Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. It’s Eric. Hey guys, it’s Jorge. It’s Sean. We are gonna talk about Stevie Wonder today. He’s a pretty amazing guy. Once in my life, someone needs me. That’s him. Yes. He is not just any musician. He is a wonder. Yeah. He’s beast wonder for sure. Yes. So he was born on May 13th, 1950 in Sagena, Michigan. And his real name is Steveland Hardway Judkins. And Steve. Steve. And it’s spelled S T V L A N D. There’s no E in the middle of Stevenland. Oh, okay. Yeah. Interesting name. He came into the world 6 weeks premature and that early arrival led to a condition called retinopathy of prematurity.

Interesting. a complication that causes the retinas to detach, rendering him permanently blind just right after birth. Oh wow. So he’s never seen anything like he does he has no frame of reference for anything in the world, right? I wonder if six weeks premature back in those days was like probably hardcore. It probably not like nowadays where it’s, you know, Yeah. 1950. Also, also if you think about it, the medical testing maybe it was even more than six weeks because you know nowadays we have ultrasounds and sonograms and all those things to really measure the pregnancy. Exactly. So back then, you know, he could have been 3 months premature for all they know.

I don’t know. I have no idea. You didn’t even know what if you were having a boy or a girl. You just gave birth and what happened, right? Even if the universe took away his sight, it at least gifted him basically like superhuman hearing, rhythm, and soul in return. Yeah. By the age of four, Stevie was already playing instruments. By 10, he was composing songs. And at just 11 years old, he was discovered by Mottown and signed to the iconic label, earning the nickname Little Stevie Wonder. Cute. Yeah, pretty cute. What followed was one of the most prolific and influential careers in music history. He’s written and recorded classics like Superstition, Sir Duke, I Just Called to Say I Love You, Higher Ground, and Isn’t She Lovely.

He’s the genius behind five number one hits before turning 21 and the first ever artist to win album of the year at the Grammys with three consecutive albums. Wow. Damn. Yeah, he’s amazing. He’s won 25 Grammy awards, received the Presidential Medal of Freedom, been inducted into the Rock and Hall of Fame. Wait, why the Medal of Freedom? So, he won the Medal of Freedom for basically his contributions to music and the arts. I guess you can get the Presidential Medal of Freedom for lots of random things. So, yes. Did he win that because he overcame being blind? and being so amazing. I mean, it’s possible.

He definitely had, you know, some pretty amazing accomplishments in music. So, I don’t know if it had if I wonder Yeah. So, wait, is he still living in Michigan while he’s I don’t know. I have a script. Okay. I know nothing. Yeah. Where was Mottown? I know. Honestly, Mottown I think Mottown was in like St. Louis or like um um what’s the Philadelphia? Yeah. No, I feel like all I comes to my mind is Motown. So, yeah, Mottown did the like they were the record label that had all kinds of iconic black artists on it. Oh, no. They had Marvin Gay, The Temptations, Smoky Robinson, Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, Supremes.

Okay. This is like Yeah. Lattest Night, Vinyl Richie. Holy [bleep] Okay, everybody. Yeah, huge. He’s won 25 Grammy awards, received the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He’s been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Rock and roll. And he sold over 100 million records worldwide. Damn. And he also helped campaign for Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday to become a national holiday. Wow. Yeah. His music has defined decades. His voice, soft, soulful, instantly recognizable, has carried messages of love, justice, joy, and heartbreak to millions. And his talent on instruments is ver virtually unmatched. He plays piano, synthesizer, harmonica, drums, bass, and more. Often all on the same album.

Damn. And here’s the thing, he did it all without sight. Right. So, you know, despite everything we have list just listed, despite the legend, the legacy, and the lifelong public understanding that Stevie Wonder has been blind since birth, there exists a persistent, bizarre, and pretty fascinating conspiracy theory that he’s been faking it the whole time. I’ve heard this, you know, and I guess the question is like, what degree is his blindness? Is he fully blind? Can he see a little bit? So, apparently he’s fully blind, right? So, no nothing. He can’t see anything at all. And like I said earlier, like no frame of reference.

So, like he he doesn’t know what a table looks like. I mean, I’m sure he’s felt it and he can understand that, but like, you know, he doesn’t know what the trees really look like. He doesn’t know. The conspiracy didn’t come out of nowhere. It was sparked by a specific moment. In 2010, Stevie Wonder was on stage during a performance at the White House sharing the stage with Paul McCartney. Mid-performance, a microphone stands to fall near Stevie. Before it hits the ground, he catches it instantly. Oh, but he has heightened perception. Like he’s like Spider-Man. Yes. So if he can’t see, he can hear. He can feel like all those things.

Like he pro it could have been like a gust of wind and he was like, “Oh, yes.” I don’t know. Yeah, I could see it both ways, but I’m not Okay. Anyway, but it’s still like Yeah, it’s still weird. But the blind dude caught it immediately. So, um the video clip went viral and for conspiracy theorists, it was the Rosetta Stone. The Rosetta Stone. Isn’t that what teaches you how to talk a different language? Teaches you different languages. Also be some sort of Rosetta. What the [bleep] is it? So, Rosetta Stone, the name smoking gun. There’s no smoke coming out of any [bleep] gun. Oh, there’s Okay, we’re like, what does language?

Yeah. What is language of the ancient times have to do with with him catching a microphone? I mean, Spider-Man is more like that’s more on point. Are we recording? Yes, sure. Spider-Man, pay attention. So, he’s like the Spider-Man. He’s the Spider Alpito. He’s He’s the Spider-Man. He used his super senses. Spidey sense to catch the mic. Mhm. Okay. Big deal. Good. No [bleep] Rosetta Stone. How did he know that it was falling? Was it a fluke? Muscle memory? proof that he has actual sight. The moment kind of became like the crown jewel of Stevie skeptic lore. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, like it was like, oh [bleep] Like everybody thinks, oh, maybe like how was he able to do this?

Oh, he’s not really blind. Which in his defense, like I said, could he be less blind seeing some shadowing? I don’t know. You know that’s true. I mean full blind like is it just black darkness there? What do blind people actually see there? I know that there is levels of like there’s a a gradient scale of blindness. Of blindness. Yeah. But let’s say you’re fully blind. Is it just darkness? I think it was just black. I mean wasn’t Helen Keller blind? Yeah. She wasn’t coming. She’s faking it. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right. So, she’s another option. Well, according to you and Jorge, but in my opinion as cuz I am Eric, she actually is blind and deaf.

But is she? But she’s full of [bleep] because how could she learn to read and write and talk if she can’t see, hear, or speak? You can’t. I mean, it’s also in the 1500s. I mean, honestly, how did she do that? 1500s. Didn’t she invent [bleep] is still alive? She is. Yes. No, she’s not. She’s not. She was born in like 1921. When was she born? Like the 1800s. Okay. 15 and 18. No, there’s like life. There’s like footage of her doing this [bleep] Helen Keller. Was the movie that I watched in grade school, was it fake? Was it a documentary that they just reenacted?

Eric, you’re the smartest one here. Why did I How did I increase my IQ by 300 points suddenly? Hey Siri. Hey Siri. When was Helen Keller alive? God damn it, Siri. was born June 27 and died. So she died in 1968. She was here. She was here. So there is actual footage of her. Oh, black and white. Wow. We’re both right. Not the 1500. I mean, I thought she was still alive and it’s been a long time. I thought she was born in the 1500s. So, I mean, that’s a long stretch. 18 something to 1960. Wow. She was alive during everything. She wrote books. Yeah.

Blind, deaf, and lived for like almost a hundred years. I don’t know. But also, we’ve talked about this. Yeah. Obviously, we already know the whole story. I mean, I already knew that whole thing that that’s when she was alive. Obviously, we already know this. Okay. So, Stevie and the crown jewel. Got it. Yes. So, stage vibrations, a lifetime of spatial awareness and sharp reflexes probably honed from decades of live performances set him up to know that the mic was falling and he caught it. Okay. Right. Yeah. So then probably the most famous story that we’ve heard is the Shaq story. Yeah. So Shaq, he kind of added fuel to the fire.

And in an interview, he casually dropped an a bombshell and said, “We live in the same building. I’m getting in the elevator.” And Stevie Wonder gets in. He says, “What’s up, Shaq?” and hits the button. Hits the button, too. Yeah. He literally got on, knew Shaq was in the elevator, and pressed the correct button to go to the floor that he was going to. And Shaq swears that he never said a word as Stevie was getting in before Stevie even greeted him. He smelled his cologne. I was going to say, in his defense, could have he smelled him, perceived it some other way. Yeah. Also, Shaq is like a literal giant.

So maybe you can he could perceive the spatial awareness of the giant. Have you ever seen that movie? Which one? Which one? Glen Close. She’s like, “Which one? Tell me.” I don’t know the name. Have you seen it? What did you say? She goes, “I smell your stinky. [Laughter] I have not seen it. And of course you Sean know about that line in that movie. And she’s all older. It’s after someone goes to the bathroom, too. She’s like, I smell just Okay. Was someone else there? Could the door man have possibly said Shaq’s in the elevator? I You know, I don’t know. Also, does he have a stick?

A stick? No, like a blind blind man stick. Yeah, like a stick. Maybe he was like, “Okay, that is a huge [bleep] foot. That’s Shaq. And aren’t his feet like size 37 or something crazy? He’s massive. And I mean, that’s what I was saying before was that like maybe like he could just sense this massive giant man in the elevator and he knows Shaq lives in the building. So he’s like, “Cool. Uh, hi Shaq. What’s going on?” And then casually presses the button, but he could know the buttons. He lives in the building. He might know the buttons. That’s feasible. Yeah. and he knows it’s five steps from the uh you know from getting on the elevator to the buttons and he knows where exactly the buttons are going to be I guess.

Yeah. Just to clarify Shock wears a size 22. Wow. Which is 14.66 in. Wow. Damn. That is a foot. Throw some D’s on. He’s got a big dick. He’s got a big old mustard on the moon. Okay. He’s got a Honestly, it would probably hurt the the D in your butthole, Eric. Yes. The D. That would really [bleep] hurt. Actually, let’s just get into it. That’s where it would go. Is 22. That means that dick is probably at least a [bleep] foot long. Like 13 [bleep] inches. A foot long right there. What’s the average? What is the average? Six. Yeah. What? It’s time for basketball and Uber Eats is dropping deals on game day favorites to keep you locked in on the action.

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Well, okay Sean, you don’t have to throw that out at us. Yeah, one time that’s a whole another kill me. One time I stepped on an anthill. Those ants crawled up and I got an ant bite on my dick. So for the rest of the week I wore a boot and hobbled around in a boot, right? Oh, you must have you must have really gotten injured from that one ant pile. Sean, no. Did we ever tell you about that story? I All right. So Shaq’s in the elevator with his foot. Did we find the average dick size? Yeah. 5.25. 25 5.25 doubling it. Yeah. At least probably trip.

Yeah. Shaq’s doubling the dick size. All right. Okay. So, all right. So, Stevie gets in the elevator. Yes. Shaq calls him out. Then, so then Shaq swore he hadn’t said a word before Stevie greeted him or whatever. He just was standing there in the elevator. He said, Shaq said no way he knew it was me. Half laughing, half confused. I’m telling you, he can see. O, so that’s probably the most famous story of Stevie. I mean, it is pretty weird. It’s pretty weird. So, the other thing about it about Stevie is that he loves cameras. He has lots of cameras, really nice high-end ones. Okay.

There’s a there’s like footage of him holding a Canon camera posing with models and snapping photos. Yeah. Like what are you taking a picture of? How do you even know where the [bleep] lens is? Yeah. Like how do you know if you’re in focus? You could feel the camera. But also also you can’t like you’ve never seen anything before in your life. So why are you even taking photos, right? Well, and for what purpose? Because you can’t see them. Yeah, you can’t see them. You don’t Does he even know really what a photo is? I mean, yes, he does, but Right. But he’s never seen it.

He does. Like, he’s been told like this piece of glossy paper is a photograph. It’s like a Also, what’s up with the sunglasses? Let’s just throw that out there. Well, that’s a Now you’re just being rude. Why? Just kidding. The sunglasses. What’s he covering? Well, okay. Have you ever seen Fetty Wop’s eye? Maybe he’s looking at it. Have you seen Fetty Wap’s eye? What the? No. No. You know who Fetty [bleep] is? I know who he is. Like it’s a web. Betty. Okay. Betty. Betty W. Sean. Here we go. Sean knows about Betty. Of course. Sean knows point in telling you this. Look at his eye.

Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. But but damn. One of his eyes is But there he is photograph. Look up Stevie Wonder. Is there a picture of him without his [bleep] Stevie has a fatty [bleep] Maybe his eyes are like that. Show it to me. Let’s see if there’s a show of him without his right there. I mean, I’m just throwing it out there. Is he covering something up with the glasses? Yeah, cuz like maybe he’s wearing the glasses so that people don’t know that he’s actually literally looking right at them, right? Oh, I’m just saying I I understand that blind people might wear glasses, but I’m just throwing it out there.

Sunglasses. Oh, stop. Let me see. I mean, one of his eyes is clearly okay. That’s a cataract. And then the other one, the other one looks clear. Yeah. Yeah. I’m just throwing it out there. It doesn’t look I don’t know. I mean, Jorge knows what he’s talking about because his wife is a nurse. My wife is in medical profession, you know. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, taking pictures. Yeah. So he he he loves his cameras. He has uh you know bunch of cameras. He’s just taken photos all the time and you know it’s kind of like why um I don’t know if there’s much released of like the photos that he’s taken.

You know it might also be that he is obviously an artist and he has an appreciation for the arts and you know it’s hard to believe though that he can’t see it. Also, like what beauty are you taking a picture of when you you don’t even know what like literally he might be taking a picture of like a blank wall or like you know the floor, right? Yeah. What is he taking photos of? It’s kind of weird. I a painting. Painting would be better for me. Even though what are you going to paint if you haven’t seen anything? I’m just saying. What are you painting?

I’m I’m not trying to be just like what are you painting? Like what are you painting? The abstract artist. Fine. Fine. What are you photographing though when you can’t see? Yeah. You have no You have no reality. But he has an imagination. He can imagine things. He has an imagination. Painting more than a camera. Yeah. Like what is his imag Like what is he like picturing in his mind? Right. Like you say you have blonde hair. He doesn’t even know what blonde hair looks like. What are you envisioning? Yeah. You could be like, “Oh, it’s a woman with light yellow hair.” And he’s like, “I don’t even know what the [bleep] yellow means.” Like, right?

What is yellow? Yeah. I wonder how That’s what I’m saying. He’s like, he has a camera. He’s like, “Okay, Eric, I’m going to take your photo.” What is he photographing of Eric? Also, if you’re blind, how do you know if you’re gay or straight? How do you know if you’re gay or has he had a lover? I He’s married with kids. Tons of children, Jorge. Tons of children. Yeah, he’s got lots of kids. Um, so he’s gay. He wrote, “Isn’t she lovely?” after his daughter. What’s lovely? Wait, what’s that? How does he know what beauty is about his baby? Like let’s go down the hole.

What’s my Sharia Moore about? His It’s about his wife. Of course. No, that song’s always so sad. I don’t know. My man. Okay. Yeah. Pretty Little Thing. What’s Pretty? I don’t know. Yeah. Saying throwing it out. Isn’t she love? Eric, stop laying it on thick there, Eric. Oh, no. I smell your nappy [bleep] Okay. Oh my We’re still Wait, what the [bleep] is this? What the [bleep] is this, Taylor? This is super. What is this movie? Oh my god. What is that? Only you would know that. Also, she said nappy. That’s super racist. Yeah, it’s nappy. Yes. Yes. Don’t say it. No, Sean. Nappy. Wait.

Is that from disgusting fingers? Ew. Gross teeth. Anyways. Okay. So, he could Yeah, he could smell Steviey’s Shacks. He could smell Shaq’s foot long. Italian foot. Wait, is it Italian? Oh, roast beef. It’s roast beef. That’s a [bleep] roast beef stick. Yeah, he smelt the BMT as soon as he got on the elevator. That what a foot long chicken foot long the Philly cheese steak. Fried chicken. [bleep] extra mayo. [Laughter] Okay. We should have known when we go here, guys. Okay. We’re disgusting. Yeah, obviously. So, the next thing was Stevie was in a Chrysler commercial. It came out in the mid200s and it had Stevie Wonder behind the wheel driving a car.

Okay. Well, that’s a little So, even though it was like clearly scripted and fictional, just the sight of Stevie driving was just some people were like this it’s a little off. This is weird. Yeah. Yeah. Also, why would you even cast a blind man to be driving your cars? Like, that’s a little unsafe. It’s not like as a Tesla commercial where it’s like it’ll drive on its own, but it’ll leave you under blind in the [bleep] back seat. Yeah, that’s actually a good marketing plan, which I just I like that, Sean. In case that comes out, I own it. Yes, I own the rights to nail it.

Okay. Yeah, that’s weird. Nailed it. And then so Lionel Richie, who is Steviey’s long I love him. Steviey’s longtime friend. Lionel all night. Lionel all night. All night. Is Lionel doing it all night, though? Yeah, I love him. Why don’t you like him? I like him, but is he doing it all night? You got He looks a little fem. Get a little closer. He He looks a little fem. I’m just I’m throwing it out there. He Yeah, I agree. He’s a little fem. He’s a little manicured, you know, like a little te. He has that soul glow. Yeah, I guess I could see that. Okay.

Yeah, was very feminine. Well, Prince, while we’re on the subject of foot longs, apparently was also hung like a horse. He weighed 68 lbs. It was old, very small, but big dick. That’s why he liked to wear those tight suits, you know, show off that knee. Yeah, like you, Sean. Sean’s like, I have one in my closet. It’s my prince outfit. [Laughter] You can be prince for Halloween. Yeah. Oh, yes. Sean, you should be prince for Halloween. You can be prince and I’ll be um you can be Glen Close from I’ll be I’ll be Yes. Glen Close from Deliver. Tell him I can smell I can smell your nappy [bleep] Okay.

Well, okay. So, his good friend Lionel. Okay. So Lion Archie, who is Steviey’s longtime friend and he’s also obviously a fellow music legend, he hasn’t really shut down the rumors. In various interviews, he’s told stories of how Stevie would navigate rooms like a little too well. And here’s a quote. He walked into a room, bumped into a table, and said, “Excuse me.” Lionel joked, “I’m telling you, he knows where everything is. Okay. But again, if you’re blind since birth, you’re going to know. Yeah. Like you have an awareness of the things around you. Like you have heightened senses. Sure. Right. You have to. So, let’s step back for a moment.

Obviously, Stevie has an uncanny awareness for his surroundings. He can perform flawlessly in front of thousands of people, nail complicated stage cues, and even banter with late night hosts like a pro. and his ability to quote unquote see the world through sound and touch is so refined that it looks supernatural. Like he’s obviously so aware of the his surroundings he can do that. That’s what everybody finds the that’s what makes the theory so sticky. Stevie is so good at navigating the world without sight. It tricks people into forgetting that he’s blind. Okay. So, he’s just he’s just an amazing person. So, what does Stevie himself think about this?

He knows that the rumors exist. He’s heard all of the jokes. In a 2017 interview, Stevie said, “This is a great rumor. It could make a great movie.” Interesting. On the Late Late Show, he teased the world by saying he was going to buy a plane and even learn how to fly it. Stevie joined James Cordon for a segment of Carpool Karaoke. Oh my god. I thought you were going to say he joined the [bleep] Air Force and I was like, “What the fuck?” Yeah. Okay. An honorary pilot’s license. Yes. So, he joined James Cordon for a segment of Carpool Karaoke. And when Cordon nervously asked, “Wait, wait, are you driving?” Stevie just laughed.

So, in my opinion, in my opinion, he just is like a Jedi cuz I’m Eric. And you love all the data. I Yes. And the data shows when you eat your breakfast, what do you eat again? So, so while I was eating my cereal today, I kind of came to the conclusion that he’s basically a Jedi and you know, he just has an awareness of his surroundings. That’s higher sense. He has higher senses than the average person that can just see things. Okay. So, you think he’s blind? I think he’s blind. Okay. I’m going to go on a whim and say I think he’s blind.

I think there’s a whim. What What whim are you taking? It’s a [bleep] fact. But it’s Is it I’m going to go on a whim and say that he is an African American. Is he saying um could he see shadows? Well, we just discussed this. There’s shadows. Hold on. I just have to [bleep] We can redact this. I walked down to the mailbox the other night with Jay. It was pitch black. No, this is a true [bleep] story. Walked down to put something in the mail and over there in the culde-sac where it’s pitch [bleep] black. No, this happened two days ago. It’s terrifying. We go down there.

All of a sudden, Jordan looks at me and goes she looks over there in the golf course and looks at me and goes, “Mommy, they’re coming after you.” Okay. She goes, “No, no, no.” She goes, “Mommy.” Yeah. She goes, “Mommy, someone’s coming for you.” Okay. Wow. The [bleep] And I said, “What the fuck?” I said, “That’s terrifying.” And then she’s just looking at me and I’m like, “Get the [bleep] We’re going inside.” “Oh, there’s a dead lizard. Get the [bleep] inside.” I was so [bleep] scared. This [bleep] happened. Okay. Anyways, I don’t know how we got on to that. Sean, what do you think? I think this is what I think.

I think he was born at a time where there was not a lot of medical advancement in the OBGYn community field. Yes. I think that he probably, you know, there was testing that could have been done and there was all these things that could have been done, but I don’t actually think that he’s 100% blind. I don’t think that. I think that he can see either silhouettes or shadows or he can see something. He can see enough to hold his [bleep] eyeball up to a camera lens to look through like or catch. I mean, imagine having a huge camera and you’re like like Yes. How I like that.

So, I think that he can see and his and his buddies have Are you making fun of me? No. No. Oh. And his his buddies have quietly let the [bleep] Here’s the thing, guys. Is he going to come out and say like, “Oh, I’m 100% blind. I can see nothing.” No. So, I mean, also his whole career is based on the fact that he is also like an anomaly. Like, he can play instruments. He’s won awards. He he clearly has beyond musical talent. Yes. He is obviously a phenomenon. like he’s not from this planet almost like he’s just an amazing person. But here’s a question though.

Is that okay? Of course. Is he scamming people then? No. If he can see a little bit, is it a little bit of a scam? No, it’s a little bit of a probably was not dealt the greatest hand. I mean, he had to fight for day. Yeah. But back in the day, he had to I mean, you don’t understand what it was like for my people. Okay. I I get it. All right. You don’t know what it’s like to be black. I had to travel here over the border. You were born in Texas. I had to travel I was not born in [bleep] Texas. I was born in Mexico and I migrated to Texas.

What? On your mom’s backpack? No. In a [bleep] on a what? In a horse and buggy. On a donkey. Like a donkey. On a donkey. Had to come here. I didn’t get my American citizenship until I was like in my late teens. Until you married your white wife. Till I married my white wife. What do you What do you call her? Wa. Wa. The wida. The wida. It means the blonde one. Well, all I’m saying is is I don’t think he should be. I’m just saying if he can in fact see a little bit, is it a scam? Has he ever come out and said, “No, guys, look, here’s my testing.

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So why don’t what is he doing? I don’t understand what he’s taking photos of. Honestly, for me, that is the weirdest out of all of the conspiracies. Like I can I can see how he would get on an elevator with Shaq and Shaq I’m sorry he’s a [bleep] giant and you can be aware of like if you go if you close your eyes and you go into your bedroom you have a pretty good awareness of where things are because you’ve already I fine you’ve already seen it but at the same time yeah but blind people also they they’re they memorize They memorize where everything is.

So like this distance is the bed, this distance is the door, this distance is true. They do talk about that like you can’t move things around in a blind person’s environment. Like you because they know that it’s really important to keep things where they are. Yeah. Well, but the camera’s super weird. I don’t know. I don’t know what you would take photos of if you can’t [bleep] see anything. Sure. For sure. I’d like to see him come out. You land the [bleep] plane. You [bleep] you lock it in as Eric because this is my mo. I don’t think that the conspiracy is real. I definitely think that he is fully blinded and he just has a very amazing awareness of his surroundings and he is able to use his extra his other senses to know what’s going on around him.

But yeah, that’s that’s my take because you know I’m Eric and that’s how that’s how I roll. I I think my take is I think he’s blind. I think there’s a high probability that he sees some shadowing to some degree or another to explain these things that we just discussed. Okay, that’s what I think. Yeah, that makes sense. I’m with you. I think you know it’s interesting you say that because you know what about your whole big spiel about you know humanity and having passion for human and the race and humanity. So to believe that he’s just like oh he’s blind like I don’t I don’t know where you going with that.

Yeah. Yeah. You where am I going with that? Humanity fit. He’s just saying he believes him. He’s saying he believes him. He believes him. He’s he’s taking it at face value. And the guy says he’s blind. He’s fine. Okay. But what’s shocking actually, Sean, is that um you don’t think it’s just a full conspiracy and he’s fully able to see everything and he’s faking it. No, I don’t think that. Do I think that Sean believes literally everything that he conspiracy? Sean believes we went to the [bleep] moon. He actually [bleep] believes that. And I sent him proof today that that didn’t happen. And he still [bleep] thinks we went to the moon.

in the third person. Sean Sean, who I talking about? I still think we went to the moon despite irrefutable [bleep] evidence that we didn’t from my wife earlier today. We went to the moon. So, yeah. Switch of samples. So, so Sean, what do you think? Fully blind, halfway blind? I think that, you know, the conspiracy is true and he can [bleep] Okay, Sean, what do you think? Do you think it’s true or I think I agree with you. I agree with you mostly because I feel like he I feel like he can see things. I feel like he’s not 100%. I don’t think he’s 100% blind.

I feel like he can see some depth or he can see shadows or he can see, you know, outlines or there is some light that comes through that he can see. You know, who also [bleep] knows? The guy’s rich as [bleep] He could have had like surgery, laser surgery or, you know, all the medical wonders and he could have been doing all these things to give him some vision. Yeah. you know, ozone chambers, l like all these things. It’s true. Yeah. So, that’s what I think. I think that Yeah, I do think he can see. I I do believe the conspiracy. I believe that Shaq wouldn’t lie.

Yes. No one would lie with a dick that big. And yeah, that’s where I’m at. Here’s here’s the thing. Why didn’t he ever come out and refute it? Because his whole career is based on that. No, no, right. But if if your whole career is based on you being blind and people are coming out saying these things, wouldn’t you come out and be like, “This is preposterous. I’m blind. He’s 75 years old. Maybe he doesn’t give a [bleep] He’s old as fuck.” Actually, he doesn’t need to give a [bleep] because But also, he might just think it’s all funny because he is actually blind and he’s like, “Yeah, this is haha super funny.” Like Britney Spears was replaced with a clone type of thing.

Yeah, that’s a whole another thing, right? I mean, she her A Lavine, you know, jumping in now Katy Perry. Mhm. Mhm. What the [bleep] You guys don’t know about that. That’s for another episode, guys. John Ben Ram. John Ben. Is Katie Perry is Katie Perry. Katie Perry. You got what? Outrageous. Wow. The Orlando, dude. You guys haven’t read that. Katie Perry is John Bené Ramsay 100%. They never solved this case. Yes. I mean, I mean, she’s young enough to not remember, you know. Who knows? Did Michael Jackson bleach his skin? Michael Jackson has tenia versaccola, does he? Which is also what I have. Is that why you’re lightkinned shot?

That’s what it’s called. He has [bleep] He had tenia something. No, he had alipcia. He has alipcia. No, he didn’t have [bleep] alipcia is when you lose your hair. Yeah, alipia. Michael Jackson. Yeah. Tia. Whatever. It’s the Tia versa. We also landed on the moon. Bye. John Ben Ramsey is Katy Perry. 100%. Agreed. That’s one I’ll go with, guys. Me as Eric, I believe also that Jean Benet Ramsay is Katy Perry. That’s another episode, guys. For sure. But for sure, we’re just putting it out there. And of all of the conspiracies, this is the one that I believe. I believe it, too. Yeah. Eric, put your foot long away.

All right. Yeah, baby. Wrap it up. So, uh, yeah, those are our conclusions and, um, you know, be sure to like and share the podcast, all that stuff. Thank you so much again. Patreon, guys. Yeah, thanks to the Patreon. You know, you guys make us live. Yeah, guys, thanks a lot. I really hope you guys enjoy your April 1st. And uh that’s it from the the Conspiracy Podcast. Adios, amigos. Nighty night.