Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. What’s up? What’s up my peoples? The whole crew is back. I’m finally back. Yes, Jorge is alive. Feeling better finally. Mhm. Went through some [bleep] for like a week. Legit. But we’re back. And uh you listened to Oh, yeah. I’m all caught up. I’m all caught up. Okay. So, he knows. He knows. He’s up to date with what we went over. You guys should be if you haven’t listened to episode one, go back. Yeah, there you go. Obviously, don’t start here. Don’t do it. Don’t start here. Yeah, that’s not make sense. There was a lot of cool stuff in that that first episode, though.

Bunch of stuff that I didn’t even really know um had happened. Like, you know, I didn’t even know the guy was an actor, like a famous actor or whatever. I knew he was an actor, but I thought he was a scrub. I thought he was like, famous from doing what he, you know, from what he did. that segment that we did uh is not in many other podcasts or of of his his level of fame and his family’s level of fame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was like a dynasty of like actors. Yeah. The Adam Driver comparison. Yeah. Yes. All right. Anyways, yeah, go back listen to that.

Uh where we left you uh was essentially the three things happened all at once. Uh yeah, the the the try the try attack. Yes, that’s right. Well, one didn’t actually happen because he he was like, “Fuck this.” He he uh lost his courage. He lost his his nerve or or maybe he gained a conscience, you know, one of the two or both. Exactly. So, at the end of the last episode, we were uh Booth had just jumped onto the stage, Sixseer, Tyrannis, uh and he was basically and and we were talking about how uh it was strange that nobody really did anything. Yeah. But then I made the super valid point of like suic myself.

I mean, these guys are all at a I mean, this is all like high society at a play. There’s not like any like hardcore. They got servants and [bleep] for like that kind of work. No, on top of that, I don’t know if it was you or someone else that was saying it like and I was like thinking to myself the same thing that it’s a play like they’re at a theater like it could be something going on on stage that you don’t know and you’re just trying to like So exciting. What a cool. There’s no special effects in that day. I know, right? This is the special effects.

Also, he was known for his stunts. Yeah, it’s like Michael Bay was known for his like uh I know you said his athletic acrobatics. Yeah. I mean, how much how many stunts can you do on a play? I mean, I guess you could. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like fight scenes in a play maybe. I guess. Yeah. A little John Wick. He’s like, “No, actually punch me.” John Wick 1865 with a [bleep] musket with the quick reload on the prequel. Okay. So, John Wils Booth made a daring escape from Ford’s Theater. As he limped out the back door into the alley, he retrieved his horse. Oh, that’s right.

Cuz he broke his fibula. Yeah, that’s right. Which the horse had been held during the performance by Joseph Burroughs, also known as Peanuts. His name is Peanuts. Was he like the sickopant? like the guy who’s like he was a he was a young African-American boy who worked at Ford’s Theater selling snacks and running errands, right? So, he wasn’t the guy who was part of like the conspiracy. He was just like a kid. This is the part that’s a little confusing. It’s a little confusing. Uh Booth paid Peanuts a small fee to hold the horse while he watched the play. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry. Wasn’t this guy super anti-N North, super south?

hated that that slavery was ending and he paid a black kid. Yep. True. That’s I mean whoa. I mean maybe he’s like that that dedicated cuz I’m like it doesn’t seem like that would be something a guy who’s so pro slavery to do. He would be like just do it. Yeah. Like do it now or just get a white dude to do. I don’t know. You know, and this this is why it gets a little confusing because uh Peanut said he had no idea Booth planned to assassinate the president. I highly doubt he knew. Yeah. And originally Booth asked Edmund Spangler, which was a stage hand, to watch the horse.

But Spangler said, “No, I’m busy.” So then he said, “Go to Peanuts and get Peanut to do.” So he was already there and he’s like, “I got no other choice. Let me pay this kid.” Yeah. To do what he needed to do. But again, here’s what’s weird is that Spangler got a lot of [bleep] later as being an accomplice. Ah m cuz even though Peanuts is the one who held the horse. Yeah. But but I mean obviously Peanuts isn’t going to like try to kill the dude who like freed his people. No, he’s not he’s not going to be like oh [bleep] you know General Lee is my hero and like like obviously so we don’t really know on that part.

Like we’ll find out later in the trial in the next episode of like who said what, you know what I mean? And who’s because remember and this is going to be a big part of this story is at the end of it we’re going to go there were some people that were tried, convicted, hanged. Yes. And there were some people who weren’t. So we’re also going to go is this too was this too harsh or was it not harsh enough? Yes. Exactly. Right. So yeah, there you go. Um little slap on the hand and Yeah. So Booth jumped on the horse, sped through the dark streets of Washington.

His goal was to reach the Navyyard Bridge and it was a wooden drawbridge over the Anacasia River and it was one of the few southern exits from the city. Okay. By that hour Washington was under a strict military curfew. Yeah. By that time they’re like someone trying to assassinate the president. Lock it down boys. No, but they didn’t know. So keep in mind things don’t it’s not there’s no Twitter. There’s no radio. There’s no like this is happen this is happening minutes after. Yeah. Okay. But there’s a military curfew because there it’s war time. Okay. Okay. The war just ended just and there was still uh like taking out the pieces and [bleep] like trying to Yeah.

For example, Roberty E. Lee surrendered at Appamatics, right? But he was the general of the Northern Army of the South. So there’s still other Northern Army of the South. No. So he was he was a general Northern Virginia. Yeah. So he was a general for the South, but of the the northern part. meaning like you need to get everybody he’s not like in Mississippi and they’re like you know [bleep] that we’re not done. So there’s still like insurgents and there’s still you know the the war ended like 10 days ago. Yeah. Okay. Good. Um so by that hour it was under strict military curfew. The curfew was 900 p.m.

Mhm. Okay. They closed the bridges at 9:00 p.m. Okay. You’re not allowed to go. Okay. Uh, bridges were guarded and civilians needed passes to leave the city at night. Uh, Booth arrived at the Navyyard Bridge a short time after the assassination. Uh, generally it’s agreed around 10:30. Oh, so it’s like it’s not like 9:05. No, it’s like it’s like an hour and a half later. Yeah. So that’s that’s a key point there. It’s like it’s not like it was like, “Oh [bleep] they just closed. Okay, fine. It’s late.” Yeah. The bridgeg’s guard post was manned by Sergeant Cobb of the Third Massachusetts Artillery. Cobb testified later that a lone horseman approached from the city side of the bridge and asked permission to cross.

Cobb challenged Booth. So he says in his testimony, you’re going to you’re going to get hanged, bro. And said, “Sorry, curfew. You’re not allowed to pass.” Yeah. Yeah. So Booth then supposedly put on his charm and confident demeanor, told Cobb he needed to cross to return home to his fiance in southern Maryland and claimed he had been in in Washington on personal business. Booth never mentioned the assassination. Well, yeah. Yeah. News of the shooting hadn’t reached. He’s like, “Yeah, news of the shooting hadn’t reached the guard post. Cobb hesitated knowing the curfew, but Booth’s composure convinced Booth that there was no threat. Booth’s composure convinced Cobb.

Right. Yes, there you go. He let Booth pass, noting that Booth was well-dressed, polite, and persuasive. But I could see that, but there’s conflicting stories. So, in shows or other documentaries, etc., they say he said his name was Booth. Ooh. And the guy was like starruck. Oh. He was like, “Oh, I’ve seen one of your plays, brother. My wife loves your plays. I He loves that. She loves you.” Okay. Yeah, of course you can pass. I mean, that that makes sense, though. Yeah. Now, in other other like this book doesn’t say that he says that he just I kind of put on his charm. I I think that’s way more plausible than like, you know, some like rando trying to like name dropping him.

No. Yeah. Some rando trying to smoo him and he’s like, “Fuck off.” And he’s like, “Oh, you know, John Mo.” And they’re like, Wait, what? Yeah. Say that again. It’s kind of strange. And this is what Katie was talking about in the last episode. She rage about it because do you remember David Herald? David Herald was the guide. He’s he’s the guide in the conspiracy and he was at uh the Secretary of State Seard’s house. Yeah. To to be the getaway horse. The Powell the goddamn. He literally stabbed like 12 people. He left Powell if you remember. Yeah. because the the servant came down and was like, “Murder, murderers.” And so he left Powell and he went to rendevous with Booth, but he also needed to cross that bridge.

They let him pass, too. Dude, these guards are [bleep] [bleep] Harold made his way by horseback to meet Booth outside the city limits, but he also had to cross the bridge. Cobb stopped him, said the same thing, but again decided he wasn’t a threat. And Cobb is in. Dude, Cobb is a is a double agent. Cobb is in on it for sure. 15 minutes later. I wouldn’t see the one thing. He’s just letting dudes go. One thing I’d be curious like 15 minutes they he doesn’t know what’s going on. He doesn’t know yet. No, but and hear me out. Okay. Did Cobb are these the only two people Cobb led over the bridge?

Did they turn anyone else away? Good question. Yeah, we don’t know that because then that’s I think that’s a real big indicator that he’s on the inside. if he turned everyone else away, but oh, these these two guys really, you know, gave me the business and I like Also, if I was writing a book or like on this, if I was like this, I’m going to dedicate my life to this, I would find out what the curfew law read. Oh, like how how strict it was. Yeah. Like like it was like and except for emergencies or like at your own discretion or or like recommended.

Yeah. Like if they have a weapon, no way. Or it’s like, you know, like a road a road’s closed to through traffic, but it’s like I live on the road. They’re like, “Okay, you’re good.” Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I uh you know, anyway, still sus. Yeah. [bleep] sus. So they both got across. Yeah. So cool. Yeah. Cool. It just is so frustrating because it defeats the point of of a guard stop. You have a military with guards. And it started because you remember the guard at Abee’s door. Yeah. He like he went at the bar. Yes. So it just starts with [bleep] negligence. Negligence. Negligence.

Negligence. You need three in a row. Yeah. You need three in a row to allow. Well, and as we say all the time, it’s like if it’s more than one, there’s more than two coincidences, it’s a [bleep] conspiracy. Okay. So, they got through the bridge. Their first stop around midnight was a place called Saratzville. Okay. Oh, yeah. And the Satzville is where is where the the uh the little the what what my wife what my wife calls the [bleep] Yes. The den mother. Yeah. The den mother. That’s where her her place is. And that’s obviously her family name is Sarra. That’s right. So they went to a tavern andor a boarding house.

Either you know I like tavern better so we’ll go with that. Um it was owned by Mary Surat. Booth had previously arranged for supplies to be hidden and stored there. Earlier that day, Mary Surat visited the tavern herself and told the inkeeper, John Lloyd, to have, and I quote, “Have the shooting irons ready for pickup.” The shooting irons? What the [bleep] does that mean? What’s a shooting iron? So, when I did look up shooting iron, just What does that mean? Like, guns? Why are they called shooting irons? I don’t know. Cuz they shoot iron. That’s all I could. Oh, you know what? Maybe. Damn, that actually makes a lot of sense.

She [bleep] got me. No, and I wanted to make sure that’s what it meant. So, I like looked it up. I was like, well, maybe maybe he’s going to do the back nine. I know. Get my irons ready, you know. Anyway, so that uh that was per John Lloyd. So, he testified that Mary Serat said that. Yeah. Which is extremely implicating. Oh, well she was I mean she obviously was like a a big player as you said logistical sports. I mean she’s When Booth and Harold arrived, they quickly collected a carbine rifle, ammunition, and field glasses that were hidden for them. They spent a few minutes there.

A chill a chilling detail since Mary Sarat’s role in providing these supplies would be a later evidence against her in court, meaning they were there for a few minutes. Mhm. And she was Yeah, she was she she you’ll find out later, but she she got a real bad Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. She got the worst uh conviction that you can get out of this situation. Anyways, uh so equipped for flight, Booth and Harold pressed on into the Maryland countryside. Despite his theatrical bravado, Booth was extremely in pain. His left leg was in agony from You can’t act that out. No. I’m fine. But so he was like, I at a certain point they were like, this is so much pain.

I need attention. Like I need medical attention. I can’t continue. And not to mention this is also like the 1800s. So it’s like it’s not homie’s like, you know, and the adrenaline’s like gone. Yeah, it’s gone now. So pain sets in. So they decided that the only nearby quote unquote friendly doctor was the farm of Dr. Samuel Mud. Oh, yeah. And Samuel Mud was he’s part of the Yeah. Yeah, that’s right. Uh it was 30 miles. Did you talk about that guy in the first I don’t know. We did briefly briefly again. So remember at the beginning we were like these are the the characters in this.

That’s all we talked about. We just said he’s part of it. He’s part of it and he’s kind of a sympa sympathizer. Yeah. Right. Um but you’re right. We didn’t really No, it was very It was like for like Oh yeah. Yeah. I was like, “Oh [bleep] I missed it.” Yes. So Dr. Mud’s farm was about 30 miles south of the theater. So that’s how far they’ve kind of gone. Yeah. So on horseback they’re like, “All right, 6 hours, boys. We’ll [bleep] be there.” They arrived around 4:00 a.m. to the mud farm. Okay. So this is six hours. Yeah. Wow. I can pull that out of my ass.

Yeah. 8 to 10 miles an hour. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a It’s a gallop. Yeah. It’s a gallop, you know, on a horse. A resident cowboy. You’re not You’re not going You’re not going all out. No, the horse by Yeah. I mean, you had to stop at the bridge a couple times, right? A little smoo. Um, okay. So, make your next vacation unforgettable on Royal Caribbean’s newest ship, Star of the Seas. It’s everything you’ve loved about every family vacation you’ve ever been on with mindblowing thrills at the largest water park at sea. Seven onboard pools for every level of chill. More than 40 ways to dine and drink, and even more to enjoy at our award-winning private island, Perfect Day at Coco K.

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Now, they did have a slave. So this a lot of this testimony is from the slave. How do they still have a slave? I thought they got freed. Well, I mean I Good question. I don’t know the answer to that. Yeah. I think they were paid. I think it’s again goes back to like they were paid slavery. Yeah. Like you know what I mean? Like there was no reconstruction yet. Yeah. They he they just got the paper. They passed it and they’re like we got to work out the logistics on like how to actually free everybody. Maybe I’ll maybe I’ll change the wording. uh servant.

Well, may No, I think this Well, this guy’s a sympathizer. He probably still had this. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. True. Um Okay. So, apparently Mud welcomed them like graciously. Like, it wasn’t like, who the [bleep] are you, my lord? Welcome back. Yeah. It was like, I recognize you. Yeah. Uh Mud brought them into the house. He spinted the fractured fibula and cut off his boots. right? Or cut off his boots, then splinted the fibula, gave him a shoe to fit over his swollen foot, then uh decided that they should rest for a few hours. Um so this is aiding a bedding a [bleep] murderer. Oh yeah.

So at that time uh so then he slept for a few hours, but his role would later become one of the most controversial parts of the case because Mud claimed later that he never recognized Booth. Oh, what a piece. He was doing his duty as a a doctor. Yeah. Helping out his oath. The oath of a doctor or whatever. Oh, the hypocratic oath. I mean, I don’t know if they had the hypocratic oath at that time. I’m not sure. Yeah. But something of the similar nature, right, where it was it’s like I got to help a a wounded bird or, you know, a wounded person.

Yeah. Yeah. I doubt it. That he said that he was simply aiding two weary strangers, one of whom had a broken leg. But everybody, I mean, this is pretty much a false thing because Mud knew him when they met. Mhm. Uh, and in fact, Mud apparently had been part of the kidnapping plot earlier. Yeah. Right. Aserat, remember the guy who pieced out like he he couldn’t like he drank and he didn’t do He didn’t kill He didn’t kill like the VP officer. Yeah. He’s supposed to kill the VP. He’s like, I’m [bleep] out. When they were caught, he did a confession and he folded so fast.

Okay, I’ll [bleep] tell you everything. And in his confession, he said that Booth sent liquor and provisions to the mud farm two weeks earlier. Oh, oh, yeah. This is Oh, yeah. So, this was the evidence that Mud said liquor. Yeah. Like, that’s we we’re going to need that. Yeah. Uh and he says, and I quote, “When Booth arrived at the house, Mud knew exactly who he was.” James Swanson, which is the author of the book that a lot of this is based on, notes bluntly, “It defies belief that a famous actor who had just assassinated the president could sleep in your own house and you wouldn’t notice or do a thing.” Mhm.

It’s almost like saying, using our last episode, it’s like saying Adam Driver was sleeping in your house and you heard that the president was shot. You know what I mean? And you never knew him or you know what I mean? You wouldn’t do anything or you would antennas like something doesn’t go off and like Yeah. And it’s also you’re like, “Come in. Come on in, my man.” Like, “Let me let me fix your leg. Why is your leg broken?” Okay. So, all evidence suggests that Mud, if he wasn’t part of the conspiracy, then he was at least complicit. Oh, he’s hating. I bet he’s he’s 100% 100% in it.

Yeah. Um, in any case, Booth and Herald spent about 24 hours at the mud farm and they lied low all of April 15th. While back in Washington, a storm of activity was beginning because [bleep] was popping off. Secretary of War. Can’t wait to see what kind of uh consequence he gets. What kind of Secretary of War Stanton uh was extremely close with Lincoln and he took it as like his personal Yeah. He’s like, I got I got to do this. taking these [bleep] are going to burn. And also an interesting part, a side note, if you wanted to dive more into the history of it, Secretary of War Stanton really didn’t get along with the new president, um, Johnson.

Johnson. Yeah. Who was a who was a VP? Yeah. And he was a little bit more lenient on slavery and he was a little bit more like like he almost stopped the reconstruction like almost all of it. So, and then which was literally like the [bleep] Yeah. totally against what Lincoln was. It was like that was like the lynchman of his [bleep] whole thing was like hell yeah like let’s do this. Exactly. So it’s it’s an interesting dive because he was also one of the first presidents impeached Johnson. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, uh that’s on a side. Uh but news of Lincoln’s assassination spread rapidly and by daybreak on April 15th, the federal government was mobilizing to to pursue the conspirators.

Now, they knew it was a conspiracy because there was multiple attacks at the same time. Yeah. That’s done on accident. Yeah. Yeah. Especially they were they were executing them at the same time, too. By this time, it’s like what? A couple days later, just one day one day, the next day. Yeah. So, everybody knows like what went down already. Yeah. And it’s kind of like like put it into perspective. Say you’re the leaders, like say we’re the leaders of America and we just won the war, but we haven’t kind of gotten all our ducks in a row of who like we couldn’t even find Jefferson Davis yet who was the quote unquote president of the South.

Yeah. So, we got the general to surrender the army, but it’s still chaos. But that was also just only one was like while he was like the main general, there’s still other high ranking officers and like smaller regimens. Yeah, there’s there’s other [bleep] going on. But if you can imagine, I would freak the [bleep] out and think that this is this is the government’s being overthrown. Oh, yeah. Well, the war’s back. The war’s back on. Yeah. So, this is absolute chaos. Uh, Secretary of War Stanton sent telegrams to military outposts ordering the rest of Booth and any accompllices. Uh, the War Department promised no mercy.

Anyone aiding the assassins would be treated as accompllices to murder. So it was like everybody’s getting it. Yes. Like you aid in a bed. You are Dude, that’s from you are the murder. You are the murderer. Yeah. I don’t know why I just like thought of that [bleep] 300 where he’s like no prisoners, no mercy. I’m like, hell yeah. Let’s go, boys. Massive rewards were announced. On April 20th, Stanton advertised a combined $100,000 reward. Oh my god. In the 1800s are likeions today. Millions today. I mean, I should have looked it up. What’s the uh conversion? But uh for the capture of Booth, Herald, and John Surat specifically, uh 50,000 for Booth, 25,000 each for Harold and John Surat.

And this is an 1850 1865. 1865. 1865 to the present. Oh, it’s 2 million. $2 million in today’s money. Yeah. $2 million. That’s a bounty, dude. I’d be like, “All right, boys. Motivate anybody. Let’s get the [bleep] get in the truck. Let’s go find us.” I wonder what the the highest reward ever offered by the government or the FBI is. I mean, that seems like it might be the highest. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, who else would be Dude, kill the president, bro. Lee Harvey. Well, Lee Harvey was on the run for like a day or like 12 hours, right? It wasn’t like it wasn’t even time to put out a bone.

I mean, that guy was so aloof. Like, oh my god. Uh, and then there was a proclamation and it said um and it asked all citizens to join in the manhunt. And it said, “Let the stain of innocent blood be removed from the land by the arrest and the punishment of the murderers.” Things are so [bleep] poetic. The stain of innocent blood. Every man should consider his own conscience charged with this solemn duty to catch them. You know what I mean? I love the old the old way of speaking. Now I be like, “Cut these bitches.” And what’s interesting, and we’ll talk about it a little bit more, is that Booth thought he was going to be a hero.

Oh, he definitely thought he was he was he thought he was going to be like the king. But everybody was outraged because it was a cowardice way. Oh, 100%. Yeah. You shoot a man in the back of it. In the back of the neck. Yeah. While he’s at a plane in front of his wife with his wife holding the hand. You know what I mean? Like that’s a Yeah. And then you stab like his homie like the major. God. Yeah. Uh a War Department wanted poster issued by uh Stanton on April 20th offered $100,000 um with Booth has his photo flanked by John Sat and David Herald.

Um again, anyways, uh the posters were put up blanketed across the country over the next couple days. On April 16th, the day after Lincoln died, the manhunt was fully underway. Uh but Booth and Harold had a head start obviously and we went over that and and he was um familiar with the terrain. Uh Harold was the reason why he had Harold was cuz he was like he was the guide. Yeah. Yeah. So he knows everywhere. It’s a uh southern Maryland was like a patchwork of swamps, thickets, and farm roads known to locals and Confederate sympathizers who had been smuggling. There you go. There it is.

And we’ll put that up there. Hor is showing a a the wanted poster. Yeah, we got to put it up. Instagram at least or Patreon. No, no, we’ll save it for Patreon. No, the other thing too is that’s interesting is like you have to think like they’re when they’re putting out this information like the the speed of information is so slow. So it’s in order to actually it’s not like you can put out like an an APB, you know, like an all points bulletin for, you know, for for these guys. You have to send you to send a courier to then relay this information. Yeah.

Like they it wasn’t like you just you know call up all the departments or like it’s just like you get an email and they’re like look for these guys. Yeah. So having a head start is like huge. Yeah. Yeah. Um Booth. So keep in mind too like this is where there were four years of war. So uh there’s rebel agents hiding and they knew how to smuggle. They knew the land. They knew you know. Well this is back to the point where it’s like you know the full reconstruction hasn’t happened. Like you still have guys who are like [bleep] this like pissed off. We just lost.

Of course we’re going to help this guy. Yeah. Exactly. He couldn’t have chosen a more friendly terrain because there’s a sympathizer like on every other farm. Yeah. You know, so they left the mud farm once night fell and they struggled through the Maryland backwoods. At one point they got lost in the dense swamp. The night was rainy and moonless and the pair became disoriented. They eventually enlisted the help of a local Confederate sympathizer, Oswell Swan, who guided them to the home of Captain Samuel Cox, another Confederate agent in southern Maryland. Their goal was to get the [bleep] to Virginia. Yeah. Like they they wanted cuz Virginia was almost like the line of Yeah.

demarcation for like South, right? You know, which is weird because it’s still like it’s north to us. It’s north to us, but like in that time it was divided. Yeah. Yeah. That time. Uh, Captain Cox did not keep the fugitives at the house long for fear of the Union patrols. Instead, he directed Booth and Herald to hide in a pine thicket near his farm. He contacted Thomas Jones, his foster brother, and another Confederate agent to take charge of the fugitives. Thomas Jones was a veteran smuggler who had Why are they laughing? This is Take 16, boys. Thomas Jones turned out to be a veteran smuggler who had run secret mail across the PTOAC and Jones was well-versed in eluding the calvary and the Union etc.

He met Booth and Herald in the Pine forest, brought them food, newspapers, etc. And uh he he got them to stay in the thicket for 5 days. It’s so funny. It’s like he gets home. You got to give him like entertainment. So like some newspapers like what are you going to do for 5 days in the wood? You’re like [bleep] At this point, this was when Booth found out that everybody was like he wasn’t the hero. No, he was like public enemy number one. Yeah. Like even the South was like this, you idiot. You’re so dumb. You just [bleep] it for us. We’re trying to negotiate good deals.

Well, it was only now that Booth fully realized the magnitude of his deed. Instead of being hailed as a southern hero, the press called him a madman, an assassin, a coward. Um he poured out his thoughts and he started writing in his diary and the diary is important. I wrote it in my diary. So we literally the diary was recovered. Nice. And we have a diary of booth thoughts in the thicket. Good. Yeah. So it’s an interesting I would like see how this plays out in the trials. Yeah. Right. Like oh so conf god damn it. Just to give you guys an idea, he thought he still to that moment thought he did right.

Oh, he was likeified. Yes. Killing the tyrant, you know. He says he says, “I have too great a soul to die like a criminal.” Okay. Well, you are a [bleep] criminal, bro. Yeah. But the idea or some say that in those writings of when he was in the thicket or the pine that he was not going to be captured like they got the vibe that he was I’m going to just kill himself. I’m going to go out or I’m going to kill myself. On the night of April 20th with Union search parties now combing over the areas, Thomas Jones judged it to be safe to move on.

He led Booth and Herald to the Ptoac River to a remote spot called the dense meadow. Under cover of darkness, they he gave him a rowboat and directed them to row across the PTOIC into Virginia. Jones gave them a rowboat, directed them to row across the PTOIC into Virginia. Almost like they felt like Virginia was like the Holy Land, the motherland. Yes. Um they attempted to do it pre-dawn, but it didn’t go smoothly. The river’s currents and Booth and Harold’s lack of knowledge and navigation made it so they rode in a circle. Oh my god. Can you imagine that? And they landed back in Maryland.

They’re like, “We’re here.” Oh yes. And they’re like, “Wait, what? Like is that is that your sandwich?” And then they start going north back up in DC. I feel like it’s something I would do. We made it, boys. come back to the same draw bridge and like [bleep] Anyway, so they they were not deterred. Frustrated, yes. But then they tried again the next day. Yeah. And then they got across. Now in Virginia, Booth felt a surge of relief. Wrote in his diary, “I’m safe in glorious old Virginia. Thank God.” But in truth, he underestimated the the fact that it was all America. I know this is all there’s no there is no South anymore actually.

Uh the manhunt was closing in and his ordeal was far from over. In Virginia, Booth and Herald were aided by some other Confederate sympathizers. Uh but the first one was the home of Dr. Steuart King or Richard King in George County. They expected hospitality, but they gave him a meal and said they were they were uncomfortable harboring fugitives. Yeah. Yeah. They’re like, “So they said get to step.” Yeah. We don’t want to get hanged for this. So that’s right. So they literally had a meal and left. Yeah. You should have turned him in for $2 million, dude. Hell yeah. We’re buying a a brand new [bleep] estate, baby.

Uh pretty soon they reach Port Conway. Now, this is crazy just how long this is. This is like these are days that this is a fugitive on the loose. Well, they’re also on [bleep] horseback. So it’s like Well, not even on horseback now cuz they cross over. on foot. Yeah. And uh at this point he thought he was like safe in the south. Yeah. Cuz he thought he’s instantly like So there’s one story where he uh they came upon rebel soldiers that were uh basically the rebel soldiers had to surrender, give up their arms and then travel north and sign a like pledge. Right. So they were coming across these rebel soldiers and he literally just was like I am John Wilks booth like almost like I’m your hero.

Yeah. Like I am your I want you to protect I’m your savior. Yes. So it was just kind of a weird thing and they were like [bleep] you. They’re like bro like eat a dick. They’re also uh like hey I just survived the war. Like I’m trying to get back into it. Yes. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. So, but it’s also like why like the more I think about it I’m like why did he wait till the war was over to like enact this plot like it would have been well he was wasn’t he trying to do it he was trying to do the kid that’s right and then it just kind of just didn’t work out didn’t work out he didn’t do it yeah uh so on the evening of April 24th he was then by Willie Jet a a soldier told to go to the Garrett family farm and the Garrett it was like a tobacco farm the family not realizing who they the guest was took him in kindly.

Yeah, I think that ran out. So they say again. I didn’t know who it was. So they say, I’ve never been to a play. Booth then had a chance to rest. But by bringing in local Confederate soldiers, he unwittingly left a trail. So he basically got one of the soldiers to tell him, “Hey, where’s the safest place to go?” Yeah, you’re you’re you’re adding more people who can talk. So then the the people on the trail started doing interviews and then they’re like, “Yeah, well, little Steve over there.” There you go. Meanwhile, the Union manhunt had shifted south. Initially, most searchers thought that he was still hiding in the swamps, but because of more evidence that came about, the Union calvary discovered Dr.

Mud’s farm. So, this is where the Union is at this point where they are behind. way behind. But stupid mud left the boots. So I don’t know why mud left the boots in the room. Idiot. Yeah, memorabilia. So the investigators found the boots or they basically started questioning him and they were like, “Okay, he they knew he broke his leg.” Mhm. They knew he needed a doctor. This was one of the only doctors nearby and or and he was in a pair of cut off boots. Yeah. and suspect sympathizer. Right. So, they’re like, “Okay, let’s dig in.” Yeah. And then they find these boots and then on the inseam of the boots, it says JWB.

Oh my god. I mean, again, it’s like the the MLK where he like [bleep] he left the bag. He left the bag. Not as bad as that, but sperm sample. Yeah. A telegram sent to Washington on April 24th relayed local sightings that two med had crossed the PTOAC. Uh so again now they’re catching up, right? And they dispatched another team of 26 men led by Edward Dhy Lieutenant and two detective officers. Anyways, they were headed they were one day behind Booth at this point. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. On April 25th, Lieutenant Dhy’s calvary detachment reached Port Conway where Willie Jet, which was one of the the soldiers that told him to go to the farm.

That’s when they found him, interviewed him, found out he went to Garrett farm. They’re now they’re hot on the trail now. So now they’re hours behind. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So now now the union these investigators or the the the the crew Yeah. the the 26 26 men are Yeah. They’re hours behind. Um the Garrett’s family hospitality booth only lasted around 1 to two days. Uh on April 25th, Richard Garrett had grown suspicious of the armed strangers that were now staying on the farm. So Oh, they were armed. Yeah. So they let them stay in the barn. That night he insisted that Booth and Harold sleep in the tobacco barn rather than the house.

Uh as he was growing uneasy. Yeah. Like this is going to Yeah. end badly for me. Yeah. It was a decision that set the stage for the final act of John Walk’s booth. In the pre final act, perfect. In the pre-dawn darkness of April 26, 1865, the Garrett’s barking dog signaled the approaching riders of Lieutenant Dhert’s Union Calvary. They had arrived and they surrounded the barn. Hell yeah, boys. Trapping Booth and Harold inside. Thus began a tense standoff in the flickering shadows of the old barn. Lieutenant Dhy’s men called out and demanded that they surrender. Booth, come out. We got you surrounded. David Harold, terrified and seeing the hopelessness of it all, dropped his weapon, stumbled out of the barn, gave himself up immediately.

Oh, for sure. That left John Booth. Yeah. Johnny Booth. Uh he was armed w with a carbine, a revolver, and a knife. Not enough to take out these guys. 26. No, maybe you get like two or three max. And then the Union officers and including uh Secretary of War Ed Stanton, he wanted him alive. Oh, they wanted him alive. They got to make they got to make a spectacle about it. It’s got to be They wanted trial. They wanted public. They wanted all of that. But Booth was in no mood to be taken. He shouted defiantly that he was not afraid to die. And in the darkness, he taunted the posi.

At one point, Booth appealed to the humanity of the detective, um, saying, “Captain, I’ve got but one leg. If you will withdraw your men 100 yards from the door, I will come out and I will fight you manto man.” Hey, it’s Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint’s offer of unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month is back. So, I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills, but it turns out that’s very illegal. Uh, so there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try at mintmobile.com/switch. Upfront payment of $45 for 3 month plan equivalent to $15 per month required.

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I have had half a dozen opportunities to shoot you, but I did not. Unsurprisingly, the Union officers refused to back away or even like engage in this conversation. Like, no. Like, the answer is no, sir. At a certain point, negotiations were going nowhere. Soldiers decided to set the barn on fire. I was I was hoping this would happen. Smoke him out. Smoke his ass out. Smoke him out. No one wants to burn it out. Trust me, he’ll come out. Even on crutches. I know. like [bleep] he’s going to hobble his ass out. Torches were thrown onto the hay and soon flames and smoke rose from the structure.

As the fire spread behind him, it illuminated Booth’s figure. He could be seen hopping toward the door. Some say, and this is again, this we don’t know the answer to this. Some say he was giving up. Some say he was branding weapons. He had his rifle in his hands and he was ready to do a suicide charge. During that moment, a sergeant by the name of Boston Corvette took aim through a hole in the wall of the barn and pulled the trigger. Oh [bleep] Oh wow. The bullet struck Booth in the neck about an inch below his skull. Strangely, the exact spot that Lincoln was shot.

Oh wow. What? Just like karmic retribution. Boston. His name is Boston. Boston Corbett. He almost went against orders. Oh yeah. Cuz they were trying to take him alive. So he did a little little little pillows. Yeah. And then pulled the trigger. And it’s strange like same same spot as Lincoln. Uh soldiers rushed in, dragged the paralyzed booth out of the blazes of the barn, and just as the roof began to collapse, they carried the the wounded assassin to the porch of the Garrett farmhouse. There in the early dawn light, they laid him out on a wooden plank. John Wils Booth, the once handsome, robust actor.

That was not like [bleep] up. The bullet had left him completely paralyzed from the neck down. He asked the soldiers to show him his hands. And when he saw them, he whispered desparingly, “Useless.” Useless. So melodramatic. The guy can’t help himself, can he? Those were the final words of he died. And then he died. Oh [bleep] Yeah. Useless. Useless. He died useless. Useless. It seems dramatic. That’s what I’m saying. It’s so melodramatic. But do you think it’s not real? I just think it’s part of the legend. You don’t think that he actually No, I the real I think he just was such a he had to be a showman in the end.

Yeah. Like you remember uh the when Abe died and they were like Stan said he belongs to the ages. Yeah. I think that was editing after the fact. You think so? It’s part of the legend, right? It was just like you got to like, you know, you know, history is written by the victors and like you want to, you know, he love the guy. You want to make him like im immortalized. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Or you’re telling campfire stories and you you he closed his eyes. He ged and he said useless. This one belongs to the ages. He g useless. I mean that was obviously they were like he took his last breath.

He breathe every breath he said I suck balls and they’re like that’s what he said. I heard him. Everyone heard him. It was eyewitness testimony. We all and it just keeps passing down. Yeah. There’s a I wonder though like in our own lives like if you write your story before you pass, you’re going to embellish it a little bit. Oh, for sure. You know, or like like this guy uh keeping diary. You mean in the D? Well, I’m just saying like you’re going to pump it up. You’re going to pump it up. You’re going to If like we ever do like an autobiography, I’m going to like jazz it up, dude.

That’s what I’m saying is I was an elite athlete and like just so like I was a rising star. I had 200 D1 offers like a rising star like only to be this was the age the age of the podcast and we were on top. I know. We started the revolution. We were number four in another country in Jamaica. But we were the top number four podcast. Just omit like the where it is. I’m going to write an autobiography. Yeah. Not now. I haven’t accomplished enough. We’re going to be in it. We’re going to be This podcast is going to be in it. But I’m going to I’m going to embellish it.

Yeah. Oh, of course you are. You already edit this podcast to death. make yourself literally like the hero. I was trying to think of a I was trying to think of like a a a name to call your autobiography that would make fun of you and I was like, you know, Eric receding through the ages just like my hairline. I’m just kidding. I love the time traveler. Eric. No, it’s Eric. Four times to forever. Eric. Uh, [bleep] are great. Solid. These are all great. Mankind can accomplish anything. The ingenuity of the ingenuity of mankind. Eric and the ingenuity of man. Anyways, so April 26, 1865, John Wils Booth died on the Garrett porch.

26 years old. Yeah. James Swanson put it. Um, the night at the Garrett farm was Booth’s last performance on the American stage. H even in his final moments, Booth behaved theatrically as we just talked about dramatic uh he refused to surrender. He he was looking for a grand fiery exit rather than a trial. In his mind, he died a martyr. Yeah. So, he wanted to be like a I want to immortalize myself. Not a criminal, but a a hero. Patriot. Patriot. Yeah. Yeah. I feel bad for the Garretts, though. I was like, what? How do they explain that? I don’t know how I got here.

Listen, boys. I’m I’m all for Love the North. Don’t Don’t worry about that barn. You know what? It’s It’s on me. That one’s on me. It’s an accident. I don’t even know who he was. The Union soldiers searched his body, found his diary, they found uh about eight photographs of girls. So he was a random girls like we don’t know. I mean I mean were there like some say he was just a promiscuous he had many girls. Well, he was an actor. Yeah. He’s like he’s like the Leo of his time. Mhm. Yeah. Uh but again th those reports are some say it was four pictures, some say it was eight, some say you know what I mean.

And yeah, history’s a a fickle one, isn’t it? Like you never know what’s really happening. Mhm. Um and other personal items. Booth’s corpse was taken back to Washington for identification through dental and medical examination. It was confirmed to be Booth. He did get a uh the coroner did say it was Booth. Okay. Yeah, that’s good. But later conspiracy theorists said it wasn’t. Oh, like he was such a good actor, he acted a different body. Or or again, it kind of goes along the vein of like Bin Laden’s body. Well, the Bin Laden’s body, they threw it into the sea. I know, but I mean Yeah.

And some say that um uh Stanton uh the the secretary of war wanted him to be not memorialized. So like a hidden grave. Yeah. Just meaning not even a grave. Just like Yeah. They didn’t want his body like you know you know what I mean? Like Yeah. to be I don’t know. Let’s throw him to the Yeah. Like no stone. Yeah. He doesn’t get he doesn’t get like the the proper send off. But apparently that his body was buried in an unmarked grave so nobody knew about it but then later was move moved to the Booth family plot. Oh, I was about to say like cuz you know like we would have gone to see it when we went to DC like when to Yeah.

Virginia or Boston or like we would have I’ I’d be like I got to see it. But again moved to Washington. Well, but well went to Washington then was buried in an unmarked grave and then the Booth family says they recovered it and then put it into the Booth plot. So there is a Booth plot but it’s all the it’s the actors the family plot. Yeah. So, with Booth dead and Harold now in custody, the manhunt ended. But Secretary Stanton’s determination to root out all of those that were involved in the murder was just ramping up. As he said when offering the reward, the land had to be purged of the stain of in innocent blood.

And attention now turned to those who were captured and those who should be punished for being a conspirator. Everybody that contributed. Everybody that Yeah. All contributed in any way. Yeah. They’re like starting with the Garretts. Yeah. Get your [bleep] ass in the in the carriage. Yeah. and theats and the Anyways, we’re going to go over that uh here. So, in the hours and days immediately following Lincoln’s assassination, Union authorities acted swiftly to round up everyone connected to Booth’s plot, DC was placed under martial law. Oh [bleep] Roadblocks and checkpoints sprang up even more so. Even though Well, hopefully they work this time. I mean, they clearly they were like super like loosey goosey before.

Within 24 hours of the actual shooting, police and soldiers arrested dozens of suspects, some innocent, some not. They just arrested everybody. Like, [bleep] it. Yeah. By the end of April 1865, all key conspirators except John Serat were all caught and imprisoned, awaiting trial. So, this is who they arrested. Okay. Yeah. Lewis Powell. Yes. That I mean, Jesus, that guy the knife toing That guy was the savage. [bleep] the ripper of 1865. I mean, he was ruthless. Was he one of the ones that had a bounty on him? No, he didn’t have a bounty, but like he There was three of them. Yeah, there was it was Powell.

No, I’m saying it was Booth. Uh John Surat, the son of the uh the Den of the Denmother. The Denmother. And then the the Harold Harold who was like the guide. The guide. Oh yeah, that’s who had. But after cuz after Powell like stabbed up that whole house, like all five of his homies kids and him, then he just like disappeared. So after his bloody attack on Secretary Seward, Powell got lost in Washington. He literally like wandered around and got lost covered in blood. Remember he like stabbed eight people, dude. Literally. You don’t have some blood on you. Like all blood. Yeah. Uh he left wandering the streets alone.

No escape plan. No getaway horse. Astonishingly or stupidly, he returned to Mary Sarat’s house. I’m just gonna go back to the I’m just go back to the halfway house, brother. Around midnight on April 17th, at the very moment that the police were then arresting Mary. He stumbled in. He walks in. He’s like, “Hey, Mary, I’m back.” He like, “What?” He wandered in with a pickaxe and he pretended that he was a laborer who had come to dig a gutter. The officers were like, “What the [bleep] covered in blood, bro? It’s not blood. It’s mud.” You understand? It’s It’s mud. It’s red. And And an important part of the trial is that Mary Surat when they said, “Who is this?” She said, “I do not know him.” Yes, you do.

So, he was detained. Obviously, confessed immediately. I’m surprised he didn’t try to stab the cops, dude. Like [bleep] And then he was put in jail. Oh, so he did confess immediately. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, that’s the first guy. Uh, then there’s Atarat. Uh, he was the coward. I don’t want to call him coward because maybe we don’t know if it was cowardice or there you go. Yeah, correct. So, on April 14th, um, investigators found evidence including a loaded revolver in a hotel key linking Adserat to the Kirkwood house and witnesses saw him there. He fled Washington but was caught on April 20th hiding at his cousin’s farm and he was brought back to DC in shackles.

Okay. So, he’s arrested. David David Harold. He’s the guy. The guide. He gave himself up at the barn. That’s right. Okay. So, Harold surrendered at Garrett’s farm like you said. Uh he was taken back to Washington under guard. He would face trial alongside the others. Some say he was somewhat bewildered and many saw him as a follower, not any sort of instigator, but he he wasn’t the mastermind, but he was like a he was just like a dude and he was a young guy. He was like 21, 22, so he was like Yeah, he was like a a younger man, you know, like almost like influenced I know by the [bleep] pizzazz.

He’s like, you see all these pictures of these [bleep] I got in my diary? You want some of this dog? You trying to be like me? Want to be like Mike? That’s right. Uh then Mary Serat, right? And we had talked about uh Powell was arrested. So she was being arrested at that moment. She’s got to go down. So she was arrested at 11 p.m. on April 17th at her boarding house. Detectives had converged on her home because they knew it was a meeting place for the group that was part of the conspiracy. Mary denied everything, of course, but the arrival of Lewis Powell during her interrogation, literally, it’s like the most damning thing ever.

That’s right, was a damning piece of evidence. It strongly suggested that she or at least her house was the center of the web. Yeah, it’s like the worst. You’re like, I don’t know what you’re talking about. What are you like, I don’t know these people. Dude walks in smothered in blood. and she was the first woman uh to be charged in this magnitude and I mean I don’t want to give you so she was arrested thrown in prison. Yes. Yeah. Shackled. Shackled. Um I wonder how they did they have like segregated prisons back then. No. Hell no. Oh, she’s in with the boys. Yeah, she’s in with the boys.

Oh my god. That’s must have sucked for her. They’re like, “Oh, what do we have here, gentlemen? Oh, it’s lights out.” Okay. Also, uh, and then Dr. Samuel Mud was arrested. Oh, good. [bleep] that guy. Initially, after Booth left his farm, Mud did not report the visit. Of course, he didn’t, cuz he’s [bleep] guilty. When authorities finally reached Mud’s farm by evidence of their black servant, who said Booth was there, yes, Mud lied to investigators, claiming not to even recognize him, but then evidence came out that he knew him beforehand. It’s like, okay, I might have potentially recognized he was Yeah, he was in character, so he’s really good.

So, Mud was Didn’t he get like [bleep] sent to him beforehand or whatever? Two weeks ahead supposedly, right? And Yeah. Anyways, and Mud was arrested as a collaborator who gave him medical aid in Safe Haven. Um, then there was somebody by the name of Samuel Arnold. He was tracked down via letters found in Booth’s trunk implicating him in the kidnapping. H. Oh, so he was part of like the original kidnapping. Yeah, that’s right. Arnold was arrested on April 17th in Virginia where he was working. He freely admitted involvement in the kidnapping plan, but said he had nothing to do with the assassination. Oh, sorry buddy.

Nonetheless, he was sorry, you’re going down. Okay. And then there’s Michael Olaclin. Uh, he actually turned himself in in Baltimore. And like Arnold, he also admitted to being involved in the kidnapping, but not the, you know. Yeah. Well, yeah, the US government is not gonna give We’ll see what happens with the with the trials, but they probably thought like, oh, well, I’m wasn’t part of the part of this. I’m going to get off. I mean, you are part of a kidnapping, right? Yeah. But, but the fact that no kidnapping happened, True. It’s like what do you But if you and if us three like were like, we’re going to kidnap It’s called Sydney Sweeney.

Not even [bleep] we’re going to treat her real nice. Don’t worry about it. It’s got to be a brutal kidney. Very nice. But then we don’t do anything. Luxurious kid. Just going to get to know us too. I know. You want some? Some bath water. Some champagne. We get to know each other. We just want to talk. I just want to connect with her. I just want to connect a vibe on a real level. Yeah. I want to get to know her. No, but you hear uh Tom Brady’s now. That can’t be real. No, but if Oh, it’s real, dude. But if he doesn’t be real.

I mean, does that solidify him as the goat of all goats? Tell Tell everybody what you’re talking about. They don’t know what you’re talking about. So, uh Tom Brady was reportedly like uh hitting on and hanging out with and whatever. Uh at Jeff Bezos’s wedding. That’s right. Sydney Sweeney. Yeah. See, but so they’re like 20 years apart. Who? But I mean, can he hit a home run every time? I mean, apparently. So, apparently Tom, all he does is win. He could hit a touchdown anytime. Yeah. I’m I’m telling you, like this this will end the GOAT debate. If if he [bleep] lands it, I’m sorry.

Like, J MJ, you’re going to have It’s It’s Tom Brady. It’s Tom Brady. That’s a good point. Just in the overall life just in the just life winning. He like he’s literally he looks 10 times better than he did 20 years ago. Yeah. I mean he knows how to do he [bleep] all he does. No, but that that’s money. She’s rich. Money makes no but money. No. Okay, let let me just It’s not like she’s like a broke [bleep] Let’s say our Let’s say our podcast like really took off and then Eric looks like honestly you have no idea how much different we would have.

True. I’m going to be so Oh my god. Eric will look like Fabio. Yeah. Eric’s going to have 12 inches of hair. Uh anyways. Okay. That was a not related to this. Weird turn there. You’re the one that started talking about sweetie. Sorry. Yeah. Uh but then then uh the last person that was arrested was Edmund Spangler. Okay. Do you remember Spangler? I remember Spangler. He was arrested on April 15th, a day after the assassination. Fellow theater employees implicated Spangler as the one who held Booth’s horse and possibly helped him get out the door. Yes. But remember it was confusing because Peanuts didn’t Yeah, cuz then he Spangler like pondered off to Peanuts.

That’s right. Probably to give himself an alibi. Yeah. But see, I wanted to say though about the guys who were involved in the kidnapping plot who obviously the kidnapping didn’t happen. It’s still considered criminal conspiracy cuz if you’re legitimately you have a plan of execution of doing a criminal activity, you can still be charged. Yeah. But is it is it the same crime? No. It’s not as a low sentence. Yeah. It’s not a high of a level of like doing it. Yeah. But it’s still it’s still but but that crime didn’t go through. So like is it still No, because you were literally trying it’s it’s called like it’s a criminal conspiracy.

Yeah. But but hear me out. You were still like imagine if like you’re like hey like we’re gonna plot to kill this person but you get stopped beforehand. It’s not like oh I’m off we didn’t do it. It’s like you were going to do it. Let’s talk about the ethics of it. So let’s say us three were like we hate this guy and we’re going to kill him and we actually plan it. Yeah. Like we we we have okay Friday this do all this 100%. But for what? For a criminal conspiracy. And but you only get a couple years. charges a criminal conspiracy. I don’t know what I don’t know what the years is, but that’s literally it’s like it’s you’re planning it wasn’t just like an idea.

No, if you just say like this person sucks and like they’re an [bleep] Like that’s not a crime, but like you thought that they hire like a hitman to take out their wife or it’s it’s attempted murder almost. I think so. Almost. No, it’s attempted murder. Yeah, it would be attempted murder. Yes, for sure. Especially if they have plans formulated. It’d be one thing be like No, that’s what I’m saying. Like saying something off the cuff is not the same as like you literally have a plan. Like this is what we’re going to do. This is how we escape. This is the [bleep] letters we have.

You know, there’s there’s proof that they were actually like going to do it. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. All right. There you go. So, by late April, eight primary defendants were in custody. Mary Surat, Lewis Powell, George Adsurat, David Herald, Dr. Mud, Samuel Arnold, and Michael Aglaclin, and Edmund Spangler. Mhm. The government was convinced this group constituted Booth’s conspiracy. John Serat was still at large. Okay. Okay. And he was the son of the son of the chick who got arrested. Secretary Stanton and the new president, Andrew Johnson, were determined to make an example of them and ensure maximum punishment. Yeah, maximum. Given the exceptional nature of the crime, an attack on the government itself, authorities decided the conspirators would be tried by military tribunal.

[bleep] yeah. Not like a regular court. Not by a court. Not by a jury of your peers. Yeah. Jury of military [bleep] Wish we had that these days. I know. The tribunal. Have you you haven’t Well, you haven’t you haven’t heard [bleep] about you haven’t heard [bleep] about the people that try to assassinate Trump, have you? No. Not a not a drop not a one word. It’s cuz he’s dead. Well, no. The multiple there’s another dude who tried to as well at his golf course, but it’s not like related to the guy in in Well, it’s not still tried to assassinate. So, No, I know, but it’s not related to the to the first guy.

Yeah, the first No, no, no. Well, that we know of. Yeah. I Okay, so let me just finish this and then I’m gonna see if I’m gonna see if we’re on the same page. Yeah, this was controversial since civil courts were functioning and some argued the accused deserved a civil trial. Not a there none of them are military. Yeah, I I agree with the military tribunal, but the administration feared that a civilian jury in Washington might be too lenient. Yeah. Too sympathetic, too. Well, I mean, just like maybe like two years in prison sounds good, right? And or they were worried about like getting off on a legal loophole.

Oh, yeah. Oh, true. Yeah. Or it’s like maybe you get like some people on the thing or who are sympathizers with with the South and they’re like, I kind of like slaves. A military court marshall would uh would operate swiftly and under looser evidentiary rules. Oh, yeah. For sure. So, you don’t need as much. Yeah. The mil the military court’s very different. Are you are you like guilty until proven innocent in military? No. No, you’re still you’re still innocent. Okay. But but the it’s not by the judge. It’s Yeah. The judge makes the It’s Well, it’s a tribunal, so it’s a tribunal. So there’s it’s like there’s like a a small group of people who make the decision, but it’s not a jury.

It’s just a bunch of judges. Yeah. And and they’re like, “We decide what your [bleep] fate is.” But the government chooses who’s the who those judges are. 100%. Yeah. Well, it’s all done by the government. It’s all It’s all jury is randomized. Yes. Yeah. To an extent. Yeah. What happened to So you like that better like trial by our peers. Well, dude, this is this is 1865. This is 1800s. I mean like this is a different time. Like they just killed the dude who like literally was like everybody’s enraged like the whole country’s up in arms. Just won a war. I gotta say I gotta say right out the gate I don’t agree with that.

You you think it should be a jury is what you’re saying. Jury. Yeah. That’s what we’re built on. That’s what this country is built on is that you’re not you’re not beholden to a military judge saying [bleep] you and you don’t think it’s all Confederate uh generals or not generals, but like weren’t they part of the military? One of them was. No, but here think of think of it this way. Like was never part of the military. But but think of it like in this way like the in their minds most likely they’re seeing this as a military action, a coup. It’s exactly it’s it’s it was a plot to literally destroy the government.

So therefore they just finished this war [bleep] uh two weeks before two weeks. Yeah. and and now you have someone who’s literally trying to take out three of the three highest ranking members of the US government. Collapse the government. It’s a little different if they like shot a dude cuz they got pissed off. Like obviously you’re not going to have a military [bleep] tribunal, but you try to kill the president, the vice president, and the secretary of state. Yeah. I’m sorry. It’s a military matter now. Yeah. Like, okay, you’re in a war time. Washington DC was already on a [bleep] uh what do they call it?

a a military [bleep] uh curfew. Yeah. So, it’s like shit’s still on like wartime, right? Like, and then Washington DC went into [bleep] martial law. So, when martial law get instituted, it doesn’t [bleep] matter what you think is cool. It’s martial law now. So therefore, all right, by the law, if it’s martial law, the the the government and military have complete control. 100% control. Yeah. Okay. So, that’s why I think they did it. All right. I’m not saying like yeah like today if like that would happen it probably wouldn’t happen and then yeah you’re looking at it through like 2025 the lens of 2025 it definitely wouldn’t happen for sure.

Yeah. Okay. I guess we Okay. Okay. It would not it would not happen today. It would not happen today. I don’t usually get turned by Sean. He’s literally going to go and tell his wife. He’s like Sean’s full of [bleep] No, but I I thinking about it and going, okay, like let’s say it happened today. It would not happen today. There’s no way. There would not be Let’s just say let’s just say it happened today. Like somebody was trying to take out somebody took out tried to take out Trump Vance. Vance and uh Marco Rubio. Yeah. Rubio. Yeah. All at the same time. And Trump died.

Would it be a military tribunal? Probably not. No, I don’t think so. I do. You think so? Well, oh, cuz we’re not war. No, no, no. But here’s the thing. I don’t think it would be military tribunal, but I don’t think any of them would be taken in alive. They wouldn’t be like, “Take them alive.” They would just be like, “Kill on site.” No, I’m talking about the eight conspirators if Booth was killed. No, but I’m saying both to not be killed. No, they would they would all be resisting. Yeah. Yeah. Hunter guaranteed there’d be a lot of resistance and they would all be [bleep] killed.

Whoopsy da they resisted. If it was the same circumstances where you killed the the shooter and then you had conspirators wouldn’t be a military tribunal. It wouldn’t. I mean, look at [bleep] Yeah. It wouldn’t be. There’s no way. Yeah. I think they like even even for example, it’s like [bleep] um uh homie who killed [bleep] JFK. Well, supposedly killed JFK. Yeah. Lee Harvey Oswald. There wasn’t a military tribunal. He was going No, but he was killed before, but he was going to get a trial, but he was going to get a regular trial. There wasn’t a military tribunal. It was a regular trial. Also, uh James Ray got a trial.

Exactly. MLK, he shot MLK. But obviously MLK is not a not a government. Sir, uh Sirhan Sirhan got a trial. Exactly. Yeah. But we’re talking after appeal. I mean, Sir Han Sen killed a presidential candidate and he was he was a attorney general. So he’s not like he is he is a government figure. It wasn’t a con. Yeah. I mean Well, it was a conspiracy. Well, obviously, but it wasn’t a conspiracy to take out the government. Well, he wasn’t he was a governmental figure, though. Yeah. But I’m saying with with with MLK, he’s obviously he’s obviously a very pivotal figure in America, but he wasn’t in the government.

So therefore, it’s like you can’t really a pivotal government position. But if there was like if say if we were at war right now Yeah. and then someone assassinated Trump, that do it would be military tribunal for sure. If you’re in war times, that’s an act of war. So if this was like it’s an act of war. If this was like right around 911 and they killed Bush. Oh dude, if military well they actually they’d be going to Guantanamo. Straight to Guantanamo. That’s a good question because that was war. That was quote unquote war time. Straight to Guantanamo. Yeah. Yeah. You have no rights. You have no [bleep] No, that’s they would be like we never found him.

He’s getting tortured to death. Who are your [bleep] conspirators? That’s right. Yeah. So, I think it’s it depends. Like I think if you are in wartime, there is merit for that because it is, let’s be real, it’s an act of war to try to take out the three highest people in the government when you’re in wartime. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It’s not like This episode is brought to you by Greenlight. Get this. Adults with financial literacy skills have 82% more wealth than those who don’t. From swimming lessons to piano classes, us parents invest in so many things to enrich our kids’ lives. But are we investing in their future financial success?

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Colgate Optic White. Find it at all major retailers. Yeah. You know, he [bleep] your wife and you’re like, you got to die. Yeah. Okay. I have a I have a hard time really getting like wrapping my head around this [bleep] rag tag group of [bleep] misfits who were able to pull this off. Like, isn’t it doesn’t that seem like odd that they were able to pull this off time of no secret service? Yeah, true. First of all, laxidasical bridge guards, the laxidasical, the presidential guards. Yeah. no kind of uh uh technology. There’s no radio. There’s no cameras. There’s no there’s no internet. There’s no cell phone.

Even the gun was like one shot. You got a one shot than a blade. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it’s easier, I guess, in that time to get I know, but it still seems so I guess it’s so Are we leaning towards Are we leaning towards this is just a band of people, not a major conspiracy? I think it’s where you at right now. Major conspiracy for Oh, dude. I’m definitely thinking especially because, you know, they were conspiring first for the kidnapping. They had like meetings like, you know what I mean? This was planned for a little while, I feel like. And well, you know, based on the what we talked about and the evidence and all that, they did conspire to do the kidnapping.

Yeah. So then, you know, obviously the war ended and they got to like I think the guy just went [bleep] psycho like ah like I got to take this guy out. Yeah. like just his, you know, his hatred emotion just took over and [bleep] see that’s why I think I think that James Booth was was he’s like he’s James Booth John Wils John sorry James Earl Jones you know great guy anyways Booth I think he was like you know he’s like the asset like he’s the one that you like initiate because no so he wasn’t the head no because the guy behind everything he thought that he was actually going to be a martyr.

And I think he thought that so hard because he had someone being like, “You don’t understand what you’re doing for us.” Like, “You’re going to be the [bleep] face of our [bleep] movement.” And they’re like, they knew this [bleep] guy was going to get [bleep] like killed. They knew he was never getting out. But they’re like, “Sick. If we can get him to do it for us, he’ll get killed. It’ll never come back to us. Who gives a shit?” Like, but you can make a guy who’s that passionate, especially like he clearly was passionate about his beliefs. You can you can [bleep] rev that guy up to do something crazy.

Yeah, it’s true. Like there’s always somebody there’s always somebody like behind the scenes pulling those funding. We’re going to [bleep] worship you. You will literally be like what his you know how to push the buttons on him for sure. They were [bleep] slamming it on him. Okay. And then uh la I have a I have a question which is that I I want you guys to go through let’s go through the eight people who are arrested. Okay. Before so just so our audience knows they don’t know I mean they know a little like I don’t know who got hanged. I don’t know any I don’t know we don’t know.

I just want like based on what you know you know the whole story now. Yes. Yeah. But what should they get before we go into So part three just so you guys all know is the trial. Yeah. and the conspiracies. So, right now I want to know Garretts get hanged. So, Garretts Garretts aren’t even arrested. They should be arrested. No, they get arrested, bro. Remember the eight people? Yeah, the eight people they were not were not in. I Which is [bleep] insane to me. I thought they did get arrested. So, Lewis Powell. Oh, dude. He’s got I mean, Powell should just get like beheaded like is the biggest piece of [bleep] So, Lewis Powell is the the the knife.

the guy who kned everybody everybody. He definitely kned four of his knifed sons. He knifed the nurse. He knew and then shot at the same time. Okay. Then there’s Adserat. So he was the guy who was supposed to kill Johnson, but he drank and he was like, I lost my nerve. I think life in prison. Okay. Life in prison for Azeroth. Yeah. Okay. Not hanging. No, he didn’t do anything. He p he Well, he I say puss. So close. So close. Stop saying life in prison. Like if it wasn’t for him, would it even happen? Life in prison. No. Hang. Hang. Hang. Hang. Hang man.

Baby. So Mary Sherro. Oh, hang for sure. Hang. Hang. Hang. Hang. Hang. That [bleep] I think she was But she didn’t. Dude, she was a pseudo mastermind. She was [bleep] plugging this all. She sent her [bleep] son away. You know, she sent her son away. Oh, get out of here, sweetheart. Like, dude, she [bleep] She’s getting hang her ass. Yeah, she’s getting hang. I think she’s not getting hang. But I hang What does she deserve? What does she deserve? Hang. I’m going to go life, bro. You in prison. Yeah. Life. Okay. Whoa. What? Bro, she had She had No, shut the [bleep] up. No, shut up.

She just [bleep] like she put a couple iron eyes there. No, shut the [bleep] up. Just a couple little little bit of heart relay. You literally Jorge thinks Jorge thinks the dude who didn’t who who couldn’t go through with it should get should get hang but the chick who logistically made it happen should get life in prison. She would not she [bleep] made it happen. She remember she had the thing but she’s going to get the worst she get the [bleep] the gun irons on. Like what the [bleep] But I think she’s going to end up getting the worst of everything because I don’t know just because she’s a woman.

Because it’s a woman, I think I bet you she’s going to get like Explain to me your logic why she doesn’t deserve to get hanged. And homie who [bleep] like I can’t do this. This is bad. Hang. I don’t know. What the [bleep] No. No. Like, so what do you think? You think she should get life? He already said life. Your life. Okay. That’s ridiculous that she deserve to be hang. You guys are both I mean I was like I just said I just had two hangs. I just had two hangs and it’s like now I’m like I’m like at the I’m at the third person.

I’m like that’s enough hanging. Except but the dude is like I’m supposed to do this but I can’t do this. I’m going to go get drunk instead cuz I can’t go through with it. Hang. No, but he didn’t do anything. I know he’s on it. She did. She did something. She did so much [bleep] She facilitated all of this. They went to her spot right after they killed his after the bridge. after they killed her and they got a weapon. I know. They got guns from her. That’s true. That’s true. But like life in prison is like six months early parole work program. House arrest.

Work program. House arrest. 24 hours of community service. And then a brothel work program. A work release. Look, it’s going to suck, but you’re going to like it better than death. Mhm. Okay. Uh, David Herald, which was He was the guide. Hanged. Hang. He’s the guide. You’re just hanging everybody, dude. Coming from Okay. They killed our president. They killed our president. Dude, he was the guide. He was the [bleep] He was the getaway driver. Like without They didn’t have cars. He was the getaway driver. Like, that’s what his role is. Did you give him anything for giving up? No. No. I would give up. You have 26 armed men around you in a barn.

You’re like, “The barn’s on fire. the parts. Uh, don’t give up. Oh, no. He’s No, he’s getting hanged. Yeah, he’s just as much as That’s a hang though. He’s a getaway driver, bro. I feel bad for him. Yeah, I’m all right. I don’t get driver. Okay. Dr. Mud, I think he should get at least 30 years. Okay. At least. Okay. No hanging. Wow. Because he he helped afterwards. He didn’t He has a good defense. He can hide behind his like medical oath. quote unquote. No, but No, but he lied saying he didn’t recognize him, but his proof that he knew who he was. Yes. So that’s why I’m like 30 years.

He’s getting 30. That’s good. 25 to life. 25 to life. Good. 25. Okay. Hy. Uh definitely. No, I wouldn’t say hang. I would say [bleep] it life. Like he he’s he’s got a he he definitely knew what was up. He knowingly he know but I do think he has a good defense behind the medical o. So I don’t think if I was if I was in a jury I wouldn’t be like oh this guy’s a tribunal don’t like hey everybody’s already [bleep] convicted before this you believe him in any way. Hell no. He’s full of [bleep] He’s so full of [bleep] I do I god damn it.

I do. I do. When did you get so [bleep] soft? Like maybe he like knew him but not really. Yeah. I don’t think he was like part of the whole kidnapping conspiracy first of all cuz you’re not going to plan for some like medical emergency if you’re kidnapping. It’s 4 in the morning. I don’t know if I would recognize Sean at 4 in the morning. Yeah. Coming in my Are you the dude that sent me the booze and and and [bleep] rations? I don’t know. Be celebrity. I’m already drunk. I’m already drunk off the whisies. Who is this? Uh, okay. Uh, what about you? Yeah.

What do you think? [bleep] It can’t just be us. I think his good question. I think most of his life. Okay. Not I don’t know how old he is. He’s probably like 30. I said 20 years. Yeah. I’m with the 20 years. You know what I mean? Where I can I can live that name of that. Yeah. Uh Samuel Arnold. What What the [bleep] He was arrested as being part of the kidnapping. He was not really even part of the story. Okay, I’m gonna say like 10 years 10 to 15 years. Yeah, that’s awesome. He wasn’t a part of the murder. He was but he was conspiring to kidnaps 10 like we were talking about earlier.

Like he was he’s definitely uh guilty. He’s guilty for sure. I’m going to go a little lenient. I’m going to go five. Really? Five. Five with the work release program of of conspiring to kidnap the US president. Say that again. Yeah, but he didn’t. Yeah. 10 to 15. Let’s go 10 to 15. Yeah. 10 to 15 sounds good. Uh okay. Okay. And then also is Mlaclin. So, but it’s the same thing. The other guy that was arrested, it was the same. The other guy’s getting 10 15. He should get Okay. And last one. Uh, Spangler He’s the guy with the horse outside of the He was arrested and he’s on trial.

He’s the guy that the guy that said go to peanut or whatever. Yeah, he’s getting he’s getting 25. He’s get I think that guy should get off. But he won’t. Like he’s the only one. He won’t, bro. Yeah, Eric, I’m sorry. If someone killed the president and you were like, “Oh, here’s my car. Here’s a car, they’re going to they’re going to [bleep] crucify your ass.” But we don’t know. No, but he didn’t know that at the time. He just said he tried to p it off on a little black kid. Oh, wow. Get him off like on a 12-year-old. So, so you think that he knew that he was going to kill the president?

Why would Why would you need a getaway horse in your like true, I’m performing tonight? I need a getaway horse. Just trust me on this. really fast. It needs to be fed and massage. I need like water and [bleep] Like, yeah, he needed to be [bleep] He knew something was going down. Like, no one’s that dumb. Okay. If he did, then he doesn’t get off. But what do you think he gets? Or what do you think he should get? 10 to 15. Oh, fine. I I’ll live I can live 10 to 15. I can live 10. If he was in on it. If he was in on it.

You guys are ruthless, Jorge. If he killed the president. Exactly. You don’t think where? You mean Eric. I’m sorry, Eric. What the [bleep] I’m sorry. I was just I was think about it. You think about it. He might not even been part of it. No, but to Sean’s point, like if he knew that they needed a getaway horse. Who needs a getaway horse when they’re an actor? That’s right. That’s your evidence? Yes. Eric, if you came to me like, “Hey, I just need I need a car like running and and fully gassed up. I needed to be ready.” Yeah. And I’m like, “Dude, you work for you work for a [bleep] technology company.

What do you need a getaway car for?” And he’s like, “Don’t ask questions.” Like, I would go to jail for sure on Spangler. Probation. Okay. You’re crazy. Yeah, that one. Probation. That’s it. I don’t know. But but Sean made a good point. Like if he knew that there was a getaway horse, like he knew something was going down. Ponded off on peanuts. Yeah, but he doesn’t make it okay. That doesn’t make it right. That’s right. You’re like, “Oh, well, here like here, take this gun for me, little man.” All right. Yeah, it’s it’s it’s all good, bro. Like, what did I do? I didn’t do [bleep] All right.

There you go. All right. Well, we’re going to find out in the next episode because in part three, we’re going to go over the trial and then we’re also going to go over the conspiracies. And so, the conspiracies are crazy because there’s also a bank trail. M to Montreal. Ooh, they got wires. Mhm. So, and I’ll just give you a little snippet. Uh, the Confederacy Secret Service was operating. Oh, so they had the [bleep] Confeds had a secret service and we didn’t. There uh Booth Booth sent $500 to a joint kind of bank account to the Confederacy Secret Service in Montreal. A cash app receipt, but we don’t know why.

How do they have Secret Service in Montreal? They’re the South. Montreal is hella north because that’s Canada. So they’re like outside of No, I know but it’s outside of the purview of the union. But they can operate with a bank shipping supplies. But I think like Canada I would do that. But but I feel like Canada’s so like hey we we [bleep] love everyone. Like the blacks are cool. E like I don’t have a problem. Like I feel like Canadians are like super bad. I think at that time it was a little bit more open, a little bit more for lack of a better work the salmon hatcheries slaves.

Anyway, so we’re going to go into that conspiracy of whether or not Here’s here’s the big question, right? Um obviously we’re going to go over the trial and whether or not these people got the right sentencing for what they did. I mean, I’m pretty sure this episode’s getting me out of all jury duty. I’m just They’re like, “Yeah, nope.” Uh, but in addition to what we’re going to go over is like we haven’t even talked about it, which is was the Confederacy involved? Oh. Oh, I Oh, I think they were, bro. You mean I I brought it up a little bit. A little taste for choice.

You know what I mean? Like like who would I mean if you want to I mean, you know what I mean? The Confederacy smells Confederacy. Yeah. Exactly. It’s also half the country, right? Let’s be honest, it’s not like it’s like 20 dudes that were like, “Yeah, slice, bro.” Yeah. And what’s crazy, too, is that uh they literally just went to war for this. Like, there’s no It’s not like, you know, a long shot that they would conspire to take this guy. They were they were more than willing to kill any Union man. Almost like a last ditch effort. Like a last even if they lost, it’s almost like a [bleep] you like going to [bleep] take you down in flames.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. It’s like a It’s It’s almost like that’s their that’s their the 1800’s concept of a suicide bomber. Yeah. Like, [bleep] [bleep] it. Let’s [bleep] take out what we can and [bleep] them, right? Um and then we’ll go over cuz a lot happened. The trial occurred and then actually what’s crazy, some people don’t give up too much info. No, no. Some people were hanged and we’ll go over that. But there’s a photo of it. Oh my god. Really? It’s one of the earliest photos ever and it’s of the people who were hanged, I got to say. So, you can see this photo.

It’s It’s pretty wild. Yeah. Uh anyways, then we’ll go over the conspiracies and all that sort of thing and um you know, make our conclusions. Yeah. Exactly. So, uh there you go. And before we shove off, uh we want to do a a real big acknowledgement to an anonymous donor of a pretty big donation. And I just wanted to really say, and we’re gonna keep it anonymous, but just want to say thank you, man, our girl, and uh but really appreciated to keeping the show alive and our Patreons and all of these sort of things. It’s it’s a I don’t want to say it’s a nonprofit organization, but it’s it’s a very limited Yeah.

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