Let’s talk about the cases, the Scotland Yard, uh, the suspects, the conspiracies. Yeah. Okay, okay. So there’s a guy by the name of John Douglas. Now, John Douglas, while you may not have heard of him, you have heard of him via Netflix. Okay. So John Douglas is considered the the Pioneer and the legendary profiler that created profiling serial killers, okay. So you ever see a show B on what they do? That’s right. Have you ever seen a show called Mind Hunter? I saw a little bit of it, but I, I didn’t, I wasn’t Netflix, or what? On Netflix, it’s, I watched a couple episodes, I’m like whatever.

It’s phenomenal, it’s really, if you go all the way. Yeah, terrible taste, it’s fantastic. But there’s a guy in there, and it’s, it’s, it’s the the story is about the formation of the FBI’s Behavioral Science unit, where they were going, we can profile People based on how they kill people, and then we can figure out who they are, and we reverse it back. That’s right. So this guy, John Douglas, is that guy that they base that show on, the hunter, that sort of thing, John Douglas. Okay, yeah. Anyways, he’s, he’s just the [bleep] boss, and he’s the pioneer of profiling serial killers, okay. I did see a, I did see a Netflix movie recently, I forgot what it’s called, but it’s like about that, like there’s a a chick, older girl, that, uh, was a profiler, and like the guy was at a concert, and it’s like one of the the top 10, it’s on HBO.

HBO? It’s, yeah, it’s on HBO. Movie? Oh yeah, [bleep], it is trap. Trap, there is trap. Yeah, there you go. I actually thought, I actually liked it, I thought it wasn’t bad. I was like, okay, not bad. Josh hard, like that dude has, guy, man, I hope he comes back. Big, lucky number seven is, I love that [bleep] movie. I know, 30 Days of Night, have you seen that? Oh my God, write that [bleep] down, write that [bleep] down right now. He’s in Alaska, and it’s a vampire movie. Oh [bleep], yeah, oh okay. [bleep], and it’ll, it will pucker, but I’m going to put it on our, otherwise it’ll pucker [bleep] up.

So good, okay. Yeah, anyways, it might not be exactly that name, but it’s Josh hartnet, Alaska, vampire, like, anyways. Okay, good. So John Douglas did a profile on Jack the Ripper. He was like, so he took all of the evidence, he took all the crime scenes, okay, and he, jack, we got that one, you’re not [bleep] wrong, you’re not wrong, we’re also in like England, like 99%. So I thought at the beginning of this episode that we would take what his profile is, okay, of Jack the Ripper. Oh, and then we, and then we’ll go over the suspects, we become his, his disciples, figure it out.

So John Douglas applied his expertise to the Jack the Ripper case as part of an effort to create a psychological profile of the infamous killer. Despite the case being over a 100 years old, Douglas’s insights are considered invaluable because of his deep understanding of criminal Behavior. He was the first guy who interviewed all the famous serial killers, okay, Manson, Bundy, uh, Ed, Ed, uh, whatever the big guy, who, anyways, you know, he interviewed all these guys, and he Pro, he created the common denominator, okay? What? Yeah, what, it, like, what makes them all, that’s essentially what, what he did. Yeah, okay. Here are, this, the key elements of Douglas’s profile of Jack the Ripper.

Douglas believes that Jack the Ripper was local, okay. All right, white, that Mak sense. Yeah. Male, mid to late 20s or early 30s. He suggested that the killer was likely of lower to Middle socio socioeconomic status, and may have had some form of employment that allowed him to blend in easily with workingclass population in the East End. Douglas also noted that Ripper may have had a job that provided him with basic knowledge of anatom anatomy, such as butcher, medical student, or merary assistant. Yeah, that’s what I was thinking, I was thinking more like, help me dispose this body, jack, but he did not think he was Dr caliber, okay.

That’s what I’m saying, like surgeon. I mean, when, with the whole like Jews graffiti typos, like that’s, maybe he’s not a doctor. So essentially, it would be like, could a butcher, maybe a butcher was, is used to cutting up a cow and knowing every part of a cow, doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re a doctor. No, but also then, like, use the knif work skills to then, like, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen like a like a homie cut up a Big Tuna, and those [bleep], it’s a 600, it’s those [bleep] precise as [bleep], those knives are like cut your [bleep] arm off. Yeah, and they’re not doctors.

Not at all. Yeah, they’re fishermen, [bleep] don’t know [bleep]. Also, you just do that over and over and over constantly. According to Douglas, Jack the Ripper was like a loner, socially awkward, and perhaps struggled with the ability to maintain any sort of relationship, especially with women. Okay, he believed the killer may have had a history of unstable or problematic relationships with female figures, uh, could have fueled his violent tendency. The Killer’s anger was likely directed specifically at women, and deep-seated psychological, is, maybe also he was targeting hookers, maybe his mom, might, you know, angry, you were never there, you was on the streets, I’m going to pay you back.

That’s right. For instance, the killer may have lived alone or with a relative, keeping a low profile, but may have shown signs of distress or agitation around the time of the murders. He also suggested that the Ripper was someone who could blend in easily in the area, like we went over. Douglas believed that the Ripper’s motive was deeply rooted in a need for control and domination over victims. The brutality and mutilation of the victim suggested rage. Overkill indicated that the murders were personal and driven by psychological torment, weirdly personal. Like the mutilation of the bodies, especially removal of organs, uh, was viewed as a way for the killer to feel powerful.

The Ripper may have gained, the Ripper may have gained satisfaction not just from the killings, but also from the terror of White Chapel, with the the news articles. Oh, probably why? Probably, I wrote the letter, honestly, to cre, to create, yeah, frenzy. Douglas postulated that after committing the murders, the Ripper may have exhibited signs of relief, like how he might have shown anxiety or Sudden Change in Behavior, such as drinking, Etc, but there was relief when he did it, so it was almost like a release. Okay, so he had like all this like rage pent up, and then like he got to do another one, cuz it builds up again, like, yeah.

One of the biggest, and, and he says one of the biggest mysteries surrounding Jack the Ripper is, why did it stop? That’s a good point. I know, I, I was thinking about that. In the, he was caught, there was no, there was no, he wasn’t even on the, maybe he got hit by a carriage or something. True. You know, he’s just like, I’m really on board, I’m on board with like, like the chaos of life, like back then. Yeah, that, that just random things happen, and he got like cut, and got like sexist, and then like just died, like somebody killed him. I mean, like, you know, living in the, living in bar, like [bleep] you.

So Douglas says that the killer may have just died, he may have been incarcerated for another crime, institutionalized for something else, there’s a million things that could Happ, he may have moved, but there was some sort of life event that occurred, that he was no longer there. You would think if he was still alive, he’d be doing it somewhere else. Even if he moved, like, he, you don’t just, like, you don’t cold turkey that [bleep]. Cold turkey, exactly. So each of the canonical five were done at night, or close to the weekend, either at the end of the month, or a week or so after.

The mutilations increased upon every murder, so at the beginning it was very, like, I don’t want to say light, because the beginning murder was still horrible. Yeah, but it wasn’t, it wasn’t as excessive. Yes, it just got more progressively, like, uh, grotesque. Yeah, and like, like, yeah, abrasive, or braen. Brazen. Yeah. Far apart, uh, was it, from like number one to number five, do we know months? Okay, he said, us, usually towards the end the month, we didn’t really clarify that on the first one, so, okay, so yeah, I mean, I could pull it out, um, but it’s months. It seems like maybe like it was, like, he’s doing it around his, like, work schedule, like towards the weekend, end of the month, maybe it’s like a couple days off, I got P time to get, got, let me go check out these whse, stey, Che, his headit, yeah.

So unfortunately, um, you know, in the war, a vast majority of the police files were destroyed in the blitz. Oh, when they got bombed. That sucks. So a majority of those files are gone. Um, we do know that a large team of policemen conducted house-to-house inquiries throughout White Chapel. Forensic material was collected and examined, uh, if you wanted to look into each victim, there’s a inventory list of all the things they had on them. Oh wow. And it’s like, you know, basic stuff, like boots and Combs and bonnets. Bonnets. Yeah, actually. Yeah. So suspects were identified, traced, and either examined more closely or eliminated. 2,000 people were interviewed, um, [bleep], 300 people were investigated, 80 people were detained for it, they even offered an award for 500b.

Oh wow, that’s a lot back. Wow. For, they arrested the Ripper. Goodbye, I hope [bleep] barrels are around with that. So they really focused on butchers, slaughterers, surgeons, and Physicians, and a surviving note from major Henry Smith, who was the acting commissioner, indicates that the aliis of local butchers and slaughterers were investigated, with the result that they were eliminated if they had aliis for any of the five murders. But like, how do you even cooperate, it’s just like back in the day, like there’s no Like CCTV, there’s no like [bleep] cell phone, like Ping where your cell tower is, like, yeah, it’s like there’s no, every single thing was witness, witness related, and, you know, how, which is literally the most, the most unreliable source of information.

A report from inspector Swanson to the home office confirms that 76 butchers and slaughterers were visited to inquire about them and their whereabouts. So they really were on this butcher. Yeah. Barber, that’s the one that makes the most sense, the. Well, then they also found like that that the [bleep] with the apron, the leather, that too. True, true, true. Uh, even the queen thought it was a a pattern, she even said it seemed like it was a butcher or cattle driver or something like that. Um, White Chapel was close to the London docks, and usually they were boats, so Thursday and Friday they departed, on Saturday or Sunday, so maybe a fisherman.

Go, hey, we were just talking about that. Y, criminal profiling. At the end of October, Robert Anderson asked police surgeon Thomas Bond to give his opinion on the extent of the murderers. The opinion offered by Bon on the character of The White Chapel murder is the earliest surviving offender profile, and this is what he wrote. So this is the first serial killer profile description ever recorded. Okay, basically, all five murders were no doubt committed by the same hand. In the first four, the throats appear to have been cut from left to right. In the last case, owing to the extens of Mutilation, it’s impossible to say in what direction the Fatal cut was made, because it was so much.

Yeah, like way, arterial blood was found on the wall, and splashes close to the woman’s head, must have been where she was lying. But if they were cut from left to right, then they’re probably right-handed. Which we said he was probably left-handed. H. The first two, the doctors said they thought it was left-handed. But I got like the major, like the real Pro is like, yeah. So Bon, strongly, he, this analysis was Bond was strongly opposed to the idea that the murderer possess any scientific or anatomical knowledge, or even the technical knowledge of a butcher or horse slatter. In his opinion, the killer must have been a man of solitary habits, subject to periodical attacks of homicidal and erotic Mania.

Bon also stated that the homicidal impulse may have developed from a revengeful or brooding condition of mind, or religious mania, Etc. Oh yeah, like Zealot. Like, but, I, again, you know, there is zero evidence that the perpetrator, who is known as Jack the Ripper, performed any sexual activity with any of the victims, yet many psychologists have come out and said that the penetration of the victims with a knife was the sexual penetration. Oh, okay, okay. I can see that. I can’t see that, I don’t get it. Well, no, when you’re a weirdo and you’re murdering people, obviously, I know, but, but like, like stabbing somebody is not the same as putting your penis in their vagina.

Yeah, but dude, like, but like, yeah, but people, people do weird [bleep]. It’s just like, okay, like, do you, do you think you would get pleasure from getting [bleep] kicked out of you? There you go. Hey, by the way, I saw that, what, I don’t even know that story. You don’t know? Clint put a cigar in her vagina. Yeah, oh yeah. [Laughter] Anyways, so the concentration of the killings were around weekends and public holidays, and were all within walking distance to each other. So the idea is, is that he either lived or worked in that area. There you go. That’s right. So that’s the idea.

Um, there were additional letters that were sent in, but a majority of ripperologists, as they call themist, consider that the only actual letter was the first letter. That seems, that’s, I would, that seems accurate. You can’t really TR the other one’s, there’s, there’s a saucy Jackie postcard marked in October, uh, they say the handwriting was similar to the dear boss, and it mentioned it, but it’s been argued that postcard was posted before the murders were publicized, making it unlikely. Um, there was a from Hell letter, which was a movie, then the movie with Johnny Depp was then based on that, okay, which is called from hell, if you wanted to see that.

And, um, anywayss, but again, they come back saying that it, they can’t confirm that it was, can’t confirm it. You know, again, it’s it’s the trying to be celebrity kind of thing, you know, this is weird. Yeah, everybody popping out of nowhere. Yeah, everyone wants, trying to take credit, everyone wants to be famous, even weird [bleep]. I know, it’s the DB Cooper syndrome, literally, we’ll go with. I know, in the iate aftermath of the murders, and later, Jack the Ripper became the boogeyman, like, he was, he became the monster, in like the Hollywood 1920s and 30s, he became the monster. Yeah, he became the bad guy, and it, and, you know, uh, a lot of these things, even in, u, Arthur Conan Bo’s, uh, Sherlock, there were incorporations of this.

Even, I feel like zodiac copied him, uh, you know, like in pop culture and everything. Like this dude. Yeah, he is like the ultimate Evil, he’s the original. Yeah, um, even Dracula is kind of, there, there are a lot of similarities of taking out organs, and, you know, that whole thing, so vad the say. Yeah, in 2006, BBC did a poll about the worst Britains in history, and they selected Jack the Ripper as the worst Britain in history. I mean, I would also voted that too. In 2015, uh, Jack the Ripper museum opened in East London, many Museum. What the [bleep]? I don’t know if I’d go.

I don’t know, it attracted criticism from both, uh, Mayor John bigs and protesters. Similar protesters occurred in 2021 when the second of two Jack the chipper fish and chip Chips shops opened. In green, it’s like too soon. They literally, too, they literally call it Jack the chipper. Oh my God. And they specialize in fish and chips. That’s, anyways, the reason I’m telling you this is cuz like Jack the Ripper became, yeah, it’s this weird like super famous. Yeah, like, you were said like a PP cult, pop culture type thing. Like, yeah, yeah, exactly. So there you go, so now we’re going to go into the theories, conspiracy theories and outlandish theories, Etc.

So there was a book called Jack the Ripper the final solution, in 1978, by Stephen knight, uh, and it was a theory, a conspiracy theory involving the Ripper murders, and ever since then it has kind of stuck. And a theory links the murders to a royal coverup, in involving Prince Albert Victor, known as Eddie, the Freemasons, of course, a high-profile government figure, and including the Queen’s physician, Sir William goal. Night’s Story begins with the BBC researching Ripper case in 1973, they were led to a man named Joseph sard, the son of the famous painter wal walter sard. Joseph told them, in a sensational tale, he said Prince Eddie had secretly married a commoner named Annie cook, and had a daughter named Alice M Margaret.

When Queen Victoria learned of this, she feared a scandle, and ordered the prime minister to handle it. Go, which was the physician under Salsbury, ERS experimented on Annie, causing her mental deterioration, while Mary Jane Kelly, who knew the secret, and became Alice’s caretaker. So Mary Jane Kelly was the final victim. Oh [bleep]. And was the caretaker of the illegitimate child of the prince. Oh, so he had to clean up. L Sands, that makes sense. Yeah, so Alice’s caretaker, Kelly, later threatened to expose the affair, alongside Paulie Nichols, Elizabeth stride, Annie Chapman. Oh, cuz they were all like homies. They’re all homies. Oh, so they all together, as like the canonical five.

Oh, that also makes sense. Why? Tried to Blackmail the Royal government. Well, that also explains why. If, why the murders would, to stop. Ah, like, yeah, once all the, once all like the, you know, the the potential scandals are gone, no need to kill anybody anymore. So to silence the women, go, The Physician, assisted by Coachman John netley, began a series of ritualistic murders under the guys of Jack the Ripper. But like, why would they get so sad, like, why would they have to do like that much though, like just kill some people? Say, no, no, no, we got to really spice it up. Some people say there were, got make it convincing, some people say there were Masonic, Masonic symbols, in involvement with high ranking officials.

Oh, with the [bleep] on the shoulder, with intestines on the shoulder, and the [bleep] skin flap on the. Okay, then supposedly died shortly thereafter, which was the physician, then the right-hand man, nly, drowned in the team, themes. Oh, randomly. Dr drown in in a, in a dish, s, keep saying that wrong, tames. Yeah, and then Annie crook died inside a workhouse. So all the loose hens, all the lo, yeah, right, he drowned. Meanwhile, meanwhile, meanwhile, the legimate child was raised in secret and eventually married elsewhere, became the king. I’m, so there’s a lot of flaws in this, but that still kind of sticks as one of the bigger conspiracies, which is, that’s the Royal coverup.

I kind of like it. I kind of like it. No, I mean, I think it it’s a little wonky, but I like the, I like the bones, like the bones. Yeah, like the structure of it. Yeah, I do. It’s very much like the, uh, the in the Iron Mask, heard that? Yeah, was like he was like the the illegitimate, and they’re like, like [bleep], get rid of him, replace himh. So ripperologist Donald rumo and others have debunked key elements of the theory, proving that the supposed sites and characters could not have existed as Knight described. Even Joseph zard later admitted to fabricating parts of the story.

Critics also pointed that that night’s Theory hinges on the idea of a massive conspiracy, and there’s no evidence to support anything, which kind of lends itself to being a conspiracy in the first place. Yeah, exactly. Well, that’s why it’s conspiracy. Yeah, if it was, if there was irrefutable evidence, they would just, we would just know. Yeah, we wouldn’t have this podcast about, y, exactly. So, uh, there’s one Uh, I’m going to go through a couple of the suspects. Yeah, tell you a little bit about them, and then at the end of this, this we’ll kind of go, okay, good, we’ve got all the suspects, the theories, who did it, who did this.

There’s somebody by the name of Monague John druitt. He’s one of the most well-known suspects in the Ripper case. He was a barer, a barrister, a barister and a school teacher. I know, that’s what I thought, ioos. Yeah, Mak cappuccinos in in the East End. He’s no, he’s a bar. Yeah, uh, okay, so he is a barer and a school teacher, coming from a respectable middle class family in Dorset. Despite his professional success, Dru reportedly struggled mental with mental health, uh, a lot of personal difficulties. In, you know, he was born in 1857, he was the son of a prominent surgeon. Um, after completing his education, he became a bar, and later took up a position as a teacher in a boarding school.

By many accounts he was intelligent, hardworking, and well-liked. However, he was believed to experienced episodes of extreme depression and other mental health challenges. He eventually committed suicide, but his connection to the Ripper case, uh, is due to a memorandum written by Sir Melville Magneton, and he was the assistant chief conit. What does that mean? Sir Melville Magneton, that’s his name. Oh, I, I never heard of that element guy. No, he wrote a memorandum, like, upon his death, and, and he said, and he was the assistant chief Constable of the Metro Police in 1894, and he listed magnen, or Dru, we’ll go with Dru, as one of the three main suspects, describing him as sexually insane, claiming that the murder stopped when he committed suicide.

O. Okay, according to him, dwi’s family had concerns about his mental health, suggesting that he may have exhibited signs of instability. One key reason for the suspicion around him is the timing of his death. His body was discovered floating in the river on December 31st of that year, and he was supposedly floating in the water for a month. So essentially, his death coincides perfectly with with the final death, which was Maryanne Kelly on November 9th. Okay, tracking. Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, that’s really about it on evidence. More like it’s more like a kinky dink. Yes, yes, exact. Family was like, he was [bleep] weird, and, like, they’re like, oh yeah, right, they’re like, uh, like, you know, it’s not the booze or the rampid alcoholism or fetal alcohol syndrome, it’s, you know, it’s it’s him, there something wrong with him.

Okay, next suspect, Aaron kusminsky, and he’s the one that you sent me. Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah, just so you know, uh, he’s one of the most enduring suspects in the Jack the Ripper case. He was born on September 11th, 1865, in Poland, part of the Russian Empire at the time. Uh, at that time, you know, he fled Eastern Europe to escape poverty and persecution, eventually Landing in East event. Landing in the worst place on Earth. True, true, right, he was poverty, to go, definitely not the American dream. Aaron kazy’s mental health deteriorated significantly during his time in London. Reports described him as suffering from auditory hallucinations, paranoia, and other symptoms that were later identified as paranoid schizophrenia.

He experienced delusions and was said to hear voices compelling him to act violently. His behavior became increasingly erratic, and his family, uh, struggled to care for him. In 1891, kazinsky was declared insane and was admitted to colney Lunatic Asylum. He later transferred to Levens Den Asylum, where he remained until his death in 1919. I love how they literally call that place the whatever Lunatic Asylum. Yeah, sorry, pretty straight forward, right? Okay, records from these institutions describe him as refusing to eat food, uh, prepared by others due to paranoid fears of being poisoned, uh, and often behaving and being in a catatonic State. Yeah, he was first identified as a suspect years after the Ripper murders, largely through police memoranda written by high ranking officials, assistant commissioner Robert Anderson and Chief Inspector Donald swans, both named Kaminsky as a prime suspect in their private personal writings, before they died.

In Anderson’s Memoirs, he stated that Ripper had been a low class polish jew who was identified by a witness but could not be prosecuted, because the witness, also a Jew, refused to testify against another Jew. Jews stick together even if they are murdering [bleep]. Okay, Chief Inspector Swanson’s notes added more detail, specifically naming kusminsky as a suspect, in describing how the witness’s identification occurred, but how no trial occurred because the witness was unwilling to give that evidence. Now this guy was also a barber, right, is that, is that the same guy? Which would kind of help explain how, uh, he aici with the knife. Yeah, that knife work, exactly, you know, somehow.

Well, I mean, one of the, here are, here are the couple things that why people think that it’s him. One is that he was put in into an insane asylum, right at the end, murderer, no, right at the end of the murders. Oh, okay, so like he, you remember we were talking about the murder stopped and why. No, okay, cuz he went away. Cuz he went away, right? But it’s never been definitely proven that he had any involvement in the murders, so historians are constantly arguing about it. Then in 2014, and Jorge sent me this link in a video, uh, there was a DNA analysis done by a shaw that was near the body of Katherine Ado, uh, the Ripper’s fourth victim, and and one of the doctors, a senior lecturer in molecular biology, conducted that analysis and reported that there was linked DNA from the shaw to one of the descendants of kmix M Minsky’s sister.

So there’s like some, they don’t have his DNA, but there’s like some DNA, like some similar. So essentially here’s what we have with kusminsky, we have, he was Psycho, yeah, he was put in Asylum, the murder stopped, yeah, and then they never happened again, and potential DNA, and potential DNA compar, comparables, relation, relation aside from that, that’s what, get, that’s it, also there was some, he was a suspect by the Scotland Yard. Okay, yeah, okay, okay, okay. But again, also, and I’m going to just throw out there that the the FBI profiler, what was his name, John, John Douglas, John Douglas, yeah, he said, he was likely, he concluded that he was likely, b based guy, yeah, based on, based on his profile and the evidence and all the suspects, he said he was likely the individual.

That’s pretty, that’s a strong bald F, and he’s, uh, on video saying it. I watched the video, and this was before 2014, when they did the whole DNA thing, correct. This was in 1985. Yeah, oh [bleep], yeah, this guy might be H, might be Hest, there you go. So put that in your little cap. So a couple other ones, George Chapman. Chapman was a Polish immigrant who worked as a barber in London. He later became a serial killer in his own, the guy was thinking about then, so Chapman became a serial killer separately, separately. So one day he’s like, [bleep] it, dude, like this actually hot odds for him to be the guy, though, but, so he was in White Chapel during that time.

Um, but he became a serial killer, quote unquote, by poisoning people. That’s a lot different than like carving out the organ. It’s a lot different. But again, you can’t count out the dude in the area who then became serial killer in his own right, separately, does that make sense? But being so different, do you really think a guy who was doing that [bleep] be like, I’m going to switch to like non- cont poison. That’s right, psychologically it’s probably not the same profile. Yeah, it seems like he’d be like, this one cut, just like just a little one. Uh, then there’s also Doc, Dr Thomas cream, his name is Dr Thomas cream, okay, and he also was a serial killer, and he was hanged for being a serial killer, and allegedly his deathbed words, Jack, well, it wasn’t a death bed, it was Aang hanging bed, his final, alle, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, his last words were, I am Jack, the dead.

Oh, like, I am Jack, then drop, correct. He was like Jack, Jack the C, I don’t know, Jack the stack, I don’t know, there’s not a lot of evidence otherwise, except for it’s a deathbed confession. We know how, we kill people, poison, this guy did. Yeah, I thought the other guy did poison. They both did, they both were poison. This guy never cut anybody. No, but he was, okay, but wasn’t this guy a surgeon, though? So some people say that he was incarcerated in the state of Illinois during during this time, so, you know, it’s hard to say, you know what I mean. Yeah, again, these are theories, you know.

Yeah, okay, and one of the coolest theories that we’re going to go over, aliens. I love it. No, actually, it’s a little bit later, we got, we got one, but this one is wild to me. Um, have you ever heard of HH Holmes? No, I don’t know why it sounds familiar. Yes, you probably have. So HH Holmes is one of the most infamous American serial killers ever, and he was the guy who had the hotel in Chicago during the World Fair in the late early 1900s and the late 1800s, and he, it was just a murder Factory, and he would like get people to come in and women and stuff like that, and just [bleep] kill them in the hotel, put him down a shoot, and then there was bodies everywhere.

[bleep] [bleep] gnarly. Yeah, Jesus. So there’s a theory that HH Holmes is a tour, is Jack the Ripper, because it was around the same time, but it was in America, and so the theory is like he, a little trip abroad, and then, that’s right, essentially it was like, hey, he went to, he went to London for a vacay and did a little butcher down a White Chapel. This one I like. This one, the central claim of the theory is that HH Holmes, whose real name was Herman Webster mudget, might have traveled to London during the time of Jack the Ripper, during 1888, that, and committed Those gruesome murders and then returned to the United States, and thus ending the murders of, right, Jack the Ripper.

So leaves there, then the murder stop, the the suggest continue us. Y, the theory suggests that Holmes medical knowledge, cunning, sadistic Tendencies, Etc, Holmes was a trained physician, as best known for constructing something called The Murder Castle in Chicago during the 1893 World’s Fair, which was 5 years earlier to the, can you just [bleep] imagine the two worst serial killers on the world in the same time time period, just in different locations. It’s just strange. It’s very strange. But the building he made, if you ever really want to go into the craziest [bleep] ever, he made a building with trap doors, torture chambers, Etc, and he just killed so many people.

[bleep], well this seems like more like closer to the ml. Yeah, he’s not like poisoning people, he’s like doing very sadistic disgusting things. Yeah, anyways, again, we went over a little bit, like he had medical expertise, he was a physician, uh, he would practice, he knew all, he also had the means, like he was like poor. Yes, exactly, he could take a trip to England if he wanted to, cuz he’s got cash. The timeline of holes activities in the US around 1888 has gaps, so not a lot of people know what he was doing during 1888, so he could have traveled to London. Both Holmes and Jack the Ripper were known for their brutality and for targeting women only.

There’s tor anatomical knowledge, Etc, some claim’s a lot of, there’s a lot of stuff there. Some claim that the descriptions of Jack the Ripper given by Witnesses Loosely match Holmes as far as like his physical appearance, Etc, but again, from a counter, like, if we looked at the counter arguments, there’s no documentation, no TR travel records. Yeah, um, modus op rendai is a little different. HH hmes didn’t necessarily pull out their organs and put them ritualistically. Yeah, yeah, didn’t put them on their shoulders and [bleep]. Anyway, so there you go, there was a TV show, if you were interested in looking at it, I watched it, it was okay, uh, it’s called American Ripper, and it’s one of those reality shows where they go, I’m going to solve it, and then they don’t really solve anything, you know, that kind of, and then at the end, like, great, yeah, yeah, you’re like, great, I’ve spent 36 hours to, yeah, literally, just to find out that they didn’t solve it.

A couple others, this one’s interesting because his name is Joseph Barnett. He’s the only one who was a suspect that was connected to one of the victims, okay. You notice how all these suspects, there’s no like personal HB. Yes, there’s no personal relation. Joseph Barnett, his close relationship with the final victim Mary Jan Kelly, uh, he was a fish Porter at billingsgate Market. He lived with Mary Jane Kelly, and he was the LA for approximately 18 months before her murder. Okay, their relationship was tumultuous. Barnett provided financial support until he lost his job. They got into a big fight, apparently the night before, they argued.

Barnett left their shared lodgings for good. Witnesses stay that Kelly allowed other women, you remember, she was like the the one who was like letting people in, he disliked the constant prostitution everywhere and influence, so he’s like [bleep]. So basically he is, he’s the only one who knew one of the victims, who has then a motive, and kind of, you know, that sort of thing, prostitutes. Barnett was questioned by police shortly after the murder, he provided an alibi, claiming he was at his own lodging house the night of the murder, and they didn’t really find any concrete evidence to leak him, he was released. Um, and he wasn’t really seriously pursued as a suspect after that.

Yeah, um, interesting, but some, uh, some ripperologists consider it to be the only crime of passion for Kelly, because it was such a gnarly, yeah, murder, know me, it’s so, it’s so excessive. I know. Okay, so now I have five or six that are very rapid fire theories. Do it. Yeah, and these are the Wild Ones, these are the a little bit out there, there no evidence, so, but we’re going to talk about them in in in their own. Okay, good. Uh, some theorists have suggested that Jack the Ripper was in fact a woman. Damn. And have coined the term Jill the Ripper. The theory argues that a midwife or a woman with medical knowledge could have committed the murders and escaped suspicion, because people wouldn’t have expected a woman to commit these kind of CRI crimes.

Additionally, a midwife would have plausible reason for being covered in blood, and so nobody would suspect her, but the on the street though. One of the suspects in this theory is Mary piery, who is convicted of brutal murder later in 1890. However, no evidence suggests that, but it’s called the Jill the Ripper Theory. Yeah, another Wild One. Have you ever heard of Lewis Carroll? Leis Carroll wrote Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland. Oh yeah, oh okay. Author Richard Wallace proposed the bizarre idea that Lewis Carroll was Jack the Ripper. Wallace claimed that Carol’s writings contained anagrams that, when rearranged, confessed to the Ripper murders. Okay, he he argued that Carol supposedly repressed rage, psychological issues led him to commit the murders.

Yeah, however, this theory has been widely criticized, it just a little, if you take the third, fourth, or 17th letter of every, This spells out. Hey, super weird one, the time traveler Theory. The [bleep] out of here. A truly science fiction based Theory suggests that Jack the Ripper was actually a time traveler from the future. According to the theory, the time traveler went back to Victorian era to either carry out the Mur murders, or to correct something in the timeline, and the Ripper murders were an unintended consequence of correcting the timeline. I’m going to spend 6 hours mutilating this person. This is like ritualistically rearranging [bleep].

This is like the Avengers going back and accidentally killing five prostitutes. Yeah, but not just killing them like brutally mutilating them. Save the timeline horrible. Okay, that one’s [bleep]. Another one, Jack the Ripper was a Freemason. Some theories suggest that Jack the Ripper was a free mason ritualistic aspects, and the murders were ritualistic killings tied to Mason Masonic symbolism. The idea is that the Ripper Left Behind Clues connected to Masonic rituals, and that high ranking members of the Freemasons were involved in covering up the crimes. The proponents of this this Theory point to the graffiti that was found at the crime scene, the Jews are the men that will not be blamed for nothing, as a potential Masonic reference.

Oh, okay, sure, I mean, it’s possible, I’m not, not, I’m not discounting it. Yeah, not discounting it. Uh, Jack the Ripper was a famous author. Some theories have suggest that the famous authors such as Arthur, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the creator of Sherlock Holmes, may have been involved in the murders. The theory suggests that Conan Doyle had a fascination with crime and used the Ripper murders as a way to act out his darkest fantasies and help create the greatest mystery novel, murder mystery novels of all time, Sherlock Holmes. I mean, while it’s not impossible, I just don’t think like that’s happening. Y, sounds like one of those like do it for the Graham, like, yeah, do it for the gr, back in the day, any PRS good PR.

Another one, one of the most farfetched theories suggests that Jack the Ripper’s victims were actually abducted and mutilated by extraterrestrial beings. Yeah, okay, this is the best sound in, I’m already interested. The idea is that the Ripper murders were part of an alien experiment, or that the killer himself was an alien, and that the alien was dissecting humans and they wanted to find out what made humans tick. Yeah, but no, I just based on what they’re doing to these ladies, like, I can’t imagine aliens, like, I wonder if I stab her in the vagina, will H let me take it, let me take it with me, take it with me.

Another theory, some have speculated that Jack the Ripper may have had supernatural abilities, such as being able to vanish Into Thin Air after committing the murders. No, no, next, because the argument is, is that it must have taken 20, 30 minutes to do that, but nobody came along, and then they just disappeared. I mean, he us just doing it like 2, 300 a.m., everyone’s [bleep] camed drunk. I mean, come on, no one’s paying, one of them was like 4:00 a.m., like, it’s what is happening at 4:00 a.m., no, that’s why no one’s seeing [bleep]. Yeah, it vanish cuz no, no one’s there. Yeah, all right, the final one is the basis of the theory of Jackal and Hyde.

Oh, okay, like he’s standing citizen. Correct. Yeah, then he [bleep] snats a psycho. So strangely enough, the Nolla Strange Case of Dr dreal and Mr Hyde was published two years prior to the Ripper murders. Oh, and it’s like a firsthand account. Yes, some some have theorized that the story was inspired by, or even played a role in the crimes. The idea is that Ripper had a dual personality similar to to the character in that Robert Le Stevenson work, and I definitely think that like, maybe I mean, you know, you never know, I mean, I think there’s probably some like, how do you like compartmentalize that, like, and like do like a normal day.

Yeah, after doing something like that, you’re going to have to like section that [bleep] off, so maybe that’s, I can see how MH it could be like, I don’t think the book has anything to do with it, but I’m saying like that person in as an individual, yeah, probably had like something like that. Well, good job everybody, we got through every theory that we could find, um, and we got through all of the the the nitty-gritty. Now obviously there’s more that you could dive into, each murder has even more information, more witnesses, more, uh, like what they had in their pockets, uh, all all the different things, but we tried to take what was the most important pieces of information and then figure out what to do from there.

So, you know, one thing we didn’t dive into to possibility Of a hunter, you know, like somebody that, oo, you know, is, and they they know how to like the deer, the deer stalker c, yeah, there you go. Although these guys didn’t seem like there was a lot of hunting involved, 1,600 of these. No, but meaning like, like a, the ability to skin and the ability to like, yeah, and that’s how the guy knew like basic anatomy. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, not a bad idea, fisherman or Hunter, totally, fish Fishman makes, I like that, and and what you were saying earlier about like, you know, cutting up the cut up that tun, knowing exactly what to do.

So obviously the guy was just a psycho, that full Psycho, full, you know, something tripped, and then like he just goes, he does the first one, and uh, and then he’s like, oh [bleep], I got away with it, and then it just kind of like keeps going. Yeah, it’s like something like just kind of turns on, yeah, in him. Who do you think it was, though? Do you think it’s any of those guys out of what we know, or is it somebody else? No, out of out of everything we just went over, if, if, if I had to pick one, of those, holes is the closest.

You like that HH one? I do like the hes. I do think the HH is actually really solid. I, I personally think that there’s got like, I like when there’s legitimate motive, and the fact that these are seral killers, just no motive, no, no, no, right, like these are [bleep] Psychopaths, no. But in terms of a cons iry, in terms of what we do, there’s typically, oh yeah, there’s some, there’s there’s a there’s a higher level reason behind it, other than like random actx of insanity. MH, so I like the one, I don’t think it’s necessarily the exact thing, I think it’s a it’s a version of it of the the the old like Royal coverup thing.

Oh yeah, I think that, no, I think that maybe like that did happen, and obviously these girls all kind of know each other, illegitimate kid. Yeah, I think there was an illegitimate kid, he was [bleep] some hook or whatever, and I think maybe like one of the dudes who was like, maybe, maybe even the royal family is like, don’t kill him, just like make sure they just don’t talk. I don’t know what happened, but yeah, I think maybe one of the guys like takes it a little like off the [bleep] rails, yeah, and then goes deep, because then those dudes end up dying anyways, and get, gets the one dude’s in [bleep], drowns, the other dude gets killed, and I’m like, and then the the crowd, like, wipe their hands, too many coincidences kind of thing.

Exactly, that’s what I’m saying, and those girls, you know, they [bleep] know each other, the last girl was having girls stay with her, like the odds of them knowing each other in a tiny little town are pretty high. Yes, like at that, that that’s true, they know everybody, they know all the jobs, you know, yeah, and they, you know, all yeah, so I think that they, there could have been five of them, like, oh yeah, we were there that night, and we happened to see him, and then you had got pregnant, you were had a baby right after, they’re like, oh [bleep], and they’re like, oh dud, we can extort these rich [bleep], and then like, true, actually, I like your entire mentality is like get out out of the slum, dude, for sure, like God, it’s got a suck, it’s the worst, and we do know they all knew each other, they had to have, D each other, you know, 75% of the chicks at least, they were like, yeah, I know that girl, I see her around all the time, that’s why they have all the nicknames.

Oh, there’s there’s long Lenny, and then [bleep], like you, like we should get some nicknames. Huh, we should get some nicknames. Yeah, like Fu, I could be bald Eric. No, I was thinking long Eric, long Eric, long, long Eric will do. A, I don’t even know what I would be, loud Sean, annoying. All right, so Jorge tripod, Jorge, penis joke, know, penis joke, you get it, do, do you get it? Yes, I get it, because you can stand on support like a tripod. I know the joke. No, what do you think? Hor already gave his two cents about you, uh, I kind of like the the uh the guy who is psycho in the insane asylum, oh, okay, kinsky, and the DNA, the DNA, and like he goes in, and it seems pretty logical, that is kind of weird that it just stops, you’re a Steeler killer, you’re going to keep going, what is it, Aaron?

That’s also why I like the the thing, cuz like they killed all five [bleep], right, right, and then it’s like, but I don’t really understand the Jew thing, I don’t understand, I think that might have just been some random [bleep], yeah, some random [bleep] on the wall, they spelled, no, who spelled Jews that way, if you’re going to do a hate, you can’t even, like, it’s like misspelling the, it’s like how do you [bleep] that up? I like, I I kind of like the the insane guy, yeah, makes sense, and what you had sent me, which the DNA thing, I know, it’s a far, far, but there is a Sim, there there’s something something there, some familial connection, but at the same time they’re prostitutes, so maybe he just [bleep] the girl, dude.

That’s also true, no there’s no evidence of that, no, no, but I mean Sean, it was not, it was on the, okay, yeah, yeah, maybe he was just like, I’m just saying, it doesn’t, how manys they have in a night, it could have been, he just smashed like, happens to, yeah, so you know, there’s, so you know, anyways, yeah, all right, love to hear what you guys, I know we’re all like deflated, I do know it’s it’s horrific, it’s horrible, I don’t, I don’t even, it’s it’s crazy that the stories continued to persist, but it’s because there’s the mystery, it’s the boogeyman, it’s the it’s the dude who never got caught, and like creeping in the night, in the [bleep], we’re also fascinated by the unknown, dud, yeah, ex, we got to like [bleep] fill the void, yeah, exactly.

Well, let us know what you guys think, who do you think killed, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, who do you think is Jack the r, Jack, Jack, ji ripel, yeah, that’s right, ji rip, he’s a French [bleep], I would believe that. All right, well, uh, anything else? I think that’s it. I think that’s it. Yeah, yeah, well, hopefully we didn’t uh freak you out with this one, yeah, I know it’s dark, but you know, at the same time was good, it’s pretty good, I liked it, I learned, I didn’t know, I just knew Jack ther was a murderer, I didn’t know any other [bleep] that he did, same, same, yeah, it’s pretty, it’s pretty gnarly, and there’s a lot more that you could dive into, and and hopefully this was the the launch point if you wanted to look more into your studies.

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