? Uh, you’re on part two. Part two. So so listen to the part one first. Part one. Yeah, you’re going to go back to part one. Yep. So we left you off basically, Tupac died in the hospital a few days later, um, after being shot four times on the street. It’s four more times than I could survive. Yeah, exactly. So right after that happened in Compton, basically a war broke out between north and south, and it was Blood, Crips, and all these murders started happening. And funny, it was, it was like, oh, east west side.
Now it’s like just west side. But yeah, now become Blood, Crips kind of thing, you know. And uh, uh, there were rumors that, that it was even $10,000 for every Southside [bleep] killed. Yeah. Suge was a Blood, y. Oh yeah, hardcore. Yeah, y. Yep, yep. And I’m going to just put in these couple notes because, so Tupac died in ’96 and uh, and then in March of 97, Biggy did his final interview, and they asked him if he was involved with, did you kill Tupac? They asked him on interview. Give us the truth. You can go on, you can go on YouTube and check it out.
And and it’s an interview with him and he’s like, I had nothing to do with that. I didn’t have any power. I didn’t have power enough for that yet. He said yet, which is super super weird. Like, you’re talking about your old friend’s death. I couldn’t kill I was. But he says, I didn’t have the power to do that yet. That was word for word. That’s what he says. Well, he did blow up after that. I mean, he was like, then he he became the goat of the time. No, ACC he was never Bigg. If Tupac was gone, the next best one was Biggy at the time.
At the time. That’s what I just said. You guys are the ones that are talking about the goat of the time. The goat of. It’s the greatest of all time. Okay, but you guys are the ones that were talking about the the goat of the time. Anyways, definitely Biggy. Biggy took over. It’s got. It’s the got the goat of the time, the God. So, and then we’ll do it in another episode, but uh, Biggy basically six six months later, Biggie was killed. Yep. And he was killed in in a in a similar fashion, where he was in a car and somebody pulled up and just shot him.
Yeah, and he he actually died more instantly. I, he’s he’s a large target to hit. Yeah, well he was shot, he was shot like right in the, pretty much. Yeah, so basically the two biggest rappers on the planet died within six months of each other. And, u, shame. Yeah, they’re always tied together, right? They’re always tied together, so close. Yeah. If Bigy died like 10 years later, there would, like there would have been two different, yeah, things. Well, it’s because of that, and they were friends and they were the two best ones. Enemies. Frenemies. Yeah, yeah. There’s a lot of conspiracies about Tupac, and I mean, you got to start with Sh Knight.
Oh yeah, you start with Sh Knight. I mean, he in prison, he kind of took his career, you know. Uh, not a lot of people know this, but apparently Tupac, when he died, he had $100,000 to his name. That seems weird. Wow. Number one records. Probably because that was probably, probably deal with Knight was probably like, I’ll get you out of prison but I’ll take in everything. So1 $1,000 is not a lot of money. It’s like Z for some number one at anything on the plan. Sure, it was a lot more back then, but but still, still, still to be somebody like him of his, you don’t even have like1 million, right?
Yeah, yeah. And to have albums selling millions, I mean, he sold multiple albums, he sold, I think he sold a million albums, million in a month. That’s ridiculous. Of probably the all, then the Mcav Val one came out and that [bleep] was on fire too. So Sug Knight said something strange at the end. He said that he paid $3 million for Tupac to be cremated. What? What did it get cremated in, the sun? This, honestly, this is recorded, you could go look at, and you can listen to Suite saying this. He’s so full of [bleep]. I feel like Sugite is [bleep] full of [bleep], dude.
I could get, I could get a [bleep], I could get a city created for $3 million. Like, I will create you for 20. I will literally put you on my bonfire for free. Create the [bleep] out of here. I will, you give me a 50 spot, I’m doing it for you, don’t worry, tell. I will. Um, but yeah, anyways, so he said, he said the following. I’m going to quote, I’m gonna quote this guy, I mil. He says, when Pac died, I mean, if he really did, you know, that said, if he did, I mean, when I left that hospital, me and Pac was laughing and joking, so I don’t see how somebody can turn from doing well to doing bad.
I’m going to tell you that with Pac you never know. But then he said he paid $3 million to get him cremated. So Knight then explained his theory why cops never found the murderer, because there was no murderer, he says. And I quote, maybe the question is, Pac’s not really dead. Pox somewhere else, Su Knight says, when asked if he ever saw Tupac’s body following the shooting. He had, nobody’s seen Tupac dead. The person who supposedly cremated Tupac, this guy got about $3 million personally for me, cash, and the next thing I know, I never heard from the guy or seen him again. He retired and left.
Su Knight, n. Come on. Okay, up. This is not, this is not. No, I know. But what’s crazy about this, this is not from a reporter, a third-party person writing it down. I listened to these words, I listen to Sh Knight say this. It’s just so funny, cuz I caness see, like the creator guys, he’s like, he 3 million, he’s all right, I give it to you in cash. Yes. So the dude, I need 3 million cash to create. Do you know, this is, this is just in our state, but but it says the average cost of cremation in our state is is 2200 bucks.
Okay, and this is like good deal, and this is, this is plus inflation, deal me, I’ll cut that in half for you. So you’re saying Sh, give me 100 x and then I’ll do it. Sh, Shik Kn could have created a thousand people for the price that he actually. No, plus inflation, like 50,000. Insane statement. So the dude who is in the car with him is saying that he paid somebody 3 million in cash to cremate him, and he never saw the body, and he disappeared, like vanished, and he paid him up front too. I don’t buy one [bleep] word this guy. No. So okay, I’m [bleep] trust him.
Let’s keep talking about Suite. Okay. Okay, so you remember Orlando Anderson? Yeah, the guy that got beat up, they beat up. Yes. Okay, so was on. You remember the three strikes thing? Well, leg, the legally, so if you get three strikes you’re [bleep], you’re in life. Is that what is? Yeah, you’re in for life. Yeah. Okay. Right after that, soon after, Du was then basically put in jail because he broke his probationary period because he got in the fight that was caught on film. Orlando, like the kick kick kick. Yeah. But here’s the weird part. Orlando Anderson testified in his defense. Oh, cuz he’s [bleep] scared of him.
You heard the story? You heard the stor. St kill you for looking at him wrong. Yes. And he says, in quote, and this is, this testimony, he says, Suge was the only one I heard saying stop this [bleep]. Su was still convicted cuz he was on video kicking Arando Anderson. He like in between his kicks he was saying, stu it. Was in my head. What the [bleep] was that? He literally, the guy that they went and beat up is now testifying weeks later. Yeah, it’s cremation services. He was paying him, he was paying, cr he was the cre. That part is, that part’s weird. No, but it’s very wellN that he was, he’s just [bleep] fory.
Oh no, he was like a [bleep] Terri. Kn was just, dude, kill you, like you know, cartel style. Like everybody, everybody is still scared of him supposedly. That’s what I hear, I don’t know. I mean, the streets. That’s the word on the streets. From the streets. Made it all the way down. But that’s, so that’s, that’s essentially the, it is, man. He was like, I’m not gonna snitch. Here’s the conspiracy, okay, of Suge, is that he knew that Tupac was going to leave Death Row. Oh, and he was a golden goose. And so he’s like, I’d rather have you dead. And yes, she just like, art, artists always get bigger after they die.
That’s right. So he had the contract of multiple albums, right? Mhm. And then he he finished the multiple albums. You know what the part that does not make sense ever? Because I, I remember this, you know, when, cuz that was flying around right after this, all this happened in 96 or whatever, right? Yeah. Why was he in the car then? I, there’s the point, there’s. Would not, you would not do a hit and be like, all right, kill Jorge, uh, so come into the podcast, not to hit me, just do the, yeah, do the machine gun thing, spray us, but don’t get me. Yes, like how idiotic is that plan?
No, the thing is like, I would, it’s not the the least believable thing, because I can see from that perspective, a Shite is not, you know, he’s not [bleep] Steven Hawking, like master [bleep], know, he’s not some evil scientist. Mhm. But also what a, what a way to make Tupac be completely comfortable and go against all of his, all of his little protocols that he put in place, you know. He’s with Sug Knight, they’re going to Sug Knight’s club, right? You know, he’s with him directly. No one [bleep] with Su Knight. It makes him feel super com. I don’t need a bulletproof vest, I don’t need my girlfriend, I don’t need, I don’t need my driver, I, I don’t anything, a long.
How about this, how about this. What if Sugite had planned it because Tupac was supposed to be in the other car with his security guard or whatever, right? And he changed last minute, he’s like, he’s a my car. I’m like contradicting myself right now, but but I just thought about this. Make believe. Holy [bleep], dude, that’s a good point. [bleep] Eagle Scout [bleep] right there, dude. That was good. That’s interesting. No, what, what if he, you know, so obviously he would have planned this, you know, ahead of time, like that one, he’s not going to be in this car, he’s going to be in the car behind me.
That’s a legit one. I actually like that one a lot. That’s one of the best ones we’ve ever come up with. Yeah, honestly, we don’t solve any of these, we, we, we’ve yet to solve one. This is not the murder solving conspiracy. But lay that out, lay that out, lay that out. So for us people who are not totally listening, us lay people. Just saying, like what if Sh Knight planned it out in advance? He conspired, he planned it out. He’s like, okay, I’m going to take this guy out, right? And he knew that he wasn’t going to be in his car, he knew that he was going to be in with his security guard most likely, right?
Like obviously there’s always a chance, but right, that, that’s the plan. But then last minute Tup P’s like, nah, I’m all good, I’m going to, I’m going to ride with Ch. And then he, he didn’t have time. Chaos, like the chaos of, exactly. It’s like everybody’s walking out of the the hotel room at that time, he’s like, oh no no, I’m not going to go with you, I’m going to go with Suge, right? You know, and then Sh Knight didn’t have any time. We should email the LAPD on this one. It actually, even the fact that he didn’t have the, he didn’t have the plates on his car, right?
So that way it’s like, if they get shot he can just get away, they’re not going to tie him to the the scene. Exactly. Do, like the idea that there is a little bit of chaos and accidental things that happen. Yeah, he get the like, [bleep] just doesn’t go right, and you knowe, when you’re planning, especially when you’re planning murder. Wow, man, I like that. And Suge was known for being [bleep]. No, Suge was known for being ruthless, like he’s going to [bleep] kill you, and it doesn’t matter that it was Tupac. So that’s why that is a possibility. I think I’m going to tweet tomorrow, I’m putting that, solved Tupac’s murder.
I, I might, I might tweet it right now, bu an eag. I think I might tweet it right now. It’s crazy. Wow. Okay. All right, I like it. That’s really good. All right, we’re going to put that in a pin because there’s a couple others to go over, right? Yeah, but I like that one a lot. So the other one that’s crazy, this one’s a little bit wild, which is Tupac’s, he faked his death and he’s living in Cuba. Yeah, yeah, I know that one. I, I believed it for a while cuz, you did? You. I did, when saw, when I was young, dude, I saw the photos.
I like, what the [bleep], who is this guy? Looks just like, he living with Bob Marley down there. Yeah, I know. Well, here’s like, here’s the the in-depth theory, right? Part of this crazy story of Cuba is that he, he had an aunt who was a fugitive who lives in Cuba. His whole [bleep] is just, yeah. So he has his, an aunt that lives in Cuba, and then there’s photos that, that emerged in the early 2000s, and it looks like, it looks like hims, like him, yeah. Also he, he, he created the Macelli, exactly, album. And Miei, if you wanted to go over that, but like Mackiei, what was it, an Italian?
Yep, he was an Italian. Mavelli is the name of an Italian war strategist, Nio Mavelli, who pretended to fake his death. And when you rearrange the letters, check this out, Mav Val turns into M alive K. Who’s K? No, like if you rearrange the letters. But I mean, what would cave? It’s like K, not, not cave. Alive K. K. Yeah, K. Yeah. Question. You’re acknowledging me like I’m Al. Okay. And if you raise the letters, it is I Am Lord Bart. Okay. And then check this out. Inside the album, the Mavelli album, it reads, exit Tupac, enter Mavelli. Okay, yeah. Oh, exit T. Just, I just have a hard time believing that he had this master plan, this with my 100 in my, my name.
So then why did he go, why did he come out with the album named Melli? I think he was a little bit obsessed with, with getting shot and murder and gangster life, and and, you know what I mean, like that, he talks about, I mean, you know, in his, in his raps and then in his interviews too, he just talks about that. He kind of knew he was going to die young, or he felt that he was going to die young, right? Cuz he’s living the [bleep] fast life, he’s living the fast. Sean, me the photo of the Cuban Tupac. Just because you put up.
No, here’s the thing, here’s the thing, just because you put a bandana backwards. Yes, that’s the Tupac look. Right, that’s the Tupac look. The Tupac for sure. Here’s, here’s. Yeah, no, that’s definitely not, definitely not him. Look at the nose is different. The nose is totally different, bro. Oh my gosh, totally different. Anyways, I just, I have a hard time believing that, you know, with with his 100K to his name, he’s, yeah, I’m, I’m retire in Cuba, I’m hell rich. He’s like, this 100K is like a billion, and cu. That’s true. That’s true. Meanwhile his mom and and Suge get all the rest. Yeah, the rest.
Why would he, why, why at that point? There’s no point. The guy was like on [bleep] top of the world at that point, right? But the idea is that he was done, may deal, any, maybe that’s how he gets out of the life. He was not the kind of guy that he’s like, I want to get out of this life. Know what kind of guy he was? Look, look at him, listen to his [bleep]. Like he, that’s not him. He’s not going to [bleep] run and hide forever and never come back out. We have a live action interview from uh, Jorge, Tupac’s high school friend, Jorge from Baltimore high school.
That’s not who he was, I know him, I know, Tupac’s my homie. No, I understand though, he didn’t see, he doesn’t seem like the type of dude. No, he was a [bleep] outspoken, from the guy who had a cigarette after getting shot. I mean, God, I’d be crying, weeping [bleep]. Famous last words, [bleep] you, [bleep] you. I know, I do like that, that’s so savage. Yeah, I would not do that. I’d be like, this is who shot me, this is address, I know I’m snitching, everybody go get him, I know. Please make sure I don’t die, okay. Anyways, why would he also choose Cuba? Why not like the answer?
Yeah, got fre, like no rent, I guess. Rent free, he’s cool. Of all the third world countries, you pi that. Like the next theory. So you guys think that one’s [bleep]? Yeah, yeah’s done. I do, yeah. Wait, wa, wa, wait wait, I’m gonna, I’m gonna ask you straight up, do you think T Box’s live right now? [bleep] no. Hell no, he is dead as a [bleep] door, 100%. Even Obama made a joke about it, that he might be alive. Yeah, was like, Tac, I saw them on Mste Island. Oh, oh, another episode. Okay. So the next one, so the next one is probably the most logical, I hate to say it.
He’s dead. Uh, yeah, no, it’s that, it’s, it’s that Orlando Anderson organized it with his crew. That’s what they think, that’s, that’s the most fast. Right after he got [bleep] ass beat, he’s like, he goes gets his homies, and yeah, I mean, it’s two hours later. That’s right after the fight, that he goes back to his room and so. Okay, I forgot about, defend me. Yeah, I mean, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of witnesses, there’s a lot of things on that, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, we don’t have to go. Into the whole every single person and witness and la la la la la.
But Orlando Anderson seems to be the one with motive. It is. He seems to have the crew, the resources, you know I mean, the Blood, Crips, all the things seem to kind of point to Orlando Anderson. No, I think it is the most boring. I think it is boring as [bleep], and it’s not sexy, it’s super lame. It is the most logical though. Yeah. Um, I mean, just, just because, I’m just going to disagree with it just because it’s too logical. It’s too, it’s too easy. Too easy. The truth. Conspiracy. So here’s, that’s why I’m doing this podcast. No, no, so here’s an offshoot of it, right, is that Orlando Anderson did it with Suge.
I, I was just say, like Orlando Anderson hired by Suge Knight. So we’re back to Suge. Well, because it’s then, then testifies, so maybe Su. Oh true. No, but I already told you why. No, maybe, maybe Su did that. Orlando Anderson, they all, maybe Sh. That’s, remember because Sh Knight, part of Sh’s conspiracy, Sh Knight was the one who, who called out that Atena Anderson was there, right, in the hotel when they beat the [bleep] out of him, and that obviously Tupac, Tupac was the one who got him. He was like, hey look, it’s Orlando Anderson, he’s right over there, beat his ass, you know.
They don’t sound like that, but you know. Right. So I think, I think that that one, that one vibes a little bit more with me. Both of those. Oh yeah, I like, I like the Orlando Anderson Sh combo. So it actually makes kind of sense. If you, if you believe the Suge one, then this kind of ties into it, makes it more, makes it even more, right. I totally believe. Interesting. It’s really easy to believe a piece of [bleep] does shitty things. So there’s a couple, there’s a couple that keep floating around but they have been debunked, but so I thought I’d bring them up.
Who debunk them? Well, like there’s one that’s the FBI, the FBI killed Tupac because, because they’re trying to simmer down the the gang, the the gangster rap violence, likeing Bigg. Then they killed Biggie too, and then all of a sudden now it’s like, it’s like Puff Daddy going, every step you take. That’s, that’s actually a hilarious theory, which actually might be tre. The CIA is like, we got to cut this [bleep]. Yeah, they’re like, we’re going to pay them big money, just go R&B, go back to, how do we get a black rapper to sing? Sting. I got, look, they’re already, they’re already, look what they did to Drake.
They’re like, how do we get a black PR to sing? Beyonce. But there’s, there’s actually no evidence, there’s nothing tangible. I don’t hear, I did hear about another one similar to that, which is the CIA wanted to kill him off because he was basically getting too powerful and he was getting ready to like kind of start a revolution. Um, I don’t believe that at all. A revolution of what? That, I’m sorry bro, just saying that’s what I heard. No, I just, no, it was like a revolution of the, mostly the black people against the police. Um, okay, know I can see that. They’re like, take them out.
Why didn’t they kill [bleep] Ice Cube? They have a song, [bleep] the Police, for like multiple minutes, it’s just [bleep] the. Who do you think is more powerful, Tupac or Ice Cube? Tupac. Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Tupac. If you go back, too powerful. H, if you go back and listen to his interviews, they do interviews with other rappers and they’re all stupid, and they sound stupid as [bleep], and then you get Tupac on, it’s like passionate and articulate, and you know what I mean, it’s bam bam bam bam, and like Tupac going going going. And it was also because of his, his past with the Black Panther, his history, and what, and knowing that actually makes a lot more sense.
I mean, I understand it, I just, I just, I don’t believe that one either. I’m say, think he was. I just, I don’t, I just don’t see him as like a revolutionary. I mean, if you listen to his songs. His name was actually after a revolutionary, that’s right. Yeah, that, his mom named him when he was one. It’s not like, it’s not like he was, he, it’s not like M Ali who changed his own name from Cash’s Cl to that. I was named after [bleep] Nolla. Really? Oh, like a sex, that’s a sex novel. No sex, Noel, no, it’s like a, it’s a TV show.
No, I thought no was Meican. No, you never. But it’s, it’s like a sitcom, but it’s like, o, love, romance. Okay. I, it’s like Mexican porn. Mexican r, the big. All right, next one. Okay, the next one is actually the other one that might hold some water, okay, right, and that’s Puff Daddy did it. Oh yeah, for sure. I, I believe that. There are witnesses that say that. Now here’s, say Po Daddy did it, like I know. No, hear me out, hear me out. So there are witnesses that say that Puff Daddy said, I want you to kill Tupac. Who said that to who? There’s a guy named Cafe D, right, his name is Keith Davis, and he said that he was told by Puff Daddy that he would get a million dollars to wipe out Suge and Tupac, and that also Orlando is one of the shooters with him.
Did he get, he get like, did he get like 500k? He got 500k. Oh, he’s saying that he was paid. He say, he said that his crew was paid 500, okay, because they only did one. So he admitted it. Did he go to prison for admitting to this murder? He went in prison for something else. Oh, so he already, and then when he was in there he ad. That’s only thing I don’t like about that, is like, I feel like these guys, if you’re already in jail forever, like you want to have a little bit more street cred, it’s super easy for you to be like, I did, I killed you.
Yeah, and there was like a few of those, right? Like the few, few people that Cafe’s, are, are Hefe, Cafe, whatever. CFE D. CFE D is on record saying. You do. Yes. Okay, I mean, it’s, it’s a confession, you know what I mean? Like there is a recorded confession of him saying Orlando Anderson and him and another two people were paid to shoot Tupor. That’s after he’s inj, don’t mean [bleep]. See, that’s, this just brings me back to the, he just want, remember when we did, no no, remember when we did DB Cooper? How many days are [bleep] death? Thousands of people said they wanted to kill, they, yeah, they were DB Cooper, or they found DB Cer, they slept with DB Cer.
Everyone. And it’s always when they’re dying, can’t come at me later. What is the deal with all these people wanting, just claiming fake things? They want to be, they want the credit, the credibility that comes with it. Honestly, I be, he’s already in jail, like what’s, what’s he lit. Anyway, so that’s, that’s a big one, I mean, it’s, it’s totally possible, it’s just, I think it’s. And who is he, like, to Puff? He’s like, they’re just friends, like ganger, he’s a gangster. Yeah, I mean, I don’t want to say gangster, he’s not Italian gangster, he’s a, he’s a hood gangster. Was he East Coast? Yeah, East Coast.
Yeah, and I think that now it’s like, yeah, it’s like your gangster of your time, it’s like a thug. Yeah. And so he was saying he was at a party and he was with Puffy. Puffy, is it Puffy, Puff, Puff, or Sean? Sea. I like Sean Puff. I like Sean. So uh, okay, so this is, this is called the Russell Pool, the, um, and he was a detective with LAPD, uh, and and it’s actually a really decent theory. He investigated the murders. He was a decorated LAPD detective, and he helped unravel the misconduct in the LAPD in the 9s. Like [bleep], that’s right, right. And so he revealed that off-duty LAPD officers were handling security for Death Row.
O, weird. Oh, maybe these are the two bicycle cops who. There’s people, there’s people in the other cars. Oh yeah, there’s people other cars and that sort of thing. He thought they were all dirty cops who were doing security for Death Row. Who are dirty cops. Oh my God, okay. I was going to read you something cuz I, I just thought about it after he said that. So you know that he was shot with a Glock 22. Mhm. Yeah, by far the most popular police service pistol in the United States, the Glock 22. I just thought of it when, when you said that, and like, isn’t that interesting?
That is interesting, actually. By far, by far the most popular police service in the United States, the2. That’s, I didn’t know that. I didn’t know that either until you said it. I was like, wait, I think this might have some connection here. P was like kind of, he became obsessed with this case, and he just kept going and going, and he kept going and going for so long that he was removed from the case, and then he was removed as a detective, period. They’re like, you’re going, you’re on. He just kept going going. Yeah, no, he was, he’s not in the force, like he just got removed.
You just removed, fully removed. And I think it had a couple, it had to do with a couple things. One was he, his theory was that it was the LAPD were corrupt. Oh, and then like, got go. Yeah, it’s like your crew that you’re saying, you guys are corrupt, and then, well, you don’t have any evidence, and then you keep doing it for years and years and years. Out of here, leave, like why are you working for a place you don’t believe? Yeah, exactly. So that’s the idea, is the idea, his theory is that basically there’s two cops that were the head of security and they were, they basically were given the hit on Tupac, and they went and killed.
Tupac. So so the security guards did the hit, or they knew about it? They did, they did the hit, the off dirut police officers. But weren’t they in the cars with them? No, they weren’t in the, they weren’t in, there’s no record, there’s no witness, there’s no, you know what I mean? A lot of the witnesses to, there was one witness who said, hey, I can identify the shooter. He was killed a couple weeks later. Damn. That’s what I mean. So I actually think that one’s interesting thing, especially since he was shot with, I mean, if you just do statistically, it being the most in the entire United States, the most common service pistol.
It’s kind of interesting, kind of interesting little tidbit there. That is, that is. But he has, he has, he goes one step further, okay, and it’s that it was also Sug Knight was also the hit. Sh Knight, they wanted to kill Su Knight. Kill Suite too. So maybe, so so it was a collaboration with Suite’s wife and the police officer. Oh, they were like [bleep]. So then Su Knight’s wife would get everything. Oh, and then he’ get a pay. Probably also Sh had dirt on them if they’re dirty, right? Yeah, probably, probably. So they were like, oh I, I don’t, can’t trust. So uh, P said at one point, he said Su wasn’t divorced yet, and if he died in the hitch, she would have gotten everything, most everything.
So she went to, went to Wright Junor, who was in charge of Death Row and ran it while Su was, was in prison. Mh. Yeah, okay. Wright Junor has gotten away with it this whole time. So it was basically a collusion between the guy and the wife. Al, so cuz when Su got out, that guy was nobody again, and he’s, oh, want to keep running it, and she’s like, well, if I’m running it, you can run it and I’ll just get the money. Yeah, there you go. Who run it. Anyways, I mean, there’s a lot of weird, and I don’t even want to go into it because some of it I find to be stupid, where they go like, rap songs came out 5 years later and then they, they said, yeah, I killed you, and you’re all right.
Well, that’s not evidence, that’s [bleep], you know. I me, say whatever the [bleep] whatever you want. Yeah, I killed JFK, bro. Go go go, it doesn’t even matter. I am the magic bullet, I literally. Yeah, yeah, I’m in love with Cleopatra. What? Okay, cool. Eric buil the pyramids. Yeah, Eric was one of the employees, one of the first employees. So here’s, here the last, here’s the last thing on Pool, right, this is the detective Pool. The attorney that represented Biggie said the following about Pool, said, P’s a tremendously accurate detective. Of course he got yanked off the Biggie case, but the detective work that he did was really solid, intuitive, smart, and fact-driven.
Do I agree 100% with his conclusions? No. But he did really good work without an agenda. Everything else I’ve seen since then from other people in the case had an agenda or bad motives. Okay, so he’s basically just saying like, he worked really hard, he’s an actual good detective, he’s a detective good, you know what I mean, and it’s worth looking at, or worth considering. Yes, exactly. Yep. Okay. Well, I thought, I think that’s, I mean, I think it’s totally possible. Maybe it’s a triple threat, maybe it was, it was the police, Su and Orlando. Trifecta, a whole, to take Tupac out. Yeah, this whole thing out, the cops would cover it up, make sure didn’t get [bleep] pinched.
Orlando could be the guy. You can’t make sure that Suge is not going to get shot. No, didn’t get pinched, that’s going get. Yeah, yeah, but I’m saying, if you’re going to go after Tupac and the gu sitting right next to him, literally me and you right here, like that’s how close they are, it’s, it’s a [bleep] car shots. Well, he got shot, shot many more shots. It was at least six, at least, but there was a bunch of [bleep] shots. How are you going to make sure that you’re not going to hit? Maybe those are risky as we to take. I got to have him dead, he’s got to be gone, he either, even if I die.
It just makes it to me, like Suge seems like the kind of guy, he’s like, if you ain’t with me, you with nobody, and you [bleep], you ain’t, you ain’t making nobody no money except for me. He is like that, 100%. My whole thing is, well then you know, why would he right next to him? I do like, I do like your thing, that set it up beforehand, it was, they had to improvise. This was the time, cuz he, he wasn’t wearing the vest, but now he’s in my car, [bleep] it, you got to take the risk. Yeah, and it’s [bleep] it, they, they took the risk and it paid, it paid off.
I like that. I think, I think to me, that that is the most, that’s what I believe. I believe that Jorge’s theory on Suge set it up previously, had this whole thing planned out, it wasn’t supposed to be in his car, something just chang a, something changed and you couldn’t stop it. It’s not like, it’s not like you had cell phones, like texting. Imagine like, if you’re like, no no Tupac, you’re not right with me, like, of course it would be weird if he was like, no, to, can’t ride my car. He’s like, who’s riding your car? Nobody, I want to ride alone. It’s like super sketchy.
Exactly. True. So I think he was just, okay, sure. And then like, I think they did have cell phones back. They had cell phones, 96. Yeah, they had cell phones. Yeah, I didn’t have a cell phone. Yeah, you weren’t a rapper. Ex, I, they were like the car, they were like, like the car phone. Yeah, not like, yo, send me a text. No, there was no text probably. I want the vanilla ice cream still in my car though, okay, see you later, all right. Yeah, you guys are both on that. That’s, that’s the one I like. I do think that there, there might have been some cop involvement.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, because there is evidence that shows that some of these cops were moonlighting at as security guards for Death Row. Yeah, so so there’s nothing around that. No, so that’s what I’m saying, like I think the c, especially whether or not they’re corrupt I don’t know, but like they’re moonlighting, they’re working at night in the weekends at a club. We know what moonlighting is. No, I know, but I’m just saying, like I’m extrapolating you. No, so where you at? So that’s, that’s where you’re at. You guys are both on the same page on that. I’m like, like 80% that Tak, I’m taking from his and then adding in the cop element.
I, I know, the cop element, like yeah. But I also question, here’s the other question. Nobody’s been charged, nobody’s been convicted, nothing, which I think is weird. Like, why? I think it’s weird. Why is it weird? What do you mean though? There’s uh, even Chris Rock was, was more people saw Tupac get shot than an episode of Seinfeld. Like he made a joke about it, how are we, how have we not solve this? You even charged anybody, nothing, right? They all got away with it. I do think it’s weir that they got away. It was in broad daylight, not broad daylight, but like on the streets, right, of Vegas, and no one, they can then find a car, could like did ballistics on, like, I mean, I watch too much CSI to believe that anyone can get away with any murder.
Yeah. It almost seems like the only way to get away with murder is to do it out in public with chaos. What do, what do you think? Um, I think that unfortunately I think that he was too caught up in the thug life thing, and Orlando killed him. And Orlando killed him, and it was like, he went and beat him up in public, that’s true, he beat him up [bleep], ID shame him, like literally by 50 people on camera, and then the guy was like, you know what, [bleep] you, you know what I mean, Bloods and Crips and la la, and they got, and they just popped him.
Know, it does make sense. And then it was sloppy police work, sloppy activity, nobody took responsibility for it, and then nobody did it, and nobody charged them because there’s no evidence, and then everybody starts dying, and then all the witnesses are gone, and here we are, and we lost Tupac. Yeah. I mean, I, I do think, no, I think, I think partially my theory is fuel just from my, I hate Sh Knight, so like, yeah, I want to be responsible because I hate. I do kind of believe that Sh Knight [bleep] his life. Oh, for sure. Whether or not he killed him, I don’t know, but you know, he turned him into this, like, yeah, you know.
Yeah, you feel that. If you, what you should do is actually go watch the videos of him running through the casino, and he looks [bleep], like, like he’s like skipping, like pumped. Yeah, know what I mean, and I don’t even, I don’t know, you know. No wonder he [bleep] got into it, he started beating somebody up, like he was pumped, like he was pumped about something. I don’t know if it was about Tyson, maybe, like, now I need to pump, i p. Yeah, there, true, this could have been totally under. But his rap sheet is super upsetting, I mean. And then additionally, did he rape the girl?
I don’t know. I mean, even if he did, him not raping her but like giving him homies, that’s [bleep] up. I know, right? That’s [bleep] up. That’s super f. And first of all, like, how could you feel good about that? I know, like, oh I’m g to share you with my friend, like, oh that’s so. I don’t, I don’t, it’s never like crossed my mind. It is a bummer that that I had a perception of him before I. Started doing, was like a good guy. He was, I was an intellectual trying to create change. Exactly, yeah. And then, and then after doing this, it only went down.
See, that’s why I don’t believe that he was like some [bleep] R, just because of the the rape charges and the assault charges and the the weapons charges and getting shot eight times, and the the thug life, yeah, the drugs going on, and the this is, and that, you know, just the way he treated everybody, and then, you know what I mean. And I don’t know, the fact that he told his girlfriend that to not come to club and immediately hits on two [bleep], like instantly after he leaves, second. Why I say, so like, my perception of him, just kind of like you guys thought that he was not a [bleep] rapper and not a player, like he’s a straight arrow.
Thought he was intellectual, like I thought he was different. I thought he was more of, I thought he was more like, oh yeah, I’m a rapper but I’m actually smart, and I’m not here just, just to do the raping, obviously. He’s going to [bleep] obviously, and everybody’s on his dick [bleep], I’m not, I’m not giving him [bleep] for that, I’m just saying. I think that he was, I think, I just do this rap thing, pretty, this pretty cool, I kind of like this. I think he started with, oh yeah, we’ll make it, then, then he, then he was like, yeah yeah. Like he started at poetry almost, and then it like went to, went from like ball to [bleep].
He definitely spiral, you know, downward spiral or whatever. You think he was doing drugs? Oh, for sure. Aside from weed? You think he was only doing weed? I, I think it was just doing weed. I think so. I don’t know, it just didn’t, he never, I never, he never said that he was doing hard or something. Seen, well normally you can see signs of someone starting to like, the facial changes and like, yeah, that’s true, but he always kind of look this exactly the same. Yeah, yeah, he did Hennessy a, a steady drip and a new port, love them, boss. All right, well I think we all agree that he’s dead.
Yes, 100%. Unfortunately, yeah, forun. I mean, no, cuz if he was alive he would have, we would have, he’s not the kind that would be quiet. Yeah, we would have known, not retire, retire. It’s also like, he died in ’96. I mean, dude, that was almost, oh that’s upsetting, almost. We don’t even know math, we don’t know ma3. It’s almost, it’s almost 30 years. Oh yeah, shit9 years, almost 30 years. Yeah, come on. C, c is, he would be 57. Really? Yeah. So he, how old was he when he died? 27. Oh, w, yeah. All right, well there you go guys, he [bleep] [bleep] in Cuba right now at his auntie’s house, rentree.
You’re living with your Ae and uncle in Cuba. It’s so weird though, just last thing, it’s so weird though, that we’re now like dealing with Jada Pinket, h, you know what I mean? Yeah, it’s just weird. I’m sorry, like, she was fine, she was like whatever, but like now she’s, no. Now she’s, was she ever? No, what I’m just saying, she was never. No, I’m, I’m saying like, no, I’m saying she never like, like a thing. No, I’m saying she was kind of like whatever, like I didn’t mind. What did she do? That nothing. Why is she a superstar? She’s not a superstar, have you seen her act?
Why is she a star, period? She got lucky with one of the Matrix movies. Not even, just Matrix 3. I said with one of the Matrix movies. What accomplish? Oh whatever, I don’t even me. Wasn’t she like that, that one terrible movie, Set It Off, right? Was she? It was so bad, that’s right. Love that movie. I hate that. Queen La, I know. Queen Latifa is good. Queen Latifa is [bleep] awesome. All right, thanks guys. All right, we’ll uh, we’ll catch you next time. Hope you guys like this one, let us know your thoughts, let us know what you think. Um, like I said, I, I, I openly admit to my bias opinion because I hate Su Knite, but um, you know, tell us what you think.
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