Welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. Sean, Eric. Hey, what up everybody. So yeah, we’re here again for yet another chapter in our conspiracy book. We just got finished doing Kirk Cobain, hope you guys enjoyed that, that was cool. We got a lot of good feedback from you guys, a lot of bad feedback too, that’s fine, you know, good and bad feedback.

So what are we doing tonight? So tonight is MK Ultra. This is, I know dude, it’s one of the top top ones. Do you know much about this, Sean? I know a little bit. He’s been talking about MK Ultra for a while now, since we started the podcast. He’s like, we got to do this one, we got to do this one, and finally got to it, finally put it together. I know very little, just so we’re all clear. I think it’s always good to have someone who knows nothing, because you get that real unbiased opinion, and I’ll ask questions like, who’s that guy, what’s the government, what does MK mean.

I did a little digging. AKA I asked my wife, she also did a lot of research. So MK Ultra, in essence, it does stand for mind control. The K from control being a K is because it stems from Germany, and the German scientists who obviously got brought over by Operation Paperclip. And then we couldn’t really find anything for the Ultra. I think it’s just because they were trying to pump it up to the next level, like Ultra, you know. Well, shout out to our research assistant Tay. Thanks honey, you’re the best. She’s our number one fan, she actually is.

MK Ultra was a top secret CIA project and it lasted from 1953 to 1973. And so the CIA would conduct hundreds of experiments, sometimes on unwitting US citizens, meaning that they did not know what was going on. And that was to assess the potential use of LSD and other drugs for mind control, information gathering, and psychological torture. So that was the purpose behind the project. So these people didn’t even know. Well, some people, and some people were volunteers, which I will get into, I will get into all those different accounts.

So you said 53? Yeah, from 1953 to 1973, so 20 years. This is a long 20 years of this. 53 was Dwight Eisenhower as president, I think, after the war. I was trying to lay the scene of where we were in the prime of, we just won the war. After the war, all the soldiers come home, start banging their wives, and American boomers, the baby boomers, exactly. And America was on top, we’re the kings of industry, it’s a good time, what a time to be alive. I wish I was alive back in that time.

So pretty much how it began. So at the height of the Cold War, which was in the 50s and 60s, the government feared that the Soviets, the Chinese, the North Koreans, agents were using mind control to brainwash US prisoners of war in Korea, so in the Korean War, to use them against us, to do anything to get them to disclose information, to make them double agents, to use mind control to manipulate captured agents to either get intel or to make them like plants. It seems like it, because it wasn’t a war war, it was very much an intelligence thing, it was all in the shadows.

And I think it’s also, you know, at that time there’s a lot of, you’re just paranoid, like oh they’re doing stuff, they’re behind, paranoid response to this. And like these fears. Allen Dulles, who was at the time the current acting director of the CIA, he approved Project MK Ultra obviously in 1953 like I said, and the project was headed up by a chemist named Sidney Gottlieb. So this was a covert operation aimed to develop techniques that could be used against the Soviets to control human behavior with drugs and other psychological manipulators.

So essentially so they can program people to go out and do exactly. They were trying to do a vast multitude of things. You know, let’s say you could make an assassin who didn’t know what he was doing, and they would forget everything. This is where the story of Manchurian Candidate, exactly. Like you get a code phrase and they activate, like a sleeper agent. It’s terrifying. The program involved more than 150 human experiments involving psychedelic drugs, paralytics, and electroshock therapy. Just so you know, these are not hard numbers, these are estimated numbers based on accounts they were able to find. So over 20 years, this is not like a memo from Dulles to JFK saying we had 150 guys, this is a guesstimate. They don’t have an exact number.

So sometimes the test subjects knew they were participating in the study, they would volunteer, but other times they had no idea, even when the hallucinogens started taking effect. So you’re sitting there having a good time and then you start tripping and you’re like, what the. So many of the tests were conducted at universities, hospitals, or prisons in the United States and Canada. Most of them took place between 1953 when it started, but up to 1964 is when the bulk of these happened. Like I mentioned, it’s not clear how many people.

So the agency kept notoriously poor records and they destroyed most of the documents when the program was officially halted in 1973. Whoops, how did that get in the fire? How did that get in the shredder? The filing cabinet spontaneously combusted. Just store it at the Watergate building, no big deal. According to a gentleman named Stephen Kinzer, he’s an author and a journalist, he wrote a bunch of stuff about MK Ultra, and I quote, he said the CIA project was a continuation of the work begun in World War II era Japanese facilities and Nazi concentration camps on subduing and controlling human minds.

So Kinzer writes that MK Ultra’s use of mescaline on unwitting subjects was a practice that Nazi doctors had begun in the camps at Auschwitz and Dachau. Wait, what’s mescaline? It’s a hardcore hallucinogen, hardcore. Joseph Mengele in the concentration camps, he would drug people and mutilate people, and I guess what it’s saying is it’s the formation of it, literally they’re pretty much continuing. Kinzer gave evidence that the continuation of this Nazi agenda was actually happening, because he cited the CIA had secretly recruited Nazi torturers and vivisectionists to continue practicing on thousands of subjects.

And Nazis were brought to Fort Detrick, which is in Maryland, that’s where a lot of this happened, a lot of it was formed at Fort Detrick. And that’s where a lot of the main, there was only about probably 12 main guys in MK Ultra, and that’s where a lot of them were stationed, at Fort Detrick in Maryland. 12 main bad guys, like the ones doing the experiments, people involved in administering it, exactly, because it was super compartmentalized. Not a lot of people were part of MK Ultra.

So the first thing we’re going to cover here is LSD, obviously it’s a big boy in the room. I wanted to give a little backstory on LSD and how it came to be, because not a lot of people know this. A scientist by the name of Albert Hoffman, he became an employee of a large pharmaceutical and chemical development company called Sandoz Laboratories, just in case, big massive. So that was in 1929 he began studying medicinal plants as well as fungi, in essence to purify and synthesize things that could be used in pharmaceuticals.

So he first synthesized LSD on 16 November 1938. His main intention was actually to obtain a respiratory and circulatory stimulant. So he synthesized it and they literally just put it in storage for five years, didn’t test it, didn’t do anything, just made it, didn’t know what it was. He just put it literally in a box for five years. So on April 16th 1943 he was like, oh what do I have here, this little thing I stashed away, and he’s like okay I’m going to take some, your own stash, literally, like I think I’ll try it. He instantly was like, some stuff’s going down.

So he wrote, he described the feeling, and here’s how he described it. I’m affected by a remarkable restlessness combined with a slight dizziness. At home I lay down and sank into a not unpleasant intoxicated-like condition characterized by an extremely stimulated imagination. In a dreamlike state with eyes closed I found the daylight to be unpleasantly glaring. I perceived an uninterrupted stream of fantastic pictures, extraordinary shapes with intense kaleidoscopic play of colors. After some two hours this condition faded away. So like some random dude is like, take, try this. He was tripping.

So three days later he’s like, I’m going to take a little bit more. So he decided to ingest 250 micrograms of LSD which he thought was a safe amount. It’s humongous, it’s an ungodly large dose of LSD. Normally people will take one microgram, he took 250. So he lost his, he was tripping balls. His trip was not pleasant. He said people started to morph into fantastic creatures, office furniture moved and shifted like living entities, and he felt possessed by otherworldly forces. He calls the assistant, he’s like, I need you to help me get home.

So at the time, this is in Switzerland, there was war happening at the time, 43, World War II. So because of wartime restrictions you can’t have cars in the streets past a certain time, so a curfew. So he and his assistant had to ride a bike six miles to his house, and he’s tripping ultra balls. Like riding after a couple beers, I can’t imagine 250 mics of LSD. Side note, I used to live really close to Sean and I would bike to his house, and then I would have to bike home after, so I know the feeling. And luckily for you, going to your house was downhill, not a lot of pedaling.

This day became known as Bicycle Day and it’s actually a real thing, which until I looked at this I had no idea was a real thing. Acid heads all over the world actually celebrate Bicycle Day, because this was the first intentional dosing of LSD, the first time someone was like, I’m trying to get high, and did it. So it’s not like cyclists celebrate it, no, just drug addicts. Cyclists all over the world take their LSD and jump on a 100 mile loop, let’s go, it’s going to be a long one.

So Hoffman continued to take LSD in small doses throughout his life and he ended up dying in 2008 at the age of 102. 102, wow, died of a heart attack. So yeah, that’s the story of LSD. So now how does LSD play in the CIA? So the CIA began to experiment with LSD, which by the way is called lysergic acid diethylamide, that’s the technical term, go with LSD. No wonder they said LSD, they’re like, drug, we’re going to call it drug. This was under the direction of agency chemist and poison expert Sidney Gottlieb, who is the guy who’s running MK Ultra. So Sidney believed that the agency could harness the drug’s mind-altering properties for brainwashing or for psychological torture.

So this guy is the guy who kind of implemented it. I know the other guy was the creator of it, but this is the guy. No, this is the bad guy. I mean the other guy literally just made the stuff on accident, he wasn’t doing it for any reason, and then he was like, I think I’ll just take it because I like it. Sidney Gottlieb is a total piece of, this guy’s the number one piece of. So the CIA focused first on LSD and it actually came to dominate most of their programs, because obviously they were using a shitload of different drugs, all hallucinogens, that one had the most. That’s the one that they thought had the most potential, so they started using it the most, they thought that gave them the best chance of actually achieving the goal of, oh we’ll brainwash this guy and he won’t remember.

I’ve never done LSD. Same. I have. People I’ve talked to who have done it, it is one of the more extreme. But LSD, it’s hard to explain, it’s really hard. How many micrograms did you do? I mean there’s all these different names for it, like doses, tabs, micro dots. So in essence what you do is they take a tiny droplet and they’ll put it on paper, you put a paper, like I used to get it from a guy who would put it on a Pez and freeze it, so you just take a Pez and then like 20 minutes later, oh.

But compared to other drugs, it’s the one that manipulates your reality. Compared to, I don’t know, do you make the walls melt? No dude, you see stuff that doesn’t exist, like you actually start manifesting things that aren’t there. Your mind starts creating what’s not there. Most of the time you’re using what is there and then you’re adding to it. You take the visual stimulus and then that is getting altered and modified into other things. Whereas, which I did one time, first of all I don’t recommend anyone taking drugs, it’s not cool, but at the time I went into total darkness when I did it, which is stupid.

So the whole room’s black. I actually went in my closet at the time and I closed it, it was pure black, and after about 20 minutes, so what happens is, since there’s no visual stimulus to alter, you start, dude I was living out whole scenarios in my mind that I thought were real, and then I’d wake up and I’m in the closet and I’m like, I get the out of this closet right now, and it freaked me out, I don’t like this anymore. It sounds scary, it’s terrifying.

Like booze is a drug in a sense, but it doesn’t scare me, because it’s not a hallucinate. It’s not like mushrooms or psilocybin or mescaline or peyote, these things that literally, that just scares me, because they cause hallucination. Well thank you for giving us a peek into your dark past. I was actually part of MK Ultra, you got me. He programmed me to be on a podcast. The code word is night night, like activate, make people believe all podcasts. One day we just got to do that, the whole podcast guess in access, that would be fun.

Documents obtained from the CIA under the Freedom of Information Act in 1976 showed that in 1953 the CIA considered purchasing 10 kilograms of LSD, which is enough for 100 million doses. So this stuff is so potent that one drop is all you need, a singular drop, that’s all you need. If you take too much you’re for life, like you’re ruined. You need a pound of weed, I’m just trying to do a comparative, you have a pallet of weed, it’s equivalent of a drop. A pallet of weed is comparative to one square of LSD. And they were considering quote unquote purchasing 100 million doses.

So the proposed purchase aimed to stop other countries from controlling the supply. So pretty much they found out about LSD and they’re like, oh they can’t have this, they are not allowed to have this, they didn’t first invent this, they can’t have it. Back to your paranoia too, they’re like the Soviets are ahead of us, they already got their own LSD. This is America’s LSD. I always kind of find it a weird argument that they’re saying we just don’t want others to have it. Like we want all the Bitcoin because we don’t want nobody else to have Bitcoin. The thing is, it’s either they’re doing messed up stuff or we do the messed up stuff so they can’t do it, right.

Documents show that the CIA purchased some quantities of LSD from Sandoz Laboratories in Switzerland. While it can’t be proven they bought all of it, 100 million, oh they bought all of it 100%. Does it talk about a year, what year this was? This is 1953, in the beginning. So there is no hard evidence, there’s not a receipt, but they bought all 100 million doses, that’s insane. They were stocked up, ready to go. Who’s getting dosed? Everybody’s getting dosed.

I told the boys before the podcast, you guys know me by now listening to 40 episodes of us, I’m very anti-establishment, I don’t trust anybody, I don’t trust them, this is why I don’t trust the government. MK Ultra gets underway in 53 and then they started administering LSD to mental patients, testing prisoners, drug addicts, and prostitutes. So pretty much, who were the people that no one’s going to get pissed off about if they’re getting dosed, let’s go after them. I thought this was mainly a military experiment, there’s more. They started with miscreant mental patients, prostitutes, homeless people, drug addicts.

That was the modus operandi, they were like, okay we’ll start with the people that no one gives a about, and no one’s going to ask questions. You know if a prostitute ends up getting super messed up on LSD, who are they going to, oh the CIA made me do it, okay shut up, they’re going to jail. These are the untrustworthy people in society, that’s what they did. So they had to at least try it out first because they probably didn’t know too much about LSD at this point. They knew zero, they were like, okay let’s learn how these people trip and let’s learn what they say to us. Don’t worry, it’s a vaccine.

So actually in one case they administered LSD to a mental patient in Kentucky for 174 days. He lost his mind. What were you trying to accomplish, like on day 142 you’re like, let’s give him 30 more days? It’s still working, it’s still working, I think I like this. That’s inhumane, super inhumane, and it does get worse. So they also administered LSD to CIA employees, military personnel, doctors, and other government agents, and also members of the general public to study the reaction. So it’s like, okay we tried it on the crazy person, but they’re crazy, now let’s see what happens, you know, regular people, government agents, see how they react.

So the aim was to find drugs, because they used more than just LSD. So the aim was to find drugs that would bring out deep confessions, that would wipe your mind clean, something you could program them as like a robot agent, and when this happens you boom and you kill them, that type programming. Whose idea was this? Sidney. So military personnel who would receive the drugs, they were threatened with court martials if they told anybody, so you tell anybody you’re out of here. Who are they going to believe, they going to believe the man, they going to believe you, scrub? That sucks, it’s super upsetting honestly, like the more I talk about it the more upsetting it becomes.

Frank Rudolph Emanuel Olson. He’s got four names. American bacteriologist, biological warfare scientist, and an employee of the United States Army Biological Warfare Laboratories. He’s a military guy. And so Olson became one of the first scientists at Fort Detrick, that’s where a lot of this happened, it’s in Maryland. The Army transferred him to Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland a few months later, the Chemical Corps took over Detrick fully and then they established a secret biological warfare laboratory. So they take over the base and they’re like, okay cool, now we’re going to establish this secret thing so we can start making chemical weapons.

At Camp Detrick, Baldwin worked with industrial partners like George Merck, also the US military as a whole, and they were going to build top secret bioweapons, and so that began in 1943, mid height of the war. So it’s during World War II when they started doing this stuff. At the time, during World War II, there was a lot of interest on, hey we got to advance this weaponry, we got to be prepared, we got to be proactive in creating more and more. I mean if Hitler and the Nazis were looking for the ark, we got to do something ourselves.

So Olson also worked with ex-Nazis who had been brought into the country through Operation Paperclip on the utilization of aerosolized anthrax, meaning you can spray anthrax in someone’s face, terrifying. So like I said they were working with Nazis. So Olson eventually was discharged from the Army in 1944 before the war ended, but he remained at Detrick on a civilian contract, so he still was working for the military, he just didn’t have the, like your contract’s up or whatever, but he’s like, I make my money as a contractor. He continued his research there in aerobiology.

So then in 1949 he joined a lot of other Detrick scientists and they were in essence creating a different thing called Operation Harness, which tested the vulnerability of animals to toxic clouds. So they’re spraying it and putting the dogs in, see what happens. I’m just trying to give you a backstory, this guy’s involved in a lot of stuff. It’s crazy, you’re putting a bunch of dogs in a room and you’re spraying the room. So then in 1950 he was part of Operation Sea Spray where they would pretty much release this bacterium into coastal mist in San Francisco through a minesweeper and then they would see what happens. It pretty much reached all the San Francisco residents at the time, it was 800,000 people, and they would see what happened, and all this stuff is documented.

These are all declassified documents, meaning it’s all documented, like all this stuff happened, they got the receipts. In your hometown by the way, that’s what happened, maybe the Sea Spray messed them up. I am not from, you messed San Francisco up, I love San Francisco. Old head boomer, I was born in the 80s, this is 40 years earlier. So this is the 1950s, at this time a lot of senior military officials as well as CIA officers were starting to get freaked out about Soviet progress, and they’re like, oh the Soviets are going to master micro warfare and we’re going to be.

And so this fear led to them establishing what they call the Special Operations Division at Detrick, and this was in the spring of 1949. So the purpose of that was to conduct research on covert ways to utilize chemical weapons, so not just like hey drop a bomb, to do it secretively, or to actually use chemical weapons on individuals. So the Special Operations, I’ll call it SOD because I don’t want to keep saying it, SOD was highly secretive, and Olson became the acting chief of SOD within a year of its creation, so he became head honcho as a contractor.

So then he was assigned as a US Army contractor, he began working for the CIA as an employee, so he became employed by the CIA shortly after that. Then in 1952 he was appointed to the committee for Project Artichoke. So Project Artichoke was the precursor to MK Ultra, so Project Artichoke is known as an experimental CIA interrogation program, but in essence it was just like MK Ultra but before it morphed into MK Ultra. There was like three versions right before MK Ultra, or two, I think there might have been three. So who’s the guy who comes up with the operation names? One before that was Artichoke, let’s just go with that. Maybe it’s like you peel the layers of the artichoke back, like peel the layers back of your mind. But MK Ultra just sounds like a band name honestly.

So Project Artichoke was a mind control program and the Central Intelligence Agency’s code for carrying out psychological experiments using LSD, hypnosis, isolation, physiological harassment, as well as special interrogations on humans. You know your brother ever do the thing, I’m not touching you, do it on your chest over and over until it feels like a pound. There’s the spit one, they pin you down, do the spit and then they suck it back up before it hits your face. That would mess me up worse now. At first the agents would use cocaine, weed, heroin, and then they started escalating to peyote, mescaline. After all these tests they started to see LSD was the most promising, they’re like, we’re getting the most activity from this, we’re going to start using this one more.

And then subjects after the project, they were left kind of fogged with amnesia, they had weird memories, faulty memories, vague memories, they couldn’t really remember what happened. And then in 1952 the LSD was increasingly given to unknowing CIA agents, so they started just giving it to their agents, like, drink it, let’s see what happens. Apparently they wanted to see what happened when people weren’t expecting to take it, they didn’t know, it was spiked. So they were like, I guess we’ll start with people on the payroll, watch them, see what’s wrong. Dave, you okay, what’s happening? It’s messed up man, tell me how you feel.

You go on YouTube or social media, just type it in, you’ll see videos of people that didn’t know they were taking the LSD and part of this MK Ultra, and they just start tripping, start babbling, and they start asking them questions, interrogating them. It’s messed up. If you’re not suspecting it, then you feel that way, I would be terrified, why is this happening to me. One agent was kept on LSD for like 77 days. Just some of the stuff that they had on record of proving what happened. So Project Artichoke was succeeded by Project MK Ultra, came right after.

Here’s where things start to get a little spicy, if it wasn’t already. So by 1953 Olson had pretty much, he’s like, I don’t want to do this anymore. Oh good for Olson, look at all the messed up stuff this guy did, I know, but usually there’s not like a conscience or a curve on the story. Most of these stories are like they raped him, murdered him, dead. He became super stressed and his conscience was weighing on him and he’s like, I don’t know if I can do this anymore, and he’s starting to get waffly. And so because he was starting to waffle like this to his family, to his co-workers, they started seeing him as a potential security risk.

Because MK Ultra and these Artichoke ones, they’re highly compartmentalized, highly top secret, like I said there’s only like 12 who are in on it. It’s not like there’s a lot of leaks that can come, it’s like you’re one of the 12, it’s going to come from you. They saw him as a potential security risk and they’re like, we got to keep an eye on him. So you know the boys wanted to do some bonding, they had a little men’s retreat, this was with the closest MK Ultra crew. They had a cabin in Deep Creek Lake, they got it from a Wednesday to a Friday, it’s in Maryland.

They do have a list of the tentative participants at least. So the first one’s Olson, Lieutenant Colonel Vincent Ruwet who was actually the head of the Special Operations Division, so he was Olson’s boss. John Schwab who actually founded the division and was its lab chief. John, descendant of Charles, Charles first of his name, the breaker of chains. Then there was John Stubbs, Benjamin Wilson, Herbert Bert Tanner worked at Fort Detrick, John Malinowski he was a staffer, Gerald Yonnet and he was a Special Operations Division scientist, and then there was a couple guys from the CIA, Sidney Gottlieb, there was Robert Lashbrook who was Gottlieb’s deputy.

So Thursday evening, bunch of guys, cigars, they’re having a good time, it’s about 7:30, they grab drinks, they’re vibing, having a great time, and then all of a sudden Sidney Gottlieb and his deputy Robert Lashbrook are like, hey by the way we dosed the booze with a potential truth serum, and everyone’s like, what the. Obviously AKA LSD, later it came out that it was LSD, but he literally just dosed all the boys. And then we don’t know really what happened during the night, we just know that he literally dosed everyone there with LSD.

Hold up, say we’re doing a podcast, I’m like hey, I brought Miller Lights tonight, it’s on me, and then halfway through I say, by the way I dosed it, what do you do? I attack you, I physically assault you 100%. But before, I might tell you after you’re completely, I’m like, what’s happening to me Eric, what’s in these Millers? Oh well, you know, I forgot to tell you, but that’s because I spiked it, surprise. That’s messed up. I mean if I was this Olson guy I would never speak to them again, I would despise you, I’d be done.

So there’s not a lot of info on what transpired after that point, but I just know that the next morning Olson went back to his home and he was just different afterwards. So he’s having dinner with his family, he refused to eat, he seemed distant, he wasn’t speaking about the trip at all, his kids were like, what’s happening. He actually blurted out to his wife, I’ve made a terrible mistake. He literally said, I’ve made a terrible mistake. I wonder if that was the time he realized what he was giving others. It’s different when you’re just looking, you’re like, you idiots, kind of like saying, and now you’re like, oh my God, this exterior viewpoint, running this experiment.

So at this point in time MK Ultra had only been underway for seven months, and there’s 12 dudes who know about it, barely two dozen people that know about it. So then on November 23rd Olson and his boss Vincent Ruwet, who also got dosed, they went to work at Detrick, they were both kind of still messed up from the retreat because they both were recovering from acid. So Ruwet recalled Olson appeared to be agitated, he asked Ruwet, should he fire me, or should I quit. So you can tell he’s already, either you’re going to fire me or I’m going to leave, you decide, in essence is what he’s telling him. So Ruwet was able to calm him down, was like, hey dude chill, probably still coming down off the high.

How long does it take to come off of LSD? Everyone’s physiology is different, also LSD actually goes into your spinal fluid, so it lasts long. When I did it, it was like 12, 14 hours, but your body is like trying to get over it for whatever days. Imagine staying up but no matter how much you drink you won’t pass out, but you keep drinking for 15 hours, it’s like that, and then at the end you’re like, I hate this. Vegas, exactly, and then the next morning you’re just puking. Real quick, because I’m not knowledgeable in drug terminology, but is dropping acid the same as doing LSD? 100% same thing, it’s the same words, the same exact thing, just a different name, just like weed, pot, marijuana, grass.

So Ruwet later testified that Olson apparently got worse the next day too, said he was disoriented, he felt all mixed up, not only about himself but about work, and he felt like he couldn’t do his job, and that was kind of what he kept saying, that he felt incompetent in this field and he can’t do it anymore. But it was probably more moral remorse, I think it’s probably a multitude of everything, so messed up. Like you were saying, it was probably the first time that he felt what he’s doing to other people.

So on the next day, Tuesday November 24th, he attempted to resign, so he was dissuaded by co-workers and they ended up talking him and his boss and some of the other guys, and they ended up flying to New York. It was his boss Ruwet, him, and Robert Lashbrook who is Gottlieb’s deputy, he was one of the guys who dosed him, he’s also a doctor, and they were going to fly to New York to meet with a gentleman named Harold Abramson, a medical doctor linked to the CIA. Olson had actually worked with him a few years prior so he knew him. So I think they were like, hey we’re going to get you some help. It was also noted that Olson told his wife that he was going to seek psychiatric care, so he’s losing his mind.

I don’t understand why is he not mad at these people for tricking him. I’m sure he is mad but he’s chatting with them about his job, and it’s a little different, it’s not like he works at Denny’s and he’s like oh I want to quit, and like hey we swapped out the hash browns. It’s like he works with the top 12 with the same clearance as him, it’s like National Security. I would be so mad at them though, you’re like, they are not coming over for dinner. But it sounds more and more like he lost his mind, it seems like he was teetering, either that or just the lasting effects of the LSD, or just being around these people just made him keep feeling progressively worse. I think it’s a little bit of everything.

So around 2 a.m. on the morning of Saturday November 28th, so this is four days later, Olson plummeted onto the sidewalk in front of the Hotel Pennsylvania. The night manager rushed to Olson who was still alive and who tried to mumble something. Olson died before medical help arrived. Years later the night manager recalled, in all my years in the hotel business I’ve never encountered a case where someone got up in the middle of the night, ran across a dark room in his underwear, avoiding two beds, and dove through a closed window with the shade and curtains drawn. That’s crazy. He got up, went around the beds, pitch black in his underwear, dove through the curtain, the shade, the window. You know how many floors it was? I think it was eight, I think so. He died on impact? No, he was alive, he was still talking to him.

So when police entered the room they found Robert Lashbrook sitting on the toilet in the room he shared with Olson, like homie just jumped out the window and he’s taking his. He’s just sitting on the toilet. Lashbrook never did LSD, he’s the one who dosed them, that’s Gottlieb’s deputy. He’s just sitting there taking his, they come up and he’s like, what’s the problem, can you close the door, the homie just literally dove out the window, he had to break the window too. What’s the logical explanation of this? The guy on the toilet is like, I’m out of here, it’s not worth it anymore. I think the only logical thing is it happened and he’s like, it happened, he’s dead, I’m going to, and then 10 minutes later he’s like, I got to go to the bathroom, I’m going to call the cops.

The hotel switchboard operator reported having connected a call from room 1018A, that’s the room they were in, to a number listed as belonging to Dr. Harold Abramson, the guy they went to see. According to the operator who overheard the entirety of the brief call, the occupant in 1018A reported, well he’s gone, to which the call’s recipient had replied, well that’s too bad. Like what the. Well he’s gone, too bad, oh well. This doesn’t make any sense, Looney Tunes behavior. Why do you call, oh he’s gone, yeah too bad.

Lashbrook’s wallet contained the initials, address, and phone number of magician turned CIA asset John Mulholland. So Lashbrook claimed that he and Olson had visited Mulholland, although this is disputed by some. Just other tidbits of data, like hey was he connected. PS I think I want to be a magician just so I turn CIA agent so it could be on my resume, like retired magician, additional skills, magician. So at the scene and in the written report, the two police officers discussed similarities to the 1948 Lawrence Duggan case, in which a high-level government official suspected of espionage died after plummeting from his New York office.

The ensuing police report said that on his last night in Manhattan, Olson purposely threw himself out of the window of his 10th floor hotel room, I think this was the 10th floor because they were in room 1018. So similarities. I don’t know man, his speed from hitting the glass got slowed down, landed on his feet. Or he was just like one of those things they say, you’re falling, you’re not supposed to brace yourself, he’s just tripping so he’s like everything’s loose, he just bounces up off the ground. It’s like snowboarding, you’re supposed to hold a fist when you fall so you don’t break your fingers.

The police report said that on his last night in Manhattan, Olson threw himself out the window of his 10th floor hotel room which he’d been sharing with Lashbrook and died shortly after impact. He did die from the fall but, well obviously he died from the fall but not on impact, he gurgled, it was not instant. Why are you going to assign some arbitrary time to it? Because we were like, how did he survive 10 stories, and he did die from it. How did he survive until he died? Also if he jumped out he obviously didn’t jump head first, how do you know that? He would have died instantly, well no, 10 stories has time to rotate. How does he jump out the window if it was head first? I like drop kicked the window. So did he jump or was he thrown? We’re going to get into all these later.

So yeah, that was the start of the craziness. I wanted to give everyone one of the more famous stories, especially because this guy was literally one of the 12 people who actually worked on MK Ultra, and they dosed his ass like that. Nobody’s safe from getting dosed, they’re dosing the employees, they’re dosing everybody out here. I mean it sounds like LSD is suicidal, the story sounds crazy. The thing is, this would make more sense if he was high on LSD when he jumped, but he got off the LSD like 10 days prior. No but we don’t know that, there’s not an autopsy that says that he wasn’t on LSD at the time that he died.

Here’s something that I don’t know if most people talk about, but I’m pretty sure that based on that story, LSD messed him up from the get-go, meaning he took it and then it doesn’t matter how many days, I am now crazy, it’s just permanently in my system and I lost myself. I think that LSD is definitely not a drug that one should do unwittingly, you need to prepare yourself because you’re going to experience weird stuff, and if you’re not prepared to experience weird stuff you’re going to freak out and it’s going to turn real bad, it’s going to be like the worst night of your life. So you should just not do drugs, then you’ll never have to experience that problem.

It seems like LSD is what killed him. I’m pretty sure the fall from the 10 story building. I’m just going to do a wild card here, he jumped out of the window. Are you saying the first time he did LSD it made him jump out the window? From what we know that was the only time he did it. Well he didn’t even want it, they gave it to him, that’s true, it was so much, it stayed, it obviously, it’s coincidental, like 10 days later he wants to leave, quit, give up, kill himself. Do you really think that he was like, my wife and kids, I’m going to jump out this window? No, I think he just went crazy from the LSD, because if someone’s going to kill himself at the window he would probably open the blinds and open the window and be like, okay I got to hype myself up and get ready to do this, step out, taking it all in.

That’s not the way I would do it, my ideal is grenade, real quick, boom, no there’s no mistakes. I just do a gun, no the gun you could still survive, you could live and be a vegetable, grenade, zero percent survival chance. Shotgun, you don’t have a chance, if you do it under the chin, but that’s messy, close casket, your kids aren’t going to be able to mourn you. Cyanide pill, no that’s worse, cyanide death is terrible. That’s the movies, you don’t die instantly, it doesn’t work that way. Hitler did it, we’re not sure, is that why they burned his corpse? Cyanide doesn’t kill you in a second, it doesn’t work that way. We all watched James Bond movies, okay, like five seconds.

Cyanide pills, it leads to insane nerve damage, rapid onset of extreme pain. That would be a great bad guy though. Here’s a bad guy, I take a cyanide pill, it doesn’t work all the way, half my face melts off and I’m the bad guy now and I’m deformed and they’re like, why are you the way you are, oh I had a failed cyanide. That’s from a movie. I can’t have one original idea, I’m pretty sure it’s from the second to last Bond movie, Daniel Craig, it was with the guy Javier Bardem, and he takes out the mask and his teeth, he’s like, what you did to me. He was an agent and he was supposed to kill himself but it just nuked his face and he didn’t die and they tortured him anyways.

So we have a lot more coming for you, episode two. Definitely want to hear your insights, I want to know if you guys knew about this story and Olson and this whole thing, it’s wild. You’re going to want to tune in next Tuesday because it gets way wilder, it’s so out of control, it’s crazy that this is also sanctioned by our government, and this is why I don’t trust the government. You guys always call me, like look at Sean he’s, and you wonder why I don’t trust him. All right well we’ll catch you guys next time.