Hi everybody, this is Eric. This is Sean. What’s up guys, this is Jorge. Welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. We are on finale JFK, so calling this the JFK conclusions and theories. Yeah. How how how, what a great, really great decisive name. So here’s, here’s just a disclaimer, if you have not listened to the episodes before, then just stop what you’re doing and go back, listen to part one, two, and three. Seriously, like yeah, cuz you know, this is going to make no sense, you’re going to be like these guys are idiots. Now we’re going to talk about basically the, all the conspiracy theories that exist and what our conclusions are of the assassination of John F Kennedy.

I believe them all. So I, I’m going to start this podcast off with a poll that was taken in November of 2013, that’s not too long ago. This poll showed that 61% of Americans believed that Kennedy was killed because of a conspiracy. See, this is why you’re listening. 30% thought Oswald acted alone. And you know what’s cool, if you guys are listening on uh Spotify, you can leave us a comment, let us know which side of what percentage you left, we are curious. Yeah. And so, so that means 9% said, I don’t know, they like [bleep], no answer. I have no idea who’s Jon. [Laughter] Kennedy, lack of history.

Yeah, but anyways, 61%, to this, I, I mean at least as of 2013, believe that it’s a conspiracy. [bleep], might be high, majority, majority. Yeah, that’s right. So we’re going to start with uh a couple of the, the major conspiracies, and then at the end of this we’ll, we’ll get to our conclusions, and you know, solve the murder. Yeah, we’re going to solve, we’re going to reopen the case. Yeah, we’re going to solve this, we’ll take it to the supreme justice, and we’ll see what happens. Yes, it’s the error commission. Yeah. So the first, the first conspiracy that I always just found to be, I don’t know, hilarious or great, is the umbrella manh.

So the umbrella man is in a lot of the photos, photos of everybody scrambling on the grassy null. Jge, you were there, you know what the grassy null looks like. And I think we talked about this in the last episode too, you know, we touched a little bit on on the details of this guy. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so so you’re there, right? So you stood on the X. Yes, yes. So on to the right of that is this grassy area, and they call it the grassy N. I know, it’s like a hill. Yeah, so in a lot of the photos. Yeah, go. Yeah, I was going to say, and then behind him, what’s the guy’s name again that was taking the video?

Theud zuder, I was mix up that name, but but yeah, so the, so behind him there’s a guy taking the video, and men’s in front of him, if you’re, if you watch that video, you’ll see, you know, what’s a guy. Yeah, there’s a guy. And so on our website, eventually we’ll put up an image of the umbrella man, you know I mean, you, you’ll have, you’ll have the info through yourself. But so there’s this a man, and he’s carrying a black umbrella. Okay, [bleep], sunshiny day. This is November, uh, in Dallas, you know, it was a sunny day, there’s no reason that he should have been having a black umbrella.

Exactly, right, ridiculous. He was one of the closest people to JFK when he was struck by the bullet, so he was, he was super close to him. So as Kennedy’s limousine approached, the man opened up and lifted the umbrella high above his head, then he spun or panned the umbrella from east to west as the president passed him. That’s super, signals the hell. So then he was shot. Kennedy was killed, you know, uh, the man sat down on the sidewalk next to another man, had a sandwich. No. And then, and then, and then he, after sitting there for a while, he got up, and he started walking towards the Texas School Book Depository.

Oh, School Book Depository. So the, the, what people are confused about, or or like concerned about, is how calm he was, and how calm the man was next to him, and um, so they just sat there. Anyway, so the idea of this conspiracy is that the umbrella man was the signal caller for either Oswald or whoever killed him. I see. So he opened the umbrella and said po, that’s shot. But it’s also, it’s like it’s so like dramatic, like the waving it east to west, I’m like, couldn’t you have thought of like a simpler, just like open the umbrella and that’s the sign. Just no, I need to shake it.

So I mean, in short, that’s the conspiracy of the umbrella man. Um, there is another like offshoot of the umbrella man, which is that he, like, he like an umbrella gun. No, this one’s, this one’s crazy, and it’s endorsed by one of, Colonel, that’s the craziest part. So the umbrella man, this, this, this is a little bit far-fetched, of the umbrella man, which is that he used the umbrella to fire a dart to paralyze JFK. So he hit him, so he opened the umbrella and shot a dart, and paralyzed JFK, and so that’s the part when he grabbed his neck. But he got shot in the [bleep] neck.

Was he also a sharpshooter? Seriously, a sharpshooter, I know. H, a moving Target with umbrella, Dark Gun, get the [bleep] out of here. So it sounds pretty crazy. I love, who, who’s this Colonel who’s like, oh, this shit’s legit. Honestly, it’s Colonel colel Fletcher, where are you at? Yeah, Fletch, I don’t believe you. Yeah, you’re full of [bleep]. So, but the idea is that he shot him with a dart, and then he like, but why, he paralyzed them, and then he, then the, the head shot came. Yeah, you know, you know a good way to paralyze someone? Shoot them in the [bleep] head, you don’t need a dart for that, like come on.

Okay, so later on in time, uh, there was a journalist named pen Jones, he was approached by somebody who was named Louis Steven wit. I just, G to say, sorry real quick, pen, like being a journalist and your first name is pen, that’s [bleep], that’s like clutch, that’s super legit. So this Louie Stephen wit, he said that he was the umbrella man, and he said that he, he, he just wasn’t like, he doesn’t understand why there’s a conspiracy. He’s like, I just, umbr, yeah, he’s just like, I had an umbrella. And uh, like this was in 78, and he claimed to be the umbrella man.

He claimed that he actually did it because he was anti-Kennedy, and it was like a black umbrella, and it was going to be filmed, and he didn’t like his dad, which was Joseph Kennedy, and that he, the reason why is cuz he was a supporter of like a, like of Neville Chamberlain, which was the British prime minister, and it was a Nazi kind of like, it was like an old, you know, like I’m going to rebel, and so I’m going to have a black umbrella. I don’t want to liken it to Colin Kaepernick, but a very like, that’s his way of, that’s his way of of protesting.

Yes. So this guy says he was the umbrella man, and that’s why he had an umbrella. Yeah, cuz that, cuz that’s the way to show them. Yeah, yeah, look at my umbrella, [bleep] you, Kennedy’s arms dealers. So he testified, and he, and wh said, I think if the guis Book of World Records had a category for people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing, I would be number one. Okay, first of all, no, because he wanted to be there. I, yeah, somebody was going to kill the president, he’s like, he’s like, watch, protest, I’m going to go the most place ever, Book Depository, I’m going to go there.

No, it would be kind of, I, I don’t want to liken it to Colin Kaepernick, but it would be kind of like Colin Kaepernick kneeling black, but instead of kneeling, the president was shot, at Niner Stadium. My God. And he was like, I didn’t have anything to do with this, it wasn’t me, nothing to do with this. Yeah, anyways, that’s probably what, anyways. So this guy, this guy Whit, he died about eight years ago, so, and all of his secret stuff. So that’s the umbrella man, I don’t buy that one. I, I mean, well, I, I kind of buy the last part of it, I think he, you know, he definitely, there was a reason, and he maybe wasn’t normal, I feel like that makes more sense.

Sense, he was protes, if you have a direct line of sight to take a shot, like you don’t need someone to flail an umbrella to be, oh it’s, it’s go time, it’s, I have the shot, take the shot, right? But did you do any research, like, as far as factchecking that, that’s really a thing, or I don’t know, like, like the whole Pro, like that’s how you protest, you know, Ian, I mean, kind of like you have a black independent, fact cheers for proof, no. There’s a lot of people who would do a black, like the Black Fist, right, at the, at the, the Olympics, Olympics, um, I forget his name, um, Jesse, Jesse Owens, yeah, Jesse Owens did the Black Fist.

Well, it wasn’t the Black Fist, he was just black, and it was his fist, no, he wore a black glove. Yeah, oh he did, you’re right, so it was a black, it was a black item, so like you see like the posters, whether it’s like, you know, it’s, it’s a black face, all right. So that’s, that’s the umbrella man, I don’t know, I, it’s pretty, pretty dumb, I think it’s a little farfetched. Yeah, it’s pretty dumb, but if you, it’s kind of cool to look at some of the, the images. So, if you, for sure, and I can see like at the time you look at, you’re like, this is sketchy, this is what’s happening here.

Yeah, the guy is like randomly with a black umbrella sitting on the curb. You know, yeah, the chaos, it’s like 79°, and it’s like sunshine, you’re like, you know, some people are in chaos, like he’s just, he’s probably like, what the [bleep] just happen, let me, he’s in shock. Yeah, like everybody’s running around, I’m just going to like chill. Know, yeah, that’s so, that’s that one’s dumb. We’re all in, yeah, we’re all agreed, that one’s dumb. Uh, so the next one is, and I call it the Oliver Stone conspiracy. Yeah, um, you know, a majority of the American public, or even worldwide, have, has seen JFK, right, movie, Kevin cner.

Yeah, the movie, dud. That movie, by the way, has every famous human who’s ever lived. Yeah, it’s got like 30 famous actors and it’s crazy. You want, tell them who Oliver Stone is, in case they’re listening, they don’t know. Yeah, Oliver Stone is, is probably, in in history of cinema, is, is one of the most famous directors of all time actually, and then he made the JFK movie. So he did. Yeah, so in uh the 90s he did a movie called JFK, it’s about 3 hours, it started Kevin cner, and Kevin cner played the New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, and Jim Garrison brought forth, I guess you would call it, a conspiracy to assassinate the president.

Yes. And and so it’s a, it’s a good movie, as far as, as far as the JFK and like, like looking into it, but I find, and you guys, you guys both saw it, so I find it to be interesting because what he does is he, he, he goes and and finds all the things that are wrong with the situation. Yes. Yeah, but at the end of the movie, do you actually go, I know who did it? No, no, no, no, 100%, you’re like, not at all. And I think that was the point, I think that was the point, was just to get people to think about it.

Yeah, yeah, I think that was his whole thing of doing, and it’s like, okay, think, think, like here’s what, here’s what’s wrong, like you know, think about, is it, is this narrative really what happened, right, right? Yeah, so in short, essentially, the Jim Garrison was a District Attorney for New Orleans, and um, he, he wrote a book in 1988 called On the Trail of the Assassins, and he prosecuted, he was the only one who prosecuted somebody for the assassination of JFK, nobody else, brought, because oswal got killed. Yeah, and nobody actually went to court saying, this is, like I’m charging you with the murder, right?

So he did that, uh, and he prosecuted a person by the name of Clay Shaw, right, played by Tommy Lee Jones. Tommy Lee Jones, that’s right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so it was a fully complicated, like conspiracy of, you know, CIA and like. Yeah, so pretty much, there’s Clay Shaw, was, like, just, he’s like a rich New Orleans guy, and he was involved with these, like these Pro, these Pro communist groups, and he had also had ties, the CIA, and that he was kind of behind the, behind the scenes, orchestrating and providing funds to set up this situation. Yeah, that’s right. And I mean, we’re not going to go over the entire movie, no, you know, you can just watch it.

And it basically, it had somebody, and he was a pi, and his name was Guy banister, uh, and he was in New Orleans, and he had an employee named David Ferry, and he, they all, they say that he was involved with the JFK assassination and that he planned it. Uh, they were, they were, they were heavy Drinkers, and heavy, uh, the movie portrays them, it’s like they’re having like weird sex parties, and [bleep], like there was a lot going on, and like smoking, and crack, and like cocaine, man, man, prostitutes. Yeah, so a lot of different things. And then, on top of it, Ferry was in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol, and he was in that Air Patrol with Oswald.

I see. And there’s a photo of faery and Oswald together in their teenage years, together, so that’s a connection. And and in one of the 8,000 times that the oswal moved between New Orleans and Texas, 17, that’s right. But I find that kind of like, just because you’re in a photo, I mean, it is suspicious, but at the same time it’s kind of like it doesn’t implicate you, like you’re just in a photo of a team. Yeah, you’re in a photo of a team, like we’re co-workers, I’m sorry, like, exactly, so I didn’t do it. Yeah, another Guinness record of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[bleep], knew, I should join the Air Patrol. Now what I like about that movie is it does put together different people that maybe we didn’t fully go into detail, you know, in the previous episodes, but like how they were all like building this, um, you know, plot of like working together and how to set it all up, and it kind of made it seem like they set up, you know, Lee Harvey, a, for to take the, to take the fall. It really does, it does kind of give you that Vibe, like he was like the py. Yeah, and a lot of it comes from where banister said something to this guy named Martin, and Martin worked for banister, and they were in a bar, and and they got into a fight, and it was like a heated argument, and they’re like pushing each other, and you want to go bro, [bleep] do this, and he said, he said, what are you going to do, kill me like you did Kennedy?

And then banister drew his 357 Magnum and whipped him. Oh man, pistol whip, Good Fellas, damn. So that’s like the formation of the conspiracy of like, oh, must have had something to do with it, and like, oh, you know what I mean, like, oh yeah, you know I mean, that’s a, that’s a pretty big implication there, especially in a heated fight, like you say some [bleep] that you’re not supposed to say happens all the time, you know, where someone’s like, you know, getting a fight with your wife, and she’s like, okay, says some [bleep] you told her in confidence 10 years ago, so remember that, remember that, like you said, s years, 32 days ago, seconds, it was, it was 222 and 35 seconds.

D, the other part of this is that Oswald shared 544 Camp Street with banister, they were literally in the same building, but the, the addresses were different, because it, were, they were on like it was like the corner of two streets. Yeah, so I don’t know, I don’t know, on that point I mean I think coincidence, or it’s just, I mean, one can say there is no such thing as coincidence, like when it happens multiple times, like obviously coinciden do happen, and like you know, there is a thing, but when there’s like multiple coincidences with in one situation, right, it does lead you to believe that, like, okay, it becomes impossible, it becomes impossible for, like it becomes Clues into the, you know, it’s like it just, you don’t just like happen, oh, oh, just randomly have the same building, and and this home, homie got mad at me and said I killed JFK, and then he’s in this [bleep] proastro [bleep], like it’s just, it’s just too, it’s too many like, yeah, random things to be random.

But you know what I don’t like is that they kind of give too much credit to banisher, he’s like, like he’s like Sherlock hind, he’s literally like a drunk Pi who’s retired, a dick. Yeah, he’s like a Bruce Willis character from many movies, good one. Yeah, and I’m just like, all right, so he shared a building with him, all right, what does that mean, it’s not like, he, you know what I mean, that’s true, I just don’t like it. Then there were like other guys that were also connected to both of them. So in the late 70s, the house select committee on assassinations investigated the relationship between Oswald to B Minister’s office, the committee was unable to interview guy banister because he died in ’64, but the committee did interview his brother Russ, or Ross, Ross told the committee that his brother had mentioned seeing Oswald hand out the the fers on occasion, but Ross theorized that Oswald had used that address on his literature to embarrass guy bisher, and just, he didn’t have an address, he literally just wrote a [bleep] address on something because he didn’t have an address, remember he wrote to the, the, the, the main office in New York, remember that?

Well, they said that they didn’t want him to open one, but he open one anyways, but then he had an address, well, he was making what, a do25, he doesn’t have money to, to downtown office, I don’t know, maybe he, well, back in the day, and remember, he got that $400 [bleep] stien from the government to come back to the US, he had little, little stash, little stashed away, he was bankrolled by, what, what’s his name, Shaw, guy? Yeah, yeah, Clay Shaw. Yeah, Klay Shaw was like, sound payment. So in 66, Garrison’s investigation led him to conclude that a group of right-wing extremists which included Ferry, guy banisher, were involved with certain parts of the CIA in a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

Garrison would later claim that the motive for the assassination was anger over Kennedy’s attempt to obtain a peace settlement in Cuba and Vietnam. Garrison also came to believe that New Orleans businessman Klay Shaw was part of the conspiracy, and that Clay Shaw was his pseudoname for clay Bertrand. Garrison believed that Shaw, banister, ferry, conspired to set up Oswald as a py to kill JFK. I mean, see, to me that makes possibly the most sense, because, as you probably concluded, listeners, after listening to the last episode, like Lee Harvey Oswald is like, he’s like the one kid at the party who like will do anything, just like be cool, to get, like literally, they’re like, he like, yeah, you kick me the nuts for sure, and you’re like, you know, like he’s so desperate to be relevant, because he’s been, not un, irrelevant, at everything he’s ever done in his entire life, he’s been like super subpar, and Like [bleep], yeah, that, like he would be like, [bleep] yeah, I’m going to be the man, and they’re like, yeah man, you’re the man, and they’re like, this guy’s a [bleep] [bleep], like we’re going to totally got this guy, this guy got.

So on March 1st, 1967, Garrison arrested and charged Shaw with conspiring to assassinate Kennedy. On January 29th in ’69, Shaw was to trial on these charges, and the jury came to the conclusion and found him not guilty. I mean, it’s really, there is, it’s all the, all the evidence is like, is like circumstantial, there, not like real, there’s nothing, right, like documents, like you know, I know there’s nothing. Yeah, but that’s what, you know, makes it cool part of being a conspiracy. I know, yeah, because like, but he was grasping at straws from a legal standpoint. He was grasping at straws from legal standpoint, but from like a human standpoint, you’re like, I know you did this [bleep], and but it’s like I can’t prove it, but I know you did it.

At least you did something. Yeah, at least you did. I kind of, I kind of, kind of go, like, because I’ve seen all of, um, all of Stone, even came out with a new documentary later on. Oh, and uh, it’s like further evidence since new documents were released, and it’s a documentary, it’s not a Kevin Coster, no, it’s a docu. Yeah, and um, you know, he, he spends a lot of time breaking down the holes that exist in all of it, you know what I mean, so there’s quite a few, and that’s, that’s why I think the conspiracy has persisted for so long, cu like there’s so many like there’s nothing conr.

Yeah, it’s like, yeah, okay, it’s just even down to the fact that he used the shittiest gun on Earth. I know, worst possible, like come on, it never ends. That’s hilarious. Okay, so going forward, right now we went over Oliver Stone’s scenario, and and in the 70s, so now, from a history standpoint, RFK, Robert Kennedy, was killed in, I think, 69 or 68, is uh, and Robert Kennedy was the Attorney General, yeah, un States, brother, yeah, that’s a whole other one that I really, we’re going to do a great podcast on that, so stay tuned for that. Then Martin Luther K Jr was killed, he was also assassinated.

So the, the government put together something called the United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations, this was to dive in further, like how are these keep going on, yeah, more so. Yeah, everybody’s getting killed, [bleep], yeah, everybody’s getting killed. This was put together in 76, it completed its investigation in JFK in 1978, and it, it issued the final, their report, the following year, year, and it concluded that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. Wow, see, [bleep], our [bleep] is like proven by the state, it’s crazy. I mean, they did, but they don’t say, they don’t say like what the [bleep] happened.

Well, cu they’re probably not allowed to speculate. Further, really weird part, their speculation, yeah. Here’s a really weird part, and I, this is where I would love some emails from people, what’s the email? Uh, infothe conspiracy podcast.com, all right, so, or Spotify, you can leave a com. So the confusing part to me is that they say at the beginning, or they say in their, I guess, results, or their conclusion of investigation, that it was probably a result of conspiracy, right? Mhm, but then later on they say, literally, here are the conclusions from the, the committee, you ready? Yeah, they say, Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy, didn’t hit him, just fired three shots, the second and third shots fired struck the president, the third shot killed the president, that’s it.

Then, I mean, they, it’s just, so the, I guess what they’re saying, so later on they say, they, they do say, scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high, high probability that two gunmen fired at the president. Oh yeah, yeah, see, that’s okay, that’s what, that’s what I’m saying, like I remember that, they set up, I remember I saw like a video on it, they, they set up on the street, and like pretty much they shut the whole place down, and they set up all these like acoustic things, whatever, to see, like they’re trying to recreate it, and they’re like, no, it’s not, it’s not probable that it was all shot from.

Okay, so maybe what they, they determin is they don’t know who did it, that’s pretty much what they’re saying. Saying, agree to disagree. Yeah, they’re saying, they’re saying that Oswell did it, but with somebody else. Yeah, but there was like, yeah, like homie, like, yeah, who helped. Then they say, uh, other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the president, scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations. So they’re saying some of it is [bleep], but some of it they can’t prove it’s wrong. Yeah, so it’s like it’s possible that it’s that, that happen. So the committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

I see, so it wasn’t, it wasn’t like a wand man show. Yeah, the committee was unable to identify the other godman, or to what extent of the conspiracy. So they’re like, it was a conspiracy, we just don’t know anything else. But then they keep going, right? So just to, to NY some of the things, it says, the committee believes that, on the basis of evidence available, that the Soviet government was not involved. I would personally agree with that, okay, just me. So then the next one, the, so the committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Cuban government was not involved.

All right, okay. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available, that anti-Castro Cuban groups were not involved in the assassination, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that ind idual members of those, of groups, were involved. Well, anti Castro, or anro, because they’re like Castro, because JFK was trying to make peace with Castro, to like [bleep] chill things out, and so they’re like, [bleep] Castro, you, you’re a sympathizer, you, you got to die too. Yeah, the committee also believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, seriously, like copy, copy paste, on [bleep], the national syndicate of, of organized crime as a group was not involved.

How the [bleep] would they know though, like somebody s, that’s what it was saying, like on the evidence available, which is none, the Secret Service, the Secret Service, the FBI, the CIAA, were not involved, the ass, of course, of course, they’re like, they’re like definitive proof that they are not involved, I throw them under the bus. The committee further concluded that it was probable that four shots were fired, the fource shot came from a Second Assassin located on the grassy null. Exactly, oh, so they’re like saying, but missed, oh, they weren’t a sharpshooter, we’re never going to let that joke. The hsca, which the House of sub Commmittee of Assassinations, yeah, concluded the existence and location of this alleged fourth shot based on the later discredited Dallas Police Department recording analysis.

So the hsca agreed that with a single bullet theory, so that was the magic bullet, where, yeah, where it went through like seven parts of his body. Yeah, so they, they agreed with the single bullet theory, but concluded that it occurred at a, at a time point during the assassination that differed from any several points the Warren Commission theorized it happened. So here is a very important part, I see, to my, to to my, my belief of this, yeah, which is, yeah, so remember when we were talking about, and we were arguing how many, how many shots could you get off in six seconds, in six seconds, yeah, yeah, that’s saying it wasn’t 6 seconds, what, so cu, because basically it’s saying, they’re saying the timeline’s wrong, right, right, before that they said they think it was four shots, they think it was four shots over a longer period of time rather than 6 seconds where you had to go, no, but my thing is like, if there’s, they’re still theorizing that that oswal shot three of those shots, but his, his, his window of opportunity to hit him in the back, like at at the back, had to be so slim, that car, okay, let’s see, that car is traveling, is so much different than 15 seconds.

I still don’t think, I still don’t, I mean, I just don’t think it’s 15 seconds, I just don’t think the, the window of opportunity from that vantage point, especially after the first shot, you think like homie would like hit the gas, yeah, like the driver is going to be like, oh, must keep going 2 mes an hour, you think he would, maybe I should get the [bleep] out of here. Yeah, so that’s why I’m saying, I understand maybe 6 seconds isn’t the correct time frame, I still don’t believe it would be greatly above that. Yeah, at all, so what, you think like seconds or something?

Maybe. Yeah, but that’s what, when somebody comes to me and they say, oh, how could you the man licker in six seconds, I’m like, you can’t, it’s impossible. Yeah, but doesn’t, why is it 6 seconds, I know, I don’t know who came up with a 6 seconds, you know what I mean, it’s usually like audio, oh, that’s a pop pop pop on theer film, or like when were the shots, but then you have delayed, you, you know, you have a rifle shot, and maybe the sound, you know what I mean, like it’s all different, there’s a lot of variables, but I just know that there are protocols in place, I don’t know them because I’m not, I’m not in the Secret Service, but like there are protocols in place for those type of situations, you know, shots fired, like your, you, your immediate next act is, okay, I need to escape, like get out, like you know, it’s, well they did, you know, if you remember, like they Secret Service was right behind them, then they run up to the car, and then they jump on, and they’re trying to like kind of protect him, at that point.

Then they take off, I don’t know how many seconds that was. True, but yeah, to your point, like it, it should have happened faster, but it didn’t. I mean, first of all, nobody’s expecting that, you should be prepared for anything, but, um, I don’t know, I, I definitely think there was another shooter. I fully agree, I fully agree, there’s a second shooter, yeah, who, who was an actual sharp shooter. Don’t jump the gun. Yeah, we’re not jumping, I’m not jumping anything. Jump, well, you said four shot, I’m just adding a, I’m just sprinking a little more to the conspiracy. This conspiracy sprinkle. So, so they, they, they went further, and they said the Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, and the Warren Commission were all criticized for not revealing to the Warren Commission information that was available in ’64.

Ooh, you [bleep] dicks. Oh, then it was determined that the Secret Service was deemed deficient in their protection of the President of the United States. No [bleep]. Well, remember last episode we talked about how the FBI had like homie like in the lobby, and they’re like, yeah, that never happened, and they’re like, but we have the records, like [bleep]. So and then they, they, they talk further about like how you know, uh, the Secret Service should have come forward more to the Warren Commission, provided more information, more, I, I guess the word is responsibility, of like, hey, they just lost. Yeah, we didn’t do the right thing, person that they have to like take must.

Yeah, so anyway, so the hsca found the FBI and CIA were both deficient in performing their duties. Oh, 100%, yeah, that’s from the committee. Yeah, the hs hsca, yeah, that’s from the committee. So it’s interesting to see like an actual entity be like, something’s a little off, and it’s so funny, cuz like this, this is a point like I do feel like whenever someone hears the word conspiracy, it’s instantly like proclaimed to be some farfetched thing, but like the actual definition of the conspiracy is like more than one person, like deciding to do a thing in secret, that’s all, a conspiracy, it’s, it’s like more than one human, you know what’s crazy, is plotting to do thing.

We’ve had multiple messages of, that’s not a conspiracy, or whatever, or people talking to us and saying, that’s not a conspiracy, and so I think we should actually define, I will pull up the M, what a conspiracy is, because it gets a bad rap. It does get a bad rap. Here, here’s the, I’m going to give you guys the Miriam Webster definition, so the definition of conspiracy is a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful, that is the definition of conspiracy or S similar definition, the action of plotting or aspiring so to do something unlawful group, no, a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful, that is definition of a conspiracy, it’s not like crazy far-fetched idea by by right-wing extremist, it’s not, it’s a secret plan by a group, that’s interesting, to do something unlawful or harmful.

Yeah, yeah, so it means by a group means more than one human, so that’s been more than one, more than two, so, le, group is like three or more? No, no, but I think a group, a, you can have a group of two people. Yeah, as long as, not a singular human who’s deciding to make an act on their own. Okay, that’s not a conspiracy. No, it’s not a conspiracy, because it’s just, it’s just like, I’m pissed. Yeah, yeah, I’m going to do something bad, I want to kill him, I know, kill him. Okay, so that’s the house committee. Yeah, yeah, so the next one, the next major conspiracy that exists in the JFK assassination is that the, the subsequent president, Lyon B Johnson, uh, conspired to take him out and become the President of the United States.

I mean, that’s the, that’s that’s the conspir, the conspiracy of of humankind, right? Power, baby. So in 2003 there was a poll to Americans, that 20% suspected Lyndon Johnson of like, 20% of Americans, I don’t trust that guy. That’s a lot. Yeah, and they say basically he plotted the assassination because he disliked the Kennedies as a whole. How did he get to be the VP then, he like, smiling and L, and he feared that he would be dropped from the Democratic ticket for the reelection. Ooh, so he was like, I’m on the, so it’s uh, 64 was his re-election, but he was killed in3, so he was going to be, he was going to be on the outs and he loses everything.

So but here’s just some interesting info on this conspiracy, is that JFK was seriously considering dropping him from the ticket in favor of Terry Sanford, which was the North Carolina governor, and so that’s that’s the main motive behind it. Kennedy’s personal secretary, which is, her name was Evelyn Lincoln, she wrote a book, and it was the book was called Kennedy and Johnson, and that President Kennedy told her that Lyndon B Johnson would be replaced as VP of the United States, and that that conversation took place 3 days before the assassination. Oo, so maybe he had like the inside scoop, and they were like he was like, oh [bleep].

So in the diary, or the book, or whatever you want to say, Miss Kennedy sat in a rocker in in the office, or Mr Kennedy sat in the rocker in my office, his head resting on its back, and he placed his left leg across his knee, so he crossed his legs, he rocked slightly as he talked. Man, this is super descriptive. I know, in a slow pensive voice he said to me, you know, if I am reelected in 64, I’m, I am going to spend more and more time toward making government service an honorable career. I would like to tailor the executive and legislative branches of government so that they can keep up with the tremendous strides and and progress being made in the other fields.

I am going to advocate changing some of the outmoded rules and regulations in the existing Congress, such as the senority rule, to do this I will need a running mate in 64 who believes what I do. See, this is back, like this is back when like the Democratic party was actually dope. Yeah, I, this is like, I dig the old, this, this is back when like the, the Democrats were like the [bleep], I agree, I agree. Now, now I’m like, uh, but like back then, dude, you could, you could, those guys were your back, like JFK give, gave a [bleep] in the 60s, I would be a Democrat 100%, me too, dude, I’m not even li, 100% I would, maybe the 50s even, 100% I would, cuz they like, they were like legit.

So Mrs Lincoln, her name was Evelyn Lincoln, Mrs Lincoln went on to write, she said, I was fascinated by this conversation so much, fascinated I wrote it down verbatim in my diary. Yeah, especially because he’s like, I’m your secretary, why are you telling me this? Now, now, I ask, who is your choice as a running mate? He looked straight ahead, and without hesitating, he replied, at this time I am thinking about Governor Terry Sanford of North Carolina, but it will not be Lyndon. Ooh, and Lyon’s got like a, he’s got like a glass against the wall like that. [bleep], so they, in Li, that’s the, she’s the secretary of, that’s motive too, yeah, right, I mean, and it’s a big motive because you lose, hell, power, we have any kind of evidence, any, this is the evidence is all we got, I, you, that’s her trying to get a paycheck, yeah, I know, at all.

No, this is her trying to get a paycheck. Now it’s trying to get a paycheck, not bu at all. All right, so just the next person, so there’s this person named Meline Brown, yeah, uh, she said she was Johnson’s, what, the like call girl? Yeah, like a little mistress. No, she didn’t, Johnson didn’t pay, oh, of course not, yeah, no, it was freebies, his secretary PID, yeah, freebies. So she says, her name is Meline Brown, she says he was doing a little like pillow talk with her, well, she implicated, she basically implicated him in the conspiracy to kill Kennedy. In 97, Brown said that Johnson, along with somebody named HL hunt, had begun planning Kennedy’s demise in the early 1960.

Brown claimed that by its fruition in 63 the conspiracy involved dozens of people, including FBI, Mafia, politicians, journalists, you know, all these things she, there was a documentary called The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Meline Brown, any, like it gets real complicated with the oil men, you know, that even J G Hoover came together and then he gave the blessing, and he said, okay, let’s, yeah, that one’s really [bleep] out out there to be honest. But Brown reiterated her allegations in 2006 in another documentary. Well, see, the thing about that is like, I, I think the the real, the true makings of like the best possible conspiracy, especially if it’s true, is to make it seem so outlandish that it won’t be believed, kind of like hiding in the truth, exactly, hide in plain sight, because it’s like, how could I, you know, how could the government actually betray, we love you, you know, it’s like, it’s so like, they couldn’t do that to us, we’re in charge, we’re, are we, you know, that’s why, that’s why I always, I’m always on the side of like, if if the government’s involved, always like, well, you know, happen if the government’s involved, like, you know, they made that movie with with Tom Cruz where he’s like running coke for the [bleep] CIA, and that’s like a, that’s a true story, what movie, not, it’s called, uh, what the [bleep] is it called, um, oh, Made in America, or made something like that, I, I think, I think something American made, no, but I’m saying, but that’s a true story, yeah, he was actually doing that, so it’s like, it’s so it’s so weird, that we’re, oh, but I’m like, he was literally running coke for the CIA, like, and that’s proven, they’ve all admitted that that was true.

What the [bleep], so there’s a lot of people, literally, I have three pages. Of different people who said that Johnson was conspiring to do it. There’s, in ’84, a convicted guy named Billy sa Estus made a statement that Johnson had inside knowledge on the death of Kennedy. Um, Howard hunt, who is part of Watergate, if you ever really research Watergate, he was a big figure in Watergate, he said that, you know, he had firsthand knowledge that Johnson knew about it and allowed it to happen. You know, there’s a lot, there’s a lot, I don’t want to say that they’re reliable sources, but there are, but if enough, if enough people say something, like you have to give it merit.

Yeah, like saying, there could only be so many coincidence like add up. There’s another guy, uh, political consultant, but he was also a convicted felon named Roger Stone, he believed that Johnson orchestrated Kennedy’s assassination, he also claims that Raphael Cruz, who is the father of of Ted Cruz, you know, Ted, know, Ted Cruz, my man, so he’s the father of Ted Cruz, he was tied to Lee Harvey. Anyways, there’s just, I feel, I feel there’s obviously, there is going to be like, there probably 30, 40% of it is additional [bleep] people just like adding stuff on, like just trying to get their, you know, 15 minutes of fame, oh yeah, by the way, guess who else was involved, like just adding [bleep] in there.

Right, so anyways, that’s the Lynon Johnson one, that one, you know, it’s more believable than the umbrella man. Yeah, there’s that, for 100% we do have that. Yeah, we do have that in comparison. That’s true, but uh, I mean, we’ll talk about it at the end, but at the same time, I don’t know, it’s so hard, there’s so much, it sounds like everybody’s just trying to get, get theirs. I think Cory hit it on the nose, people are just trying to get theirs. Yeah, oh yeah, and everyone, little 15 minutes of f, they’re so selfish, and it’s, that’s why people have done far worst things to to get power, I mean, just look at the history of the, the human race, it is literally, yeah, it just shwn with just murder and [bleep] betrayal, just to to youer power, like the, killed [bleep], they killed Caesar, and he was a dub dude, granted he became a tyrant, but whatever, you know, granted, granted, granted, you know, yeah, but hey, before that he was, two, we have, we have, uh, we have two, we have two more, before that he was chill, yeah, you know, just saying, dud, he was, he all the good vibes, goodes, became a tyrant.

Good vibes only before, he was like, I run this [bleep], like f, live laugh love. [Laughter] Cesar. Okay, so uh, at a certain point in time they sealed the, a lot of the government documents about JFK, the investigation, it was a 50-year seal. Jesus, that’s a a long ass seal. No, no, think about it, this is 63, so years, oh it’s out. Yeah, a Freedom of Information Act too, like so, uh, a few years ago a lot came out, there is a person named Mr Donald Trump who extended that time period because he felt that it should be extended more years. Yeah, so Donald Trump extended it how many more years, so I think it was five, so now, bid has just, didn’t want to deal, he’s like, I’m already get all this heat, like [bleep] [bleep] like, so but some was released, and then I think it was put, and then the other parts were pushed forward a little bit, in 2017, uh, 55,000 documents were released, whoa, on the release, that’s not a small amount of documents.

Yeah, and it’s just going to take a long time to go through all those documents, so not a lot of things, but there are a couple things that are related to Jack Ruby that came to light that were a little bit like confusing, or Ruby is the guy who killed Oswald in the garage downstairs, correct, in the in the garage. Yeah, club owner, he was like a club owner. Yeah, he’s a club owner, he really, what’s crazy about Jack Ruby is he wanted to be part of everything. Yeah, he was like hanging out at the cop station, club, we’re talking about clubs and [bleep] right, he used to host like some of the biggest celebrities, politicians, Mafia, and that’s where the ties of the mafia comes in with Ruby, because of the the the company that he would keep.

Yes, yes, now I just want to say, out the gate I don’t like that tie, just because, for example, if you were a like a mob of Cincinnati, like you were the the chief of Cincinnati, yeah, just cuz you go to a strip club doesn’t mean you are affiliated with the homie, with the owner. Well, I mean, how often did I go to that strip club though. Yeah, but you’re just there for the strip club, you, I mean, you’re not, and you’re like, and Jack’s like over there, like hey, like I’m like, leave me alone bro, I’m not here for you, and then later, you know, Jack would be like, yeah, I know Sean, just like name drops.

Sean, oh, you’re talking about the drug dealer from Cincinnati, I know that [bleep], yeah, I know, Sean name dropping, he’s like, look, let’s, pict of us, I got selfies with the titty, you see how, you see how, like that’s how I believe he’s associated with the mob. I agree, agree, a titty bar owner, yes, and he’s just wants to be in the. No, but it’s not like Tony Soprano titty bar, it’s just a regular, it’s a regular ti bar, that’s right. So, uh, but what was interesting in these documents is that, and if for those who are going to criticize us, so document 3214 9267.

Jesus Christ, [bleep] real, Jesus. So document 321 49267, okay, why is there so many numbers, there’s a lot of [bleep] do, yeah, so it says, quote, recently a group manager in Dallas Intelligence Division received information from a confidential informant that might be helpful in the investigation of the Kennedy assassination, the informant stated on the morning of the assassin, Ruby contacted him and asked if he would like to watch the fireworks. Oh, he was with Jack Ruby and standing at the corner of the Postal Annex Building that was facing the Texas Schoolbook Depository, and that was at the time of the shooting, that’s little. Wow, I, but I personally hate confidential informance, I know, [bleep] ha.

So later on though it was discovered that the informant is named Bob Vander slice. What the [bleep] name, theat rat, the, the rat, not rat, the rat, uhhuh, [bleep] snitch. So the so that’s Bob vanderli, he relayed this information to the FBI handlers in ’77, but in the document it doesn’t state why it took him 14 years to tell them, maybe because his last name is [bleep] Vander slice’s, because for 14 years he’s like I ain, and then later on he de, he got a deal, he got, he got arr, he got like arrested, like a like blow on a stop sign, like I got, get me off, I got something for you, I got the right [bleep], only if you let me go, I’m going tell you what happened 15 years ago, confidential for, but the file goes on to say that as soon as this shooting occurred, Ruby turned, headed for the Dallas Morning News building, and he didn’t say a single word to the guy, Vander slice, that’s little weird.

So if the, in, been funny if he’s like, enjoy the fireworks, and he just like leaves. Right before, I’m out of here, so if if the informant is to be believed, so if we believe this story by vanderli Bob Vander, Ruby was among the crowd who saw JFK get shot, and he seemed to have prior knowledge of what was about to happen with his fireworks comment. Yeah, so conspiracy theorist tied Ruby to the assassination via organized crime, they believe the mafia are the ones behind the wider one mentioned by the House Selective Committee, but see, I think that like first, there two things on that, just on this particular one, the fireworks thing is is a loose thing, cuz like the fireworks would be like, hey, the president’s coming, do you want to see the fireworks, like the president’s going to be here, it’s going to be great, and maybe there a fireworks presentation afterwards, you know, maybe like, but they canceled it because he got [bleep] killed, so there’s no more fireworks.

Yeah, but the other thing is the mob, they don’t want to, I, I don’t think they’d want to be involved to something that high profile. Yeah, the M, the mob, the mob forever has always been in the shadows, they don’t want to be involved with this high-profile [bleep], even when, uh, man, God, when was this, was in New York, and they had one of like one of the mob bosses, Columbo, I think, was getting super [bleep] political about [bleep], and like was trying to get Italian rights, and they were [bleep], stop it, what are you doing, like stop doing this, and then they end up killing him, but you know, that’s what I’m saying, I don’t think the mob wants to be involved with something the the highest possible profile you can get, killing your president.

I mean, we’re kind of at the end of Ruby, which is a lot of people say, oh, maybe he had, there was mob debt, and you know, but I don’t know why that would have to do with Ruby having mob debt, and you know what I mean, for us, but Ruby died in jail, uh, from an embolism in ’67. What was he in jail, was, yeah, killing Lee hary Oswald. Oh yeah, that’s right, yeah, totally forgot about that one, whoops. It is here, so makes sense if you could have saw Eric’s face. Yeah, killingly, like what do you, literally, I thought we did this, we’ve done this for 5 hours.

Okay, he never did like, never sp, was he said, he actually said that he locked out on being able to enter the garage, he was like, there was no security, there was no him, like, I, I didn’t know I was going to kill him at that moment, it, it was just an. Opportunity, your, your guy, right, open, you’re right, I’m gna kill you. Yeah, so he’d never, you know, so anyways, and then he died in ’67, and yeah, you never know, you know what I mean, so they have a whole wall in like a bunch of different conspiracy theories, and you were just talking about the Mafia, the mob, and so it reminded me of this, and there was one theory about, um, the Cuban government, many people suspect Ed that Fidel Castro or his government were behind the Kennedy assassination.

Oswald was pro Castro and attempted to visit Cuba in September 1963, right, disclosures during the mid1 1970s that the CIA was involved in two plots to kill Fidel Castro, one using the mafia. Okay, so the CIA was basically using the mafia to to kill Fidel Castro, and suspicions that Kennedy might have have been killed in retaliation. Yeah, so but then it goes on to say, the House Committee, you know, found no evidence of this or whatever, like you just kind of touched on that there before, but yeah, I just thought it was interesting. So the CIA working with the mafia, I mean, that that’s that doesn’t sound weird to me, exactly, you’re just talking about that, that’s not far fet, that sounds, that sounds about right.

It’s weird, I mean, I do kind of think it’s weird that he went to Cuba and he went, you know what I mean, he went to Mexico City, right, and he, yeah, all those things are weird, and Russia or Soviet Union, whatever, so they’re all weird. Yeah, okay, so the final conspiracy that I have here is, and I, I call it the it was an accident conspiracy, uh, honestly, this might be my favorite one. Here you go, you ready? Oop, oopsy doopsy. So a majority of this story, or the script, or whatever ever, is taken from somebody named Daniel Arin, he’s a writer, and I just wanted to give him the credit, because a majority of this, this written word is is from him, uh, but here’s the theory of it was an accident, I didn’t mean to do it, bro.

So the theory is that after Lee Harvey Oswald fired multiple shots at the motorcade caring Kennedy, a secret service agent, riding in the car that was immediately behind the presidential limousine, he grabbed his Colt AR15, his rifle, to return fire, cuz he heard shots, they’re shooting, so he grabs his [bleep] AR-15, so but when his car stopped immediately, the theory says that agent George hickey, [bleep], George godamn George hickey, lost his balance, like pull the trigger four times, accidentally discharged his weapon, sending a, it says a flurry, a point 223 caliber, yeah, 223, 223 caliber, 223 is a normal, normal a caliber that in 5.56, so heally discharged his 223 caliber round, rocketing into Kennedy’s head.

God, into his head, why are the adjectives, why rock, well he’s a rider, you know, I know it’s a gun, of course it’s rocket, rockets into Kennedy’s head, and that’s the wound that killed the president, and so this guy’s like, it was el, so the idea is that the like, you know what, we’re not cooperating with you right now, so here’s the theory is that, you know, in without script, right, the theory is Oswald shot, Oswald sucked, he missed, we already have evidence he missed, we have evidence that he tried to kill somebody else and from a very easy range, so he went and he shot, and then agent hickey [bleep] freaked out, do trigger happ 15, and it misfired, and that was the end, head shot, dude, you know that actually is probably like the most plausible, all crazy, it’s probably, it’s a crazy theory, it’s the most realistic theory that I can ever imag.

Okay, so I’m just going to give you a couple, a couple minutes of like maybe like backup evidence on this. Okay, okay, so 20 years ago there’s somebody named menager, and he wrote a book called mortal air, the shot that killed JFK, it was a book that that premise on the work of, uh, somebody named Howard Donahue, he was a firearms expert who in ’67 began probing the ballistic and forensic evidence, and he concluded that hickey was the elusive second gunman. Oh, cuz he was behind him, and it was just called, he was behind, yeah, and it was just friendly fire. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, so over nearly a quarter of a century, Donahue reportedly poured over evidence, tons of evidence, and it included the locations, the diameter of the entrance of the exit wounds, in, he’s getting like scientific on that [bleep], the trajectory of the and the explosive impact of of the fatal bullet, uh, the testimonies from witnesses who smelled gunm smoke near the modic cade, right, and this is the grassy null, smelling, but it’s just, you know, in the area, like the area on all fronts, manager, the guy, whot, the evidence pointed squarely at hickey as an accidental job, that’s crazy, but no eyewitnesses have gone record claiming to seen hickey firing a shot, because no secret service, no secret service had said any of this, they ain’t going to snitch, they’re never going to S, protect your own, bro.

Yeah, but let me, let me, I have a question, so was this guy, he, he was in the car behind the Kennedy car, right? Okay, was he one of the ones outside riding on the side, or was he inside the car, and if he was inside the car, is there any kind of like shell casing or like, yeah, or maybe like it, it penetrated the the windshield, right, oh, oo, oh, maybe, no, like drop top, like convertible, maybe it was like sitting up, the the the one in the back was as well, I don’t know, no, I think the one in the back was not a backdrop, the the car, right, the car right behind him was a regular car, and it had the the, what do you call it, like the side steps, I know, yeah, the guys on the side, yeah, yeah, that’s a great question, hickey was seated in the car behind.

Okay, so he was not on the, uh, you know, the side, so he shot through the windshield, yeah, exactly, of the car behind, yeah, no, he stood up, oh, so it’s convertible, yeah, okay, it was convertible, stood up, and then po. Okay, yeah, so he stood up, pointed exactly in the right direction, maybe he was like on a hip, like a hip fire, yeah, so but again, so there’s seven other people in that car, none of them testified, they’re probably all, they probably all hung themselves in in a prison with the cameras off, but none of, none of them said, none of them said shots were fired out car, none of them said bullets were whizzing, none of them said anything, it’s like a brotherhood, you can’t, you, you can’t, you can’t r on your end.

But nonetheless, manager book, he, he put out the book in ’92, um, and you know, there you go, I’m pretty sure OJ killed, yeah, if if there was reports of the gunpowder smell, like you definitely wouldn’t catch a catch a whiff from the sixth floor of the Book Depository, catch a whiff all the way down to the grassy n, that gun. So now just a last thing on Hickey, right, yeah, is in the Warren Commission it said the following, okay, in the Warren Commission it said, special agent George hickey in the rear seat of the presidential follow-up car picked up and cocked an automatic rifle as he heard the final shot, at this, this point the cars were speeding through the underpass and had left the scene of the shooting, but hickey kept the automatic weapon ready as the car raced to the hospital.

So the Warren Commission is just saying that he was cocked and ready, he stood up, cocked, ready, but he didn’t discharge, didn’t discharge, that’s the end of, I mean, that’s the end of the hickey conspiracy, you know what I mean. I mean, the hickey one is like, isn’t it great, I’ never heard that one before, I’ve never heard it either, but I’m like, you know, I can see that happening, cu like you’re so like, like your [bleep] adrenaline’s cranked, like your fingers on your fingers on the trigger, you accidentally pull it, like you don’t, and just a random, it just [bleep] bing. So here we are, this is, this is the culmination of the moment, both of us visiting, I mean, you know, we visited, um, Book Depository, B depository, and on the X, all all the things, and and we went through, we went through Lee Harvey Oswald, the Warren Commission, the conspiracies, I mean, who’s going to go first, summary of what happened to JFK and the people involved, and you know, the, yeah, understanding the the the various individuals who, you know, because obviously it gives you, when you’re making it, the conclusion on something, you should probably know what you’re making inclusion on, yeah, not just like, yeah, I think this, or I think that, exactly, so like who wants to go, I’ll go, I’ll go, cuz I’ve got, but I need a finite, don’t need a vager, like you know what I mean, I’m going give, I’m going to give you finite, yeah, I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was paty, I believe Lee Harvey Oswald did fire shots at JFK, okay, but I believe that le was not, he was just a shitty shot, and he really wanted to be somebody, and this was his, this was his way to be somebody, and I believe, I believe that the government was intimately involved in orchestrating this, I don’t know who killed, I don’t know the exact person who killed JFK, but I do believe that they used Lee hary Oswald because he was a very easy tool to be manipulated and used, and they were, look, they’re going to have it, they’re going to hey, you shoot him, they, but they had the contingency in play, because we’re going to make sure he dies, but you shoot him, so I believe he shot, [bleep] whiffed, just totally biffed it, like just [bleep] didn’t hit [bleep], and then then the real person shot him, but I do believe the government was involved, but where do, where who do you think pulled the trigger.

That killed him, where you think there was another shooter. Oh no, I think, I think grass for sure. Oh, you think, oh, I, I think grass, I think, I think the guy set up, propped up, easy shot, boom, may the head, not, it was not umbrella man, I believe what happened was, I think Oswald probably got off two shots, [bleep] missed, and then, and then homie was, well maybe he got, maybe he got the neck one like on accident, I think the one that killed him, the one that actually went through his head, was was from the grassy n, from a professional, if that was from an actual professional, because as we alluded to in in, yes, in the last episode, the RV Oswald had a [bleep] shot that my daughter can make, and he, he hit the, the general, he hit the window, I’m like the dude’s just sitting at his desk waiting to get killed.

It’s interesting, it’s interesting that that story, while it should, it should help his case of being an assassin, it doesn’t, because he missed, he missed easy shot from like 30, now he’s got a moving target, I know, a moving target from a high angle, what’s it, sixth floor, six floor, and he’s probably easily, I would say minimum 50 yards minimum, and this other 50 yard or so, but but we talked about it in another episode, it doesn’t, once you’re there, it doesn’t seem, doesn’t seem that hard, hard, yeah, it doesn’t, hard on a non-moving target maybe, but on a moving target, then definely a moving target, it’s, it’s very hard for me to say, because right, because we’re sitting in chairs talking in the microphone, and I’m sitting, oh, these boxes are nice and comfortable, you know what I mean, I’m in a book depository, you know, like the books, and the thing is holding the gun, yeah, he’s holding the gun, and then he has to reload the gun, bolt action, and it’s, I, I’ve shot, I’ve shot a lot of guns, and like it’s different when I’m on a tripod and it’s perfectly [bleep] still, yeah, you also have, you also have it, a, it’s a, what was it, $20 rifle, dude, you know, it’s not going to be, is it a $20 Macy’s rifle, it’s used too, 20 bucks back then, come on now, it was just like the accuracy has got to be less, shot expensive [bleep], nice rifles, dialed in scopes and everything, at at at 50 and 100 yards stationary on a tripod, and I’m still not, I’m hitting bullseye, and I’m a good shot, and if you go on our uh social media, or our website, or whatever, we’ll put a picture of the rifle too, and it’s, it’s one of those that has a shorter, the barrel itself, the barrel itself, yeah, so which makes it even less accurate, is that right, so a shorter barrel will make it, yeah, because the barrel, what’s the point of having a barrel, it’s more, it’s just ease of you, ease it’s, yeah, like fter, no, it’s not about shooting faster, it’s just about like carrying, and like transport, okay, because obviously like the longer compact a barrel, a barrel makes it, cu the rifling in a barrel, it makes the bullet spin, and the and the more the bullet spins, the the the more it won’t move or deviate from its course.

Okay, so if you have a longer barrel, it, it’s, it’s going to start, it’s going to spin [bleep] more, and it’s just going to be like, yeah, okay, all right. I me, I think that, give me, give me a conclusion here Jorge. Yeah, so conclusion would be that there was definitely like, I come to you, I’m, I’m, I come to you at a bar, yeah, and I say who killed Kennedy, yeah, so I would say that, kind of very similar to Sean, like it, you know, le leales was definitely involved, I believe that there was more people involved, like really, yes, like a definition of a conspiracy, it was like a group of people that definitely, you know, used him as the kind of like the py, the decoy, whatever, and he was definitely very emotionally politically in charged, I guess, right, so he had, oh, he was he had, he had the motiv, he’s perfect py, he’s a perfect, but you believe he shot, I believe he shot, I believe he shot the man liquer, yes, whether or not he killed him, whatever, I think he killed him at all, he shot from the window, I mean, I think it’s possible that he hit him, I think, I think he, I think he might have hit him, I don’t think he killed at, no way, hitting at that ang, especially kind of like, especially cuz look, if you think he, if you look at the video when he gets shot and his [bleep] head explodes, it’s this way, it’s not like if you’re shooting from the sixth floor, your your head doesn’t blow up, yeah, up, yeah, like that way it goes, it would go down, it would like blow his [bleep] jaw off.

That’s what I’m saying, no, I mean, you’re you’re not wrong, bro, six stories up, okay, a story is, but you’re trying to find like a perfect angle, corelates with the sixth floor and the way his head exploded, and all that [bleep], okay, I can’t speak on that, I can’t speak on that one. Story is 12 feet, so six, so that’s 6, that’s that’s 80t, like 80t in the air, and you’re going to mean to tell me that like if I shoot you from 80t, even at a distance, your head’s going to [bleep] explode, but it, no, I’m not, oh, it’s going to explode, I’m just saying, like you’re you’re you’re trying to tell me it’s going to explode on the left side, no, the trajectory of a bullet would be, the guy Connelly got there, this is a magic bullet, right, it’s not just his head exploded, but there’s another bullet that went through, know, but I mean, that was the Le Harvey dumb luck bullet, seven way, Le Harvey dumb luck bullet, ricochet, you know, what, what’s funny, when I was there in Dallas, in that, you know, in that area, there, um, there’s other buildings that had even a better vantage point, I don’t know what they’re called, but they’re like the building right next to, I think that’s one of them, and then another one, and there’s another one, kind of like, totally, uh, what call, well, Lee Harvey HW couldn’t get hired by them, cuz he’s, he’s got the worst resume on hist, may, but you don’t need to be hired if you’re just going to go in there, you know, just to do, just to do this assassination, no, but you’re going to walk in with a rifle, and they be like, yeah, go ahead, to the sixth floor, right in.

Okay, so you think if you had to summarize, I, I think that he probably took the first shot, I think there was definitely another person in the grasso area that had the kill shot, and that they, you know, that there’s probably a group of them that were just conspiring on how to, you know, grou, yes, I would say probably four of them, we just went over on the whole Oliver Stone conspiracy theory, or whatever, them, I’m not saying that like that they all shot, no, but they were involved in planning execution, they made the, they made the Secret Service like be lacking, they, they did whatever, exactly, that’s what I think.

Interesting, okay, what about you, Eric’s like, le killed him, there was no conspiracy at all. I have a lot, I have a lot, so, um, so it’s got to be concise, concise, it’s got to be clear, concise dandel, the dandel, those your words sir, no, um, I have a lot, um, there’s a lot of things that I don’t like about the whole story that I don’t like, so I don’t like that he chose to shoot on the way out, so, oh, that’s right, you could shot him in the face, yeah, so so you at the depository, and you see, you can see, I think it’s Elm Street, or whatever the street is, the one he turns left on, his yeah, so he’s coming at him, yeah, I would have taken that shot, oh yeah, directly, like you just look at him in the eyes and sh, like right, it seems like a better shot, more more time, way more time, more time, and the motion, the motion is not against you, the, yeah, I mean hopefully, I mean maybe I chalk it up to nerves, and I can’t look him in the face while I kill him, yeah, this like, if just to make, I guess the other side of the argument, then he would have been found out a lot easier, cuz the the other way around, it’s like nobody’s, they’re like it came from ahead, okay, that’s not bad, just saying, I don’t know, I don’t think he was that smart though, by the way, no [bleep] way, the longest job he had, six months, he was probably freaking out, he’s like, oh my God, I can’t do, no, no, I think so, I don’t like that, I don’t like, I don’t like the Oliver Stone story at all, I I think they’re all [bleep] losers, I think Fair’s a loser, I think Shaw’s a loser, I think they’re all, I think they’re all losers, just kind of like, yeah, look, I really want to be part of this, and they’re not smart enough to like, maybe they [bleep] moved a box, and then they think they’re part of something, you know, and I just don’t like any of it, I, you know, I think it’s a farfetched, whatever, um, I think Oswald shot, uh, I think he shot, and um, there’s a door that is open within my mind that there was some help, did I, I should just thought of something that mak sense, just a little bit of a door, but like everything, there’s nothing that says that he got help, well, that’s why we’re talking about it, otherwise it wouldn’t be a conspiracy if it was just like open and shut, you didn’t see the acoustic, all of this, there’s nothing that says, well, Eric, I’m going to, I literally just thought of something that’s probably going.

To shed some light on this, my mind, all right, because I remember, I think it was in episode one, or maybe episode two, mhm, that I asked you, when when they released the route that that he was going to take, and it was like, it was like a few days, it was a few days before, a week, maybe a week prior, and so he, Lear oswal had worked at the Book Depository for what, like two months, three months, something like that, he was not even, not even, yeah, yeah, so like month, but he had worked there before they released this route, yes, so he couldn’t plausibly have known that this would be the place that he would would shoot JFK at, and there’s, and the odds of it being a random coincidence that he happens to work at this place, that is exact vantage point to shoot the president, is zero.

Yeah, so who would know what the route would be before they release the route, maybe somebody in the government, that’s true, perhaps, that’s true, well, I will give you this, I will give you this, you know what I’m saying, like I think, I think Oswal killed John F Kennedy, I don’t, no, no, I know, but well, let me, me, yeah, let me give, no cares what you think, let me give mine, I think Oswal killed jonf Kennedy, I am uncertain if he had assistance to do it, I see, does that make sense, and unsure, I understand, if maybe take a stance, there was no, I’m saying, he killed him, like that’s my stance, I do believe all the evidence points to him, shooting, fingerprints, gun, everything, witnesses, him there, he took the shots, there is no other actual evidence that shows anything else happened, but the assistance, the the Russia scenario, the the Cubans, he had a perfect spot, like all of that is just kind of a little strange, to maybe he was supported, assisted, assisted, maybe supped in it, but I do think, and one of, but you have a doubt about, I have a doubt, yeah, I do have a doubt, but it’s like a two, one of 3%, one of the things that resonated with me was the fact that Lee Harvey Oswal himself says he was a py, I know, because he’s the type of guy that like, I did it, I’m the man, so here’s a theory, here’s here’s a theory that he would have loved the limelight, like you love it, no, here’s a theory that I’ve concocted over this whole experience, concocted, yeah, like like, he just, my theory is, my theory is that maybe he did want to kill Kennedy, and he wanted to assassinate him, right, and he reached out to all his [bleep], all dumb, like dumb, he emailed them, or no, emil, he, he wrote them letters, he wrote them letters, and no, and maybe, maybe he did get, he recruited, like he got, yes, he got help, essentially, so he basically kind of was maybe even bragging, no, and then and then what happened is they backed out, they backed out, and then something happened, and then he’s like, I’m a [bleep] py, because they, they abandoned him, oh, so he’s, I’m taking the fall alone, yes, but he was the type of guy that would want to, he literally told the Russians, he’s like, [bleep] USA baby, why would he say, I am a py, meaning that he was, because he was played, for what, so he must have done something, no, to get played, no, that’s what I’m saying, I think like I told you, I think he, I think he took a shot, but I think he [bleep] missed, and then he got killed, and he was probably like, what, he probably took a shot and was like, [bleep] I missed, we were on a team, yeah, he’s like, [bleep] I missed, like he didn’t, he was like, what, like the idea, like the idea is us three go, hey, we’re going to, we’re going to do this, mh, right, Sean’s got to be down on the grassy null, he’s going to take the shot, Jorge is going to be on the [bleep] postal anex, I’m going to be waving an umbrella, yeah, he’s going the black umbrella, and I’m going to be in the Book Depository, right, and at the end, this is actually a great analog, a great similar story is the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, uh, I’m going to, I’m going to tell you that whole story on another podcast, but there were three other conspirators who backed out, oh, they’re like, can’t do it, and they were supposed to kill the other cabinet members, oh, and [bleep] backed out, and Wi Booth like, yeah, did it, and he’s like, where the other shops, yes, what they wanted to do was take down the entire enti regime, you, yes, so Booth could have said, I’m a py, because, or not py, but like, I was abandoned, yeah, by my homies, yeah, abandoned, because, but but if you actually should look up what aaty means, I’m going to do this real quick, aaty is a person who has easily taken advantage of, especially by being cheated or blamed for something, yeah, different, so it’s like you’re taking advantage of, it’s not, got bailed on my, my dogs, well, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t really know if he knew that M Webster’s version of what it means, yeah, anyways, all I’m saying is that is that maybe, maybe, you know, he felt abandoned by other people that he was conspiring, that’s a totally, I understand that, that’s, that’s a viable thought, it’s a viable thought, I really want to hear what you guys think, I really want to know what your theories are, and actually, if if if a good, if a good theory comes up, we’ll give you, we’ll give you a plug, let’s talk about it, episode for you, don’t need to leave cuss us out, yeah, you don’t need to leave a onear review and be like you suck, like like like, let’s actually try to have a a logical conversation about it and see maybe if we can come to some sort of better conclusion.

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