Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. Hello, my friends. What’s up, guys? My name is Eric, and this is Jorge. And this is the guy everyone hates, Sean. Hello.

Welcome back to the show. Hope you guys are doing good. We hope your Tuesday is going well. We are getting ready to do, I mean, so much has happened in the last week with the Epstein files. So that’s what this episode is, going over some of the Epstein files. But before we do, by now everybody already knows who won the Super Bowl. We don’t know. We don’t know yet, but you’ll know by the time you hear this, you will know. Prediction real quick. Seahawks. Seahawks for sure. Yeah, Seahawks 100%. It’s definitely Seahawks.

Anyways, as we do, we’re going to be shouting out some new Patreons. First, I just personally love this. He upgraded to Rich Person, and he specifically asked in his Patreon name, say my last name. So Kyle Havland, big ups to Kyle Havland. I should just say Kyle, say my last name, Havlin, because you’re a legend. And I actually sent a text to Eric as soon as you joined, and I was like, this guy’s a legend. Say my last name. He did a Rich Person for a year. I think so. I have to double check. I think that’s as big as you can go. Kyle, you might be getting a handwritten letter from me for the yearly Rich Person.

So anyways, moving on. We got Blue Collar Bastard. I can say that one without having any reservations. There’s no last name. We got Stephen P. Then we got Tom, just a single name Tom, like Seal or Prince. He did a yearly Founding Crew. In pounds, so I think Tom’s from over the pond. My guy, I love you, brother. Cheerio, mate. Then we got Chris who also did a yearly at the Conspirators level, because you’re a sexy man. You don’t want that cheap stuff. And then we have Tom Payner who did another yearly for the Founding Crew. So Tom, we appreciate you, and I love that you guys are committing to the year. So you’re committing to listen to our madness for another year. Love you guys. And then we got a bunch more to read, but I’m going to save them for the next episode so we don’t take up too much of your time and get right into the juice.

So late last week, a massive trove of long secret documents related to Jeffrey Epstein was made public by the US Department of Justice. This release, over three million pages of emails, photos, FBI reports, court records, and more. It’s the largest disclosure to date on the convicted sex offender. Well, was he convicted? Yes, he was convicted. But the conviction was, like, it was soft. It was a weak ass. That was back in 2008, if I recall. Like the first one. Very weak conviction. It includes hundreds of thousands of images, even video clips seized during investigations. They were all posted to the Department of Justice online, all heavily redacted, for anyone to examine. The sheer volume is overwhelming, and it’s often disorganized and heavily redacted.

We picked some of those out and posted them on our Instagram and TikTok. It’s also, like, how, if I give you an example, if I was arrested, they would have like six emails that were sus. Like, how do you have three million? It’s so much. Oh my god. So brazen. It’s overwhelming. Yeah, it’s overwhelming for sure. Do you think that’s intentional? Yes. We were kind of texting about this, and I think that it’s one of those, like, hide in the confusion, hide it in plain sight kind of thing. It’s like a super bill, when they put a super bill, they’re like, you have three hours to review these 8,000 pages, and you’re like, what?

The other side of it I was thinking of is, especially with Dan Bongino kind of moving on from that role, and Trump going on air saying we should move on. You heard him say we should move on and blah blah blah, multiple times. He’s like, move on, people. Nothing to see here. It almost feels like, we can’t figure this out, screw it. No, but it’s like, here’s everything. It’s the brush off, though. See, that’s what I’m saying. That’s why I think it’s like they’re not willing to risk the right people that need to go down going down. Because they’re propping the system up. And I think it’s like that on purpose. Like if you’re a rich psychopath and you’re doing stuff, you’re going to do stuff that makes you invaluable.

And any other case that doesn’t involve these billionaires, high visible type targets, like any other case would be tons of other people getting arrested. There’s been nobody else. Dude, you’d be getting tased. Like I watch those videos, the petty theft, they’re getting SWAT team swarming in. Like, come on, bro. Well, I hope that the internet sleuths come out. Oh, yeah, that’s what I’m waiting for. And that’s kind of a disclaimer to this episode, which is, this is happening right now, literally. Some of the pages that we’ve put together were today and/or yesterday. And so there’s going to be a lot more even by Tuesday when this comes out, or by next week. So I just want you to keep that in mind when you’re listening. This is all happening right now. It’s not like an old story.

We’ll definitely miss some stuff. But yeah, we were talking about, he could do a whole podcast just on three million, hundreds of hours on this stuff. But we’re trying to pick out, first, what we already know so far up until today. But second, just like the good stuff. And by good stuff you mean bad stuff. Yeah, exactly. One other thing that I just want to touch on is, just because your name is in one of the files does not mean a whole lot of things. Well, no. And I think we brought this up on the original Epstein episode, that the guy purposely spread himself everywhere. He was trying to get in touch with everyone, because then it gives you a level of credibility. And you have the plausible deniability. You’re like, oh, well, if you’re saying I did this, you’re saying everyone who was here did this.

So it is tough. And I think all we will get, unfortunately, is the court of public opinion. Like I don’t think we’re going to get what we really all want, which is heads on a pike. We want to see fire and brimstone, because 99.9% of us are sane humans who think it’s completely, unquestionably the worst possible thing you can do is to violate the purity of a child. Like, come on. So there might be some things in here, if your kids are listening, probably a good point to, you know, we already do the disclaimer at the beginning, but there’s already cussed like 10 times so far. No, but this is worse than that. Yeah, I know.

So some of the high-profile people that were featured in the archive simply because they kept in touch with Epstein even after the 2008 conviction, which itself, we should consider that it’s not okay. If you’re still in touch with a known sexual predator, okay, you’re instantly sus. Now, let’s just put it into perspective. Let’s say it was me. Oh, I would never talk to you again. But would you maybe do like an email? Nothing, reply. I would be doing a public announcement. He fooled me once, coincidence, Eric. It happened once. It’s not a conspiracy like that.

And to that point, we’re close. We’re tight. So, guys, it’d be like a bad habit, right? So some of these guys, you have to go, they must have been tight. Oh, they had to, to stay in touch. Anyway, so as we go through these, kind of keep that in mind too. Like maybe somebody didn’t actually do something inappropriate with a child, but when do you go, when do you disagree? That’s a really good point. If you don’t disagree with his conviction, or especially if you knew maybe something was going on and then you just kind of ignored that, then, when you find some stuff, when you’re like, this isn’t okay. To your point, like if you were arrested, convicted of robbery or something, I’d still be like, yo, bro, you doing okay? You want me to bring you some commissary cash? But if they’re like, oh, Eric got convicted of touching children, I’d be like, I don’t even know Eric. Who? Who the heck is Eric? I’ve never met an Eric in my entire life. I have no idea who he is.

But to Jorge’s point, what if you thought I was innocent? But see, there’s, right, like, I see what you mean. You’re like, oh, homie got a bad rap, I’m the only one to protect. You know what I mean? I don’t know, something like that, trying to understand. No, but it would be different, because you wouldn’t know. You’re like, why are there 14-year-olds at the house? I understand what’s happening. You’re like, no, it’s cool, bro, we’re just having pizza. There would be signs. There would be signs. I would have to be literally blind to not know what was going on, right? So that’s why I don’t think that, you have to know something’s going on. Especially when you don’t get to be ultra rich and powerful by being dumb. It just doesn’t work that way. So the first things that we’re going to take up are the most famous people that are in them. And you might like these people. So, to the people listening, you might like these people and then go, okay, but they’re in the Epstein files. So, like, I don’t know what to tell you. We’re not taking sides. It’s just who’s there.

That’s right. So the first one is Elon Musk. One of the revelations involves Elon Musk, the billionaire tech mogul who previously downplayed any association of his with Epstein. The new documents show that Epstein and Musk corresponded over many years, including multiple attempts to meet up in person. In fact, emails indicate that the two men were in friendly contact around 2012 and 2013 during the holidays, discussing potential visits to Epstein’s private Caribbean island, Little St. James. In November 2012, Epstein emailed Musk to ask, and I quote, how many people will you be bringing to the Heli Island? Offering a helicopter ride to the private island. Musk replied casually, probably just Tula and me. Tula was Musk’s wife at the time. Then Musk inquired, what day will be the wildest party on your island?

Oh god. It appears Epstein’s notorious private island, sometimes called Orgy Island in the media, held an allure even to the owner of Tesla and SpaceX. On Christmas Day 2012, Musk emailed Epstein again from Los Angeles in search of a party, and he said, do you have any parties planned? I’ve been working to the edge of sanity this year. Once my kids head home after Christmas, I really want to hit the party scene in St. Barts or elsewhere and let loose. Adding that a peaceful island experience is the opposite of what I’m looking for. Oh god, peaceful island experience. Again, like what we talked about at the beginning, it doesn’t mean that he’s trying to do anything to kids. These are just circumstantially odd, but the island is known as the orgy island. But orgies don’t necessarily mean that there’s children. Orgies might just be, actually, that is orgies. Yeah, with adults. Consenting, but now we know it’s not. I mean, but Musk didn’t know. Or maybe he didn’t know. I’m saying there’s plausible deniability that he didn’t. He was like, oh, cool. Obviously, the dude is everybody. He’s got 3,000 kids. I mean, Jesus Christ.

So, yeah. When I saw that, I was like, ooh. Yeah, like if you’re a Musk fan, how are you trying to defend that? But we’re going to keep reading, and I also have what Musk said in response, in his defense. And I will quickly say, the only defense of Musk, because he’s notorious for this, is that he despises dumb people. He always was like, oh, you’re dumb, I hate you, blah blah. And I can’t imagine some 15-year-old chick talking to him and him just wanting to jump off a building. I’m just saying that I don’t know how true this perception of him is, his weirdness. Totally. And also these could be fake. What could be fake? The emails. Oh, it could be like the FBI is looking. Completely could be fake. I mean, the emails that he wrote to Bill Gates were to himself as a draft. Wait, what? So, okay, we’ll get into Bill Gates later, but you know the email about him getting an STD? Oh, that was a draft email. It was a draft that he sent to Epstein, from Epstein. So that’s a weird thing. So maybe he’s covering his ass, I don’t know. Maybe he’s checking names. Granted, I don’t like Bill Gates, but that’s interesting. I did not know that.

So anyways, I’m just saying, who knows how hard it is to make up an email. I have 400 draft emails. I’m literally going back to what we were saying at the beginning. This could all be part of the plan of, like, hiding how he spreads himself. That’s right. So I don’t know. And that’s why I say, I think too, if you go back and you remember even Trump had said, you know, it’s just going to make people look bad. Remember? No. Okay. So he just said it’s going to make a lot of people look bad, but doesn’t necessarily mean they’re guilty, and it doesn’t mean there’s a blacklist. That’s true. But he was talking about himself. This is what I want, though. I want the scrutiny on everybody. Like I want it on Trump. I want it on Musk. I want it on everybody. I want the scrutiny. You look into this. If they’re doing it, screw you. If Musk is doing it, he can go off. If Trump’s doing it, he can go off too.

This is what you get for the authorities messing up. Meaning, they messed up and that’s why we’re here. They messed up hard. That’s why we’re here. And the 2008 conviction that he got away with basically. So anyways, going back to this email between Musk and Epstein. So Epstein replied by saying, I will see you on St. Barth. The ratio on my island might make Tula uncomfortable. Oh, all right. Okay. Sounds like Sean’s college party. Oh yeah, that was by design. The ratios were absurd. 20 to 1. Literally, I can’t miss if it’s 25. Musk replied with, ratio is not a problem for Tula. Is Tula like the goth one? I don’t know, I have no idea, I don’t remember. Look that up real quick.

The following year, in late 2013, Epstein tried again to entice Musk to come to the island. He emailed asking if Musk would visit the Caribbean that Christmas, mentioning that filmmaker Woody Allen was with him and that Musk might enjoy the trip. This time, Musk simply replied yes. Cool. And it was just a yes. She’s not the goth one. No. But we have no idea if he went. Okay. There’s no flight, there’s no travel. By September 2014 though, Epstein’s assistant noted on his schedule, Elon Musk to island December 6, quote, is this still happening? And it was kind of just a reminder email. So it’s a maybe, and maybe it just didn’t even materialize.

So these friendly exchanges stand in stark contrast to Musk’s past statements about Epstein. In public, Musk has distanced himself from Epstein, once calling him an obvious creep and saying, he tried repeatedly to get me to visit the island. I declined. Well, he didn’t necessarily decline, and he was asking to party. So he’s trying to cover his ass for sure. Granted, he was a big pusher of saying, release it. So that could be a situation where he’s like, I didn’t do anything, so release it. But he definitely wasn’t like, yeah, he’s pushing me. He’s like, I’m trying to party. So, listen, bro, you were trying to party. Don’t try to hide it.

Musk took to Twitter, and I’m just not going to call it X, okay? Because I just can’t. Twitter, you just sound ancient now. I know, but I just can’t with X. It’s the most stupid. It’s so bad. But I think he probably did it because it’s on brand with SpaceX, so it’s probably just on brand. I like Twitter better. He’s obsessed with X. If you listen to his book, he wanted to name PayPal X too. Oh, so this is like, oh, now I’m rich enough, I can do what the heck I want. But he said that he had very little correspondence with Epstein and declined repeated invitations to go to his island or to fly on his Lolita Express. Well, we don’t have emails of that. He did acknowledge some of these emails do exist and could be misinterpreted and used by detractors to smear my name. In short, Musk admits the emails exist, but he insists he never actually partied with Epstein, and the communications between Epstein and Musk are not proof of any crime whatsoever.

Yeah, it’s not proof, that’s fact. But if I was going to be in a situation where that happened, I’d be like, yeah, I corresponded with the guy, I thought he was just another billionaire. I didn’t realize what was going on. I thought I was just going to go to a cool rager party. But see, when you contradict yourself of what actually happened, it looks bad. Just molding it a little bit differently. And five years earlier, he was convicted, right? Remember when we talked about that, 13 or something. He was convicted for solicitation. Oh, see, that looks way worse. That was our conversation at the beginning. I didn’t know that. That’s bad. That looks super bad. Also, he was convicted for soliciting a minor. So, not trafficking. So he was not in the database. He was for sure, if you’re a sex offender, 100%. But there’s like grades. He did a little interview where he was like, oh, it’s like, I’m a grade one, which is like the lowest grade. I’m like, oh, he’s such a, nothing happened, but he was trying to. He was trying to make it happen.

So if you wanted to go to Musk’s Twitter, this week he posted the following, and I quote, they are trying to deflect responsibility to me from the truly guilty. I have not been to any of Epstein’s parties, his plane, or his island, but many others have. Those who have committed serious crimes need to be prosecuted. If by him he means the media, then he’s not wrong. What we see in the media is definitely a lot of attacks on Trump and Musk, and it just happens to be a lot of the Republicans. But the thing is, it goes both ways too. Well, you don’t see it both ways in the media. I’m saying the media is like a hydra. There’s the left-wing media and there’s the right-wing media, and all they know how to do is attack the other side, and then that creates dissent amongst us. And we talk about this a lot in the Discord, and it gets kind of heated, because we have a debate section in our Discord. And the thing is, most of the time we’re consuming, for the most part, a one-sided biased argument. And it’s depending on where you are. Exactly. And you’re getting it from both sides.

But the point that I made, which I think is true, is that most people believe that what they’re doing is the right thing, and that they’re justified in their actions. And I’m going to take this, because I watched his video, because I love Christoph Waltz. I think he’s unbelievable. So there was an interview that, he’s an actor from Inglourious Basterds and Django, and he’s unbelievable. So he got interviewed. Christoph Waltz did such a good job playing that character, because he wasn’t, he didn’t seem like a bad guy. He was jolly and chipper. Talking about the Nazi hunter. Yeah, when he was a Jew hunter. So they made a good point, that he’s like, I wasn’t, they asked him, how did you do so well at being evil? How did you get into character to be so evil? He’s like, I don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s like, everyone thinks they’re doing the right thing. So he didn’t think he was evil, because he thought he was doing the right thing. That’s exactly what’s happening now. You think you’re doing the right thing, and you think that your cause is the just cause, and everyone does. Everyone thinks their cause is the just cause. So naturally, the other side is the enemy, the other side is the evil side. But everyone thinks they’re on the side of good. So it’s like you’re in a war. You think you’re right, the other side thinks they’re right. That’s what happens.

So sometimes you do know, you know the evilness. Perfect example, this guy knows. He’s evil. That guy there is no side, he’s the worst. Have you seen some of his interviews? No. You should watch him, he’s a bit slimy. It’s hard to watch. Disturbing, especially now knowing all the things. Anyways, so one of the final things that Musk said about it, he says, and I quote, nobody has fought harder for full release of the Epstein files and prosecutions of those who abuse children more than I did, knowing full well that the legacy media, far-left propagandists, and those who are actually guilty would, one, admit nothing, two, deny everything, three, make counter accusations against me. I knew that I would be smeared relentlessly despite never having attended his parties or been on his Lolita Express or set foot on his creepy island or done anything wrong at all. Nonetheless, the extreme pain of being accused of being the opposite of who I am was worth it. The strong must protect those that cannot protect themselves, especially vulnerable children. I will gladly accept any amount of future pain to do more to protect kids and give them a chance to grow up and have happy lives. Elon Musk.

Sounds like some PR company wrote that for him. You think so? I thought it was nice. I think the end is nice for sure. But when you’re that level of person, you have a PR company, unless you’re DT, because that guy doesn’t give a damn sometimes. Jesus Christ. I don’t think he did anything, right? Yeah, I personally don’t think that either. But now that you’ve read the emails, reading those emails, let’s say they’re true, and let’s say he did know, or at least, let’s say he still didn’t go, right? But you still were in communication, and you still planned on it. You still said you wanted a party. Back to what you guys were saying earlier, it doesn’t mean that he planned or knew that there were minors there, that that was the plan. It could have just been like, ah, let me go to a sex party. It’s still sus though. Yeah, for sure. And I agree, there is no definitive proof that he did anything wrong at all or even went, but the fact that it was after he was already convicted. Like, I’m not going to be like, oh, this dude’s a rager. But I will give it to him, because maybe he’s trying to make amends, by saying, you know what, I’m going to be blasted, but still release everything. Because he has been a proponent. He has been pushing it hard, including he knew it was going to come out that these emails came out. Oh, of course he knew. And he’s been blasted before all this. He’s kind of used to the hate now. I mean, God, I had to get used to the hate we get, and we’re nobodies. We’re zero. Well, I can only imagine what he’s getting. It’s all good. He’s going to be the first trillionaire. He ain’t got nothing to worry about.

So then, moving on from Musk. One of the most dramatic consequences of the new Epstein file release didn’t happen in Washington actually. And for our listeners across the pond, you guys will know because this is the major thing happening in the UK because of the files. It happened in London. At the center of it all was Peter Mandelson, and he’s the UK’s ambassador to the United States and one of the most powerful political figures in modern British history. Mandelson had been a key architect of the Labour Party’s rise in the ’90s and 2000s. But the new Epstein documents reopened old questions about his long-standing relationship with Epstein. According to the newly released material, investigators found emails suggesting that Mandelson had shared sensitive government information with Epstein. Oh my god. Big no, no. The files also revealed a friendship that continued even after Epstein’s first conviction, including supportive messages and private communications. Oh my god.

In addition to this, if you Google his name right now, the only images that are in the files are him without pants on. Oh, you’re kidding, bro. You’re done. I’m not even joking. Look him up, and it’s just him in white chonies, in a hotel room, tighty-whities, just vibing. This guy’s done. The political fallout was immediate. British police launched an investigation into alleged misconduct in public office, and searches were then carried out at properties linked to Mandelson. Within days he resigned and stepped down from political life. But the scandal didn’t stop. Prime Minister Starmer, who is the prime minister of the UK, who had appointed Mandelson, suddenly found his own leadership under threat. And the controversy continued to increase, the criticism of Parliament and among the public, with some analysts calling it one of the biggest crises in Britain in years. Why is it always our leaders who are the shadiest? Because they think they’re elite and they can get away with anything. I literally hate that.

And this is happening this week. So for our UK listeners, I know there’s a lot more to this, but this is just a synopsis until we see actually what happens in the UK. So there’s a lot going on. This is like planet-wide effects. Just like an eruption. The corruption eruption. I just pulled up one of the photos that we were talking about. Oh, no. He looks like he’s wearing a jock strap. And the chick’s face is bleeped out. This guy’s done for sure. How do you explain that? I mean, dude, there could be a picture like that with me and my wife, and I would be done. Like it doesn’t even matter. Also, I don’t know who the woman is, because her face is redacted, but she’s in a robe. Like that’s, like, after stuff happened, and the homie just couldn’t even put pants on. Showing her an iPad. Who took that photo? Yeah, who took the photo? That’s a great point. Who the heck took that photo? It’s a good point. Like, I need this blackmail right here, thank you. Oh, hey buddy, I’m just delivering her pizza.

Well, there you go. I know there’s a lot more that our UK friends are probably going through right now with everything, and also how does it tie into the prime minister? Because the prime minister appointed him to be the UK to US ambassador, and then we’re saying that he started catching flack for that too, right? Well, heavy is the head that wears the crown. When you’re in charge, all of your subordinates now reflect on you.

So next we come to Mr. Bill Clinton. Like, do we need to say, I mean, this guy was a piece of work before Epstein. He was a problem. So this one is so weird to me, because there’s conflicting things. Everybody’s seen all the photos. Him in the pool, him with the Jerry Lewis shirt, it’s him everywhere. Like the dude, 50% of the documents are him. One of the reasons Bill Clinton’s name never seems to leave the Epstein story is simple. There’s so much visual and travel evidence tying Epstein and Clinton together. Not to mention his history. It almost feels like, was Clinton like one of the masterminds here? Like I feel like he’s deeply involved, or he’s just a freak boy. Just needing the thing. No, but why does he need it from kids? He could just buy a hooker who’s like 30.

Yeah. But over the years, photographs surfaced showing Clinton and Epstein together at events, on trips, flight logs placing him in different legs of the journey to the island. Those trips, according to Clinton’s representatives, were tied to humanitarian work and foundation business in Africa and Europe. But the newly released Department of Justice files don’t introduce any more shocking evidence. There’s no smoking gun in the new release, but it’s more affirmation of their relationship. And that he was there. And if you’re there more, like, okay, if Stephen Hawking was there one time, I’d be like, okay, he probably didn’t do anything. But if he was there like 50 times, that’s like, your odds, just from a statistical point of view, it’s like, you knew something. You were involved in something. Sorry.

The other side of it, actually somebody sent us a message saying about Hawking, how could he rape somebody? He can’t. So he aided rape. No, they were like, they raped him. Oh my god, that’s so horrible. That’s terrible. But if you think about it, well, no, he’s a paraplegic. No, because also, rape insinuates that there’s an unconsenting party. So if he’s doing something, even if he’s telling them what to do and the other person isn’t necessarily consenting or legally able to consent, so while he may not physically be capable, it’s possible that he was directing. I’m not saying that he did anything, or he was using his stature as being famous. He’s very famous, one of the most brilliant minds. So kind of using your stature. I’m not saying he did anything, but, yeah.

But Clinton, right? We’ve done episodes on the Clinton family and that sort of thing, but really what the new release of the Epstein files shows is that they weren’t just distant acquaintances. No, they were like tight, they were homies. So there’s no smoking gun, but there is, like I said, affirmation that they were tight. Well, there’s no smoking gun, there’s just the holster and the fingerprints on the gun. And the gun may not be smoking, but he’s touched the gun many times. And what about the subpoenas? Oh, yeah, that’s right. So they were subpoenaed to testify in front of Congress, and then they refused. Bill and Hillary. And then people called for them to be held in contempt, of course, because you have to show up for a subpoena. It’s a legal summons. Also, you don’t look very innocent. So now, as of like today or yesterday, they said they are going to appear, but they’ve called for it to be open and public and live. I wonder why that is. And now they’re going at each other on Twitter, like, Hillary’s posting on Twitter like, you want to fight, then let’s have a fight in the open forum. Who’s fighting? Hillary and the quote unquote investigative unit of Congress. So she’s saying, you want to fight, then let’s do it in the public eye, which they have. Well, they’ve had time now to strategize, and I think the strategy is going to be how many times can I mention Trump in this hearing. And let’s not forget, they are both lawyers. That’s a great point. Bill and Hillary are Yale lawyers. They’re not gumbos. I think Bill’s probably lost some of the juice. The whiskey sour and the cigars might have shaved a little bit off the old dome.

I’m going to watch that. Are you going to watch that? Yeah. Well, that’s what they want too. I know, but that’s what I mean. I could be mistaken, but I think it’s February 24th. Oh, really? So it’s coming soon. This is going to be bigger than a Tyson fight. No, but I think it’s bigger than the OJ trial, like the Johnny Depp trial. Dude, I watched that. I pretty much did not work when that was on, I was watching that. That was like a drama series in itself. No, but this feels like political theater. You think so? It’s just, I feel like all these testimonies and stuff are all garbage anyways. Like if you watch all the reels and videos and YouTubes about when they have people testifying in front of Congress, and it’s filmed, and they just still don’t answer the questions. They’re like, answer the question. They don’t answer. And it’s whatever. They can just misdirect, and it’s not like an actual criminal trial where you’d have to plead the fifth, but you can only plead the fifth if you’re implicating yourself in a separate crime. That’s what pleading the fifth means. I think most people have a misunderstanding of what pleading the fifth is. Pleading the fifth is where if you’re going to testify to something that would implicate you in a separate crime, you have the right to not say it, to not implicate yourself.

No, I’m saying they can’t, it doesn’t apply. It’s not a criminal trial. That’s my point. It’s more of a Congress, political theater thing. The thing is, political theater is like, they don’t have to answer, they can ask them a direct question and they can just go off on a different tangent. You can’t be held in contempt of court from the other side. Congress also just asks questions just to frame them in a certain way. 100%. Because once they start talking, they’re like, I reclaim my time or whatever they say. Like, basically, shut up, let me ask you another question. It’s all garbage. This whole thing, it’s all garbage. The Clintons aren’t going to be like, well, yeah, we were doing illegal stuff. It’s all garbage. I do, I’m kind of hoping at least I get to see their faces when they’re asked the questions. Exactly. And I’m hoping whoever does the inquiry is not a little wimp. Well, I remember seeing Bill when he said he did not have sexual relations with that woman. Yeah, true. Looked pretty believable. Did you ever see the Bobby Kennedy, the old, so when he was the attorney general, he would get people up on the stand, mafia guys, and he would just ask them the most direct, insane line of questioning, and I’m hoping it’s of that caliber. I would hope so too. I think we’re all hoping. We’ll see.

But the Clinton organization, they maintain that Bill took only a limited number of trips. Well, define limited. It was only like 30 to 45. They were all tied, the only times he ever went on the plane was tied to foundation work, and he never ever visited the island. That’s garbage. Legit garbage. What? The hot tub was part of the foundation? Strategically though, they must know there’s no evidence. Of course they do. Otherwise, all the evidence they have is circumstantial. Exactly. There’s no hard evidence. There’s obviously no video of him doing heinous acts. But they know, they would have criminally charged or they would have had a grand jury and he would have been. No, but hear it out, if they are pressing so hard on the fact that he’s never visited ever, that means there’s no evidence that exists of him there, or it can just be disputed. And there’s a big thing too about all the cameras and all the footage that Epstein had at all of his properties, not just the island, all of his properties. Where’s that? Exactly. Where’s all that footage? There were cameras everywhere. But clearly that’s not being released to the public, right? Because they destroyed it.

Is this supposed to be the final, this is all the Epstein files that they’re going to be releasing, right? But also, by next week, I mean, it takes so long, whoopsies, we found some more. Well, it’s also like, everything won’t be released to the general public. Yeah, but if it’s redacted, no, I’m saying in a criminal investigation, you can’t release everything. Why not say, we’re, because they’re not going to do anything. They’re not going to do anything. That’s like, I’m out. I can’t even say his name right now. No, it’s because they’re not going to do anything. We all knew it. I knew it from the jump. They’re not going to do anything. Infuriating, because guess what, it’s the US government. Don’t you think it’s untrustworthy? Don’t you think anything we post about Epstein explodes? We want justice on our socials. But, don’t you think maybe the people’s uproar will cause it to be different? No, because guess what’ll happen, guess what they’ll do. It’s already been public. No, but it’ll never get to the point where it’s like a powder keg where it’s going to explode and it’s like, oh, we’re going to revolt unless you do something. Because who’s going to go on the street of Tampa going, Epstein? Like that’s just too vague. Do you know how easy it is to be like, oh, okay. They’re going to, oh, the people are going to come take our power from us, because we actually serve them, because we’re civil servants, the definition of your job. Oh, there’s a, the economy collapses, or we have a huge stock market dip and everyone loses all their money. Or it’s, oh, I’m freaked out, Iran got nuclear capability again. Or it’s this, or it’s X, or it’s Y, or it’s Z. And that’s why they keep us against each other, because if 50% of the populace is against this other 50%, they’re too busy fighting each other to really address the real problem, which is all of them. They’re all the problem.

Well, the next one is our president of the United States, Mr. Donald Trump. Few names in Epstein’s orbit ignite as much controversy as Donald Trump. The president’s social connections with Epstein go back into the 80s and the ’90s. Epstein frequented the Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida, and the two were photographed at many parties. Trump has long claimed that he cut ties with Epstein in the early 2000s, allegedly after Epstein made an advance on one of the employees, leading to what he had said was a falling out in 2004. The newly released files largely support his claim that he distanced himself, because there’s not a lot after that time. Unlike on the Elon thing, where it’s like 2013. Yes, that’s right. Oh, after he’s been convicted. That’s right.

But what’s absolutely crazy in all of this is how much Trump’s name is in all of these newly released files. And it’s also in different contexts too. It’s in a variety of different ways. It could be an FBI memo, it could be, he sent an email referring to him and that’s his name being said. So he had nothing to do with that. Well, there’s another thing that’s interesting about the files. It’s not just only Epstein’s emails. It’s like, oh, we had someone call in and give us some sort of testimony, and they said this, and it’s like Trump’s involved. So it is interesting that there’s all these different aspects. It’s not just one shade of it, right? So it’s estimated that his name is mentioned 38,000 times in the documents. It’s such an obnoxious amount of times. Wow. Again, it’s not necessarily him going back and forth with Epstein, it’s just that it was mentioned. Mentioned, exactly.

But also, it does kind of go back to, do you remember when Musk and Trump had their blowup? And then Musk tweeted, the reason they’re not released is because you’re in the Epstein files. And then he deleted that tweet. So it kind of makes sense if Musk only had a broadstroke understanding of the whole files. Well, his name’s 38,000 times. But also, how would Musk even, okay, at one point in time they were acquaintances, at least maybe homies. And then, you know, obviously Trump’s an abrasive guy. Like, homie pisses me off sometimes. They both are. That’s the thing, they’re almost one and the same personality. If you’re a billionaire, you’re probably an ass. Let’s be real.

Okay, and then I’m going to read a couple of the emails that were released, and you guys tell me what you think of these emails. One newly revealed email dated September 28th, 2012, suggests somebody in Epstein’s circle floated this idea in an email. And the reason why we say somebody is because it was redacted. God, these redactions. And I quote, it says, what does J, Jeffrey, obviously, think of going to Mar-a-Lago after Christmas instead of his island? And this is when, in 2012? 2012, in September. In this message, with the sender and recipient both redacted, the email implies that as of late 2012, years after his conviction, there was consideration of Epstein spending the holidays at Trump’s venue instead of his. Wasn’t he banned? Maybe it was like, yeah, that’s what I thought. That’s all the data we know. The shadow. There was no even reply. But who was, oh, we don’t even know who it was. It could have literally been like two JFs. Yeah, it could have been to himself. Like to AOL support.

Trump, for his part, has denied any renewed friendship during that time. And indeed there is no actual evidence that shows he was publicly with Epstein at any point past the mid 2000s. I was going to say, what about that photo? Yeah, we’ve 100% got photos. That’s definitely 80s, 90s. You look young, you look fresh. Does corroborate, you know, the lack of any other Trump things past that time. Yeah, it’s true. I think that’s the one saving grace, that there’s not anything after a certain point. Whereas the Elon, it’s just the court of public opinion, that’s all we got. After 2008, you know what he was doing. So, another document that came out in the Epstein files is a 2009 deposition from one of Epstein’s former employees. His name was Juan Alessi, and he was Epstein’s longtime house manager. He testified under oath that Trump never stayed overnight at Epstein’s house and never received a massage there. They asked him specifically, did he get a massage? Like, not did he do underage stuff, it was, did he get a massage? Hard questions. Unless he did recall Trump coming over for dinner occasionally, pre-2009. And this is in Palm Beach. But notably, Trump would dine in the kitchen with the staff rather than at Epstein’s table. Interesting. That’s bizarre. How the heck would he do that? Man of the people.

One anecdote from Alessi. He described driving Epstein’s close associate Ghislaine Maxwell to Mar-a-Lago, where Maxwell then approached an underage girl at the club spa, in an encounter that eventually led Maxwell into recruiting that girl into Epstein’s abuse. The girl was Virginia Giuffre. And you remember Virginia, she was like the main one, and then she killed herself, quote unquote. Yeah. But Trump’s role in that story, even though, she did tweet, I would never do this, I would not do this. Literally. But the part of Trump is that he merely was the owner of the club. Well, I mean, right. And it’s also, you know how much money it costs to be a member at Mar-a-Lago? If I was paying, whatever, that’s like a million, two million, some crazy amount, if I’m worrying about my kid getting recruited, like, bro, what’s going on? Like, what the heck? And then if that were the case, who would you start targeting or pointing the finger at? Well, I wouldn’t know. I mean, obviously I would bring it up to ownership for sure, but, which is Trump. No, but it’s the same thing. Well, the general manager, it wouldn’t necessarily be. No, I’ll put it to you this way. When you go to the Marriott and something bad happens at the Marriott, you don’t go to the CEO of Marriott. I’ll give you a perfect example. This is actually the most relevant example possible. This is the best example ever, because it’s the exact scenario. The Catholic Church. When all that was going down with these priests, does that mean inherently the Pope is responsible, right? Oh, well, he was part of your church, you were in on it. No, that doesn’t mean that. True. Is it unforgivable? Yes. Did the church try to cover it up? Yes. And that is a big, that’s messed up. And did that church and religion take a hit in general? Yeah, dude, they got, it was a nightmare. But do I inherently think the Catholic Church is evil and into hurting kids? No, I don’t. No, but there’s still that PR aspect. From a PR aspect, it’s a nightmare. But that’s why it’s such a good example, because it’s the same thing. How do you assess blame? It’s just so difficult. And this is not me protecting Trump, I’m just saying, it’s a realistic situation you have to figure out, how do you figure out who’s wrong? It’s so hard. Like, it’s their fault, because they own it. Maxwell’s wrong. Ghislaine is wrong. She’s the worst. And Epstein.

So that testimony kind of provided backup to what Trump has been saying, which is that he did peace out, however you want to say it, he wrote him off after 2008. True. But also, to play devil’s advocate, who is this guy, Juan? He was the house manager. Oh, he was the house manager. I thought he was like a house minion. Like a random servant. Totally. And it’s possible that that also was, who knows, I don’t know. We got to look at both sides, conspiracy. But in theory, he’s there every day, he sees everything that’s happening. I get it, I thought he was just a random house guy, I didn’t know he was important at all. Looks like a dude.

That hasn’t stopped the rumor mill from churning, though. The Department of Justice was careful to point out that, amid the hundreds of thousands of references to Trump in the documents, some are outright false or fantastical. In fact, the release includes everything in the FBI’s Epstein files. So this is tips, call-ins. Oh yeah, that’s what I was saying. It’s not just what was in Epstein’s closet, or on his phone, it’s everything. It’s all everything, right. Well, there was even one thing I saw that was talking about something that happened at one of Trump’s other country clubs. And this is just a point, I’m not saying, oh, all the stuff’s a lie, it could very well be true. But this one particular thing, they were like, oh, it happened at this one country club, but the dates that they gave were two years before that country club existed. So I was like, oh, okay, because I was reading I was like, oh my god, what the heck is happening, he’s doing this stuff, and there was, that country club literally did not exist when this was said. So I’m saying, it’s everything. Yeah. Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, who was overseeing the release, confirmed on national TV that after reviewing everything, and I quote, there was nothing in there that allowed us to prosecute anybody. Great. On, what did I say? No one’s, nothing’s happened. No justice. To review the play, there’s no flag on the field. That’s what it sounded like you were going to say. So this, picked the flag up. There’s no penalty. This is the part that I get a little mad about. A little? Well, I mean, it’s kind of like, sure, I get it, that they did not succeed in finding evidence that was prosecutable. But isn’t there enough circumstantial that you need just somebody to go investigate? Yes. And be a dog, and find it. And I think that’s what is making everybody mad, that there’s so much circumstantial evidence, that how could there not be something there? There’s got to be something there.

Yes. And our current administration, or whoever’s in charge with it, and I know how mad Dan Bongino is about, like, who cares, move on, we don’t do anything. I get it. Okay, cool. Well, we have jobs, buddy. This is your only job. I hate that. I got bummed out by that. Yeah, the, I’m back episode. I don’t know what to say. I understand what you’re saying, but at the same time, what do you mean? That’s your job. We have jobs, we don’t do that, that’s not our thing. Anyways, he was trying to hide behind the volume of stressful other situations he’s had. Everything’s a level 10. Why do you get a job? Also, what did you campaign on for years? Yeah. If you campaign on lowering taxes and you don’t lower taxes, you just didn’t succeed. I got it, there’s opposition, I understand, and it’s probably harder than I even imagined. Well, this is what we call a business lie. Yeah. But also then, don’t get on the airwaves and lie to a million people. I didn’t like it, sorry. I just don’t like, I didn’t like it. I mean, I was hyped up. I was like, okay, maybe something will actually happen. And then after the whole shenanigans with the influencers, and they had the binders, I was like, I know, that was when I was like, yep, this is so cringey. This is so messed up. That was so cringey. And I knew it. And people hold out hope, and like, no, they’re building cases, they’re building cases. I’m like, they’re not doing anything. And it’s sad. I lost faith. I was like, nothing’s happened. And, you know, the biggest bummer is that it seems like everybody now in the administration who’s still there, not Bongino, but the other guys, is like, move on. Let’s move on. Just move on, Sean. Like, worry about the economy or worry about your tariffs. Move on. And it’s like, screw you guys. You know what I say to that? Screw you. Go watch the movie A Time to Kill, that’s how I feel about that. I’m Samuel Jackson in the closet with the AR. Like, okay, well, move on, I’ll move on, I’ll show you how I move on. How about this? Go sit with the person who was raped. Yeah. Or their families. Look them in the eye and tell them move on. Because, you know what, our economy is strong. It’s such a slap in the face. I hate it. It’s such a slap in the face. And honestly, if humanity could agree on one thing, it would be protect the kids. I know. If everyone could unilaterally be like, you know what, maybe we should protect the youth of the world, maybe that would be something we could all be like, yeah, let’s do that. And it’s, move on, screw you.

I get a little bit of why Musk moved on from the Doge thing, and I actually get why Bongino has moved on too, because they couldn’t get anything done, and they got so frustrated they couldn’t get anything, there’s no results, and so they got more frustrated and they decided that what they were doing was more beneficial than what they were doing inside the government. Yeah, you can actually affect more change outside. Even his podcast is more effective than when he was behind Patel. Well, I mean, if you really think about it, the Pentagon hasn’t passed an audit in the last eight audits. Clearly, the US government is not effective at solving problems. And then, another thing I’m mad about, I’m on a roll, dude. Let them have it. Is then people go, oh yeah, conspiracy theorists are the problem. Oh, screw you guys. If anything, we’ve learned that all of these things are coming true. All the things that we were conspiracizing about. So stop turning that word into a derogatory term, and instead be like, hey, maybe we should hold people accountable for their actions. It’s embarrassing. That’s what it is, is embarrassing. Have some sort of moral fiber of doing the right thing. This is why it’s really good that there’s no superpowers. I would be a vigilante. There’d be people splatters all over the place. Be bad.

Okay. So, in regards to Trump, the files do spotlight Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon was Trump’s former chief strategist, who had a very strange relationship with Epstein. Among the newly public items is a nearly two-hour interview that Bannon conducted with Epstein. It is something that I would recommend watching. You watched the whole thing? I watched about 40, 45 minutes of it. And it’s actually kind of difficult to find the full two hours from start to finish. It’s usually just clips. But Bannon is asking the really rough questions. Oh yeah, he is. He’s like, you’re a pedophile, you’re convicted, you’re a convicted sex offender, right? He’s like, you’re like the highest degree of sex work, aren’t you? I didn’t watch this. So how’s he acting, what did he say? Epstein is very terrifying. It’s like super sociopath. He’s jovial and, he smiles about it. He laughs about it, and he’s kind of like a little smirk. It’s disgusting. And he’s like, yeah, it was a low grade one, no big deal, but, you know, let’s talk about, and then he kind of tries to do the old weaveroo.

The strangest thing that I got out of the interview was he said that Clinton was the major cause of the 2008 financial crisis. He said Clinton was the cause. And I found that strange, because I thought he was his tight homie. Clinton. Right, with all the, he’s got a painting of him. So maybe there was a falling out. But it’s such a random communication, like, you’re a pedophile, right, you know that Clinton was, like, the cause of the financial crisis. Also, wasn’t that, like, Bear Stearns and all these things, they were pretty much giving out loans to crackheads for million-dollar homes, and obviously you’re on a tightrope on this financial crisis and the writing was on the wall. I’ve watched many movies. There’s a movie called Margin Call that’s really good. And there’s also The Big Short, fantastic. But it gives a pretty good picture of what they were doing and how they were packaging these loans. And it was eventually going to fail. And strangely enough, Clinton was the last president to balance the deficit. Exactly. So it was one of the first years where we actually made money. It was in the late 90s. Anyways, I don’t know how it all, some people say though that the interview was an attempt to rehabilitate his image. Oh, it was like a PR thing. So it was like, he was like, okay, ask me the hard questions and then I have the answers for those. And I’m going to justify them and I’m going to make it so everybody understands like everything is fine. You know what I mean? I can see that. But it was a planned presser.

And just so everybody knows, we’re not going to touch a lot on the Pizzagate stuff. But we are putting together an episode on that. And as part of that, we’ll watch the full Bannon video. And we’ll plug that in a little bit. I got to get caught up with that. And we got a bunch of emails that we can look into, right? It’ll probably be like an hour of just reading the emails. It’s also worth noting though that Trump himself, as president, signed the very law that forced the records to be opened. So in November of 2025, Congress passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which Trump signed, giving the Department of Justice a 30-day deadline to disclose all Epstein related files. So that deadline then was pushed a little bit, and then that’s where we are today. Classic FBI stuff, government’s going to shut down, you got a 30-day extension. But so that’s just a point to be made, which is that he signed off on it, and that’s why we have what we have today. So without that, we wouldn’t be talking about it. Yeah. So obviously also, if there was something that he knew was incriminating, he wouldn’t have signed off on it. Or would you? If you knew that there was something incriminating about yourself. He’s already elected. But you can still get impeached. And that’s a stain on the old reputation there. And anything to do with minors, there’s no statute. Oh, no, there’s no limitations. So it could be 30 years ago, doesn’t matter. There’s no reprieve.

All right. And then the last segment that we’re going to do on this episode is just the strangeness of his email writing. Dude, God, this guy. He’s a strange emailer. There’s one other guy, I don’t know if you guys heard of, the doctor. Oh yes, you kept sending us the nasty stuff. So he’s a pretty well-known, respected, I think he’s like a functional doctor or something like that. He’s selling like the nose seed oil stuff. He’s very in that crowd. And then he’s married, he’s got kids, he’s got girls, but there’s a bunch of emails with him back and forth with Epstein. And he’s like a, oh, your besties, like weird exclamation mark, multiple exclamation marks. I mean, there’s obviously so many, but one of the runier emails out there is from him where he’s talking about, oh yeah, yes indeed, like, fruit is low carb or some stuff like that. Like it’s just like, god. So he was another one. God, barf. Oh dude, I’m blushing. I mean, Jesus Christ. He’s not denying it. He cannot walk this back. There’s no getting out of this. I’m like, sweetheart, I’m on the Atkins diet, I got to do what I got to do. Is that true? Is that what it said? That’s what it said. Dude, he’s in a bunch of stuff. And there’s another one where he’s like, I can’t wait to go back to party with you or some stuff like that. He was like, yeah, like I had such an amazing time. And then there’s a whole bunch of other emails where he’s trying to hook up with him every time he gets to New York. He was a dangler. He was dangling. So he of course had to step down, and he even put out a whole apology video. What the heck are you going to say? He’s like, oh, unfortunately, this came to light, blah blah. Yeah, screw you, now you’re sorry. It’s just so funny. Everyone’s always sorry when they’re caught.

Are you in a group chat anywhere where you would be embarrassed if the chat came to light? Oh, 100%. You mean like our Instagram DMs? Oh dude, I’m in like seven. There wouldn’t be charges, but they’d be like, Sean’s racist. Exactly. There’s something that I’m racist or something. I would not be portrayed in a great light. If my, especially out of context. It’s so out of context. Even in context, I’m a, what if one of your homies decides to just, no, no, this rat. No, here’s actually an example. I mean, not saying it’s impossible, but there’s a possibility. If the show blew up extremely large, like top five podcasts on planet Earth, I’d probably have to delete. Do you know what I mean? And then all of a sudden every person in this podcast, Jorge is scrutinized, Eric’s scrutinized, you’re scrutinized. The thing is, snapshots, some screenshot of you saying something that’s, I’ve never done any criminal activities or even talked about doing criminal activities. It’s more like probably a bad joke, just bad jokes, like I’m a, people would be like, god, this guy’s a dick. It wouldn’t be like, you could release everything on my phone, and there would be no criminal action. It would just be bad PR. There would be no like, oh, he’s going to go to jail. It’d just be like, god, this guy sucks. Yeah. If anybody’s tanking our podcast, it’s Sean. Yeah. Probably. My mom would not be happy. Fruit is indeed low carb. My god. Oh my god.

And so with the doctor, Dr. Peter Attia, in another email, Attia gushed that he goes into withdrawals if he doesn’t see Epstein, hinting at how intoxicated he was with the world. Oh my god, this guy sucks. I know. One of the most bizarre parts of the Epstein emails is his habitual use of a single word, the word whoops. Oh, whoops. Why are you, who’s ever emailed whoops? Whoopsies. So the word whoops is displayed in 400 different emails. How many whoopsies are you making? And it’s often in response to dark or alarming news. In one exchange with a redacted associate, the associate literally gives Epstein permission to kill someone who had lied to them both. Epstein simply replies, whoops. That must be a code word. Maybe whoops is like a code word. Green light. Yeah, it’s exactly like activate. Additionally, he heard of a rape of a young woman and his reply was, whoops. What? Man, that’s not very surprising from him, I guess. But how tone-deaf is that? Like, oh, she was, whoops. In 2012, when Mary Kennedy, which is the previous wife of RFK Jr., when she had been found dead from suicide, Epstein answered the email, whoops. Okay, this has got to be some Manchurian candidate activate word. Whoops. Isn’t that weird? That’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever heard. Oh god. Maybe it’s some sort of acronym, like whoops means something else, or he’s just shallow, or he’s just a psycho, right? Actual psychopath. No empathy. He’s a psycho. He’s the type of dude who tortures animals. Like, I want to see what they look like on the inside. Whoops. Whoopsies, just killed this raccoon. Whoops.

In May 2016, Epstein received an email from a woman named Margarita with an unusual proposition, and I quote, do you still need a fake wife? She went on to say she’d found a Russian woman who was Jewish and trustworthy and looking for a job, presumably suggesting this woman could pose as Epstein’s wife if needed. It reads kind of like a spy novel, but it’s in his inbox. I mean, there’s the whole thing about Epstein being linked with Mossad and being some sort of asset. I mean, granted, if you really think about it, we talked about the British dude, what the heck is his name? Mandelson. Mandelson is leaking intel on the British government to him. Like, obviously he’s hooked up with the ex-presidents. He’s probably getting elite level intel. And he’s got elite level dirt on them. They got to keep feeding it, or that gets exposed. It makes it check out. It actually checks out. Also, we did, I think we did four episodes on Epstein. I think it was three. Three episodes. But if you go back, we talked about Maxwell and her dad’s connection to the Mossad, that whole thing. And then there was even the thing, and you posted one and I felt like such an idiot, because I kept calling him Lex Wexner. It’s Les Wexner. I know, and I heard it and I’m like, god, I’m so dumb. Why do people hate me so much? Like, this makes total sense, I actually understand. It’s all coming together. I deserve it. I literally heard it, I’m like, ah, this is why people hate me.

Longtime Epstein associate Peggy Siegal, a New York socialite and publicist, has already faced backlash for cozying up to him, but some of her emails in this batch are so bizarre they bear mention. In one 2009 note about her upcoming trip to Kenya, Siegal says that she could bring a little baby back for you. Oh my god. And then she asked, boys or girls? No. This is so upsetting. And then she also said, so Madonna. What the heck does that mean? So that reference was, Madonna is famous for adopting children in Africa. Oh, okay. So it’s kind of like, so you want like a Madonna move, I guess. I don’t, I’m trying to understand. In another email, Siegal boasts about plans to take fake anthropological photos in Africa in mud huts, and pretend she crashed the winter White House by posing with President Obama’s relatives. So you get the racial connotation now. Well, no, also, she’s saying it’s a racist joke. Saying, I’m with the Obamas’ relatives in Africa in the huts. You see what I mean? Classless. That’s like level one compared to our chats. Oh yeah, 100%, people would be like, Sean is a criminal, like, not doing criminal activity, just criminal communication.

Among Epstein’s international connections was Sultan bin Sulayem, a billionaire from the UAE. In a charming 2013 email, the Sultan said to Epstein, the Moldavian is not as attractive as the picture, luckily the Ukrainian is very beautiful. This exchange, included in the files, is a crude reminder of how Epstein circles often talked about women as commodities. And this is with a sultan. I mean, how far-reaching his tentacles are. I mean, how do you even get a message into a sultan? Hey, brother, like, how do I meet a sultan? I’m trying to find out how. Hotmail. I don’t know. You know what, Sultanate at hotmail. Oh, Jesus. What’s crazy too is that people came to him for advice on world affairs and finance, some messages. The homie never graduated college, somehow was a teacher. And even science. The day after Donald Trump won the 2016 election, one acquaintance wrote to Epstein, and quote, dear Jeffrey, you are so intelligent and powerful of a man. Please tell me what’s going on and what’s going to happen with Europe and Eastern Europe. Oh my god, this is so sick. You’re so intelligent and powerful, please help me. His reply was, it’s okay. What? I thought he was going to reply with, whoops. Yeah, that’s going to be like a little whoopsie.

Extremely renowned scientists from Harvard and Yale, Martin Nowak and David Gershon, engaged Epstein in emails in a discussion about time travel. I’m literally convinced Epstein is just a dude with no redeeming qualities or genius or anything, and people just believe what he said for some reason. Epstein sometimes would reply with bizarre physics, saying, quote, new experiments allow time travel to the past, but he complained that time as a concept is not a satisfying concept to Jews. To Jews. What does that even mean? I don’t even understand. It’s almost like he wanted to be a deep thinker, and wanted, but he just couldn’t. Yes. What does that even mean? It’s like me saying, you’re like, oh, Sean, what about wormholes? I’m like, yeah, wormholes are crazy, but black people love chicken. And I’m like, what? I don’t understand, what are you talking about? Doesn’t even make any sense.

And then there’s some that are a little rough, and so just a heads up, right? In an August 2009 email, Epstein chastised one of his female masseuses for not paying him enough attention, and I quote, it would be nice if when I asked you to rub my head or my feet, you actually did it for more than 10 minutes without thinking about something else. She replied saying, I thought I did, sorry, my new boobs must have distracted me. My new boobs must, what the heck? It sounds like a sitcom. In another email, Epstein seems to reference violent pornography. He inquires to a woman that’s redacted, quote, where are you? Are you okay? I loved the torture video. Oh, barf. Damn. I loved the torture, anyone who would ever say that should deserve to die. I’m sorry. You love the torture video, you got to go. You’re a dunce. Another graphic example was from 2015, and it involves a young woman who emailed Epstein apologizing for being inexperienced in sex. The woman, whose identity was redacted, wrote, and I quote, as you know, I am a virgin, so I know nothing about sexual life. You are attractive for me and that’s why I told you. Why not? smiley face. Epstein’s response was blunt. He said, take a selfie of your, and send. Jesus Christ. Wow. I told you I was a virgin. Take a selfie. Take some of your low carb fruit right now. Jesus Christ. It’s so intense. I know. I don’t think I’ve ever said anything remotely that foreign to anyone, you know, my wife. And the upsetting part about the last one is, we don’t know if she was underage. Oh, I know, god damn it. But she’s a virgin. So odds are that, it’s giving you trafficking. Yeah, giving his, and it’s almost like she’s like perpetuating. Like, I’m sorry. It’s crazy. Well, I mean, look at all these people, they’re all sick offenders. It’s like that one, you’re so smart and strong and amazing and perfect, oh, okay, there you go.

I mean, we’re going to do a lot more on this, because obviously this is one of the major stories that’s going on, because we got three million files to go through. Jesus Christ. And every week is going to be a new revelation for the next year. Also, one that we didn’t go over, and we’re going to go over it later on, I know we’re going to get hate for this, is the Bill Gates one. We did touch on it a little bit, but the actual email of him saying that, basically, and his ex-wife pretty much like, interview. But the fact is, there’s just so much content that we have to organize it in a way that is palatable to the community. Exactly. So there you go. I mean, that’s the episode, but, I don’t know, what do you make of this so far? Has this changed anything for you? Has this made you just, matter, or, give me like a conclusion. Yeah, definitely matter. You know, this is stirring up so much of the same stuff, but, like, more. Dude, what I feel like honestly, I feel like we’ll look back on this, and this will really be like a turning point in the distrust and the understanding of how messed up our political system is. And I mean this, especially if they don’t do anything. Well, they’re not doing anything. They haven’t done anything. What have they done? They haven’t done enough, pitchforks come out. No, dude. Nothing is going to. And see, that’s my point, this is going to be like where people finally realize, they don’t give a damn. They don’t actually care. Like, all they care about is maintaining the same status, power paradigm that they have. Like, oh, okay, we’re literally the lifeblood of their organization, and they’re sucking the life out of us, and they need to keep it that way, because otherwise you can’t do all your sketchy stuff. It’s very apparent that this goes so high and so many key people are involved that there will be no justice. We’ll get no justice, and all we have is the court of public opinion. And I’m happy that at least something got released so that people can be like, screw these people. And everyone involved, screw everybody. Oh, cool, whatever, you didn’t do anything bad, doesn’t matter, screw you. Like, you are the company you keep. And I hope it gets to the point where we can actually have public servants who really give a damn about their constituents and about the people they serve. I think that’s the dream. And I think that’s what it used to be, and it was great for a time. And now it’s just like, we’ve got big guns and you can’t do anything. You can’t mess with us. But it’s like, what about us? Like, are you kidding me? We pay trillions of dollars a year in taxes to get screwed by our government. No. Oh, I’m so sick of it. I’m so done. I don’t have a better solution. It’s not like I’m saying I have some master plan, and I don’t. But it just sucks. I’m so sick of it. But you just need people with moral fiber in this situation of making the decision. People with a conscience. How can you consciously take money from a donor and do what they say, and you know it’s not in the best interest of the people that you serve, but you do it because, well, I can’t get elected with other money, so I guess I’ll just do what they say. Or you kick it down the road, meaning, for example, our deficit. It’s a never-ending, it’s infinity, it’s your daughter’s problem. Yep, 100%. Like, imagine if your finances were the US government, and you just rack up, you were just never-ending spending more than you’re making. Dude, it’s literally, I might as well balance the US government’s checkbook, I’m not doing a much better job.

That’s right. Well, I hope there’s more that comes out. I think it was just, they’re trying to get closure by releasing everything, they say this is the final, this is everything. And then they’re like, move on. It’s like, this is the closure. But there is no closure, and everybody’s still pissed. Everybody wants justice, and we’re not getting it. So I don’t think it’s going away. There’s actually a website that came out, by the way, if you guys want to check it out. I think it’s Jmail dot world or something like this, where somebody recreated a Gmail of all these Epstein emails, and so you can go through it and look at it all the time. You can search on email. It’s actually kind of interesting. But, you know, I just think that we’re not getting any justice. I think Sean brought it up earlier, but I think it’s probably the best point, which is, we know this for a fact, there were over a hundred cameras. There were so many cameras everywhere, and magically there’s just no footage. We don’t see anything, we don’t have any of this footage. Right. So there’s maybe a couple images or videos from his phone of him dancing around, jumping in a pool, being all creepy and all that, but where’s the video footage? Where’s the evidence from the house cameras? From the house cameras, the island cameras, his New York house cameras, his Palm Beach house cameras. Like, there’s cameras everywhere. I think everybody feels he’s not the only one that trafficked and took advantage of and abused, especially underage girls. But where is everybody else in this? He’s the only one that’s ever gotten anything. Right.

And I truly believe that he was in cahoots with Mossad, because people don’t realize, and there’s a reason, the real reason why America is jerking Israel off so hard, is because they have the single best intelligence agency on earth. They have the ability, and there’s a really cool dude, he’s been on Shawn Ryan a couple times, and he talks about, the Israeli Mossad have it, it’s called Pegasus. So they can literally gain access to your phone, where most of the times when hackers or whatever need to gain access to your phone, you have to prompt it somehow. Like you open a text message or you open an email, you click a link, anything like that, you have to have some sort of human interaction. Pegasus does not need interaction. It doesn’t need you to unlock your phone, it doesn’t need you to do anything. They’re just in your phone, and they can access your camera, full access, microphone, everything, the GPS, like literally full access to all of your stuff. And that’s the only thing that makes sense, because, look, I have no problem, I’ve been to Israel, it’s a beautiful country, the people are amazing, it’s unbelievable. I’m talking about from a government perspective, because you can say that about pretty much any government, US, Mexico, everybody’s the same. All governments are the same. It’s nothing to do with the people, the people are great. But there’s no reason why we should be this perpetual to a government. Israel doesn’t have any sort of special, it’s not like they have all the lithium mines on earth, like they don’t have a specific point of value that they’re providing anybody, because the country is so small. You can drive across Israel in three hours, I’ve done it, I’ve driven across the country. It’s tiny. So like, why? And I think that’s their secret sauce, like, we have everything, we know everything, we have all your dirty secrets, we have it all. So you have to be sorry. So I think there is an aspect that he was probably in cahoots with these intelligence agencies, who are notoriously, all the intelligence agencies are the worst. So I think there’s something there for sure.

Okay. Well, one of our next episodes coming up is Pizzagate Expanded. Yeah, and with the new, expanded. I like that. Expanded pizza. Yeah, because a lot more has come out about Pizzagate, and so that’s going to be an episode coming up. There are 900 references to pizza in the emails. Yeah. And when you’re worth hundreds of millions of dollars now, you’re eating pizza every Tuesday. How many people are eating that much pizza? Nobody. I don’t, I’m poor, I don’t even, you know, I love pizza, but, I’m not texting the homies, pizza. I’ve never sent arrogant emails saying, you got to have the pizza, brother, you got to try the pizza. But I do maintain that I think the videos, I don’t think everything’s been released until the videos are released. They’ll never get released. All the videos are not released. Oh, you’re talking about like the home cameras. Yeah, they’ll never get released. I think that’s, if somebody was like, is everything released? Yeah, they’ll never get released. Why not? They were, somebody went in, somebody went and nuked them all. Nuked them. Oh, for sure, 100%. So it’s not like they’re holding back. No, they don’t exist. Same reason why they deleted the files on the moon landing. Oh, we don’t need this anymore. I’m just hoping there’s somebody though that has like some house maid or somebody that has some file still, like something. No one has anything. I hope so. It’s unfortunate they don’t.

But to wrap this up, so there will be more. Reporters are still digging through the three million pages of material. New names may yet emerge from the redactions, because I think eventually that will be the next step. Yes, unredacting it. Unredacting everything. One takeaway is clear though, Jeffrey Epstein did not operate in a vacuum. Meaning, he was embedded in elite circles, and many in those circles either looked the other way, or enjoyed the perks. They enjoyed the perks. Yeah, for sure. And as more findings surface, society will have to wrestle with these questions about complicity, accountability, and how somebody like Epstein was able to flourish for so long. Dude, it’s just, I’m sick of talking about it anymore. So that’s the episode. We’ll catch you guys next time when we do Pizzagate Expanded, and when we do further episodes on this. Hope you guys have a good night. Yeah. And hopefully you can just enjoy your families. Jesus. It’s just such an upsetting topic. I’m so infuriated. Anyways, but keep on sharing it. Share the things. Get loud about it, and demand it. And you never know, they work for us. Yeah.