M. This is sleep hour. Yeah, so oh, and they just died in their sleep. If you, and if you lose cab pressure, then you’re passed out, you’re just, you just go straight into, you just go straight into unconscious. Yeah. So the plane’s sharp turn back across the Malaysian Peninsula and into the southern Indian Ocean suggests that it was a manual turn. You know what I mean, like the, the, the, the pilot made the turn manual. So, so then there goes the idea of the autopilot that we were talking about. Correct, unless it was turned and then auto. True, okay, they turned it, put it back on the auto.

So they realized something was wrong, something’s going on, let’s turn, let’s turn around, let’s go to Thailand, which is the closest airport. But then some [bleep] went down. So in 2005 there was a Flight 522, Helios Airways, it’s a very small airline. Yeah, and it was used as an example to compare, and it was a hypoxia event, like of hypoxia, and in that case there was a major cabin depressurization and it incapacitated the cabin and the crew, and what happened is they all went unconscious, and then the plane flew until it ran out of gas. Wow, damn, that’s sounds very, very similar. That sounds like a [bleep] death, death plane.

Yeah, the worst, right, the grave plane. Like everybody’s just unconscious, and then they fly until, until the gas runs out, and then you just crash. Oh, just crashes. [bleep] nightmare, Jesus Christ. But then that also doesn’t make, like, cuz they were saying, oh, like a lot of, oh, maybe that was a speculation, that um, the plane like vaporized. Yeah, cuz you would think if in that scenario, I know, it just kind of like eventually just kind of glide down, glide down into it. Yeah, yeah, but you’re still going to, I mean, when you run out of gas, and then, but then that also wouldn’t explain like why would the black box transponder not work then, if it wasn’t like, if it wasn’t just like, well actually it might have been like a nosedive, cuz you’re just up there 30,000 feet in the air, whatever, run out gas and then you finally run, good.

Yeah, good point, good point. So aeronautical engineering, part of the, the, the contrary facts about this theory is that why did they turn, and if they were, yeah, the turn doesn’t make sense, that’s, unless, that’s why, if hypoxia was a thing, how could they have turned? Well also, if hypoxia really was a thing, why wouldn’t homie be like, yo, we have [bleep] no air, like something’s happening? And it’s pretty well known, or at least officially, somebody manually turned off the, the all the things, all the, the, the systems, the communication systems, everything. Well technically, could they, could they have turned off, I don’t, I wonder if they have the ability to turn off the oxygen system too.

I mean, you got to be able to manually turn off, you have to be able to manually do everything. Yeah, everything, right. But uh, in everything that they found, there’s no physical evidence. Well, because there’s no physical evidence of the plane, no, all they have is like the flapper, the flap on thing that you were talking about, and then like a couple, like little, I know, pieces. So uh, the next theory, and it may relate to, so the first, the reason why I brought up that first one is because it may relate to all the other theories that we’re going to talk about, right, because it could have been part of that.

So, and the first one is the pilot suicide. Yeah, your favorite, Eric. Yeah, Eric’s number one. So Captain Zahari, uh, I mean, they found his simulation, simulation, he had control of everything. Uh, he had the ability to lock the door even on his co-pilot if he wanted to be like, hey, give me a little cappuccino. Yeah, a little sandy, sandy, sandy, bring me a little uh BLT, bring it back. And he’s like, well, why don’t we have like one of the… to that, he’s like, go bring me a sandwich. In addition, he’s, he’s the one who, you know, he says good night, or what if, like, one of them, what if, oh, he was one.

Yeah, so I mean, it makes, that’s the most, I thought the co-, I thought the co-pilot said the good night. Yeah, I thought so, the co-pilot said good night, for sure. Yeah, you 100%, you, you 100% said, 99, I’m a hund-, I’m a hund-, that’s 199%, have to double check on that. This conspiracy podcast, okay, we’re never, question everything, even ourselves, even ourselves, we don’t know what we’re talking about. Well, okay, so what, he just like took a bathroom break though, he could have easily like, oh I got to pee, true, like [bleep] lock. But it’s the cleanest explanation, it is very clean, isn’t it.

Yeah, it’s pretty clean. The pilot did it. Yeah, very, it’s because it’s very cut and dry, there’s no like, but he went, and he’s like, oh, when we go into new airspace it’s going to be confusing, it is, also I’m, make a turn, it also, I’m going to go, I’m going to kill everybody, like if you wanted to do that, that would be the time. You think the pilot had to be involved because the system got shut off as soon as they went to new airspace? So the, like, one of the pilots has to be in on it in some capacity, right, cuz the odds of it shutting off, like, on a malfunction, as soon as they go to new airspace, is almost like zero.

Yeah, that’s right, it was a rookie though. 100%. The rookie, really? 100%, the rookie, the rookie was the one. Why would you even, buy, it’s the day of his certification. He’s worked his whole life for this. Maybe, maybe that was the whole point, his whole life was for this. I don’t buy that, I don’t buy that one. Yeah, it’s like one of those, like, like the one of those people that work in corporate and like they get tired of [bleep]. What’s the motive for the [bleep] professional guy? I don’t, his entire life was, mo-, yeah, there’s no motive. Yeah, so I hate both of them, she was pissed.

Okay, all right, because I hate both of those theories, so it’s perfect. Uh, mechanical failure, I mean, that’s totally plausible, for sure. Okay, fire breaks out, I guess. I would maybe explain why, like, you would make the turn, you’re like, just chaos. Yeah, cuz everything’s like, you’re like, [bleep], [bleep], coincidence that it happened when, when they went into the new airport. Coincidence. Yeah, yeah, and then but then what, the comms go down too, everything goes down all at once, manual coffee on the controls, I know [bleep]. So even, let’s say that there’s a fire and it starts burning down all your, your comm and your radar and, like, whatever, all that [bleep], all things.

But, but when they made that turn, to when they were tracked, in, in, in the uh, in the radar you’re talking about, hours. Yeah, five or six hours, that’s a long time. That’s a long time. Yeah, yeah, I don’t like it either. And also, and also, they were tracked on the radar, like, right, you know, south of Thailand, and if there was an emergency like that, and you’re not suicidal, you just go into Thailand, try to land the plane, in 100%. A place called Bangkok, I don’t know if you heard of it. [bleep] land that [bleep], I know, and you wouldn’t care about, like, mil-.

Yeah, emergency landing, like, yeah, I don’t like it, no, no. Mechanic, that ruled out. Yeah. Cyber hijacking, interesting. Some experts theorize that MH370 fell victim to cyber hijacking, wherein remote hijackers seized control of the systems, and this theory, while plausible, there’s no evidence. Well, it’s also like, most, you would think that someone would try to take credit for it if they were to do that. Correct. Now, now we’ve gone over many episodes where, uh, like, uh, do you remember the Vegas shooting? Yeah. The Hamas, oh my God, they were like, we did it, we, we got it, meanwhile it was not, no, the guy, clearly didn’t, was not like, which does lend us to our 9/11 episodes.

Oh my God, taking credit, even Ahmad taking credit, even though maybe it wasn’t, maybe it wasn’t Osama. Oh good. Yeah, anyways, we’ll talk about that, lat-. Yeah, we’ll get in that later, once we’re rich and famous. I know, right, uncanny. So anyway, cyber attacks, I don’t know, I don’t love that theory because no matter how good you are of a hacker, you’re going to leave some sort of trace, somebody else is going to be able to figure, digital trace, right? Yeah, yeah, that’s what I mean, like some sort of trace where, like, digitally, digitally, some forensic [bleep] expert, [bleep] teenager, [bleep] hacker, it’s going to be able to figure it out and backtrack.

And, and yeah, and there’s no evidence of that. Yeah, and also, by the way, that’s [bleep] scary if it can happen, like, it just makes you think. Yeah, that’s such, it can just, like, I didn’t even know that was possible. By the way, it seems like it would be possible. Well, I don’t know, it’s never happened, ever, ever, ever, it’s just not possible. Not possible, man, it’s never happened before, ever, ever, ever. Granted, at least if it was like, once, the drone situation, that has nothing to do with cyber. The New Jersey drones, the New Jersey drones, who slow your rolls, you’re like, what, you said something.

So it’s an electronic, it’s a, it’s, it’s controlling machines over. So are you saying that, are those drones, were, I’m just saying capability, those were American drones? Hijacked, no, no, I’m just saying the capability is there. And, no, but what I’m saying is has never happened, and then you said drones. [bleep], I’m just saying that the capability is there to do it. The capability drones, right, but I’m saying the probability is not, because it’s never, ever happened. I’m just saying there’s no precedent. But it’s also like, no, bitcoin’s never been to 100,000 either. Yes it has, yes it has. Actually yes it has, and then it’s been below, and then back up.

I know, I’m about to sell that [bleep]. Oh my God, talk about, buy it again at 200. I like to buy high and sell low. Jorge is a, he does the reverse, money option is like buy at the peak, sell at the low. I like, all the other people out [bleep]. So another theory is that a, a minority of people believe that the aircraft was intercepted and shot down by another nation’s military, specifically Ukraine. They thought, they thought it was a, they perceived it as a threat, they shot it down, it was an accident. Yeah, no, but like, oh, said at the beginning, I like, what is it, no, because like the rules of engagement from, for almost every country, except for probably like North Korea or some [bleep], is like, you have to, it has to be a confirmed threat.

Yeah, and yes, yes, yeah, dude, is some dude is some [bleep]. If let’s say if like something was coming to the US, right, yeah, and they pick it up on radar over Miami, no, like, no, before, no, like it’s coming, like it’s not even over our airspace, it’s like coming into our airspace, the Bermuda Triangle, like, yeah, yeah, reach before, they’d like launch some [bleep] surface-to-air missile, they’re going to send [bleep] jets out there to check it out, which, the Thai-, which, back to your point, the Thailand military didn’t send [bleep] up there. [bleep], do you remember the uh, the balloons, the Chinese balloons? Oh my God, we shot them down before we knew what was going on.

No, they didn’t, they already knew what they were up there for, [bleep], a week before, shot through Alaska, they were literally up there forever, people were like, what the [bleep], and finally shot him down, literally a week later, so that completely disproves your [bleep] point, Eric. All right, yeah, no, what they, you have to assess, otherwise, like, if let’s say if you don’t, let’s say if you don’t do that and you shoot down a [bleep] thing, you, that’s, well, them to war over, like, they’re like, oopsies, we thought it was a threat, we just killed your [bleep] citizens. What are the rules in your engagement, you have to, you have to be engaged on, yeah, you have to be engaged, you have to be engaged, if, if I fly, let’s say you and I get a drone and we fly it into Ireland, if we get a drone, little DJI drone, yeah, and we fly, we fly it over into Ireland, running out of battery, rip, it, come on, no, what happens, no, a [bleep] little drone, nothing.

Why is everything drones with you, Eric? Yeah, I know, you’re obsessed with drones, saying every analogy is a damn drone. What happens when we fly something into another airspace? No, well, what’ll happen, here’s what happen, well, what Sean said is, like, your military is going to send somebody, something up there to take a look, and what they’ll do, like peeky peeky, no, no, they’ll be like, hey, look, like either you leave the airspace now or you land. Yeah, and if you don’t, and if you don’t comply with, like, hey look, you have, you have a certain amount of time, that’s how it works. All right, Maverick, the most accurate depiction, so stupid, you guys are insane.

Oh my god, did you watch, m break, true. All right, all right, no, they would, they would give you warnings, like they’d be like, hey, like you need to shoot over your bow, like you shouldn’t be here, like you need to leave the airspace or we will have to take force if you don’t leave. All, epoxied, it’s a [bleep] airliner. No, but, and they’re in the middle of the ocean, but worse than that, like nobody went up there to take a look, none of the, no, at least recorded, no military craft. Yeah, the military, like, yo, what do we do, and like there’s an airliner that’s not coming towards our country.

Yeah, it’s just flying in the middle of the ocean. Also, it was reported that it was on radar at least, you know, around this Thailand area, so it had to happen after that, or somewhere away from that. Yeah, and if they were going to shoot it down then it would have just happened then and there. Yeah, of course they would have been like, [bleep], get, nuke it. Yeah, so I don’t, I don’t know, I like that theory, but I don’t love it. You don’t love it. I don’t love it, no. But all right, that’s the Thailand, what about the Ukraine? I, well, well, hold, hold your [bleep] horses, sir, halfway through here, buddy.

Uh, the next one, and I know you guys are going to love this, which is, there, aliens, there are, love it, there are many people who believe it’s an alien abduction, but then like some portal that they opened up, or some [bleep], but they left some of the scraps of the plane behind. The idea, or the concept, is that if there’s so much technology, there’s only better technology to make it disappear, except for the flapper, flapper on, and the, yeah, well, that’s cuz it happened too fast, portal just sucked, it’s only too much gravity, it left behind a little flapper though. I feel like you guys, I feel like you guys, I feel like too much gravity, at episode one you guys would have subscribed to this one, it just, and now you guys are like seasoned veterans.

No, if, if there was, if there wasn’t, wasn’t any debris, then I’d be like, then I’d be like 100%, I’m, I’m interested in this theory, but there’s debris, right, if you were going to get sucked through a portal, the portal’s not good enough to suck the whole [bleep] plane through, that’s going to leave the flap. Right, I like that, I like that. Yeah, okay, all right, in the weeks following the disappearance, numerous reported sightings of a low-flying aircraft emerge. Um, one example was a fisherman off the coast of Kota Bharu in Malaysia claimed to have seen an airplane flying unusually low. Similarly, a British woman sailing in the Indian Ocean reported seeing what she believed to be a burning aircraft.

Oh, again, these, these, these anecdotes, things keep coming up as like, because it’s gone, like there’s, and, and people never found, people look, to close that loop, they, you cannot stand the open loop, like you need answers. It’s also, we all, as we know, the most unreliable source of information is, is, is the witness testimony, like the singular worst. Mhm, I’m [bleep], DB Cooper, it’s just like, it’s the worst, never ending, because people want, yeah, like, like Jorge saying, people want to, you know, they, they want to like, put an end, fill, fill the vacuum, fill the gap. Yeah, so just, so you guys know, and we’re giving you this more information just to take your final analysis of this, this is the most expensive search that has ever occurred.

Wow. Over $200 million have, has been put into searching. Really? Oh wow, that’s a lot. Uh, this is the initial surface, the biggest search too, I mean, that area, like we talked about in the episode one, it was million km, so the initial surface search was $50 million, and this is aircraft, ships, etc. The underwater search in the Indian Ocean, uh, based on the Inmarsat satellite data, $150 million, where they covered 120,000 square miles, kilometers, sorry. Um, Australia put in $100 million in this search. Wow, I don’t know why they were [bleep] forthcoming, right there, you know, I mean, in this in the space. Um, so from Australia, Malaysia, China, and private contractors, over $200 million.

That’s pretty [bleep] crazy. It is crazy. And what’s even more crazy, nothing. Yeah, I mean, they found some of the debris, but that was not because of the search, it just turned up on, I, I mean, you kind of say, is it because of the search? Yeah, all right, but then, like, I don’t know, I, maybe like, this is a really not probably a good take, but the cash grab, for what? For the, they [bleep] crash this [bleep] on purpose and they get this huge [bleep], cont-, huge like embezzlement of all this $200 million. I mean, obviously, you know, some of it was probably spent, you know, gas ain’t cheap for, especially for large naval ships, search in areas.

Yeah, but now you’re, so now you’re talking about like multiple countries and multiple businesses trying to, I’m saying, like, all I’m saying is whenever that much money’s involved, I always get a little, I get a little questiony. Yeah, yeah, and I’m not saying that they, they, they should spend that much money to do the search, they should, that is what they should do, and hopefully that is what they, stuff like that, they deserve to be found, they deserve to find answers, but I don’t, try, money is, is, makes people do weird [bleep]. Yeah, but I wonder how much of that Malaysia Airlines actually spent. [bleep] zero, exactly, they didn’t have [bleep] any, they tried to get 5K the [bleep] families, those [bleep].

I was trying to figure out, like, what is, what is the mathematical worth of that, and it’s definitely not 5K. 100%, are you kidding me? You had to, I mean, I know it’s not a mathematical equation, but 5K is an insult, 5K is an actual insult, if you were trying to put a price on my [bleep] my family, no, five, like, how dare you. And maybe, and maybe one of our listeners, if there’s more of a payout that we don’t know about, we’d love to hear about it. Yeah, let us, I mean, obviously there’s no amount of money that’s going to make it better. Yeah, but like, at least don’t offer some [bleep], like, what is that, like three flights?

I know, oh thanks, I know, makes it all better. [bleep] you, 5K, so insulting, actually. It is insulting, it’s insulting. Uh, so there’s another theory, and um, and if you wanted to dive more into this, this whole story and the whole mystery, um, Jeff Wise is, is somebody that you should, you know, go to his website, it’s, I think it’s jeffwise.com, uh, he’s a journalist and an aviation writer, and he put forward a theory about the disappearance, and he followed it from the very beginning, and he has his own website dedicated to this, he has actually his own podcast, w-, oh [bleep], about, about just on this, I think he has 40 episodes.

Holy [bleep], damn, and it’s a very deep dive, and if you really wanted to go into it, I know we’re only doing two episodes, yeah, that sort of thing, but if you wanted to go into it, but he started from the beginning, and he was following it from the beginning, and he had aviation experts, and he, you know, he was an aviation writer, oh wow, you know, for like the airlines and that sort of thing. Yeah, but his theory is this, it was hijacked, not by the pilots, not by rogue individuals, but by an external manipulation of the plane systems. Oh, so like back to, like, the hacking, cyber kind of hijacking.

Yeah, he suggests that the plane may have been commandeered remotely via electrical and electronics in a compartment that is beneath the cockpit that houses the critical avionics systems. The bay can be accessed through a hatch in the passenger cabin, so it’s not even in the pilot’s area, but it’s in the first class area, when you can pull up the, yeah, and go under. Yeah, that’s right. Wise believes that the plane was deliberately diverted and flown north, along this, this map that we have, north this way, to Kazakhstan, rather than south. And his theory is based on the possibility that the satellite pings tracked by Inmarsat, MH, uh, were manipulated to create the illusion of the southern path, but in reality went north.

Wise speculates that the hijacking may have been carried out by individuals or groups, uh, with backing of a state, basically pointing to Russia as the suspect, citing geopolitical motives, etc, and essentially going to the shot-down plane that occurred later. Yeah, I was like, I’m trying to think, like, what does Russia gain from that, you know, like what is like their end game? I mean, I mean, there’s a lot to go into his theory, but essentially that there was a shot-down plane triggering war. Oh, I see, okay, in short. Okay, yeah, again, his theories are circumstantial, of course, you know, there’s no physical evidence, there’s no wreckage, there’s no corr-, you know, it doesn’t really corroborate, only in the sense of the Inmarsat data going north.

Yeah, but the Inmarsat data itself is, is pretty speculative because it’s, it’s not conclusive at all. Yeah, and some people say, oh, the shot-down flight had dead bodies already, how do they know that though, eyewitnessed testimony? What do they see? Yeah, [bleep], I know, you know what I mean, like, yeah, jeez, [bleep] mystery, [bleep], to be honest, he has dedicated a lot of his life to this. Yeah, I mean, so his theory is probably the best theory, if you go, if you go, I mean, we’re talking about like, all his, he’s got 40 episodes, and not to mention all of his personal research, like, again, and I don’t, I haven’t listened to all his episodes, and I don’t know, I read, I read a couple of his, his blog articles, um, relating to the beginning, but I didn’t, I didn’t like spend 40 hours, that’s a lot of hours.

Yeah, exactly, so there you go. But a lot of it has to do with where the pings are, and whether or not it’s even possible that they were south or north. Yeah, Kazakhstan, but it’s also like, it leads, leads us to believe that the, I, at least I want to believe that it was somehow down over the ocean, based on the scattering of the debris. Yeah, throughout Africa, and then also there’s another place that was found too, so like, how else would the debris get to all these different locations, South Africa? I know, and then I know the idea is that Madagascar, the idea is that it was planted.

Oh, okay, then, then make it seem like it was washed up. Okay, and let me just tell you the basic plot of his theory, which is that it was hijacked and uh, landed at a secret location in Kazakhstan, and then reconfigured and repainted to resemble another aircraft. Oh, I see, right, and the theory claims that the plane was then shot down, which was MH17, was in fact the missing MH370. I see, suggesting that the two aircraft were swapped. Yeah, little swip swap. And so, so hijacked, and they were, they, they died by hypoxia, hypoxia. So hijacked, by the time they landed, everybody dead. Hear me out, yeah, hijacked, landed in Kazakhstan, yeah, painted differently, and or, yeah, the, they, they just killed the passengers.

Oh, they just killed them, they’re all dead from the hypoxia. Oh, okay, so there was hypoxia, okay, and then the plane was repainted, branded, branded, or whatever, and then essentially sent out, shot down, there you go. Okay, and it’s like, like a geopolitical [bleep] government are insane, a lot of work, that’s so much effort, Jesus. But again, circumstantial. Yeah, I mean, obviously, obviously circumstantial, but again, the theories come back because of the timing. Yeah, and it happened right around the same time. Yep, okay. I mean, okay, I still don’t love the, the hijack, cyber hijack, I don’t love it either, cuz I think that it can be cyber hijack, but in terms of like, having complete control, cuz I don’t think the systems are, I don’t think the systems, you can like lock out manual operator.

I know, like, I think the systems, it’s not like it’s like a Tesla, where you can just like, like full, like full lockout. Like, oh yeah, you can’t do [bleep] now, because obviously they’re, they’re very, they’re very advanced pieces of equipment, but I do think, totally, that the manual operator has more control than, than the computer system does over the system. Yeah, because I think that they have to divert to, to a human perspective in obviously situations that a computer can’t, like, can’t create. Yeah, so like, I don’t, I don’t like this theory because uh, it seems like so much extra work to do something that you could have done, I know, fairly easily.

But also, think about it, if they did do that, and then let’s say they dropped the plane, or something, so that they can initiate the hypo-, hypoxia, the pilots have the mask that lasts at least up to 40 minutes, let’s say 30 minutes. I mean, they would have, they would have signaled something, or, or actually, with, say, if they’re lockout, theirs are down, everything’s down, they, but then how, I just, I just can’t see them like not being able to like do anything to control the plane manually, take over. Yeah, that’s, I’m saying, I just, I can’t see, I can’t get past them not being able to be like, yeah, manual override.

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, granted, I don’t know, I don’t know how complex the systems is, I don’t know how much control a computer system on a, an airplane has, I, I don’t know that information, it’s all manual switches, honestly, like, I, you know, I think, I think a lot of it is just simply manual switches. So then this theory wouldn’t play out as much then, it could. No, I mean, it’s a very small percentage, but you know what I mean, like, could, but no, but how do they, seems like so much work, how would they land up, you, there’s no way a computer can land that plane, imp, there’s no [bleep] way.

What if you took over, there is no, no, there’s no way a computer can land that plane. Yeah, but what if you took over and you set autopilot to a certain airport, pilot, 777, hell [bleep] no, hell no, there’s a zero%, I don’t think so either, I’m going to Google that right now, I don’t think can autopilot land a plane, I don’t think it can. I think it can. Can it, really? A plane can land by itself using the autopilot, through a system that is often referred to as Autoland. Yeah, the pilots can program the autopilot to carry out the landing automatically whilst the pilots carefully supervise the maneuver.

Well, [bleep] me, well, maybe this guy is on to something here, boys, cuz that completely fooled me, I didn’t think that. But like, even taking the risk of like, okay, yeah, we’re going to do this, but like, what if an autopilot [bleep] it up, and like the crash, like, damn it, our plan, then they crash. But the whole plan, if in this thing, the whole plan was to rebrand the plane and then fly it again and shoot it down, it just seems like you’re leaving a lot, like, but if it did crash then it’s like, oh, too bad, it crashed, like it’s, it’s like, oh, I guess it’s like, it’s not us, it’s the plane crash, it’s the pilot’s fault, I guess.

So still, I don’t [bleep] like it, I don’t [bleep] like it, dude, I don’t like it, I don’t like it at all, I don’t [bleep] like it. All right, well, I don’t like the idea that like the blackbox, I’m back, I’m like, g, I dude, I [bleep] like, is that shit’s supposed to be like the fail safe, it’s supposed to be, that’s what I’m saying, supposed to be the thing. So what, it’s, and it’s on a redundant system, it’s not like, it’s not part of the other systems, you’d also have to hack the blackbox, it’s, it’s in a completely separate system. All right, I don’t know [bleep] it, I don’t know [bleep], I’m talking, I want, I don’t know [bleep] about [bleep], I literally don’t know.

Do you guys have, I don’t even have, you have a vote on you? No, really, I, I’m very lost on this one, I don’t [bleep] know. So we have 227 people, I really don’t know, lost at sea, dude. I, I think the most, the, the most logical, mhm, explanation is the [bleep] one of the pilots [bleep] did it, dude. I know, one of the [bleep] pilots did, I know, he, he could have [bleep], he could have murder, he could have murder the one pilot, or like, took him out, locked him out of the room, and then he decided, he, this was his, he was fuming.

There’s not a lot of evidence that, that, that promotes like depression, or, I was, yeah, I’m going to ask like what’s the motive, or, or was there any history of like mental, but maybe if you like imagine you’re a professional, like you’re a professional pilot, you’ve done this forever, even if you’re like an aspiring pilot, okay, you’re, maybe you’re stressed, and it, I don’t know, maybe it’s, snab, maybe his girlfriend broke up with him, or maybe like his parents died in a car crash, or you know, some sort of traumatic stuff, is not there. Yeah, you would know about that. We would, we would know.

No, but I’m saying, we’re not the first people to think about, like, did the co-pilot have some [bleep] in his life? Literally, I mean, is there any evidence, boys, you say that. I don’t think the, I don’t know if the Malaysian PD is like [bleep], like stone, here, this is, this is what we know. Is the, the one guy, the younger guy, he was about to get his license, he was about to get fully certified, there was no indication of him being depressed and or some sort of horrible thing, he’s thinking about his future, he’s thinking about like living for a long time, good, you want to go there, I’m about to be a pilot, I’m about to get my stripes on my, on my, on my shoulder, captain.

All we know is he’s a veteran, and he’s got a home system that has a simulation, but then that points, that points to, he’s a veteran, he’s not going to lose control of the plane, but he practiced the thing ahead of time. No, he pr-, but that’s what a veteran does. Listen to me, boys, Vegas shooting, uh-huh, was he [bleep], what was his motive, was he [bleep] depressed, did he hate the [bleep] world? [bleep] rich professional gambler, calm, cool, under pressure, [bleep] that one, that one [bleep] me up, that’s what I’m saying, it’s just same situation, like you’re ask, we don’t know about his debts, if he’s a professional gamer, he could have owed the mob, he had like seven houses, bro, he could, those [bleep] [bleep] the keys, dude was crushing the game.

Good point, good point, so my, my point is like, just because there’s no blatantly obvious motive doesn’t mean that something didn’t happen. Okay, yeah, like we don’t know, maybe this guy was in with the [bleep] Malaysian, like, maybe like stole some, who knows, I think, I think the only plausible thing is the [bleep] one of the pilots. Okay, uh, I think we, we’ve learned that somebody could be depressed without writing a [bleep] poem, of course, no, does that make sense, like, I don’t need like a depressing Edgar Allan Poe poem to go, great, I’ll give you a classic example, we’re all dad here, there’s many times where I’m like, dude, [bleep] this, like, [bleep] this.

Yeah, and I’m [bleep] not good, [bleep] piss up, and I go outside, and I [bleep] in my own [bleep], have a cigarette, and I’m like, and I get over it, I’m like, okay fine, I get over it, but you’re not writing like a, the crow, the darkness, that’s, that’s my point, is so you don’t turn on TikTok and like go live and like, no, see, my, my point is like, everyone, everyone deals with their own [bleep] in their own way. Yeah, and everyone’s different, not like for me, I go outside, I [bleep], brood for a bit, and I’m like, okay fine, I’m going to go back to the [bleep] grindstone because I love my [bleep] family, and I, I’m going to keep doing this, right, but everyone deals with stress differently, like, you know, everyone, I, I’m not, I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, it’s just, who knows, maybe, maybe one of those guys [bleep] snapped, that’s right, and it’s like doing like something that you should not do, like, and also, like, if you are suicidal, a lot of times there is no signs, there is a, a lot of times people are like, I had no idea, too late.

Yeah, like, he was [bleep] good dude, yeah, and that’s, it’s like you suffer in silence. Yeah, you know, yeah, and I think it’s a classic thing, and I, I know that it’s a very cultural thing too, especially, I think, and I’m only bringing this up because I, I know that Asian culture is like this, you can’t, you’re supposed to be, especially as, as a man, you’re supposed to be this stoic [bleep] unbreakable thing, and like you can’t, you can’t go to people, especially in like in those, the cultures, you can’t [bleep] go tell people you’re struggling. No, cuz they’re instantly going to be like, you’re nothing, you’re like, what, oh, you’re struggling, you’re not the man of the house now.

Yeah, like you’re not, you ain’t [bleep], I agree, if your shame is too much, here’s the sword. So there is a thing about that, like, there, you know, maybe they didn’t have an outlet, you know, like, hey, I don’t, I can’t talk to my friends about this because I, I don’t want them to look lesser on me, don’t want them to think I’m like a lesser dude, I don’t know. So, so, but, but that would have been the co-pilot or the pilot, I’m thinking the co-pilot for sure. Oh yeah, I’m thinking the co-pilot for sure, dude, 18,000 flight hours, my dude was [bleep] ice in his veins, like my dude’s [bleep] cold-blooded, he, Tom Brady, Tom Brady on the [bleep], on the, go back like, this is, this took methodical planning.

Did it, did it, I, I, I mean, I don’t know if it had to be methodical. Yeah, really, okay, look, we’re making the hand-off turn, the [bleep] turn the AC off, right, I mean, that’s all he had to plan, don’t plan one thing, and then he like locked the door, just one of those [bleep] moments, he was like, you know what, [bleep] it, this will be perfect. Yeah, the problem is there’s no evidence of any of this. No, [bleep], the [bleep] blame isn’t here, bad, I feel bad for like the wife. And so do I. I feel [bleep] terrible, but that’s what we just said, like, you, a lot of times you’re not going to have signs of this deep depression, suicidal person.

No, so you don’t, you don’t think, do I think it was suicidal, no, do you don’t think there’s like nefarious governmental, yeah, I, I, I really don’t know what to think on this one, I’m, I’m like, so I’m, I’m just as lost as when we started. You’re actually more lost. It’s like the better, when I knew nothing, it’s like the missing plane, it doesn’t make any, yeah, dude, I, that’s why, that’s why I’m thinking, the only thing, but as we do on this, on as we do in this show, you got to like, we, but for sure what happened, no, no, Sean, Sean, Sean gave us, for sure it crashed, right?

Okay, so you guys all agree, I think 100% crashed, now in the Indian Ocean, I, I don’t know what crashed, I think it crashed in the Indian Ocean, it’s way too big to [bleep] be able to, you know, look for it, no matter how much money you spent on that search party, you’re not finding that ocean, hella deep, hella big, found stuff, but we did find stuff because it came up, came to shore. Yeah, um, so then of course that leads to, you know, you’re, you’re thinking obviously crash, like it’s not like they landed somewhere and then like, they’re [bleep], I don’t know, held captive somewhere or something like that.

No, it definitely crashed, yep. Where, uh, I think the most plausible thing would be like west-southwest of, uh, Thailand, like it just kept going. Okay, so here’s another thing, maybe like they were trying to go for an airport, but then somehow like they set the autopilot, and maybe the [bleep] autopilot went haywire, and then it just like ran out of gas in the Indian Ocean, and then it just nosedived, and then everything vaporizes and, or sinks, and there you go, like. Yeah, all right, what about you, Eric, you been pushing us to [bleep] answers. Uh, I, I think somebody on board. Oh, you think of hijacking?

I mean, the problem is I don’t know who it was, but somebody on board did, did all this, let me go back to what I say, but you got to go underneath the [bleep] thing, and you got, you got to turn the systems off. Yeah, but do you don’t know that the ACARS system is underneath, you know that the, you know that somebody does, no, no, you knew that, one of the systems, there was a particular system that was underneath, but not, not necessarily the ACARS system. Yeah, which was turned off, we knew that that one was turned off specifically. What, nobody did anything about this person trying to do that?

Dude, you know how many, ti-, to, I see on the [bleep] smash, dudes up, why are you doing the, the undercarriage of the plane? Dude, I see things like dudes like raise their voice, and like homies come snatch them up. Let’s say they did manage to go down there, like they’re not going to alert the pilot, and then the pilot is not going to turn on, mayday, mayday, mayday, like, got a [bleep] hijacker, he’s, he works here. That’s why a lot of the evidence does point to the, the two, that’s why I think it’s the two guys, that’s why I think it was one of the pilots, bro.

Either, either the pilot or the, it’s either the main pilot or the [bleep], I’m telling you it’s the only thing that makes any sense. Yeah, everything else is just too ridiculous to me. And so one of them was suicidal, is that what you’re saying? No, I’m saying one of, yeah, one of them was just like, [bleep] it, like I’m gonna crash this [bleep]. So why wouldn’t he crash it like earlier, like, bro, I’m, mother, am I going to know that, the impossible question, why the [bleep] did, cernus, I don’t [bleep] know, that’s true. All right, all right, that’s where I’m at. No, that’s where I’m at.

I’m with you guys. Yeah, I’m with Sean. Oh wow, this the first time me and Jorge have been on [bleep] be end. I know, I just, retreat together, something, get back in sync, somebody manually did, and you know what I mean, somebody, or the pilot. Yeah, well, I thought you were with me. No, I, Eric’s [bleep] backpedaling, that’s a, that’s a back. Well, of course somebody, of course some, got to be a pilot, it’s got to be a pilot, Eric, obviously somebody did something, yes, that’s, no, but he’s saying the pilot, he’s agreeing with you. Good, okay, he was like, somebody did, I’m like, well, he agrees with you, okay, good, good, no, no, last thing is, if it wasn’t the pilot, how would it have been done?

I don’t know the answer to that, right, if it wasn’t, I really don’t know, that’s why, that’s the only reason it wasn’t the pilot, only, the only thing could be, back to what you were saying, somebody managed to get underneath, one of the passengers, and [bleep] with the system, and like they knew what they were doing, and they knew like what, how to like go offline, for what, like they end, knew like, if they planned it, they planned it, and they knew what, like a first-class passenger, and then they went underneath, but, stud is going to be like, okay, what’s the champagne, and we get back up, like, what the [bleep], doesn’t make, also, how do you like, how do you incapacitate the pilots?

That’s, dude, that’s what I’m saying, it doesn’t make any [bleep] sense, it has to be the pilots, it [bleep] has to be, there’s no other answer. He was in with cyber attackers, and he’s like, oh God, get the [bleep] out of here, is there anything there? What do, with the whole Kazakhstan, no, it’s just, it’s too, too much, it’s so many, it’s just so much effort for like, for no gain, yeah, like all this effort to literally have like, just get a plane from Kazakhstan, I don’t know, call it a, like order a 777, what the [bleep], it’d be easier, it would literally be easier, it’d be, because if you’re going to blow a plane up anyways, who cares if it’s, doesn’t have to really be legit, like you’re blowing it up, who cares.

Yeah, all right, there you go. All right, yeah, all right, wonder what you guys think, listeners. Absolutely, I know there’s a lot of theories, and there’s a lot of, there’s a lot more data to like, I do recommend, if you wanted to look further into it, watch the documentaries, what, go, go to Jeff’s, uh, Jeff’s website, and you know, the documentaries make it, it, it’s like it, get you, you get real, you get involved, and it’s a lot, and you know, like we, my wife, wife couldn’t do it, like, you know, we have a small kid, and it’s, it’s a lot, cuz you get, they go into the families, and it’s just tough.

Oh yeah, and they, they go into the, the, the, where the plane went at every minute, every, yeah, they like, it’s very granular. Good, yeah, yeah, and it’s good, you know, it’s good to know, it’s good to get the information. Yeah, exactly, so yeah, uh, there you guys go, uh, again, we appreciate you guys and the feedback in the, the comments that you guys provide, the emails that you provide, also, you know, we can change things, so like, you know, if, if you have more info, instead of leaving us a one-star review, yeah, like we’re trying to be, we’re trying to like improve always, you, exactly.

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