Hi everybody, welcome back to The Conspiracy Podcast. Yeah, it’s us again. Eric right here, this is Jorge, this is Sean. Welcome back to the show everybody. We’re on the alien trip, the UFO, the UAP, the Roswell, all the things. Now obviously you should go back, listen to the other ones for sure, 100%. That’d be weird to go in like, you don’t start a book from chapter nine, it’s just weird. But you do you, as long as you listen, that’s fine, I don’t care. We strategically made this so you could pick this one up right here. We did it in order for a reason, strategically, in order.

A couple shout outs. We love the feedback, we love the content. Don’t hesitate to reach out, we’re pretty open, we pretty much reply to everybody, whether it’s social media or emails, all that sort of thing. We did our first live, got a lot of folks in there and it was really nice. It was nice to talk to you guys, talking to your comments. It’s crazy, a lot of you guys are from all over the world, Norway, New Zealand, Atlanta, other Floridians as well. It was cool. Also a lot of the stuff that we do comes from you guys, 100%. Whether it’s UFOs, whether it’s Roswell, some of the episodes, the QAnon, Pizzagate, Bermuda Triangle was one, Cain was another, Flat Earth too. So the polls, we look at them, we do them on purpose. Truth be told, we don’t know what the hell we’re doing after episode like 23. We’re just doing whatever you guys want us to do.

By the way, what are we up, 48, 47? It’s hard, are we counting this? Spotify includes other minis, I think we’re like 47. We should do a special one for 50. I think we should do a special one for our year anniversary coming up in late November. Maybe have somebody live, a turkey conspiracy, somebody call in with us, or we’ll do a voicemail, something. Turkey, just a genetically modified chickeny, what are we eating, we’re eating robots. One person said, are birds real? It makes me laugh every time. That’s like a five minute conspiracy.

I was at a party the other day and somebody said, hey, you should do this episode on Helen Keller. I was like, oh, what’s the conspiracy about Helen Keller? And he’s like, it’s fake, she faked it, that she wasn’t blind, she wasn’t blind or deaf the whole time. I was like, oh, she’s the best actress of her time. Truth be told, I laughed for 10 minutes. He kept a straight face while you’re laughing. He was like pissed off at her. If she did pull that off, kudos to you, you are actually the best.

So here we go, this is Area 51. Area 51 is synonymous with tales of UFOs, government coverups, and alien technology. I know, this is a audiobook, Jesus. So in the middle of the barren Nevada desert there’s a dusty unmarked road that leads to the front gate that says Area 51. Don’t enter or I’ll kill you. It is protected by little more than a chainlink fence, boom gate, and intimidating trespassing signs. One would think that America’s much mythicized top secret military base would be under closer guard, but make no mistake, the government is watching. They got cameras in the rocks, drones everywhere. You still also have to go from the gate to get in, it’s probably 900,000 yards, it’s not like he just waltzes in.

So what’s interesting is a majority of the stories of people, this is on YouTube and everywhere. If all three of us went on a road trip to Area 51, it’s a pretty unassuming gate, chain link fence and all that. But every time, no fail, there’s a white pickup truck on a mountain top and it’s just staring, watching you. Because they couldn’t afford the Yukon Denali, they got the Ford Econoline van. But everywhere you go along the perimeter there’s just somebody watching you. Well sure, much like there is at every military base. So let’s be honest, from that standpoint it’s really not that special. We have MacDill Air, it’s like South Tampa, right there in the bay. If you boat over there and you’re too close, there’s like a white pickup truck in the water, it’s actually under the water and just floats up to the top.

So beyond the gate, cameras see every angle. On the distant hilltop there’s a white pickup truck with a tinted windshield peering down on everything below. Locals say the base knows every desert tortoise and jackrabbit that hops the fence. Others claim there are embedded sensors in the approaching ground. And this is located at Groom Lake in the middle of a barren desert in the south part of Nevada. Area 51 is a US Air Force installation that has become infamous for the speculated connection with UFOs, otherwise known as unidentified flying objects. Conspiracy theories surrounding the base suggest that it’s used for the testing of the alien technology that was recovered at Roswell. So that’s why we did the episode on Roswell. It’s all strategy, we do this on purpose, we are researched. The idea is that Area 51 is a collection of alien technology that’s recovered across the United States. Now Roswell is just one example, Roswell was the inception of the concept.

Now what exactly goes on inside Area 51? People think Area 51 is just one site, but there’s actually multiple, there’s multiple sites and one of the main ones is called S-4. I don’t know if you watched the Bob Lazar documentary. So Bob Lazar is the propulsions engineer who supposedly had worked at S-4 in Area 51, who was literally recruited to reverse engineer the propulsion system of one particular UFO. He said that there were multiple, I think he said there was like 12 or 15, with two man teams for each. They were highly compartmentalized and segregated, in which he had the highest possible clearance which they called Majestic. There’s another documentary called Above Majestic which is really good, and then it just falls off a cliff. I don’t think that the Germans were flying into space with UFOs. Wasn’t that the one also that says they kidnap kids from school and then take them to the moon? Yeah, but I thought the moon was fake, the moon landing. You don’t just land. I love conspiracy theories the best because they’re all contradictory, they’re so great. But also they take them to the dark side of the moon, because we only ever see the face of the moon, we never see the back side, and they bring them back before school’s over.

Like I said, some of the documentary was good and then it went super crazy. But the Bob Lazar one is the most compelling. Bob Lazar is probably the most credible of all sources because he’s been saying the same story for 35 years. Just because I have said I’ve killed JFK for so many years doesn’t mean I did. I mean, cool analogy. Tit for tat, that’s a perfect tit for tat. So I’m going to build up to Bob.

So what exactly goes on inside Area 51 has led to decades of speculation. There are of course the alien conspiracies that galactic visitors are tucked away inside Area 51. One of the more colorful rumors insists that the Roswell crash was actually a Soviet aircraft piloted by mutated midgets and the wreckage remains on the grounds of Area 51. I love that, I hope that’s true. They literally made mutated Russian midgets, Russian carnival creatures, make them fly, that is so insane. Can we say midgets, are we going to get in trouble for that one? I’m sure it’s fine. It’s actually a legal term, small people. We’re not saying it in offense. Sean doesn’t care, me and Eric care. I just don’t know. I know what you’ve edited out of these podcasts. Pretty soon he’s going to start using the clone, clone your voice, clone you, I’m Sean. He’s going to go on Descript.

So here’s another theory, that the 1969 moon landing was filmed in a hangar of Area 51. So the beginning of Area 51 is directly related to the development of the U-2 reconnaissance aircraft. After World War II, the Soviet Union lowered the Iron Curtain around itself and the rest of the Eastern world, creating a near intelligence blackout to the rest of the world. When the Soviets backed North Korea’s invasion of South Korea in 1950, it became clear that the Kremlin would aggressively expand its influence. America worried about the USSR’s technology and their ability to launch a surprise attack, thus the Cold War. Because this was only 10 years after Pearl Harbor, so they worried, we just got attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, so the USSR working with Japan became terrifying.

For all the myths and legends about Area 51, what is true is that it’s real. Yes, it’s 100% real and it’s active. There may or may not be aliens and moon landing movie sets, but it does exist, there’s something there, people are working there right now. And only a select few are privy to what’s happening inside, well not necessarily inside, but at the highest clearance levels. Majestic clearance. You want to know a real clearance that people know about that you think is super normal? It’s a TS/SCI, top secret special compartmentalized. That makes more sense than Majestic. Because the base is so big, it’s not like there’s 10 people who work at Area 51. There’s going to be a large military presence, but even if it’s not aliens there’s still levels of clearance. At the pinnacle there’s probably a small handful of dudes who know everything that’s happening there, regardless of what it is.

What’s also weird, if you go to try to look up any kind of satellite image you’re not going to find anything. They give satellite images of like a military installation but I don’t know, Google has everything, you would think it would be easy nowadays. Try to fly a drone out there, forget about it, there’s going to be anti-aircraft weapons blowing that up instantly. An F-22 comes after your little DJI drone, that’s like 60 million dollars with the military hardware coming for your ass. You got the expensive one from Best Buy, it said the range is 200 meters. I’m going to submit the warranty replacement on this one.

So there’s an aerospace historian and author named Peter Merlin, what an epic name. He’s been researching Area 51 for 30 years. He said the forbidden aspect of Area 51 is what makes people want to know what’s there, and there sure is still a lot going on today. The mystery just makes you want more. Area 51 is located 120 miles northwest of Las Vegas near the small town of Rachel. The title Area 51 seems to come from the designation the base had on Atomic Energy Commission maps, with this name sticking in the mind of the public but mostly unused by the military. Established in 1955 as part of the Nevada Test and Training Range complex, the area was also given the name Paradise Ranch. That was apparently an attempt to draw employees to the base, to come to the middle of nowhere, come to Paradise Ranch. We’re real close to the Bunny Ranch, so things are wild on your lunch break.

So the base itself is fairly small but the restricted area around it is over 990,000 acres, that’s a massive plot of land. I told you it was big, it’s not like the gates and you just walk in the front door, it’s huge. Some say, this is per Space.com, somebody by the name of Radford, he said partly the reason for the size is to prevent prying eyes and to test classified aircraft, so you need a lot of space to fly around. The guy gets to the gate and he’s got to go on a revelation journey to get to the base, to see God, to find the base. Somebody like Eric who’s going to bike his 200 miles in there, I’ll see you in four hours. Can you imagine trying to test an alien aircraft out of your one-bedroom apartment in San Francisco?

Radford said it’s mostly conspiracy theorists and media who call it Area 51. The US government does not call it Area 51. It’s simply, per what we know, called the Nevada Test and Training Range. It’s part of Edwards Air Force Base. In 2013 the US military for the first time acknowledged the existence of Area 51, after a formerly classified CIA document detailed the history of the U-2 spy plane, that was obtained by the NSA at George Washington University. But that acknowledgement doesn’t mean a visit to the base is advisable. Radford said there are still legitimate government and military operations going, and so it is classified and it is secret, so don’t show up.

The military classifies Area 51 as a military operating area. On the ground you’ll encounter stern signs and armed guards patrolling the fence perimeters, guarded by buried motion sensors, cameras, guards, so on. Even the jackrabbits out there are armed and ready to take you down, poison tip horns. Signs also tell visitors photos aren’t allowed and that trespassing on the property will result in a fine. They literally said deadly force is authorized. You take a picture of the gate, you’re on the other side of the gate, deadly force is authorized, they’re going to shoot you. When you’re on military government grounds. No, I’m on this side of the fence, it’s all our land. National security, I got to take your phone.

So originally it was used as a testing site for the U-2 spy plane. The base would go on to be used for the testing of other well-known aircraft such as the Archangel 12, the SR-71 Blackbird, the F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter bomber. So the basic flawed premise around Area 51 mythology can be boiled down to this: the government won’t reveal what’s going on there, so it must be something ultra super amazingly secret. But I do have to give the other viewpoint of you being the military. Why would I tell you what I’m doing here? It’s a military operation, they’re developing some of this like the stealth bomber, why would they want that out, obviously our enemies would know about it.

So can I ask you a question, and we might get on a tangent here. In a democratic society, is it okay for your government to be doing something that you don’t know about, well, for national security, and that you won’t ever know about, and that they will not let you know what it is. Is that okay, I guess is the question. No, because 100% transparency all the time doesn’t really help anybody, because you have enemies around the world. So there is, to a point. I don’t think that if it’s something to do with military advancement, sure, I get why you’re hiding it. But if it has something to do with the well-being of every American life, IE alien life forms, anything to do with the everyday life of a citizen, it has to be known. Because they’ll use national security, but what about my security? The only reason you guys are in your political positions is because the people have allowed you to. If it’s any sort of threat or any sort of data that could affect the life of the citizens, it should be known to the citizens. If it is something to do with military advancement in terms of that kind of stuff. Well, I don’t agree that we should even be continuing to advance military things, because war just means we’re all going to die.

I understand why they’re not going to tell us. You know what the problem is, it would lead to panic. If they really revealed everything, if they got aliens there and this and that, what if it wasn’t aliens. Even if it wasn’t aliens, it’s not like, we still believe aliens, done, thanks for telling us, we’ll never not believe it’s aliens until it’s actually aliens. I mean, look at what happened in 2020, the riots and stuff like that, so there would definitely be some panic going on. Those riots weren’t caused by some revelation of information. I’m just saying the way that society panics and then it snowballs into something uncontrollable. But that’s a common justification that the government uses, like, the people can’t handle it, we just got to keep this with us. National security, national security, hey, if the people will freak out if they know we’re taking all this money, national security.

So correct me if I’m wrong from what you’ve said, you think that it should be an open book if it’s related to the well-being of the citizens. Yes. If it is something to do with the military-industrial complex and how they can make better planes, bigger bombs, I don’t think it’s going to behoove me to know. Me knowing that information isn’t providing me any sort of more survival in my life. But if they got alien ships up in there and they’re trying to reverse engineer this technology, I got a right to know, dog, this is my country. There should be more transparency for sure, but it’s not national security.

So here’s the thing. Your Majestic level of clearance, and you receive an alien ship and it’s got technology that is more advanced than we are, way more advanced. Your boss says, hey, in the hands of the North Koreans this could end our way of life. You’re still of that mentality? For the sake of aliens and what we’re doing here with Area 51, let’s keep it top secret so that the enemies won’t come. So not only do your citizens not know, but your enemies don’t know. I hear you on that, but I still don’t, we should know about that. And what makes you think we trust you, government? They’re like, no, no, we’re not going to screw you over, we have never screwed you over, not one time. What about Project Mogul? No big deal, that was an accident, it was a balloon, I never trust balloons.

So there is a point where, obviously there’s no such thing as 100% transparency. But it’s really easy for the government to be, well, this is in your best interest. But why are you deciding what’s in my best interest? How do you know what’s in the best interest of 375 million other people? You’re making that decision for over a quarter of a billion people. How can you decide that for us?

So a lot of the testing of new and secretive military aircraft is likely responsible for much of the connection between Area 51 and UFOs, especially when considering that the term UFO doesn’t directly refer to aliens, this is unidentified flying object. So it could be an enemy, and you’re like, what is this new technology that we don’t even know about. But usually when we’re talking about UFOs we’re talking about what Sean saw, the skywaves. Go back to episode number one, we talk about it. Do you think that was alien? 100%, dude, there was nothing that, that was not Tampa city council, my Wi-Fi doesn’t work while I’m in the bathroom, so you’re not going to create something like that, impossible.

So what we call Area 51 is only one of many military bases, laboratories, scientific research centers across the country that deal with classified top secret information where workers and visitors need high-end security clearance. Majestic. And I quote from Radford, he says there’s no reason to think that UFO related things are going on, but more government related things. Nothing to see here, just doing government things.

So aside from the sightings of strange craft and Roswell, Area 51 mythology was reinforced in 1989 when a man by the name of Robert Lazar claimed that he worked on extraterrestrial technology inside the Area 51 base. Lazar told Las Vegas television reporter George Knapp that he had viewed autopsy photos of aliens inside Area 51 and that the US government used the facility to examine recovered alien spacecraft. Lazar himself has been discredited many times, but his claims resulted in numerous government conspiracy theories, most of which involve extraterrestrial life. It’s really like, you can play both sides. Oh, he’s full of it, but then, well, he’s not going to be able to come up with any kind of evidence, everything’s in there. But how easy is it for the government to discredit this guy? We got a guy over here named Bob, go send the discredit over there. What’s our defense budget this year? 500 billion, no problem, let’s just discredit this guy.

This is a damning quote about Lazar from Radford. He says a lot of the legend has been fueled by hoaxers such as Robert Lazar, who appeared in the 80s telling a story to TV stations that he worked there and saw alien bodies and crashes firsthand. It got a lot of attention but it was later revealed that he fabricated not only his employment there, but indeed his entire background. Almost nothing of what he said has been true. How do you fabricate working for a place that there’s probably no records of? That’s the thing, how, he never worked here. But you know what I was thinking, this whole time, we’ve watched documentaries, we watched Joe Rogan, I believe Bob Lazar, but now I’m thinking, okay, well, why do you believe him? I’m just thinking, why wouldn’t he get arrested if he’s really telling these top secrets, isn’t it treason?

Define treason. Spilling secrets that you’re not supposed to spill, classified information. What’s his name still in prison? He’s not in prison, he’s in Russia. No, the other guy is still in prison. Snowden, I was thinking Snowden, and the other guy, Assange, but he did WikiLeaks. Leaking inside information about your time as a government employee, that is so messed up. Julian Assange wasn’t a government employee, he just owned a website. I don’t agree with going after both of those guys. If the government goes and arrests him, it’s kind of like it makes it valid, that’s such a good point, just crack the code. So then let this guy, let everybody think he’s crazy, let’s discredit him. Because if you go after him, it probably makes more fanatics, oh, there is aliens there, they’re trying to go after them. Whereas maybe it’s in the benefit for them to go after Snowden.

Are they listening to me? They’re like, yeah, we know everything you do, of course we do. That’s kind of scary, it makes me want to mess with the government, but this makes, oh, they’re definitely listening, they know everything. Every Alexa is listening, literally listening to our podcast 100%. Everyone has had this experience where you’re sitting there talking about something and then two minutes later you’re getting an ad for it. They are listening, and somehow they’re still getting away with it. Whatever fine print you do when you get your phone, they’re allowed to take it for marketing purposes, but there’s no one policing it. It’s me, I don’t trust the government.

So Lazar, regardless, set the ball rolling. No matter if you believe it or don’t, the rumors of alien tech at Area 51 were cemented into public consciousness and pop culture. Lazar is famous, he’s the alien guy, he’s the UFO Area 51 guy. The thing about Lazar that gives it validity is his concept of what the propulsion system is, it makes sense. It actually does make sense, because the progression of technology that we couldn’t have done on our own. He explains the propulsion system is not really propulsion at all. Propulsion is when you use energy out there to push you the opposite direction, whereas theirs is like a gravity engine where you actually fall, if you can focus gravity to a point.

The reason I think it makes sense, this is my scientist coming in, there’s a concept of a black hole. A black hole is this infinite gravity pit. There’s speculation and theories, obviously no one knows, that black holes are wormholes, they’re actually rifts in the spacetime fabric, and space and time fold up and you end up on another part of the universe. So you have to think of it, the fastest known speed that we on Earth believe is the speed of light, which I don’t believe, I think there are speeds faster than the speed of light, and I’ll prove it right now. What’s one thing light can’t escape? Gravity. So light, despite being the fastest known quantity we know in the universe, can’t escape a black hole. Therefore that gravity, the pull of gravity, is faster than the speed of light, because if the light was fast enough it would just escape the gravity, but it can’t. Therefore if you can focus gravity fast enough you can fall infinitely fast, you can literally arrive at a point. Imagine you’re in space, there’s no medium, no friction, and you could just make gravity ramp to infinity, and you’re like, oh, I’m here. So that’s why I think, what’s faster than light, gravity. And that’s what he explains he was working on, trying to reverse engineer a gravity engine, and they had an element like 116 or something, I don’t remember exactly what it was. That is wild to think about. I think about that all the time, constantly, it’s cool.

Well yeah, because that’s my biggest speculation about why I think aliens are here. Look at technology years ago to now. We advanced a thousand times more in the last 50, 60 years than we did in the last 5,000. So why is that? When they had the old supercomputers they’d be a building worth of servers, and literally my phone has the power to do what the entire US government could do 60 years ago. My phone alone is more powerful than that. Are you saying that’s coming from aliens? I’m saying it’s possible, I’m just saying, what caused this massive leap in technology? This extraordinary, we used to use vacuum tubes on our computers. That is not alien, it’s debatable. I subscribe to the man, man can do anything. Are you converting Eric? No, he subscribes, he says he doesn’t even believe that they came to visit. He subscribes to man can do anything.

I subscribe to man has developed this, but I like his argument. I do think that they’ve visited and we’ve gotten some technology from them, especially flying technology, propulsion. But you don’t think this technology, 60 years ago, no, I don’t think the computers are alien. 60, 70 years ago if I showed this to someone they’d be like, I’m a sorcerer. True, but it’s so slim, because for the last 5,000 years the technology has been roughly the same. They’re like, oh my God, we made the steam engine, holy crap, we are gods. The industrial revolution, look what we have created, and then now I have a terabyte in my hand. I would throw in here that maybe you’re discounting progression of technology, exponential growth specifically on that technological advancement, because there’s something called Moore’s law, you heard that? No, this sounds like some fake stuff, I love it.

It’s a law that states that the number of transistors on a microchip doubles every two years, so that means the speed and capability of the computers will increase every two years, that’s why it’s gotten so much faster. So one of my first computers I was super stoked to have 100 megabytes, 128 megabytes, now my phone’s got more than that. So pretty much by exponential growth of technology, so by Moore’s law we’ll be at Skynet in like two years. Look at what AI is doing these days, that’s true. I dig the argument though, I really do, I love the argument.

So just going forward a little bit, pop culture, media, Hollywood, things just took off. Independence Day took it to a whole another level, it was all about Area 51, aliens. That movie was about Area 51, not necessarily, but essentially it all was, the last remaining safe hold for humans was Area 51. Well maybe it’s because there was no aliens there, so it was the only place aliens couldn’t go to. They knew it was there, like reverse psychology, the only place untouched by aliens is Area 51, oh my God, gaslighting. But it just kept going. It’s in Doctor Who, in a 2011 episode. And then it was in a 1998 season 6 episode of X-Files, Mulder and Scully witnessed the flight of a mysterious craft at this random facility, it’s very Area 51. Then Area 51 was also in Marvel, season seven of Agents of Shield, they have seven seasons of that, I’ve not seen one season. But they mention it by name. Spider-Man No Way Home, J. Jonah Jameson, the publication of The Daily Bugle, he talks about it.

So then in 2019 this one was crazy, do you remember this? There was a Facebook event created called Storm Area 51. So they like clap them cheeks, they fought the aliens, it’s ridiculous, the whole thing was so stupid. There was like millions of people. It was a Facebook event called Storm Area 51, They Can’t Stop All of Us. And as the name suggests, the supposed plan was to charge at the base in large numbers to overwhelm the security and the fences. The aim was to uncover secrets of alien technology and research, so stupid, you realize it’s an Air Force base, right? Here’s what’s wild, 6,000 people showed up. There were millions of people on the page, so 6,000 people made it to this summer event and took part in some activities, but then it turned into some weird beer fest where they started doing axe throwing and cornhole, a bunch of people just hanging out in the desert. Anheuser-Busch came out with an alien themed Bud Light, really, and then they just started drinking, it’s like Burning Man but less popular.

And I quote, it began as a joke but some people took it seriously and began planning to actually, well, it’s unclear what they were all planning, but hang out near the entrance of the fences and have fun. Storm, the tiny town of Rachel braced for huge crowds and a music festival that just never really happened. There had to be some drunk guy that’s like, screw it, I’m going for it. It was a huge fiasco, a little bit of a smaller scale of the Fyre Festival for the alien crowd. At least no one paid like 20 grand for a specialty tent at the Storm Area 51. They’re trying to put that on again, they announced it. Trust me, this one’s going to be different, I swear. But there you go, that’s Area 51 all the way up to present day.

It is what it is. We can all agree that there’s no evidence at all, but we can all agree that it’s a thing, it’s a place, 100%, it’s a base, even the government agrees. Everyone agrees it’s a place, it exists, whether or not what they’re doing, no evidence, there’s no evidence at all, zero. So back to the satellite thing I was telling you about. I was doing research and another theory is that everything that’s going on is inside these mountains, so no matter if you get any kind of drone or satellite from any country, you’re not going to see anything, everything’s happening inside. Obviously you wouldn’t be working on a spaceship in front of some bay windows. You don’t even know where it is in these 90,000 acres, if you did want to bomb it, that’s a good point, it’s just super hidden, clandestine stuff.

So what do you think’s going on? Let’s start with Sean. I think there’s definitely some sort of alien technology development happening there, for sure, 100%. I’m just laughing at Eric’s face, we have not established a goddamn thing. There’s no evidence, okay. So there’s no evidence, but Eric, there was no evidence that you could make a light bulb, but they made it. There was no evidence that you could make a combustion engine, you made it. Where was the evidence? How did you make this, sir? There’s no evidence. I’m just saying, am I allowed to have a thought? You can have a thought for sure.

I personally believe that there is, because I personally believe that we were able to advance so much further in the future because of some little taste of that technology. We went from these propeller planes in the 50s and now we have the F-22 Raptor that can hover and rattle off 17 missiles at you in a second, break the sound barrier, take off. What the hell is that? So walk me through the progression of it. An alien came down, right, what happened? Here’s what I think happened. I don’t actually think we were reverse engineering it, I don’t think we could, I don’t think we could comprehend even if we did have a crash vehicle, I don’t think we could actually do it. So what I think actually happened is it was given willingly. I think it was like, hey, and that’s why I think things are so convoluted, because I do think that at some point in time some sort of alien life form came down, hey, what’s up, this is what’s happening. It could clearly, by all the surveillance, knew, here’s the people in charge, this is how this planet works, these kinds of nations, and gave them, like, here, we’re going to give you a little taste of technology.

Not a ship, like a science book, no, like, here, here’s a new transistor that you can use without using a vacuum tube, here, check that out, make a little computer with that, trust me on that. And what the hell, how’d you do this, easy peasy, figure it out. Here’s a taste. But so he speaks English now? He taught him, take it out on Jorge, he did that, look at him, give him the look, doesn’t feel good, does it. So you clearly believe the aliens have been here, but I don’t think they came down and were like, oh, let me hook you up and give you this, they had to get something in return. I’m not saying that they did it for free. Well, that’s what I thought you were saying. I think they’re getting something in exchange, what it is I don’t know, whether it’s let us test on people, give us your scumbags you don’t give a crap about, whatever, we get to do whatever we want with them.

Or it’s like, hey, here’s the thing, everyone always says gold and it’s so funny, I always think it’s probably some stupid mineral that has nothing to do with gold, like, give us all your carbon. I feel like they’re always trying to prop up gold like it’s so special. I really feel like they come here, we need the sand, give us all the sand, please give us the sand. So I think they wanted something and they were like, okay, instead of just trying to take it, we’ll give you a little something and you’ll give us what we want and we’ll be cool. You get a little bit of technology and you give us whatever it is they want, I don’t know what it is, but I feel like there was some sort of exchange. They’re like, we won’t mess you up, just give us this stuff and we’ll give you some technology and everybody be cool.

So then in Area 51 they use that said technology, they’re like, oh, let’s make more, let’s make it more advanced. And do you think it happened like once, do you think they come back every once in a while? I would presume it’s probably like there’s a relationship, because if there was some sort of exchange factor happening, they’re like, hey, if we want more of whatever we’re exchanging for, we’ll give you a little bit more, like a standing date, every five years. It’s like you re-up on Amazon, I’m out of coffee, set up a date, I’m going to send you a Zoom link, a Google Calendar. They don’t even come anymore now, they just Zoom. Can you imagine you’re looking through your emails, alien meetup, oh, it’s today. It’s like an interplanetary booty call, it’s like Tinder, it’s called Probe. All right, here’s what I think. Interesting theory. Cool theory.

I feel like Eric always instigates everything I say. I didn’t instigate anything. Eric’s like laughing. That’s because you’re always yelling at me and then finally there’s some conflict, not me. I did think you were like, interesting theory, but what I thought you meant was like, loser, that’s what I heard. I hadn’t really thought about it like that, I think it’s more of the accident. So there was probably a crash or we took it down, maybe, I don’t know, lightning. Our military might have taken one down, if something comes into our airspace we’re going to take it out, we’re going to shoot at it. So I believe, like, happy accident, something happened, so we got a hold of one of these and then we take it to the top secret, top clearance, Majestic clearance type of place, and I do think then we start to reverse engineer some of this. We have no idea what kind of technology it is, but I do think we’ll figure out some of it, or maybe all of it.

Just look at the advancement in technology, but on the military side, not just society. They got planes that radars can’t detect. How fast can we go now, 500 miles an hour? No, it’s way more, I think the fastest you can go on a manned ship is maybe like Mach 3. And 70 years ago we were going 150 miles an hour. So we got some tech out of them and then I think we’re using it for building up our military and our national security. Sorry, Mach 10 is impossible for humans due to the sheer amount of G-force, so your face would melt back, your bones would snap, pancake. But they have launched ships that go Mach 10, but it’s unmanned. So in 2004 NASA launched the X-43A, which is the first ever air breathing hypersonic vehicle, into the atmosphere achieving Mach 10 speed. Mach 10 is 10 times faster than the speed of sound, so it’s like 7,000 miles an hour. The max air speed record is 2,193 miles per hour, Christ, that’s so fast. So the fastest speed which humans have traveled is 24,000 miles per hour, but that was in space.

So it’s pretty close to what Sean’s saying. The only reason I have my theory is because I just don’t think we could reverse engineer that. We’re on the same vein, it’s just mine’s like it was a gift, his is like we figured it out on our own. Somebody exploring the universe and then it was just accidentally, what do we have here, oopsy daisy, I’m going to take this apart. And we did talk about in the other episode that even the Pentagon has released information verifying that there is unverified, no, verified, well, it’s unverified, it’s verified to be unverified, it’s verified, brother.

All right, you guys are going to hate mine, it’s all fake, aliens don’t exist, I think it’s all crap. I think we advanced our technology through ingenuity and through the power of man, through hard work and ingenuity. So you still think they don’t even visit, no, nothing. So if they don’t visit then obviously it’s impossible for us to have anything in there in Area 51. This is exactly why I think Eric is actually a closet flat earther. The mathematics and the odds are so low that I’m probably right because they’re so low. Whose math are you doing? I’m just talking about the math of the size of the universe.

How do you explain Sean’s encounter? I don’t, and I’m not going to take that away from him, something obviously happened. I’ll let you talk to my dad, and my dad does not believe. Here’s where I go back to it a lot and it frustrates me a little bit, so many things in technological advances and all these things, thousands of people and thousands of visits, and not one piece of evidence. I wouldn’t say not one. 90s VHS video? You may as well call Bigfoot real with that video of him saundering through the creek bed. There’s videos from the most advanced air planes on the planet. I still go back to it, how many phones are there with HD, all of them, on the planet, put a number on it. There are 8 billion people, 4 billion maybe half. There are 4 billion HD phones on the planet and we can’t catch one piece of real tangible evidence of alien life. There’s literally videos from the most advanced airplanes on the planet, those are in infrared. There’s always a reason, the cloud structures came in, it was a cumulus cloud, the lightning came, can’t see. Eric doesn’t believe the infrared camera from a 60 million dollar airplane. I haven’t seen it. You’ve never seen the Tic Tac video? Oh, we’re going to go with the Tic Tac video, I mean, that’s just one, it’s from a 60 million dollar airplane. I also saw Abe Lincoln sing Barry Manilow on TikTok, so how can you, it’s just not enough.

Eric only believes something that can be proven on Instagram. I only believe something that has been proven that I can see. You need it to show up on your fake news network and then you believe it. Eric, how are you going to even get this evidence, do you ever go, like, it’s not one of these videos or radars, what kind of evidence do you want, a picture, there’s not pictures and video on a spaceship, he wants to meet an alien, I want a basic video of, hey, I’m an alien. Here you go, Eric, nothing else works. Have you ever had intuition, like a gut feeling, oh man, I shouldn’t do this, how do you prove that? That is based on hope, you had a feeling something was going to happen and that thing happened, you’re diving into hope. So like, I’m hoping they are real, I guess. I was giving you a point, saying you only believe what you can see. My thing around that, okay, if there were beings that could travel the galaxy, you think they couldn’t not be seen by a camera? I understand your point, it makes sense, there isn’t a lot of evidence at all.

I do want to clarify, I do believe in aliens, he just doesn’t believe that they’ve come here. I think we underestimate how remote we are, it’s so far out, you’re underestimating how much life form is out there, possibly, and that doesn’t mean that they’re remote to, I could be underestimating their ability to be incognito, if that’s the case then they could just be incognito. Eric doesn’t make a bad point. I think as a whole the human race is super conceited, like we’re so special and of course the aliens want to come see us. So that’s why I do believe the aliens come here, but I think it is for some sort of exchange, like they want something, that’s the only reason they’re here, they’re not here because we’re cool. It’s been going on for thousands of years even in the human race, trade, trade, trade, I want some berries. We traveled from Europe to the Americas and we trade with the natives, here’s some beads, give me your land, that’s a microcosm of what could be going on, from galaxy to galactic scale, exactly.

So on Area 51, just to wrap mine up, I think it’s illegal technology that they’re skirting the law on, and there is a conspiracy there, because they’re doing things that they shouldn’t be doing. I believe that with regards to the military planes type thing, and espionage, taking things from other countries, but aliens unknown, it really is unknown. But I do believe there’s some sort of, they are using some sort of alien gifted technology that they’re developing. And I believe it’s accidental technology that they’re developing. And I could understand that, because there’s chaos in the world, you crash land, very possible.

All right, so next episode we are going to do present day UFOs and UAPs, so this is balloons coming in from Canada and us shooting them down, North Carolina shooting down, the chaos in present day. We’ll go into more what’s going on with the government releasing all the information they have on them. It seems like they really are into calling it UAPs now, changing it to that. We might even get a little touch on Project Blue Beam. So there you go guys, that’s the episode, thanks for tuning in.