So continuing off from part one. If you have not listened to part one of Michael Jackson, mainly part one was going over his rise in his youth, how he rocketed up to being basically the most famous person on earth. He was the most famous person on earth. We also went over Neverland, all the eccentricities, bubbles. He’s still living his dream.

And then in the last part of the episode, we went over the skin condition that he had. Vitiligo. And so at this point in time in the 90s, things kind of took a turn for Michael as far as in the tabloids. This is when the attack started. And they started to label him with Wacko Jacko as the name. He hated that name, by the way.

Here’s the thing. When you’re that famous, regardless of anything, regardless of whether you like the person or dislike the person, it’s hard to discern facts when you’re just constantly being attacked. I’ll take a classic example. Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey. The sheer amount of chaos around this, literally around an unfounded rumor, an actual rumor that Elliot Page is going to play Achilles. It has not been confirmed.

Ellen Page was an actress in Inception, with Christopher Nolan, and then she transitioned to a man as Elliot Page. The rumor mill was talking about is that she was in the movie. Well, she is in the movie, she’s proven to be in it, it’s a fact. But they never confirmed her role, and then some rando was like, oh, she’s going to play Achilles, and then people are freaking out, literally losing their mind.

The memes are great, don’t get me wrong, the memes are hilarious. But it’s not confirmed at all. I guarantee you he won’t be Achilles. I would bet a million dollars that he will not be Achilles. But people will just take anything and literally run with it. And they will die on the vine. It’d be different if he was like, yes, it’s confirmed. Sure, dump on them all you want, but everyone is freaking out.

Especially this day and age where people want to put up something on social media just to get likes, just to get the clickbait. It’s just straight clickbait. And just to get the views. It’s like people will take something that literally no one has said is true except for some randoms that aren’t involved with the movie, and we’ve all taken it as fact, and we’ve proceeded to dump on one of, in my opinion, the greatest directors of our age. Christopher Nolan is by far one of the greatest directors of the 21st century. Look at all the bangers.

We’ve seen this play out a lot with media, when they start with one story and then everybody starts picking it up. It just catches fire. Well, they do, because you have to. You have to talk about it because you have to be relevant. Everybody’s talking about it, they got to pick it up. So I literally bet, well, not my life because I don’t want to die, but I bet my stuff that Elliot Page will not be Achilles. Elliot Page weighs 100 pounds and is 5’2. Like, Achilles.

I think he’s going to be one of the just a person on the ship, or just another random role. I’ve seen people who are really into films give actual legitimate roles that Elliot Page could play. So I honestly think that’s what it’s going to be. Okay. Well, the tabloids gave him the term Wacko Jacko. He hated the name. I mean, I would hate the name.

They also ran a photo of him in a hyperbaric chamber. Now keep in mind, this is back in the late 90s before this was actually accepted as legitimate treatment. And actually a lot of people use them now. My wife just used one. It’s a legit treatment. So they actually took a photo of him in the hyperbaric chamber and then leaked it to the press.

And they made it seem like he was crazy. See how messed up that is. A person who actually had to work there, who’s literally selling the service, is like, look at this psycho in the service that I sell. And what’s crazy about it too is that nowadays we know that it’s just about oxygen. It’s oxygenating your body. That’s all the hyperbaric chamber is, it’s compressing oxygen into your body. And actually it’s very good for you.

I’ve done it. My mom had one in her house for a long time. They’re great, they’re actually really good for you. Like all the elite athletes, every elite athlete you can imagine is doing it. So it was almost like he was ahead of his time. And when you got unlimited money, you get the advanced look at the good stuff.

And then they kept going in the tabloids. They said that he tried to buy the Elephant Man’s bones, and he had actually proposed that as a deliberate stunt to see what would happen, then watched in horror as the press ran it completely straight. Meaning it was like a joke to him, but then, back to the concept, what we do with money. I love the Elephant Man’s bones. I want them.

Then in November of 2002 he held his nine-month-old son Blanket off a Berlin hotel balcony in front of a screaming crowd. I remember that. But also, that’s on you for naming your kid Blanket. I can’t defend you for that. Also, you don’t hang a little baby off the balcony. I don’t care how strong your grip is. Maybe he was, I don’t know, I’m trying to justify it. I can’t justify that. He messed up. That’s on him. He apologized for it. You’re allowed to mess up, people mess up. He just happens to have every camera on him at all times.

So in 1992, the owner of a rental car agency offered Michael a free rental in exchange for a phone call to his 12-year-old stepson Jordan, who was a fan. Michael called. Jordan and his mother June became regulars to Neverland, trips to Vegas, sleepovers. So that was the connection. They stayed at hotel suites, they got gifts. Michael described their friendship as innocent, parental, the kind of thing that he had missed out on in his childhood.

Jordan’s father Evan, a Beverly Hills dentist, grew suspicious and then hostile, and then, according to his own brother’s book, used sedation during a dental procedure to extract a confession from his son. Are you serious? So this is the first lawsuit. I put my kid under drugs to knock him out and I was coercing him to say something. Apparently he had said that he gave him a truth serum. First of all, how do you get that as a dentist? You’re barely an MD. That’s super fringe. How are you getting a truth serum?

So then Evan, who is the dad, demanded 20 million to stay quiet. If you were convinced that your son was being molested by a grown man, and your first thing is to demand 20 million to stay quiet, it’s a lie. Because when you go, I just want you to burn, I want your death, I want you to die in prison or die by my hand, preferably. But I’m not asking for cash. It’s a clear cash grab. You’re going to want to go all the way, make sure it’s public, make sure he gets convicted, until you’re getting killed in prison. I’m not stopping. So Michael refused. Good.

But then in August, LAPD raided Neverland. So they raid it off of a dude drugging his own kid. And first of all, you drug your own kid, how is that not the red flag? So yeah, I drugged my kid, what’s the problem? It’s pretty horrible. And what’s crazy is that he wasn’t even home. Michael was on tour in Asia. So when they raided Neverland, how can they legally do that? How do you present a warrant based on you illegally drugging your own child? Testimony of a guy that’s demanding 20 million to stay quiet.

So what’s wild too is that when Neverland was raided and he was in Asia, Michael passed out, he collapsed. But then at that point his press person announced that he had some painkiller issues causing the pass out. First of all, terrible PR agent. So all this is happening at the same time. He was raided, but he was not in LA, he was in Asia. Then he collapsed. So then the agent said he had some painkiller issue. Wouldn’t a better explanation be he’s dehydrated from being on tour, being on stage so much? Why are you paying this PR agent? This is absolutely terrible.

So then he eventually came home, and then in January of ’94 he settled the civil case for 15.3 million. The settlement explicitly did not prevent Jordan from testifying criminally. Jordan refused. Two grand juries declined to indict. No surprise, because they’re literally basing it off of the worst possible evidence imaginable. But he settled for 15 million. So then the people who are against Michael said an innocent man doesn’t settle.

No, but listen, if you have unlimited money, you’re already stressed. He’s getting drugged by his personal doctor, we already know this. And then you’re like, whatever, forget it. In his mind he’s probably thinking, I already like the kid, I like his mom, whatever, I’ll just give him money, I don’t actually care. Who advised him for this? A terrible PR agent. He’s got a drug problem. He’s getting advice from someone, he’s not making these decisions, someone’s telling him to do this.

Have you ever paid somebody to go away? I’ve never had enough money to pay someone. No, never, not even remotely close. Rich people probably do, but us, not even remotely close. I had one scenario where a guy was a little bit aggressive with a home repair. I was like, dude, it’s still leaking, I don’t know what to tell you, you didn’t do your job. And then he went ballistic and started showing up at the door and getting aggressive. And then I just paid it out.

This is why you got to be armed, Eric. No. But we’re talking about a small amount of money. Aggressive, you break the door and you’re like, oh, come to my house. I’m like, oh, there’s a knife in your hand. Shut up. I’m just saying technically speaking, it’s a microcosm of it. I paid it out. It’s like a nanocosm. 15 mil, 500 bucks, same same. That’s what I’m saying, you just pay it and just go away. I’ve never done that ever. Also, you know who my wife is, you really think she’s going to pay out? It could be zero dollars and she’s not paying it out.

But I see what you’re saying. Like just leave me alone, please, get off my property, it’s not worth the hassle. Also, if I’m at work answering the door to this aggresso, it’s worth it for you to depart with 500 bucks, get rid of the problem. Same with him, probably 15 million is like 500 bucks to us. I still can’t get past homie illegally drugging his own child. You don’t care about your kid at all, you drugged your own child, and then instead of trying to pursue a criminal suit, you just ask for cash. It’s a cash grab. Anybody with more than two or three brain cells can see that’s a cash grab. Because any parent would want the death penalty. That’s what I would want.

On February 3rd, 2003, Martin Bashir’s Living with Michael Jackson aired to 48 million viewers across the US and UK. There was Michael holding hands with 13-year-old cancer survivor Gavin Arvizo, explaining calmly that he shared his bedroom with children. So I watched this interview. It’s a little odd. He was trying to make it seem okay that he was helping children. Which that part is fine, you can definitely be a nice person and help. But if you watch the interview, it’s strange because the whole interview he’s holding this kid’s hand.

If I was the parent of the 13-year-old, I would be so enraged. Nothing about that is normal. I would be like, why are you touching my kid? Hands off. So this was almost like a PR stunt that went south. And he’s probably in his mind like, oh, it’s a cancer survivor, I love it, but oblivious. Just oblivious to the real world. Where’s the PR agent? No, it’s cool, we’ll just tell them that you’re on drugs, they’ll totally understand.

So in this interview he’s literally holding the hands of a 13-year-old, and his name is Gavin Arvizo, and he explained calmly in the interview that he shared his bedroom with children. Here’s the quote from Michael in the interview, and I quote, it’s not sexual, I mean, we’re going to sleep, I tuck them in, it’s very charming, it’s very sweet. But what prompted him to say that? I don’t know why you would, if you said that out of nowhere. Unless there was a cue, like, isn’t it a little weird, Mike?

It is strange, I watched the whole thing. Do you remember what prompted him to say that? Well, he asked. The guy asked, do the kids sleep here? So he’s probably a little defensive, like, hey, it’s not sexual, you know. But I also think we have to really look at the person we’re talking about. We’re talking about a very emotionally scarred human. If I said something like that, it’s like a super red flag, the ultimate red flag. Had a great childhood.

It’s not funny. It’s funny in this context. It’s not funny though, stop laughing everybody. No, but that might even hurt his case here. It did hurt his case. It obviously hurt his case for sure. And when the interview came out, Michael felt betrayed by the producer, like they framed it in a bad light. Because in the interview the interviewer was like, why are you holding his hand? I can see, why are you in bed with kids? It doesn’t have to be sexual, sure, but don’t put yourself in that position. This is a bad position to be in, especially being the most famous human who’s ever lived.

So one thing that did come out later, from Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman and those kind of guys, is that, okay, if you said Eric was sleeping in my room, our rooms are fairly small. His room is the size of my house. So what came out later was that his rooms were the size of our homes. It’s 18,000 square feet. Meanwhile our rooms are tiny. You’re sleeping in my room, it’s like you’re in my bed, there’s no ifs ands or buts about it, we’re making love. You’re naked with me.

No, but didn’t Corey Feldman vehemently defend him? Corey Feldman was saying that other people sexually assaulted him. He’s clearly not anti, he’s saying others are doing stuff and he defended him. Same with Culkin. He was like, nothing weird ever happened. So that’s what I’m saying, he’s got the worst PR agent in the history of PR, clearly the absolute worst.

So the original DA who pursued him in the 1993 case, that was Tom Sneddon, and he was like the guy who just wouldn’t let go. He had a bone to pick. He wanted to be famous, that’s what he was. That’s a career-making case. He was like, I’m going to find something. So he attempted to reopen the investigation. And so by November of 2003, after this interview came out, Gavin Arvizo, who was the kid he was holding hands with in the interview, alleged incidents.

So on November 18th of 2003, deputies again raided Neverland. They’ve raided it like multiple times and they’re still not finding any tomfoolery. It’s not like you’re raiding Diddy’s place and they’re like, why are there 3,000 bottles of baby oil? Diddy never gets raided. Where’s the video? Anyways, so then that went to trial. The trial ran from late February through June 2005 in Santa Maria. Michael arrived each day in a different suit. One morning he actually appeared in pajamas. This is rich people stuff, I can’t begin to understand it. And the fact that he doesn’t get thrown out is also rich people privilege. He claimed that he had a back injury so he needed to wear loose clothing. Well, it’s called sweatpants, my man.

So the prosecution charged 14 counts: child molestation, attempted molestation, intoxicating a minor, and also sweeping conspiracy charges to hide and cover up. The media turned the courthouse into a circus. Fans camped out outside for months. I don’t know why people do that. Have you ever been a fan of something so much that you would camp out? Have you ever been to a picket or a protest? No. I’ve also never camped out for Black Friday, I’ve never wanted a TV that bad. I’m too impatient.

Do you think that we just don’t have enough? No, I just think we don’t care enough. Some people have their heart behind it and they’re truly wanting change, and then they go out. I’m not opposed to it. But protesting is different than standing outside a courthouse for a trial. You literally have zero impact on this. Like, no kings. I did think it was funny that the no kings thing, and then when King Charles came, kind of a standing ovation. You know what’s crazy, he’s an actual king.

Dude, I didn’t tell you. My son went to DC and spent a week, and he texted me, dad, I literally just saw the king of England. And I’m like, what do you mean? So he was there during the motorcade. He saw King Charles out the window, and I was like, dude, that is amazing, that’s actually super sick. But he’s an actual king.

So the defense systematically dismantled the Arvizo family’s credibility, surfacing a prior civil suit in which the mother had been caught lying under oath. Cash grab. So on June 13th, 2005, after seven weeks of deliberation, the jury acquitted Michael on all counts. It’s a clear cash grab. All 14 counts just completely. And that’s the thing, we have to take into account all 14, not even one. Not even the lowest one, not even a little misdemeanor, not even endangering a child, which is a very loose charge. I probably endangered a child once or twice.

The sad part about this, and this is the quote from him as he was walking out, he said, I hate this place, I can’t stand it, I never want to see it again. And in June 2005 he never set foot again in Neverland. He just said, I’m done, I’m out. That was the trial in 2005.

Okay, so next is the story about the documentary that was banned. Well, the fact that it was banned and it was won in court as being removed makes me kind of believe that there wasn’t enough truth in it for even the free media to allow it. Because there’s not even reasonable doubt. If there’s not even enough reasonable doubt to see, well maybe he did, then it’s clear-cut. For example, in present time, the Harvey Weinstein case got a mistrial. A mistrial just means that the jury couldn’t come to a decision. So even in that, the jury couldn’t decide yay or nay. This jury unanimously decided on everything that it didn’t happen.

So real quick on this story. James Safechuck was nine years old in 1987 when he was cast alongside Michael in a Pepsi commercial. By his account in the 2019 documentary called Leaving Neverland, which is the banned documentary that you cannot even see, anybody listening in the United States can’t actually watch this right now. I tried to watch it and I couldn’t. He says Michael immediately began lavishing his family with gifts, including his own Thriller jacket, first class travel, hotel suites across Europe, a trip to Paris. He said it felt like we were bonding in a way. He was 10 years old and he said that Michael introduced him to masturbation.

He described years of systematic abuse: gifts, access, isolation, and the normalization of physical contact. He alleged abuse from roughly 1988 to 1992 across multiple locations, including the Neverland Ranch. He described a pseudo wedding ceremony where he allegedly performed a binding with a ring, that Michael married him. How are there no other witnesses for this? A whole wedding, and there’s nobody else that was there. They got a picture of him in the hyperbaric chamber, but there’s nobody else for the wedding. When Safechuck grew older and Michael’s interest reportedly ceased, he spent two decades telling himself nothing had happened, he married, had a child and a family, and then finally later he decided to let it out.

So in his case, he wasn’t trying to sue to get money at first. No, later on it seems like he is. He went for a civil suit. Civil is when you’re trying to get money, criminal is when you’re trying to pursue charges. But you know what I’ve learned in this. Define the term documentary. It’s any sort of film or discussion about a person. When we hear documentary we put an aspect of truth to it, we think it’s the facts. We think, let me document what happened, but it’s not. A biography is something where you should put truth, because that’s information from the source, but a documentary isn’t necessarily.

I think it’s a person’s point of view on that person. So I could do a documentary with their viewpoint and their bias or not. Look how many times you see documentaries that are polar opposites of each other. That’s why I say this has almost been an experiment in, be careful what you’re watching. Here’s an example. Amazon Prime, anybody can release anything, it doesn’t matter. I guarantee you if Sean and I wanted to mess Jorge up big time, if we had the money, we could make a documentary about him. We put eerie music behind it, we catch him on film being mad at his kid one time, you interview people that don’t like me. We could release it on Amazon Prime and call it a documentary.

So I’m just saying this has been an exercise in interesting. Maybe documentaries should be reclassified. They should be called like an independent film. To me, I hate to say it, but some documentaries are just movies. They’re just made-up movies where you can angle something. It’s all about perspective and point of view. You can watch a documentary and it could be about anything. The ones that I typically believe are usually the ones about, for example, there was a documentary about the whole issue in Michigan with the fracking, and you’re talking to the families, and that to me I’m like, okay, for sure, because you have people affected by this disaster. But when it’s about an individual, you never really know.

Even the Diddy one, I personally don’t like Diddy, so of course I was like, yes, love this, that was great. But does it necessarily mean it’s all true? You can paint somebody in a picture. It could be true, but you’re only getting the truth from one side. So then you call it a documentary and done deal. And I’m not a big fan of defector interviews, because people are already pissed, they’re already angry, and we don’t know what they’re angry about. It’s only one side, and it’s a harsh thing to say.

I’ll give you a great example. I was in the staffing industry for a very long time, and sometimes if people are looking at a new job, they’ll go to Glassdoor and look at reviews. And I used to tell candidates, take that with a grain of salt. Yes, while some of that may be true, if you’re looking at the reviews of a bunch of maintenance techs who were fired because they were drunk, how accurate is it really? Obviously you should look at it, but take it with a grain of salt, because only you can decide how a thing is. If someone’s like, this company sucks, I hate them, well, have you talked to them, have you personally seen their facilities, have you personally communicated with the management? How do you know until you experience it for yourself?

So that’s the defectors thing. Disgruntled employees typically leave bad reviews. Jorge and I are not in the same industries, but there’s a little parallel. How many people leave a review for a product? Maybe 0.1 percent. And it’s usually people who are upset. We have to fight to get people to leave us good reviews. If you don’t do that, then it would be like 99 percent negative. The reason why is because people who are happy with our product, they’re not going back to it. So the negative people or defectors or bad reviews are just one small view. It doesn’t paint the whole picture. It’s a very small quantum of the total.

So Dan Reed’s Leaving Neverland premiered at Sundance in 2019 and it aired on HBO in March across four hours. Reed described it as a study of the psychology of child sexual abuse, told through two ordinary families groomed for 20 years by a celebrity masquerading as a trusted friend. And it won the primetime Emmy for outstanding documentary. Radio stations in the UK and Canada pulled Michael’s music. The Simpsons removed a famous guest star episode from streaming. Things got to where everybody was like, we’re done with Michael. He becomes like a social pariah at that point.

The Jackson Estate sued HBO and they won. In December of 2020, the Jackson Estate won and produced the rebuttal documentary called Neverland Firsthand. And I watched this one, because it’s available and the other one’s not. And it was disputing every fact from the Neverland documentary. So good for whoever made the rebuttal, because it was a lot of work to go through and say, this was wrong, or these dates are wrong. But there’s got to be something to say, regardless of if you’re biased, regardless of if you think he is a bad person or a good person, something to be said about being acquitted on all charges. Literally winning a lawsuit against a documentary. How many times can you keep winning that you’re not an evil piece of garbage?

And they won against HBO, to where people are like, okay, so maybe he isn’t a piece of garbage, maybe just maybe, he keeps winning everything. But that’s PR. PR will leave the stain, or it will leave you painted as the hero, and no matter what, later on you do something bad, it’s like you have so much goodwill from this PR. So they messed up big. Define reality. Whatever you believe is true is going to be true for you personally. Like if I thought Jorge couldn’t speak Spanish, even if he was trying to speak Spanish, but if I was dead set on it, it would be real and totally believable to me, because I believed it.

So it’s that simple. Now you multiply that times everybody starts saying the same thing, then that reality starts to become more and more real, but it doesn’t mean that it’s true. Of course, it’s just a perception. Perception is reality. That’s the whole concept. Whatever you think to be real is going to be real whether it’s true or not.

So a couple things for those who believe he did this stuff. The rebuttal documentary was called Neverland Firsthand, and the lawyers pointed to two facts. First, Robson testified under oath in 2005 that Michael never abused him. It was a sworn legal statement, and then later he recanted and said he did abuse him. So how do you deal with that, like, honey, I swore testimony, and you’re like, actually, technically. Allegedly.

Second, biographer Mike Smallcombe argued Safechuck’s claim of abuse at Neverland’s train station between ’88 and ’92 couldn’t be true, because the train station wasn’t even built until ’94. That’s pretty damning right there. Reed responded that Safechuck was at Neverland both before and after construction, that other train-related structures existed earlier, and that Safechuck had simply misremembered the date. Okay, sure, that’s plausible.

So then in March 2025, Leaving Neverland 2 came out, and I watched this one. This was an hour-long sequel that documented the men’s legal fight, with exclusive courtroom access. And I’ll quote it. People must have known, Safechuck said. Robson, I want my day in court. And they had a combined civil suit, which was Safechuck versus MJJ Productions, and it was for 400 million dollars. Cash. This is all, I want my day in court for cash. And a heads up on that, that trial is set for November of 2026.

Are you kidding me? For 400 million dollars? It’s just such an absurd amount of money. Can I just sue Apple for like one trillion dollars? Come on, that alone is ridiculous. Red flag. Are you suing on behalf of a country that Michael Jackson sent a nuke to? 400 mil. So now we move forward to his demise, his end. So we have the pedophilia, and then we have his death. So technically speaking, after everything, it’s two major things.

So the house was 100 North Carolwood Drive in Holmby Hills, a rented mansion. Michael had been using propofol. It’s a powerful surgical anesthetic. It’s white as milk, which he called milk, and it was a sleep aid that he had used for a decade. That’s a long time to be pumping propofol. And this concierge doctor, they’re like, oh, trust us, you don’t need an Advil, you need hardcore anesthetics. The propofol is the stuff that they use when you’re having surgeries, we’re going to cut your breastplate open, they rip some propofol into you.

So apparently he had extreme insomnia. And he was gearing up for the final tour. And it was called This Is It. But he couldn’t sleep. So if you can’t sleep, and then you got to rehearse. If you can’t sleep, you will go crazy, your body cannot physically handle it. He could have just had some melatonin gummies. Boom, little melatonin gummies, I passed out. Dude, I took one of those one time and I thought it was just multivitamin gummies, I ate like six. I slept till Monday, I was out, it was in the office.

So he couldn’t sleep, and no ordinary sedative seemed to work. Propofol apparently knocked him out, but it was designed for operating rooms. No kidding it knocked him out, it would knock out a horse. It was supposed to be used with monitoring equipment and trained anesthesiologists standing by. It wasn’t his homie with his doctor bag like, trust me, brother. And Murray, his attending doctor, knew that. But he was upcharging him on the propofol. It’s only like 350k a shot, it’s really cheap, trust me.

The night of June 24th, Michael came home from the Staples Center, for the rehearsal. He got home at around 12:31 a.m. and Murray administered diazepam, then later lorazepam, then 30 minutes later midazolam. Apparently nothing worked. So he’s like, let’s just keep pumping him full of more drugs. This is all the same night, within 30-minute intervals. What’s the effective rate, didn’t you wait a second? This reminds me of Wolf of Wall Street when he takes the Quaalude and it’s time-released. He’s like, your stuff ain’t working, so take another one.

So per Murray, Michael begged for milk. So by 10 a.m. Murray injected 25 milligrams of propofol diluted in lidocaine. You’re diluting it in another anesthetic, through an IV drip. And then Michael went under. Then the doctor went on his phone. Murray’s phone records, presented in trial later on, showed a physician anywhere but at his patient’s bedside. At 11:18 a.m. he called his Las Vegas office. At 11:49 he left a voicemail for a patient. At 11:51 a.m. he called Sade Anding, a Houston cocktail waitress. He’s hitting up his side piece. What’s up, girl?

She testified about what was happening on the phone call. And she said, I said, hello, hello, are you there? I heard mumbling of voices, I heard coughing, nobody answered. This is just the data. He did not call 911. But Murray said he performed CPR on the bed, not on the floor, using only one hand. Well, how are you supposed to get any sort of compression on a bed? Apparently he did CPR with one hand, which is useless. And not to mention on the bed. He told the bodyguard, Alberto Alvarez, to collect and bag any medication vials in the house, then throw them in the trash, then called 911.

So then he called 911 and the 911 call was logged at 12:21 p.m. Paramedics found Michael in cardiac arrest. Murray, when the paramedics were there, never mentioned the propofol. This guy’s a piece of garbage. Michael was pronounced dead at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center at 2:26 p.m. at 50 years old. That was young. The coroner ruled the manner of death homicide. Acute propofol intoxication. Ain’t no 25 milligrams, that’s a little bit more than that, brother.

In 2011, Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Four years. Seems a little light, doesn’t it? That’s what I’m saying. So with time served, he was released in 2013. And where did he go? Two years. He went to Trinidad and Tobago, and he’s practicing medicine in Trinidad. Because you don’t need any legit license to operate there. And that’s the end of the king of pop. It’s so messed up.

Those drugs that he took, those are heavy, and he took them in rapid succession, and then propofol. Any medical professional is not going to allow you, he’s going to be like, no, bro, chill out, let’s get it out of your system, then we can revisit this. I don’t care, he’s begging, he’s begging for it. Crackheads are begging for crack all the time, doesn’t mean you give it to them. From the doctor’s side, it was 9 or 10 hours later and he was on this stuff for years, it wasn’t like the first time he took it. But he didn’t give him just 25 milligrams. The coroner said acute propofol poisoning. Acute. It wasn’t obtuse propofol poisoning.

Okay, so now the conspiracies about Michael overall. There’s a lot, I’m sure. The first one is that AEG, which is Anschutz Entertainment Group, the concert promotion group behind This Is It and the comeback, the one he was working on, let him die. The wrongful death suit filed by Katherine Jackson, this is literally his family, alleged AEG had pressured a sick, exhausted man into a residency he couldn’t even survive, then negligently hired his doctor killer. Wait, they hired him. And then he moves to Trinidad immediately after getting out of prison.

Here’s the wild part. AEG held a 17 million dollar Michael Jackson life insurance policy. Of course they did. I’m sure they didn’t refund any of their tickets either. It was called the Lloyds of London policy on his life. Lloyds later sued AEG for not disclosing his drug history, saying they didn’t know. AEG quietly dropped their own insurance claim in September of 2012, the same week the leaked emails went public about his drug use. Look, I totally believe that he was doing drugs for sure, I’m not counting that out.

Real quick on this one, a jury found in October 2013 that while AEG hired Murray, the doctor, he wasn’t incompetent at the time, and the Jackson family lost the lawsuit. So AEG got off. How do they find out, the money is wild. People do crazy stuff over crazy money. So the Jackson estate had to pay out. Wait, what? The life insurance company doesn’t pay out? No, the life insurance didn’t pay. So then they went after the family. And they lost. That’s such garbage. How do the insurance companies always win? They’re like, we don’t pay, but you pay.

Another theory. So we’re going to just rattle off some of the theories and then decide what you guys think. He faked it, he’s still alive. He’s 100 percent dead. Similar to the Elvis theory. Online communities of believers point to alleged sightings and the convenient timing of a man who, by the end of this, was 500 million in debt, who became worth far more dead than he was alive, and his estate has earned three billion since his death. And there’s a video, you can look it up, where there’s one of those coroner vans, and there’s a guy who looks like Michael walking out into the van. He’s dead as a doornail. He’s one of a handful of people that cannot walk around this earth without being recognized. He would have to literally move to space to not be recognized, everyone knows who he is.

This one is wild. Sean’s wife brought it up to us earlier. It’s that he was murdered for the catalog. Again, money. So actually his daughter Paris Jackson has come out and said, and I’ll quote it, in Rolling Stone in 2017, she said, absolutely, all arrows point to that, it sounds like a cliche but all real fans and everybody in the family knows it, it was a setup. Because like you said, he’s worth way more dead. Just like art. People who do art, all their stuff is worth way more when they’re gone, because it’s a finite quantity, there’s no more coming out.

Latoya, which is one of his sisters, came out and said she claimed that Michael told her directly. She said, and I quote, she was quoting Michael, Latoya, I’m going to be murdered for my music publishing catalog and my estate. That’s pretty straight up. So in 2016, Sony bought the remaining 50 percent for 750 million. That’s pennies on the dollar. Then in 2024, they bought the remainder for one billion. So they paid about 1.75 billion and they’ve doubled their investment. The theory is that nobody knows how much it’s really worth, because it’s like infinity. The clicks keep clicking. Honestly, my kids weren’t even alive when he was alive.

Another theory is that Sony just simply silenced him. He called Mottola the devil publicly. He believed that Sony was burying his music on purpose. Within years of his death, Sony owned everything that he once owned. That’s pretty similar to what we were talking about. Again though, no real evidence to tie that. Except for follow the money. That’s always what I’m looking at. And then the other theory, which you had brought up, is that this family’s never-ending getting a taste of the wealth and the generosity, and then going, okay, I want to get mine. And the pedophilia stuff. The thing is, it happens so often. People sue people for everything. You get sued for literally anything, and people win.

And what’s crazy is that this lawsuit is going to be later on this year, but it’s the 400 million dollar one. So this is still going. This is not a historical episode, but I guess we’ll do a follow-up. So who makes money on the movie that’s out now? His estate, probably, for sure. So when the ledgers closed on June 25th, 2009, when he died, Michael Jackson owed half a billion dollars. Who do you owe this money to? Just all the things. The elephants and the giraffes, I don’t know, monkeys, all the things. His lifestyle, his jets, his production.

It’s hard to think that he was in debt though. Now I’m going to tell you his assets. So that was his negative. Oh, so rich people live off debt, because debt’s tax-free, and you don’t want to liquidate because then you’re paying money. Exactly. But his estate owned the entire Beatles catalog. Which is like a bajillion. He owned a half share of Sony, and it was worth over a billion dollars on paper for half of his share. No wonder Sony totally killed him. 100 percent. Neverland, at today’s real estate prices, is probably 50 or 60 mil. But did he own or owe? Owned.

His mother Katherine became the guardian of the children. John Branca and John McClain became co-executors of the estate. They estimate the estate is two to three billion. So we said half a billion was the debt. He’s still gold. Well, us normies don’t understand. He’s fine. That’s what rich people do, you just get rid of stuff. Example, take Elon Musk, he’s almost a trillionaire, but almost all of his money is in shares. He can’t liquidate legally more than like 2 percent of his holdings a year. So how do you get around it? You just take debt, and your debt is collateralized by your assets, and the bank will give you whatever you want. They don’t care, you can go to Goldman, they’re like, whatever you want, oh, you need 10 billy, no problem, baby.

The MJ musical won four Tonys after his death. This Is It, the concert that he was putting on, became a documentary, and it was the highest grossing documentary ever made. In 2026, Michael came out, starring his nephew Jaafar, and it opened to over 200 million its first weekend. That’s insane. And that’s just counting here, not internationally. Bubbles is still rolling around in Florida living his life. Neverland was sold, renamed Sycamore Valley Ranch, to some billionaire. The rides are gone, the animals are gone, even the name above the gate is gone. His funeral cost 1.1 million dollars to even put on. The whole world stood still.

So whether the King of Pop was a saint or a monster, a victim or a predator, a man murdered for his catalog, or a man who quietly medicated himself into his own grave, it depends entirely on which witnesses you believe. And hopefully you got some information this time around to make that choice for yourself. There’s way more documentaries. We didn’t even touch on the Pepsi commercial. You remember, he caught on fire. I was talking to my son about it, he literally caught on fire and half of his head burnt. And so then for the rest of his life he wore a wig. And so he looked weird. Just odd. And then he went to drugs, of course. So all these different things that lead up to it.

You see it a lot with famous people. I can’t imagine the stress. And imagine the stress of not being able to leave your home, and not being able to live a normal fulfilling life because all eyes are on you at all times. Horrible. So no wonder he couldn’t sleep. And of course, what is he going to do, he’s going to turn to drugs. A lot of these famous people turn to drugs. And it feels good, that’s the whole point. It’s the release, and you’re like, oh, I’m free from all the bullshit. Back pain’s gone now, I feel great. Look how many child actors become crazy drug addicts. Not to mention the world in Hollywood is just so messed up.

So my question then at the end of this is twofold. One, the pedophilia accusations, and then two, his death. I don’t think he was messing with kids. No. I don’t think he was messing with kids at all. I think that he obviously was a scarred, weird dude. But I don’t think he had any evil intentions towards children. I think he was in his own way trying to provide a joy that he never could experience. Came across weird. That interview that we talked about, that’s weird. I think he’s a socially awkward guy. Homie held his own kid off the balcony, he’s clearly a weird guy. And I think he was also on drugs.

You see that play out a lot. Think about Tyson. When did he get weird? After the money came in, Tyson got insane, he literally went crazy. Think about Britney Spears, when does she go crazy? The common denominator is you get big and then you get on drugs, and then you start doing weird stuff. So I truly believe that he was not touching or being inappropriate with children. Yeah, sure, he put himself in situations that could be misconstrued. But also, as a parent, what parent would let their 10-year-old sleep over at a grown man’s place without you being there? You have to look at so many holes in the story. Oh yeah, of course I’ll let my child stay. No. Over my dead body, are you kidding me? I’m going to be belted to my kid, strapped to my body, you’re not going anywhere.

And then obviously all the lawsuits that didn’t pay, all the criminal charges that weren’t charged, all the lawsuits that he won, and then all the clear cash grabs. No self-respecting parent is going to ask for money as opposed to trying to pursue criminal activity. If that is true, you are a piece of garbage parent and you don’t deserve to parent a child. If you’re going to ask for money to let it slide for someone assaulting your kid, forget you, you’re dead to me. I’d rather be poor and destitute than have somebody touch my kid. Who gives a care about money? And imagine, you drug your kid, how credible are you? Drug your own kid to coerce a confession, are you the CIA? He wouldn’t tell me so I had to make him tell me. What a loser. How disgusting can you be that you drug your own child, and then not only drug your own child, then just ask for money.

So now, I do think obviously he had the drug problem and all that, but I don’t know if the doctor was evil. Sony killed him, bro. You think it was more of an accidental death? I think so. I think Sony accidentally paid him to do it. I just think that when people that are rich and powerful are asking you, help me do this, give me the milk, the doctor probably just went against his conscience and he’s like, it’s MJ, how am I supposed to say no, I’m going to lose this gig. He needs to sleep, and it’s been 10 hours at this point, I gave him this and nothing’s happened. But he wasn’t watching. Negligible. I don’t think he was criminal, I think it was negligent.

Whatever, if you take an oath as a doctor, you violated an oath. Not to mention you gave him four other drugs already. How many Pams or lambs or Tams are you going to get this guy? And then you’re like, you know what, forget it, I’ll give him milk. First of all, why were you even holding the milk back? You’ve clearly been giving it to him for years. Now you’re going to hold it hostage. You probably knew he was going to kill him. That’s what I’m saying, I think Sony got him. So he got enough payment to just go to jail, do his time, and then go to Trinidad and Tobago. But it’s one thing to say it was negligence of a doctor, it’s another thing to say that Sony conspired. I think Sony conspired, that’s me, to buy the catalog. 100 percent.

I think they just did it to mess with him. Because they were such enemies that they were like, you know what, forget you, I’m going to buy this and own everything. But I can also see, if he actually owned 50 percent of Sony and the Beatles catalog. Imagine Sony’s trying to own the rights of some young talent, and MJ’s like, well, I have 50 percent of the voting rights, so no, you’re not going to do that. They’re trying to get some artist, and he’s like, you know what, I don’t think that’s cool, and they’re like, we need to get him out of here. I would like to believe that, but I don’t know. Hey, you’re entitled to your belief, Jorge. I’d like to believe you were an Eagle Scout. I would really like to, but I have no proof. No evidence. You got me. Allegedly.

So I agree, I don’t think he did anything weird. I think we’re on the same page now. Even if one of the situations was inappropriate, like, hey, I don’t need you to sleep with my kid in my bed, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that they did anything to each other. True, but it’s also like, even if one of the 14 criminal counts, even if just one, that would open the door to be like, yeah, okay, maybe he did. But 14, and he got raided and they never found anything, multiple times, over decades.

I do believe the guy should have gotten more time. Oh, for sure, 100 percent. I was watching a bunch of stuff on Matthew Perry and Prince. And it’s the same thing, it’s weirdly similar, where the doctor’s like, do you want it, buddy, I’m here for you. They throw out their entire moral compass. Your oath is to do no harm. And you’re willingly just dumping hardcore drugs. Money just makes you do stupid, crazy things.

I hate to say it, but this whole story got me real sad. I’m super bummed. Like the whole Michael Jackson story, at 50, he had so much more going. The good thing is, his music still lives, man. My kids are jamming out. So I have a giant massive work playlist, and every once in a blue moon it comes on, and I’m like, damn, it still hits, dude, it still hits. So if anything, I hope his stuff just lives on. You have the lasting impression.

Another point is, he was possibly the most influential person in the world at that time. The single most influential, if there was a decade where he’s the most famous person on the planet. Even ’85 to ’95, something like that. Imagine this, in the US, which is super politically charged, imagine if MJ was like, I publicly endorse this person. That person’s winning in a landslide, they get 100 percent of the vote. That’s the amount of influence that he had.

Last question. Most famous person of all time, Michael’s up there. He’s top 10 for sure. Most famous, recognizable person on earth, not just America or LA, but globally, has to be an artist or an athlete. Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson are easily both in the top 10. But we’re saying top five. Listen, we’re saying all time. You have to consider people like Alexander the Great, you were taught this stuff in school that everybody knows. You said all time. What about the guys who lived the earth? I don’t know if Alexander visits Atlanta. But the most known, you said all time. If you could have said the last 100 years, that would be more valid.

I just mean recognizable, MJ for sure, everyone knows him. Imagine you could be in a destitute village in Africa and they see Michael Jackson, they know Michael. It’s also like TV, nowadays we have social media. Good point. So it’s probably the last 100 years. Hitler, infamous, anyone would recognize him. You see the little thing, you know it’s him. He might be the number one most recognizable. So there you go.