Titanic Myths and Legends Part 2 – Episode #3

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// THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE: WE JUST CAN’T AGREE ON IT
CASE OPEN

CASE FILE No. 3  //  TITANIC MYTHS AND LEGENDS PART 2

Titanic Myths and Legends Part 2

filed: nov 22, 2022  //  runtime: 32:36  //  hosts: jorge, sean, eric
// THE SHORT VERSION

Picking up right where the ship-and-sinking half left off, the guys move from what is documented about the Titanic into what people have theorized about it. They open with the raw numbers: by their count, about 705 people survived out of roughly 2,200 aboard, and the lifeboats had nowhere near enough capacity to save everyone who could have made it off. From there, the episode becomes a tour of the biggest Titanic legends, graded by how much evidence actually backs each one.

The centerpiece is the Olympic switch theory. The Titanic’s sister ship, the Olympic, entered service in 1911 and collided with another vessel that same year, a wreck so costly that White Star Line was found liable for both ships’ damages. Repairs reportedly ran two months and used parts originally built for the still-unfinished Titanic, and weeks later, when one of the Olympic’s propellers broke off, the Titanic was cannibalized for parts again, contributing to the delay that pushed Titanic’s departure to April 10, 1912. The theory built on that coincidence claims the Titanic never actually sank at all, that the damaged Olympic was quietly repainted and swapped in for an insurance fraud orchestrated by owners under the control of banker JP Morgan, who was booked on the maiden voyage and canceled shortly before departure for reasons he never stated on the record. The guys note a detail that undercuts the profit motive, though: White Star Line’s payout was reportedly around 1 million dollars, worth roughly 89 million today, but the ship itself had cost about 7.5 million to build in the first place, a steep loss even with the insurance money.

From there the theory escalates into a murder plot: that Morgan let the ship go down to remove men who stood between him and the creation of a centralized U.S. banking system, later realized as the Federal Reserve. The names attached are John Jacob Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isidor Straus, the co-founder of Macy’s, three of the wealthiest men aboard. Guggenheim and Straus did not survive the sinking, while Astor’s body was recovered afterward. Even the host raising the theory admits it is a stretch, though, pointing out that a department store founder and a mining magnate were not really Morgan’s banking rivals, just other rich men who happened to be on the ship.

Two more legends get weighed and mostly dismissed or upgraded. The cursed mummy theory, that a mummified Egyptian princess known as Amen-Ra brought disaster wherever she went and was secretly aboard the Titanic, gets ruled out almost immediately: a check of the ship’s manifest after the wreck was located turned up no mummy at all. The theory the guys treat as most credible involves White Star Line managing director Ismay allegedly pushing for a speed record across the Atlantic for publicity, and Captain Smith, reportedly on his final voyage before retirement, going along with it. They note that Ismay took a seat on one of the last lifeboats to leave while a large share of third class passengers did not survive, and that Smith’s body and his final decisions were never recovered or fully explained.

The real disagreement of the episode is less about any single theory and more about plausibility itself. One host argues that Gilded Age billionaires were ruthless enough, and greed seductive enough, that a Morgan-orchestrated cover-up is not out of the question. The other calls it malarkey, unconvinced that a modern-engineered hull would tear open as easily as described, and skeptical that killing 2,200 people, most of them unrelated to any rivalry, would ever be an efficient way to solve a business problem. They even spar over whether the wreck found decades later is provably the Titanic and not the Olympic, with neither side offering hard proof, and the debate ends unresolved.

The episode closes on solid ground with the story of Charles Joughin, the Titanic’s chief baker, who by his own later testimony sent his team of bakers to load bread onto the lifeboats, helped load women and children, gave up his own assigned spot on a lifeboat to another passenger, then went back to his cabin for a drink before the ship went under. He rode the sinking ship into the water without ever fully submerging his head, then paddled for roughly two hours in near freezing water before being pulled onto an overturned lifeboat, one of fewer than ten people known to survive that long in those conditions. The guys are careful to flag that the story is self-reported and possibly embellished, and they push back on the folk explanation that alcohol kept him warm, noting that drinking actually opens blood vessels and speeds up heat loss rather than preventing it.

“Greed is a very seductive thing.”

— the guys, on the record
// THE EVIDENCE
  • By the hosts’ count, roughly 705 people survived out of about 2,200 aboard the Titanic, and the lifeboats did not have nearly enough capacity to save everyone who could have made it off
  • The Titanic’s sister ship, the Olympic, entered service in 1911, collided with another vessel that same year, and was repaired using parts originally built for the still-unfinished Titanic, contributing to the delay that pushed Titanic’s departure to April 10, 1912
  • White Star Line reportedly collected around 1 million dollars in insurance after the Titanic sank, worth about 89 million dollars today, well short of the roughly 7.5 million dollars it reportedly cost to build the ship
  • John Jacob Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isidor Straus, co-founder of Macy’s, were among the wealthiest men aboard; Guggenheim and Straus did not survive, while Astor’s body was recovered afterward
  • A check of the Titanic’s manifest after the wreck was located turned up no record of a mummy aboard, which the hosts say rules out the cursed mummy legend
  • Chief baker Charles Joughin, by his own later testimony, sent his team of bakers to load bread onto the lifeboats, gave up his own lifeboat spot to another passenger, and survived roughly two hours in near freezing water before being pulled aboard a lifeboat
// CASE QUESTIONS
Was the Titanic secretly switched with the Olympic?
This is an unproven conspiracy theory, not an established fact. It holds that the damaged Olympic was disguised and sunk in place of the Titanic as an insurance scam. The hosts note the insurance payout was reportedly far less than the ship’s build cost, which cuts against a pure profit motive, and no hard evidence has surfaced to prove the ships were swapped.
Did JP Morgan cancel his trip on the Titanic?
According to the episode, JP Morgan was booked on the Titanic’s maiden voyage but canceled shortly before departure. He never stated his reason on the record, which is part of what fuels the various theories connecting him to the sinking.
Was there a cursed mummy on the Titanic?
No verified evidence supports this. The legend claims a mummified Egyptian princess known as Amen-Ra was secretly aboard, but the hosts note that a check of the ship’s actual manifest turned up no mummy at all, and they treat the theory as effectively ruled out.
Who was the Titanic’s baker who survived hours in the water?
Charles Joughin, the ship’s chief baker, is remembered for helping load lifeboats, giving up his own assigned seat, and then surviving roughly two hours in near freezing water, one of fewer than ten people known to have lasted that long. The hosts caution the details come from his own later testimony and may be embellished, and they debunk the popular idea that alcohol helped keep him warm.
// THE FULL TRANSCRIPT
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This is, this is a, this is a lesson to all of you. Hire good staff, like, cuz man, like there’s as many things that have went a foot on, ignored that. Yeah, that been so. 705 people survived, there were 2200 passengers. Wow. And lifeboats could have fit passengers. That’s not even the crew, right? So there’s more people on there. Uh, no, I think that includes 2200 total. I think, pass, like, like people, yeah, 2200 people. But then, like, the life boats could have hold held, like, what, 12200. 1700. 1700. Wow. This is like a m out by a good, a thousand people could have survived, a thousand more, max, capacitated it.

Yeah. So here are some of the top, I guess, conspiracies or legends of the Titanic. The legends, one of which is, uh, consider, I guess they call it, the Olympic, uh, insurance scam. Here we go. Yeah. So the Olympic was the sister ship of the Titanic, uh, that was put in service in 1911. In 1911 she actually smashed into another ship. Holy [bleep] idiots, like, how does that even happen? Uh, both ships were badly damaged. The accident was a absolute financial disaster for White Sterline because they, they, yeah, crashed into each other. Yeah, you know what I mean. Uh, they were found to be liable for the accident and had to pay for the damages of both ships.

Oh God, that’s so much money. Legal fees, court cases, etc, etc. Plus it’s banged up. Yeah. Plus, plus, you can’t make money. Repairs on the Olympic took two months, and the parts that were used to repair it were from the Titanic. Wow. So do you remember, at the beginning I said it was delayed, the, the building of the Titan, because they, like, yeah, we need that propeller. Yes, they use parts to repair that were, that were slated for the Titanic. Uhhuh. Yeah, okay, good. So the Titanic is getting like the China Parts. Yeah. So another incident that happened a few weeks after being returned to service, after using the Titanic’s Parts, is, um, one of the propellers just literally broke off.

Damn. Propellers are like, M, the size of a house. Yeah, giant. Uh, so once again the Titanic was used as Replacements. So the Titanic, the Titanic’s like a, like an organ donor, they just giving up all the juice. So the Titanic was finally finished and ready to leave port on April 10th, 1912, having been delayed while the new parts were made and delivered to replace the ones for the Olympic. Uh, she first went to France, blah blah blah, you know the whole story, we just went through it. But the Olympic went on to have a 24-year career as a successful ocean liner. She served during the War World War I where she earned the nickname Old Reliable for her impenetrable hole, and then in 1999 she was outfitted, uh, re outfitted to a civilian passenger ship and served as an, um, as an ocean liner until 35 where she was retired.

Um, but the conspiracy theory Theory here is that the Titanic never sunk, instead the RMS Olympic was disguised as the Titanic in an insurance scam by her owners, of which was controlled by American Banker JP Morgan. So the idea here is that, and also a side story about JP Morgan, JP Morgan was supposed to be on the Titanic. Exactly. But the day before it he was like, nah, I’m cool. I actually heard that it was, that it was, like, like a couple hours before, a couple hours before a takeoff, and he was like, yeah, you know what, I think I’ll pass. Yeah, I’m going to take a, I’m going to take the train.

He’s like, I, he’s like, I had Taco Bell late last night, I got the shits, it’s not good, it’s not good for me right now. Did you guys ever read, like, why he, like, why he didn’t go? Like, did you say ever why he didn’t? Well, he never, I didn’t ever read, like, like what his excuse was, but I, I know, like, I read about, like, potential reasoning behind him not going, and why. But he’s not on record saying, like, no, no, I just was like, I have like a prior engagement, or there’s just another conspiracy theory about that. Yeah. Gotcha. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, uh, a couple pieces of information about this concept, I guess, is, um, when the Titanic sank the White Star Line received 1 million euro, um, an insurance, insurance. Yeah, and you know the Titanic and the Olympic were sister ship, so they looked extraordinarily similar, super similar. Now this is a podcast so it’s very hard to show, but a lot of the evidence is based on imagery, and, like, it looks so much simil, it’s almost looks like almost identical, and it’ be very easy just to, like, you know, slap a coat of paint on the back and say, like, tanic. There, couple arguments that even certain, um, Port holes are like placed, and why would they change them mid construction, makes sense, you what I mean?

Yeah. And also it’s like, you know, people may say, like, well, we’ve explored the Titanic, something, bottom of the ocean. Yeah, it’s been on the bottom of the ocean for a [bleep] long time, so you put a chip in a pool of acid for 50 years, you know, shit’s not going to look exactly as it did, you know. Yeah, when it was made. But question for you. So I did look this up, and, um, it cost, like, to build it. I was like, how much should it cost to build it? Yeah, it’s a million dollars in payout. Yeah, so it cost a build at seven and a half million.

Oh, so they only got a million. Well, it’s, guess, it’s like, you take cutting your losses at that point, you’re like, [bleep]. So that’s the weird part, so if they received a million in insurance money, which is 89 million in today’s money. By the way, by the way, we should have invested in 1912. Yes, like just in current. I know, right, just anything. 89, increase, USD, why did anybody tell me that? If you just put money there, and you just save itation, just put it in your Roth account, like, [bleep], so much. Um, so anyway, so there you go. So JP Morgan financed, um, the parent company for this.

So there are another things, I don’t know if this is one of the points you’re going to bring up, but in terms of, like, who was on the ship, and why JP Morgan might have, you know, as opposed to just insurance money, it could have been, you know, to eliminate some of his competition, in terms of the, the passenger, passenger, we get into that. Passenger. So the next one, and it’s not very much into it, but it’s close to it, which is that it was a murder plot. Yeah, that’s what I’m saying, a murder plot, delete people from the scene so he can just dominate.

So, um, also that he wanted to create something called the US Federal Reserve. Yep, so that’s a big, big conspiracy, right? That’s another, that’s another podcast right there. Yeah. So his, his rivals, or his other millionaires, I guess, I mean, I don’t know if, like, do you consider somebody else who’s rich like your rival? I don’t, I don’t really. No, I think there was other, like, some of the people on the ship, obviously while being rich, were an all very similar. I think there was other banking people who, who were, who were there, as well as people who were like financiers for his potential competition.

Yeah. Um, John Jacob Aster, we talked about him. Um, Benjamin gugenheim. Yeah, gugenheim was super riche, was the richest dude on the [bleep] boat. He’s the richest [bleep], like, yeah, massive. The billionaire guy, the gugenheim was in’s money. Yeah, I want to look up how much he was worth. A lot. There’s also, um, the, uh, founder of Macy’s, yep, which is, uh, Isidor Strauss. Um, gugenheim and Strauss apparently went down with the ship, and then, um, um, John Jacob Aster’s body was, was in fact recovered later. Um, anyway, so that’s, that’s one of the theories, you know. Well, if you want to take out your competition, that’s one way to do it, right?

Uh, but actually as I say that, like, they weren’t, like, you, to your point, they’re not really competition, right? They, they weren’t like Bankers, were they? Well, I mean, they’re, they’re very rich individuals with a lot of Sway and Investments, and so is that a compe, but I don’t know why the, the, the founder of Macy’s would be, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, that, that doesn’t seem like, that one seems a little bit of a stretch, right? Exactly, as far as competitors, cuz why, makes sense that he was on there, wasn’t it? Like, but maybe John J baster true, cuz this was supposed to be like the, a billionaire, the ship to be on, the party, the event to be on.

Yeah, it’s like the top of the top, right? Well then, then it gets into a really weird Theory, you want to hear it? Oh, I, I can’t wait. That’s what I’m, he, this is the cursed mummy, yeah, baby, [bleep], cursed mummy Theory. So the Titanic supposedly sing to its grave, carrying a cursed mummy, uh, the mummified Egyptian princess amen raah, of which she left, also she left a trail of Devastation across England in the 1900s after being excavated and moved. So it’s really funny because there’s all these weird stories, she was excavated and then all, like, the black death of plague, and then, like, this Trail actual, that’s like the real one, that’s like the truth, it’s like, she, she’s like, I love this water, [bleep], bring it down.

Yeah, that’s the theory right there, she stole the binoculars. So that’s a weird Theory. Um, there was a guy named Charles hos, um, who somehow accessed the ship’s manifest in ’85 when they actually found the ship, and, uh, there was no mommy in the Manifest, but that’s really all of the information I have on the mummy. Um, so we’re going to rule the mummy out. Yeah, a little tough, tough, not a lot of evidence. Uh, another, another, um, Theory, and this, this one might actually hold. some weight here, um, Isme and the designer of the ship and White Starline wanted to, for press reasons, PR reasons, wanted to break the record of speed across the Atlantic.

Oh, so they were like [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] the ice [bleep] D. Can you imagine, like, the first, the first voyage of the Titanic, we also break the speed record? Yes, of crossing the Atlantic, push it, bro, push it, yeah, get it. So, um, that was the best thing ever heard, but, um, you know, but that, that Shades a, or that puts a, a, a dirty light on Captain Smith. No, but, but because he jeopardized 2200 people just to break protocol. And, just, you know what I mean, people have done a lot worse for, for similar, if not less of a reason, because they’re told to.

I mean, look at, hey, yeah, it’s like he has the pressure, you know. It’s like, yeah, we, we, we dropped, we dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan when they were like about to give up anyways, and we just wanted to test them, so we literally dropped two nuclear weapons, killing like 5 million people, because, like, we wanted to see what would happen. Yeah, when he, you dropped the nuke on them. Well, a couple things that lean towards that, like that helped that argument, is, um, word was that it was Smith’s last voyage as a captain, he was going to retire, and so, you know, like, kind of like, you want to go, want to go bang, like solidify your name.

Yeah, I want to go down as a legend. You, he did, he went down with the ship as a legend. It also didn’t help that, um, Isme, uh, jumped on the last Lifeboat to leave the Titanic while 75% of the third class people were drowning. Dick. Uh, the captain’s body was never recovered, and his final moments were unknown, he’s sort like at the bar. Yeah, yeah, another whiskey. For, those are the main people, so those are the main, those are the main conspiracy theories about the Titanic. Wow, I like the one that talks about, you know, um, JP Morgan taking out his competition, dude, because JB Morgan was a, was a first class piece of [bleep].

Yeah, I mean, my, oh dude, are you kidding me? I don’t know, I, okay, but hold on, of all the people on Earth, in the history of mankind, who has the most conspiracies attached? I don’t know, of all the people on Earth. Yeah, like who is assumed to have a conspiracy, it’s probably JP Morgan’s in the top 10. Trump? No, I mean, like, you know what I mean, like of all the people, like he’s probably in the top 10 of people associated with conspiracies, like, well, because, because he’s just rich as [bleep]. No, it’s not just because he’s rich as [bleep], just how he became rich as [bleep].

Rich and power. Okay, well, no, because JP Morgan purposely destroyed the financial system of the US in order to make a centralized banking system, Federal Reserve. Yeah, well, yeah, no, he did, and he, and he, he did, and it wasn’t, it’s not like, it’s not like I’m faulting it’s, I’m, and, like, it was genius, like, what he did was actually genius. So there’s a web, speaking of the gold standard, yeah, from his standpoint it’s a dick move. But it’s like, I was doing some research from some other episode, and, um, about the go, something came up about the gold sender. There’s a website out there, it’s called, um, what, WTF happened in 1971.

comom. Need to check out, interesting. It’s [bleep], has nothing, it only has ni, time period, that, that’s the date that they went off the gold standard. Yeah, that sounds like Nixon era. Seems like a ni, has nothing but stats of just [bleep] that you’ll see, like, let’s say, uh, you know, the stats on, you know, women working, uh, like double household income or whatever, or women only working and not, you know, men not working. I don’t know, all kinds of [bleep] random statistics, like, well, interesting part is, is statistics are truth, man, is in the, uh, Roosevelt actually created the, anyways, we’ll talk about that later, that’s a whole thing, like Roosevelt started it, and then it went to that, anyways, it’s a whole, that’s definitely on our list.

So, uh, anyways, those are the theories, I don’t know where you’re at. My thing is, like, look, I mean, it’s unfortunate, and, like, look, I also want to be super rich and billionaire baller, yeah, but, like, I’m just going to, like, throw a random, most likely 80 to 90% of, like, the billionair, especially back in that time period, when it was like the [bleep] Wild West, and, like, there was no, like, regulations on, she could do what the [bleep] you want. Yeah, they were mostly not like Savory humans, like they were like [bleep] ready to S slice your [bleep] throat out just to get ahead.

And I can, I can see JP Morgan, like, making a tactical move, from his standpoint, probably like the smart move, business-wise, not human wise, being like, I can get, I get a little cash back from my [bleep] up, with, with, with the, they’re all connected. You think there’s the insurance part and the murders, all of them? I think it was, I think it was, I think it was all of the, no, I think it was an easy play, and he got the mummy afterwards. No, yeah, but see what’s confusing to me about, out, 2200 people. I know, but, and also, they, they could have survived.

That’s true. Like, that’s so risky, and then they’re like, oh, he made it, you know what I mean. Like, why don’t you just poison him in his, in his Loft? No, because, no, because then if a crashes, you still have to get the insurance money if they, if they live. He’s like, okay fine, it was worth a try, I, at least I get the, at least I get the Millie, you know, like, yeah, at least he gets the Millie, because I think the main thing was, like, okay, cool, I need like a little, I need a little, like, you know, it’s like damage control for his, for his investment, he’s an investment guy, and, like, in guys like that, they only think in the return.

So he’s like, okay, if I can cut my losses by, you know, a, a 10%, that’s a [bleep] win, that’s a huge win, dude, massive win, it’s, it’s 89 [bleep] million dollars in today’s money. He’s like, sweet, you know, and I get to lose a couple of my competition to [bleep], win, win, [bleep], like crash that [bleep]. Oh my go, he’s like, I’ll set the course, trust me, go straight here, this is Iceberg B, dude, this Iceberg, this, and make sure you take the blear out of it. Exactly. You on? I am. That’s a, that’s a big conspiracy, I don’t know that he could pull that off, that’s so many variables.

But also, too, is, like, my thing is, like, the way, the way I think about it is, like, okay, so the hole is so [bleep] strong, dude, super fortified, thick ass steel, probably like three feet [bleep] thick, this beast mode. And, like, it, I get it, hits a giant piece of ice, I, I know it’s like huge, but I’m like a mountain, that [bleep], yeah, it’s like a mountain, I get it, but it’s like, that’s going to rip through, like, it’s just going to just shred through it like [bleep] butter. And they’re, they’re not, it’s not there, like a [bleep] speedboat, I mean, they got to be going, like, they’re not going like that fast, they hit like full reverse, they’re not going like super fast, I’m like, how does it, I never understood that.

To me, because obviously with modern engineering, it’s like, it’s like, okay, you take a tank, and you, like, run it into an iceberg, it’s not going to like rip the tank in half, it’s just going to like hit, it’s going to hit the ice and crash, and just be like, like, people inside might die, but, like, it’s the tank is going to still be there, like, you have to hit that [bleep] with the [bleep] missile to, like, blow it up. Like, I don’t understand. I don’t know, I don’t, I’m not convinced, I’m still not convinced of a conspiracy here. No, you, no, I think it’s, I think it’s malarkey.

I think it’s, you can’t even spell that word. I know, try it, try it, try it. M A L, wrong. No, I, I, I just think it was a horrible thing, and then there happened to be rich people on it, yeah, and they just died, sucks, and they handled it horribly. Yeah, so, yep, and everybody was like, they trained, but they didn’t train enough. Yeah, you know what I mean, like all, like the lookout, the captain, the crew, the lifeboats, like all that stuff. I’m going, go watch Titanic the movie after this. I just think that you guys are underestimating the, the vast cruelty in mankind, dude.

No, just, like, I’m not saying that I know for a fact that he did it, but I think it’s totally probable, I think it’s a probable thing. I mean, because, like, look, while, well, as a, as a race, we’re actually great, and, like, like, you know, we want to succeed and, like, take care of a fell man, like, we love, like, it’s great, there are people. I mean, look what happened in Africa, like the genocide of your own [bleep] people. Yeah, massive genoci world, just because, just because you’re in a [bleep] different tribe, you know what I’m saying, like. And, like, if they’re willing to do that because you’re in a different tribe, not for money, not for anything other than, like, [bleep], your tribe, like, imagine what, you, I have $1 million, to go from being like, I have like $17 billion, like this, like that, that dramatic jump up.

And, like, I’m just saying, greed, greed is a very seductive thing. Yeah, so I’m saying it’s, it’s probable just because, like, the seduction of, like, of money and power, because that’s what I think. I think money and power are the great poisoner of like our race, that’s, that’s what causes people to do shitty things, is, is money and power, obviously it can cause you to do great things and do great things for people, which people do, which is awesome, I fully agree. But I, I, I, I’m not saying I believe that he did it, I’m just saying that, like, I can’t, I can’t be like, no, he didn’t do it.

I just, I can’t say, I can’t say that. I get, I don’t really get how, like, you go to the, like, we found the boat, yeah, and, like, obviously it wasn’t the olymp. Are you sure? Yeah. We don’t, how are we sure about that, you know? Like, we found the boat, dude, it’s a boat that has been under. So what, it’s the same thing. They found that like the chandelier. You canot, that, that there must be a VIN number, there must be a god number on code. No, I’m saying, dude, it’s, I understand they found the boat. Yeah, there is a boat, cu a boat crashed, it happened, but the boats are so similar, and it’s been sitting in a pool of the most corrosive, like the most corrosive material on Earth, Salt waterer, it will literally burn through anything, it will sing, we would have found some evidence, dude, if they’re the same exact boat.

What evidence is there? There’s no evidence they’re the same boat, there’s got to be like a, is there any theory that they, this was in 1911, there was the Olympic. Huh? Or Olympic, what was it called? The Olympic, Olympic, I think it was Olympic. Yeah, Olympic, the Olympic. Okay, so they took that, and then they renovated that and made it look nice and shiny, that sister. So, like, obviously, like, you, that was the, do you look like your brother? You look like your brother, you know, you got your thing, you look the same. So images, you know, you kind of look the same. Okay, Eric, so you’re going to tell me, okay, so that’s my point.

How do you, I’m GNA, you’re actually making the point. Yeah, you’re actually making his point. Well, it’s about all the show we got tonight, guys, tell us what you think. I, I’m, I’m, I’m the, the consumate skeptic, um, whereas I’m probably the, the, I’m probably one of the 5% psychos here, like, wants to believe everything, that’s why you’re here. So, uh, just to wrap it up, I do have one cool story, it’s not really a conspiracy, I just thought it was a cool story, so I just want to, I just want to read this real quick, uh, be our, our sign off here basically. And it’s the story of Charles Zan, I think, I’m saying that right, I could say that wrong.

Uh, anyways, Charles worked as a chief Baker on the Titanic, a thing, he was the, the baker Chief, one such an irrelevant position, so he led a team of 13 other Bakers. Damn, that’s a, what, a chief baking officer? Yeah, they CBO [bleep]. Uh, they took care of the Titanic, and they made sure that fresh bread was available, blah blah blah, like croissants, all sorts of thing things, not one person’s going without Bread on this [bleep]. So when the ship hit an iceberg on the evening of 14, uh, April, uh, Charles was off duty and in his bunk, and according to testimony, this is his testimony, by the way.

Did he survive? Yes, he survive, I say, like, who’s testifying to this? This is his testimony. He felt the shock of the collision and immediately got up. Word was being passed down from the upper decks that officers were getting the lifeboats ready for launch, and Charles sent his 13 men up to the boat deck with Provisions to the lifeboats. He sent four loaves of bread per Baker, and about 40 lbs total of bread. Charles stayed behind for a time, but then followed them, reaching the boat deck at around 12:30 a.m. Charles helped children and women get into the lifeboats, and after a while women panicked and refused to enter them, claiming it was safer to stay aboard of the Titanic, so he forcibly threw them into boats.

Wow. Also, keep in mind this is his own story. That was just about to say this, is another conspiracy, like, what really happened is, like, he woke up, he was like drunk, he’s like, [bleep], totally his own story. Just so we know, I still think he’s cool as [bleep]. So he threw the, some people into the boats, he was also yoked. He was assigned, he was assigned as Captain of Lifeboat 10, but he refused to enter and left his place for another passenger, um, because it, because he noticed it was already being crewed by two Sailors and a steward, so he thought it was like fine, you know.

He then decided to go back to his cabin to have a little drop of liquor, a little drop, aka the whole bottle, little drop. So later on, years later, he would admit that a drop of liquor meant a half full tumbler. My dude, it was like ABS, he’s like trying to get fed. So passengers then started to panic, yet Charles remained calm, because he was so drunk. Semi drunk. Yes, I love this guy. Yes, he started throwing wooden chairs into the water, hoping that people would be able to float on them, use them as a flation. Yes. So then Charles recalled later on that he rode the ship like an elevator, and he never got his head wet.

By 2:30 in the morning he was in the water, because the Titanic was under. How the [bleep] did he survive? Charles calmly paddled for 2 hours, calmly pad a calm, until around 4:30 a.m. he saw an upturn Lifeboat with 20 people standing on top of it, he palled towards the boat, there was no space for him, so they kicked him off, like they’re drowning him, the [bleep] off. The one of a cook recognized him and extended his hand out, and by that time a Lifeboat came by, and Charles was taken aboard. He was one of only, uh, about eight people that were recovered from the water after that time.

Did. Okay, I feel like this gu maybe embellished this a little bit. After two hours sitting in, or paddling in freezing water, yeah, the water’s like [bleep], complained about was his feet were swollen, he’s like, I’m not even cold. He stayed there until being saved by the Carpathia. Uh, of all the people that went into the water, it’s believed that Charles was only one of less than 10 to survive two plus hours, because the temperature of the water was 30 6°, okay. Not even the temperature of the water, it’s like, who has, who can tread water for two [bleep] hours? So Charles, maybe seals can’t even do that.

So, after, after surviving the Titanic, Charles went back to work on different ships. He also baked bread for transports during World War II. What, he also baked bread. The emperor, he is, an incredibly amazing life. And he, uh, he died in 1956 at the age of 78. Anyways, I thought that was pretty cool, because he then became known as the guy who drank liquor. He’s the guy who became known as the guy who drank liquor, that insulated him, little drop insulated him. And there’s like a whole conspiracy about, like, if you drink liquor, can you survive cold weather? And you, apparently, you can’t. No, you, you actually die quicker, because, so when you drink, when you drink liquor, it actually expands your, your blood vessels, open up more, and you actually let out more heat.

Yeah, so, so if you’re in cold, it’s actually, you actually will get sick and die faster than someone who hasn’t drank, because you’re actually, you’re actually letting, you’re letting more heat out of your body. And so if you, in freezing cold water, he would literally die in like 10 minutes. Not just a conspiracy podcast, we’re an educational, this actual fact. Anyways, I thought he was, I thought he was a cool guy, I thought it was a cool story. To W, he’s one of the best storytellers of our, of our age. That was a legendary story, absolutely a legend. I set up 40 lb of, yeah, I children, I C in the ship, this guy’s awesome, and then I flew the rescue plane home, had sex with Mary Monroe, and I died, live, I Liv the best life.

All right, well, thank you Charles, appreciate you, this one’s for you, Charles. Yeah, well, cheers everybody, thanks a bunch for listening, and, uh, tune in next time for The Chronicles of Charles. Bye everybody, see you.

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