All right, hi everybody. Welcome to the conspiracy podcast. My name is Eric. I am Sean. Jorge. And we’re back again. Uh, we are doing an episode on chemtrails. What the are chemtrails? Still trying to figure it out. And um, so here we go.

Uh, chemtrail conspiracies have been around since basically the 90s, and people I guess are really into them. I mean it’s like since planes. Yeah, well not really. I I don’t remember anybody talking about like chemtrails 30 years ago, 25 years ago. No, that’s a good point, that’s a good point. No, there’s a reason. So um, the chemtrail conspiracy uh began to like circulate um after the uh USAF, the Air Force, they published a report in 1996 about weather modification. Ooh. That’s a whole another episode too, by the way, we’ll get into that later.

Yeah, so uh following the report in the late 90s, they were accused of basically spraying the US population with mysterious substances, so from from the aircraft. Controls the mind. And yeah, what they said is it generated unusual contrail patterns. Okay, okay. Um, so multiple agencies then responded to that uh trying to get rid of the rumors, and that was published in 2000 by the EPA, the FAA, uh NASA. Um, all reputable sources. Yeah, literally all of them. EPA, they got our backs. All of them came in and they were like, no no no no no, don’t worry, no no no worry, you see what had happened was. Yes, no no big deal, it’s the planes farting, it’s not a big deal.

Actually very similar to Roswell, like no it’s a balloon. Yeah, everybody got all fired up when they said no, you know, when they came out and said no this is not right. So um, and then they recently came out and said, they’re like okay, actually sorry we lied, so they came out with this whole report saying it’s essentially, you know. Yeah, um, but debunked. But like we, like we said, fact checkers have approved this. Same ones that work for Facebook, exactly. That’s when it got really crazy, because then it was like oh this is a government against the little people thing, right, you know what I mean. And so um, by little people means 99% of the population. Yeah, exactly.

Uh, so in the early 2000s the Air Force released an undated fact sheet that stated the conspiracy theories were a hoax, fueled in part by citations to a 1996 strategy paper that was drafted within their university titled weather as a force multiplier. Okay, this already, like this is already ridiculous, and it goes on and they say owning the we, this is the title of the paper, which is weather as a force multiplier, owning the weather in 2025. And so the Air Force is like that’s what they’re, that’s like their data. Well that was the paper, it’s because of this one person in college who wrote this paper. Yeah, so that was in 1996, and they were saying owning the weather in 2025, like controlling the weather. What do you mean? That’s what they say is owning the weather. Okay, yeah, so but essentially controlling the weather.

So if they could, you know, with all that money and stuff like that you put in, uh I guess funding for research, and then you go okay could we control the weather in 30 years, because it’s, you know, with Katrina, with all these different things, it’s a disaster or whatever, and what if we could do it, what if we could control the weather, what if. So said that’s, that’s another episode, but like I, if they could I don’t see it, I don’t see that they do, you know. Yeah, like when when when when you have all these fires in California, why wouldn’t they just control the weather, make rain. That was the idea behind controlling the weather purpose. Maybe they were trying to do it and they just like couldn’t, they kept it up. Yeah, but that, that’s like one of the conspiracies is like they do this because they want to control the weather, and then they come out and they say no no no it’s just regular, it’s not chemicals.

Well what they essentially said was that it’s a strategy paper, it’s like, what is it, like, you know what I mean, like what if we could, what would you do with it, like, yeah it’s a theory, it was like a a strategy sesh. I love how that was like their back, like oh yeah we found this super obscure paper and like this is where all these like dudes in like the trailer park were like coming up with this thing, like because they were reading this strategy paper. So the paper, the paper was presented in response to a military directive to outline a future strategic weather modification system for the purpose of maintaining the United States military dominance all the way in the future, future to 2025. Oh, like only make it thunderstorm over their enemies for like 6 weeks at a time, damn it. Honestly though that would be pretty rad, bring in the lightning, bring down the frogs, send the tornado. Yeah it’s like like The Prince of Egypt.

Uh but they identified it as fictional representations of future situations and scenarios, so they also kind, like what the AI can do or can’t do. Yeah right, yeah some wrote a paper, the obviously false theory, yeah in college. So they went on to say further in 2005, because they continually like respond to this, got every every five years they got to like pump out some, uh it does not, quote, does not reflect current military policy practice or even our capabilities, and that it and not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future. Yeah because the the government has always been one hundo with us on, but you know why don’t, why do they keep replying to this stuff, you know what I mean, like Roswell happens and then they’re like ehh, you know this was definitely not us, like just shut up.

I saw this um TikTok like comedian on TikTok and he’s like, you know, I can understand you don’t trust the government, but you you don’t believe any of this. He’s like, I’m responsible for one son, yeah, I won’t say the rest of it. Uh so the United States Air Force stated that the chemtrail hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations and major media. First I got to dub in, like I really hate the word accredited. No, it’s cuz like who is like, oh yeah, because you realize it’s like some arbitrary organization is then saying that you’re legit, like, but who’s the person saying you’re legit. Well it’s like, say I’m accredited, yeah, but like who’s accrediting you, yeah, they should quote who the accredited, yeah who the accreditor. Well it says accredited universities, so I hope it’s not like, oh like I can transfer my credits over there, online school, like University of Phoenix. Yeah it’s a good school, it is good school, we’re sponsored.

Okay cool, so then going, check this out real quick, yeah, definition of accredited university. So the general definition of accredit is to be officially authorized or approved. The term is most commonly used in connection with educational institutions, as in other countries. Accreditation in the US is a stamp that a college or university meets basic standards. Okay so that means literally nothing. Yeah so it’s like you’re credit, okay.

Uh so in 2013 when it was made public that the CIA, NASA and NOAA, which is um National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, oh wow okay, and they’re not trying to control whether the organization, dude I want to join that one, uh intended to provide funds to the National Academy of Sciences in order to conduct research into methods that would counteract global warming. Okay so that was in 2013, so that just kind of fueled the fire even more on this whole conspiracy, which is that, you know, okay now we’re getting funding to control the weather. It’s like we’re not controlling the weather except we just got 30 billy, yeah, to try to control the weather because global warming it’s a problem.

So um now believers of this conspiracy say that chemtrails can be seen um by their long duration, oh when like when you see like the streaks in the sky like they they should dissipate instantly, yes okay, yeah, asserting that uh chemtrails are those trails left by aircraft that persist for as much as a half of a day and then transform into clouds. The believers claim that after 95 contrails had a different chemical composition and lasted longer in the sky. So they’re saying in 95 it started, okay, but like I guess what were there other, I’m assuming there’s other trails that are naturally left by aircraft. Yeah those are contrails which are called, which to define that is condensation trails, uh okay, so it’s actually just like moisture, like that’s a real thing, yeah that is, that’s a thing, that’s what you see. And that’s actually coming up, which is, but do we know how long they’re supposed to last.

So here we go, right, so contrails, what are contrails, right, you need to learn me. So contrails are actually condensation trails, and they’re streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by an airplane or a rocket at high altitude. That happens, yeah, that’s what happens. So fossil fuel combustion, as in like jet engines, uh they produce carbon dioxide and water vapor, so at high altitudes the air is super cold, oh it’s freezing super cold, um I don’t know if you’ve ever put your head out of a Southwest flight, cold, open the the cabin, don’t do that. Um so then hot humid air from the engine exhaust then mixes with the colder air that’s up there, and it causes the water vapor to condense into droplets, or I guess you would call them ice crystals, and then that forms visible clouds. Like that’s basically when it’s cold outside, you start your car and you see the little, you know the the smoke or the the condensation coming out of your breath, same thing, yeah that’s right, larger scale right.

And then the rate at which contrails dissipate is entirely dependent on weather conditions, really, like weather conditions like in the like 50,000 feet in the air. I mean I would assume that it’s not the same weather across the globe, 50,000 feet right, true, but I I got to think it’s got to be more equivalent because like once you’re that high and the amount of oxygen is so low it’s like it’s nominal difference. It’s like saying, like, you know for example like you drop a bowling ball on a feather in a vacuum, they drop the same rate, you’re getting closer to a vacuum, yeah therefore things must be more equivalent. Yeah so like there can’t be that much of a difference between like the sky in Malibu compared to like Honolulu, no they’re the, I mean there probably is, but you’re saying nominal, it’s got to be like fractal, you’re that high and it’s that cold, if you’re like obviously you’re like on land, yeah it’s super different.

Have humidity in the air, so obviously like you were saying, depending on where it is in the globe, like you’re going to have different humidity levels even at that height I would think, right, right, yeah absolutely, yeah 100%. Yeah so jets flying by and it creates this condensation thing or whatever that it leaves behind this trail, so I don’t know. Well it’s basically saying if the atmosphere is dry then the contrail will dissipate quickly, if it’s humid exactly, it’s not supposed to, right yeah. So believers of this conspiracy theory describe contrails as streams that should persist for hours but eventually blend into form large clouds, that they do, the normal contrails right.

Data on like how long the other ones left, you said like oh like hours or days or some, like not days, I don’t know, I haven’t really done a lot of research and I haven’t like got my camera out like timing out the trails. I’ve personally never seen a chemtrail last for days. I’ve seen one that definitely lasts for like, you know, whatever, half a day, like hours and hours. It’s weird, I see it but then I’m just like, I literally look at him like bastards, and then I go on my day, I keep doing whatever I’m doing. Well I mean the argument is, the argument I’m breathing it, the argument is that post 1995 uh they last longer, I see, as far as long. So that’s something the people are actually like looking at it, they’re like they’ve mapped out the timing of it, and they’re like okay, shit’s different now, yeah exactly.

All right so I have a couple things about people who are accredited sources, can we just use a different word, like how about valid, or like good sources, like sources that may possibly go believable sources, okay that’s better than accredited, you know. So uh but there you go, that’s just conspiracy overall, like the main conspiracy is that they’re trying to control the weather right, and they’re putting chemicals into planes and putting them over population, yeah, but for the purpose of controlling the weather. Yeah, see the main, I thought it was more sinister, I always believed it was like some form of like population control or some sort of like, you know, even like genetically modification, yeah somehow.

Like trying to, I mean because even if you look, you know, statistically in terms of like birth rates and all these things, it’s like, you know, we’re progressively having less and less kids, infertility is a huge problem, there’s a massive, you know, big field in terms of trying to, people trying to have kids and trying to get pregnant. So I felt that it was more of a thing like that, like okay, that’s what I’ve heard too, that’s what I research, or that’s one of the conspiracy theories. No that’s a big part of it, it’s, you know, that they’re putting chemicals into planes and dumping them on the US, and what those chemicals are and what the purpose is, is the big, yeah like the big what, big question. Because it’s kind of like, you know, and it’s not that hard to think, like we’ve been putting chemicals in planes for a long time, pesticides and like, you know, GMO, we’re pretty yeah. I mean maybe Hitler survived the war, fly planes over to, turn everybody, became a Delta pilot, yes.

So a couple things, and these arguments are against this theory, okay, so these are people and, you know, that sort of thing, accredited people, yeah yeah. So um, Edward Snowden, what, Ed Snowden, interesting, I thought you were like talking about somebody, I was like damn we got the same name. So Edward Snowden uh he was on Rogan, yeah, and asked where, like in, I thought he wasn’t allowed in the US, I think like was he like VPN in, sure, really, he’s just at the Denver Airport underneath the cab, the Cinnabon underneath, yeah. No, Edward Snowden was on Rogan, and he stated um that he had searched through all of the secret information of the US government for evidence about aliens and chemtrails, oh wow, those are the two things he chose, yeah, he didn’t think of anything else. And he said, in case you were wondering, chemtrails are not a thing, I had ridiculous access to the networks of the NSA, the CIA, the military, all of these groups, I couldn’t find anything, wow okay.

I get it, but like, no, here’s my point, it’s like Ed Snowden is, he’s being a little, you know, a little kind of bloated here thinking he had access to all the data in the entire government military, right, there’s a lot of data, it’s like I read one shelf of the library. I’m going to tell you something, cuz like okay so according to, you know, the common man, if you Google it, the highest clearance you can get in the military or the government is, it’s called a TSSCI, which stands for top secret special compartmentalized, uh I forget what the I stands for, but it’s special compartmentalized because that’s what the government does, they compartmentalize the data. So there is not one sole repository for all the information, and I get it, NSA had access to a lot of this data, but you can’t imagine they have access to all of it, every organization has their own servers, their own everything, and even that is compartmentalized, so everything is segregated.

Cuz like everyone, you know, when you’re at that level, they’re all paranoid psychos, they’re all like afraid like you’re going to find out. So the idea of him having access to all the data, like some midlevel NSA analyst, like sorry bro, if you were like a four-star general, sure okay, you know, all right maybe you do have that. Exit Eddie, you got bunked, you got debunked Ed. I’m not saying like I don’t believe, I’m just saying zero, if you look at it just from an analytical standpoint, like the idea of him having all the access is ridiculous, yeah, all right, kudos on that, it makes, I’m not crazy.

Okay so um, so in 2007 a Louisiana television station reported of chemtrails, in the report the air underneath a crosshatch of supposed chemtrails was measured and apparently found contains unsafe levels of barium, what is that, it’s an element. So barium is a chemical element with the symbol BA and atomic number 56, it’s a fifth element in group two and is a soft silvery alkaline earth metal, so it is metal, um because of its high chemical reactivity barium is never found in nature as a free element, oh, so that means you can’t, it’s not a naturally occurring substance, it has to be created, I see. The most common minerals of barium are barite and witherite, so because of its high chemical reactivity barium is never found in nature as a free element, see, so in order to find it you have to actually harvest it from other things because it doesn’t exist by itself, because its chemical reactivity reacts with other becomes a compound, gotcha, yes.

So that’s how, if they find barium that’s poisonous, yeah, and it doesn’t exist alone, so somebody had to place it there, it doesn’t exist. So uh barium is poisonous and uh even at low doses affects the nervous system, cardiac tremors, weakness, anxiety, shortness of breath, um paralysis, so doesn’t feel good. And most people know, like most, not a carcinogenic, but most heavy metals besides like, you know, iron and things like that, are typically poisonous, it’s probably in cigarettes too, 100%, and I can taste it right now, I can taste the barium.

They found unsafe levels of barium, which is pretty much any barium, at 6.8 parts per million, which is three times the US recommended limit, recommended for what, measure like life. Although, and this was kind of a big thing, and that’s why this is being brought up, but um analysis of the footage showed however that the equipment had been misused and the reading exaggerated it by a factor of 100. This is where it’s so easy to like, I’m not saying I don’t know what side’s right, I’m not saying any side’s right, but I’m saying it is so easy for someone to be like no it’s wrong, and people are like oh right, like how do they know the equipment was exaggerated, what footage, like yeah. It’s easy to manipulate any stat, even if they were like no it’s not real, someone could also go on the other end and say the same exact thing and be like oh no they exaggerated it cuz it’s hydrated too low, so either side could just easily be like no you.

Uh in May of 2014 a video went viral, I hate this word also like viral, viral in 2014 is like it’s got 6,000, so it went viral, it went viral as showing a commercial passenger airplane landing on a foggy night which was described as emitting chemtrails. Discovery news pointed out, who the is Discovery news, I have never heard of that, is that the, but also right away you’re saying it was a foggy night so it’s like foggy night, yeah, Discovery news and ESPN. Oh Discovery news, we are an offshoot of the Discovery Channel, yeah, so sorry Discovery news, they’re probably killing, I love you Discovery, Discovery news pointed out that passengers sitting behind the wings could clearly see anything being sprayed which would defeat any intent to be secretive. Oh Discovery news was trying to debunk this, oh I thought Discovery news was like one of the, oh I get it, it’s not like the Discovery Channel, they’re like discovering, oh Discovery news, all right, bad name, that’s a terrifying bad name, they didn’t, new marketing guy really, I’m going to call a new company, it’s called Disney research, the Discovery news, get out of town.

All right um anyway so it was debunked, and so they saw this been released, but like if you’re landing, yeah, why are you out condensation, you know, 700 feet above the ground, like cuz that’s what planes do, they condensate, no but they don’t condensate like contrails, there you go, why, I’m not condensating like right now, what, don’t be condensating, don’t you be condensating, don’t condensate me. So uh another example, in October 2014 uh Chris Bie filmed a video of a plane jettisoning fuel on a flight from Buenos Aires to London which had to dump fuel to lighten its load for an emergency landing in Sao Paulo. The clip went viral on Facebook with three million views, oh that’s pretty good, and more than 52,000 shares, and it was cited as evidence for chemtrails, certified viral, certified, yeah, I hate the word accredited, viral yeah.

But he later, Mr Bie, he later disclosed that the video post was done as a prank, and consequently he was subjected to some abuse, some severe abuse, from conspiracy believers. Anyways so that’s another story of it being debunked. The problem with this whole conspiracy is there’s a bunch of, oh for sure, so much like, there’s a lot of people like obviously in these types of things you want to defer to more of like the scientific thing, like especially with the barium thing, the fact that it’s not like a naturally occurring, yeah it’s always in a compound form and you have to like take it out of a compound form to have it, like that’s legit, we need accredited investors, investors invest us, sorry scientific investigators, yeah.

Um couple other points here, so experts on atmospheric phenomena say the characteristics attributed to chemtrails are simply features of contrails responding to the different conditions in terms of sunlight, temperature, vertical wind, horizontal wind and humidity levels, so that’s something we talked about already but yeah true. In 2016 a survey of 77 atmospheric scientists concluded that only, 77 on Earth, 77 of them concluded that uh they had not encountered evidence of a secret large scale atmospheric program, and that the data cited as evidence could be explained through other factors such as typical contrail formation and poor data sampling instructions presented. Yeah because you would think that like, you know, if the government was actually doing this there’s a reason why it’d be a secret program, yeah, and they would make it so these guys wouldn’t be like oh wow yeah this is a really bad thing happening right now, like everyone would notice it, but like typically when you do something secret it’s a secret, yeah it’s not like there’s like, you know, spies are just shooting random people like at McDonald’s, yeah it’s typically secret.

So out of 77 conclusions how many do you think came out as chemtrails are, uh probably all of them, all, I’m going to 77, or it’s going to be like above 95%, 76, okay it’s going to be above 95%. Could you imagine being the dude, the one dude, you’re at a table with 77 scientists and you’re like nah, it’s like I’m pretty sure that guy just got fired for like one of his students, the next report is like out of 76 scientists, you know what I mean, like no that guy’s out. Yeah so since then the issue periodically comes up in like, you know, the world in the media and stuff like that, but according to Public Policy Polling 5% of Americans still believe in chemtrails, you heard. So you said something interesting, I never heard of anybody talking about this outside of the US, like in the research anywhere else, US only, the US is this up to do this to their people, yeah.

But just so we’re all on the same page, 5% though is 16 million people, that’s a lot of people dude, so 16 million people believe in this, dude that’s not a small number, no, yeah it’d be different if it was like 600 people still believe in, I should have done like compared like how many people believe in Bigfoot, true. So there we are, that’s chemtrails, are you guys in the 5%, you know here’s the thing, go first Sean, I can’t really like definitively be like yes it’s real, but like do I believe it, kind of, I kind of, what would be the purpose, what’s the logical purpose. No, the purpose is because look, I mean obviously mankind’s greatest downfall is also probably one of, like, you know, you can put it as a plus point, but like we just want to control anything and everything as much as we can, and so especially from a military standpoint it’s like, look, controlling the weather is actually like a very good thing.

Imagine being a naval admiral and you’re like sweet, we’re going to tsunami this brigade that’s coming into us, like just cross tomahawks, yeah, like dude, like why would, I’m not going to spend the gas, we’ll just this, just kill them all, I mean yeah. And then it’s like oh it’s the weather, or for a better example of that, like instead of destruction and killing us all, if you controlled the weather couldn’t you kind of, like use it for good, yeah, use it for good, like ease global warming, yeah, they’re not using it for good, that’s a lie. Do you know I mean you go oh our rainforest, military, dude using it, they do control or you use it as another arm of control, right, yeah.

Listen okay, here’s a quick example, all right, imagine that like the government’s like, you know, we’re going to take a little bit more of your liberties away, people are like you this is, and then it’s like okay wow it’s weird there’s like this crazy drought in America, there’s like no water, it hasn’t rained in 6 months, people are dying, people are freaking out, who do they turn to, the government, save us, save us, and then they’re like don’t worry we got you, we have these like all these water reserves, we got you, just come to this, we got you, and then like, you know, you pray to the golden calf and like starts raining the next day and they’re like oh the government, they saved you again. I’m just saying it would be a really good source of control, and because, you know, there’s also theories that, you know, they try to control seismic activity and like things like that, like just various things.

Well like I said there’s a whole another episode where you get into, which is the HAARP program, the HAARP program, yeah, like literally actually using it, you know, weaponizing natural phenomenon. The government’s so up dude, it’s definitely something they, if, put it past them, if they’re not doing it now, they tried to do it, I say with 100% certainty they tried, they may have failed and it didn’t work out, but like they tried. So if you look up now and you see like, you know, an airplane and then there’s like, you know, smoke coming out the back, are you like, it’s like Monsanto, I mean Monsanto’s a whole another, that’s a 27 podcast, no I look at it and I’m like why is it going on for so long, and like I see all the streaks in the sky, I’m like that’s what makes it, like when it’s happening so much I’m like, like should it really be happening at every plane we see.

We see that a lot around here, but we have, miles from here from the Tampa Airport, then you have the Tampa international airport space, and like yeah, so there’s a lot of going on in the skies around us, that’s a good point, and the Coast Guard’s always flying around, that’s a good point. But you know we’ve been crop dusting for a long time dude, for like 90 to 100 years, when we crop dust out, yeah, I mean you know. So Jorge where you at, I think at the end of the day I’m at the 95, not the 5%, yeah just from the research I’ve done I think that it’s just contrails, yeah, it’s not, although Sean always makes good points man. Look so it’s like you were saying, it’s like yeah you can’t put it past them, did they try at some point, yes, are now, I don’t think they’re active now, I would agree that the majority that we see is just regular contrails, and yeah I don’t know, like I was saying like around here I just see it so much, but there’s like several airports around here, so for us around here I don’t believe it.

I mean yeah, I mean maybe in the future, if you want to read, listen to the Dune books on audio book, there’s definitely atmospheric manipulation, yeah the Dune Saga, it’s really good, sorry. Yeah I agree with you guys, I think it’s absolute, I think it’s debunked, I think maybe they did try to do weather manipulation, you know, in the past and they failed miserably at that technology wise, and you know I don’t want to say failed miserably but it was just like this, to the HAARP project, like a waste of money. If it’s anything I do think it’s very easy for them to like be putting out some other sort of chemicals but for a different purpose, yeah, okay, I don’t believe it’s weather, I don’t believe chemtrails are weather related at all, I don’t think there’s a one, that’s trying to like, you think it’s like some population control somehow, that’s what I think, it’s something like whatever.

Like I mean cuz think of it this way, like look how hard, like you know, they pushed on the vaccines, like they’re pushing really hard, like what if they could just like spray it over, spray the vaccine, spray it on my head, you’re like vaccinated, we’ll get all the bald guys first, yeah, go straight to their skin, osmosis, yeah, dad’s, and it’s like for like my morning coffee I’m like what a lovely. All right well I know that the people who do believe in this are very hardcore and they’re really very hard, we’re going to get some hate on this one, but uh there you go, that’s what we got tonight, thanks guys, don’t email me on my personal email about this please, yeah don’t research us privately, like I have a daughter, she’s sweet, she doesn’t want me to die.

You guys got to come back, we’re going to talk about the HAARP project which goes deeper into the whole, oh yeah weather control, later down the line we’re going to hit that. Monsanto up, that’s a, I mean that’s not even really a conspiracy, it’s almost fact, I mean cuz they’re doing some real shady, I know, I know, all right well thanks a bunch guys, hit us up, we’ll talk to you later, peace, bye.