Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. Hello. Hope your Tuesday is going well. Yeah, hope it’s spectacular. You’re on your way to work, on your way back from work, on your lunch break, or just unemployed. That’s good. That’s good, too. I wish.

We are your hosts. My name is Eric. This is Sean, and we’re sadly missing our third musketeer, Jorge. But as some of you in the Discord might think, maybe he was never here in the first place. Maybe we were caught. Yeah, like we got busted. We got busted. Truth be told, Jorge is on his way back in town. He’ll get in like 2:00 a.m. And the show must go on, so we couldn’t wait. So we’re recording.

So what do we got on the docket today, E? So we are going to do an episode on Oak Island. Literally no, never heard of this. Sean’s never heard of this ever, but it’s kind of a big deal. It’s kind of a big story. There is a TV show on the History Channel that has run 13 seasons on the Oak Island treasure. Huh? Okay. How do they do this? And how have you not heard of it? How does the History Channel pump out 13? I know.

You know, I was watching it. One of my favorite History Channel shows that I can only watch on Hulu now is Forged in Fire. Yeah, I know exactly. Love that. There’s 30 seasons to that show. I love that show. I don’t know why. It’s like nothing like watching metal get formed into a sword at like 2:00 a.m. when I’m trying to go to sleep. Is it where you can jump in at any time? Is that why? Oh, yeah. You want to. It’s just like, whoa, they’re hitting metal. And they’re like, all right, we’re going to do twisted teardrop Damascus. And I’m like, I have no idea what’s going on, but I love it.

Well, Oak Island is a small, privately owned island located off the southern shore of Nova Scotia, Canada. So just to give you an idea of where it is, just imagine the most northeast of North America that you can get. Yeah, so in those islands, that cluster up there. So there’s America, and there’s America’s hat, and then it’s on top of the hat. It’s just a few hundred feet from the mainland near the town of Chester, and it is part of a cluster of small islands along the Atlantic coast. Despite its quiet coastal setting, the island has become one of the most famous mystery sites in the world due to the centuries-long search for buried treasure.

God, nothing gets the human blood pumping like some buried treasure, right? I mean, if I lost everybody, meaning if I was all alone, oh, I’m going hunting, a treasure hunter. Yeah. Well, the funny thing is, you think about it, back when trade was mainly via ship, there was all these treasure things, but now there’s the new age treasure hunt where the guys are like, I lost my thumb drive with my Bitcoin wallet on it. That was like the great treasure hunt for thumb drives. But there’s got to be treasure still out there, right? Dude, the ocean’s vast.

Remember we did the Nazi treasure? Yeah, and then we also did the other one. What was the the guy who supposedly buried it in like Virginia? God, I forget his name already. I don’t remember, but I want to find it. I know. We did a whole episode on it. Wait, who? What? Yeah. That’s why we would be a nightmare live. Oh my god. They’d be like, we have a cute little Q and A. I’m like, I do not. I think it was like on our fourth pee break. I have no idea.

So, if you stand on Oak Island long enough, something starts to feel off. Not immediately. At first, it’s just another stretch of land of Nova Scotia, trees, rocks, ocean air. But give it time. Wait until the wind drops, until the water goes quiet. That’s when you feel it. Like the island is holding something back. Well, the island’s like alive. And the theory is that maybe it is, because for over 200 years, people have come here looking for treasure. Many of them never left the same, and some didn’t even leave. Ooh.

1795, the first dig. Okay, let’s go back. Take me back, Eric. 1795, the first dig. It started with a boy, Daniel McGinnis. He wasn’t searching for anything, just wandering. Just a young boy digging. Wandering around an island. Alone. No parents. He was just wandering around. He wasn’t searching for anything, but he noticed a strange depression in the ground beneath an oak tree. A perceptive young man. Perfectly round, too perfect even.

Then there was a branch above it, and it was worn smooth in one spot, like a rope had been there, like something heavy had been lowered into the earth. And he’s obviously learned on the pulley system at this time, so he’s like, ooh. There was clearly a lever action happening here. That detail stuck with him. So he decided to grab two friends and come back. They began to dig. 10 feet down, they encountered wooden planks. 20 feet down, more planks. 30 feet down, they found even more planks. How would you and the homies dig 30 feet down? That’s impressive.

They were layered, measured, and intentional. Now, keep in mind it’s 1795. Is this like an old mine or something that they found? They determined that somebody had built this. They didn’t build it to be found either because it was buried over. I wonder how far this is from the coast, because maybe over time the tide pushes in mud and it fills it. I don’t know. Maybe. I’m just trying to think why it would be buried on accident as opposed to on purpose.

Well, the first theory that came about was pirates. Okay. The late 1700s were full of stories of swashbuckling pirates and buried treasure, especially Captain Kidd, whose missing fortune had already become legend. So people didn’t really question it. They assumed that that’s what it was. It was just pirate mystery. Pirate treasure. But it’s not necessarily strong evidence. It just became the belief. Like the stories. I mean, we always want to put an answer to something. We don’t like mysteries. I mean, look, we’re doing a whole podcast on stuff that doesn’t make sense. The emptiness. Yeah, like the void must be filled with some answer.

So about 10 years later, 1805, a company took over the dig and they decided to do it in earnest. And they decided to go deeper. So at 90 feet, they found a carved stone slab. Ooh. On it, they found strange symbols. Oh, sick. Okay. They couldn’t read it, though. This was like Sanskrit or something. It’s these weird symbols. Eventually, though, somebody claimed this translation. Of course. Now keep in mind this is all a long time ago. Long time ago. And then the next thing they say is like, you know, Google Lens. Yeah. There’s no released declassified files. This is all campfire stories.

Somebody claimed that it translated to the following. 40 feet below, 2 million pounds are buried. Why would you even leave that note? That just seems like a random note. Well, that’s the transcript, or it’s the supposed translation of the stone and the symbols. No, but I, oh, maybe it was like a code and then they deciphered the code. Because also, if I was burying some stuff, I wouldn’t be like, my cash is beneath. I’d be like, there’s nothing here. Nothing to see. Turn back. Honestly, it kind of sounds like they grabbed the stone, went to the pub. I don’t know what this is. I know what it means. And you’re like 17 meads deep. What does this mean? 40 feet below, 2 million pounds are buried. Anyways, that sentence changed everything, and that’s what became the story. And that’s what became the lore.

I think it would be even more amazing if it was just like these pirates were the original internet trolls. Yeah. And then it’s like it was just a joke. They’re like, let’s dig a huge hole and put this tablet down there. Just to ruin everyone’s life for the next 300 years. Which they did. That’s what I’m saying. That’s great. So they continued to dig deeper. And then when they reached a certain point, water started to flood. And it wasn’t just a little droplets, it was sudden, violent, unstoppable. The entire pit then flooded. Oh, so it’s like a made aquifer or something down there?

I mean, some say it was a booby trap. Ooh, because they’re that technologically advanced to make flooding booby traps. No matter how much they pumped, it kept filling. And eventually they discovered why. They found tunnels. Okay. Engineered tunnels stretching from the ocean to the pit, built with stone and with coconut fiber. These are ingenuitive. Here’s the strange mystery. When was the last time you had a coconut in Nova Scotia? Oh. And that didn’t even pop into my mind. Yeah. I don’t think ever. They don’t exist. It’s too cold. So it means somebody imported from thousands of miles away.

I mean, I don’t know, the nearest Bahama Island. But it’s like, I need it for the fiber. It’s the only way I can build a tunnel with this coconut fiber. You would take the things and make make-shift rope or something with the fiber. Point is, if you were going to go to the hassle to ship it there, maybe get some more industrial type product to make your nearby resource. I know, right? Metal. I don’t know anything. But it also added another confusion, which is pirates didn’t build like that. No. Pirates didn’t do that. Dig big hole, put treasure in.

Once people realized this wasn’t simple, they began to abandon the treasure idea and they upgraded builders and trying to figure out what they were building. But then the question became, if pirates didn’t build it, who could have built it? And this is when the theory of the Knights Templar came in. Ooh. People looked back to the Knights Templar, a secretive wealthy order that vanished in the 1300s. It’s true. Which we also should do an episode on. We haven’t done an episode on that. They had wealth, they had secrecy and they had engineering skill. And they could have taken over vast amounts of gold that no one would account for. Oh, easily. I mean during the Crusades they could have just taken everything. Again though, no evidence. It just sounds cool.

This is the evolution of the story. It also means, okay, who would have the means to do something like that, realistically. Pirates usually bury stuff because they’re on the run from the law. Yeah. And they were like, okay, we’ll come back later and get it. Are they really going to do some legitimate underground tunnel? Probably not. No.

Then in 1849, so we fast forward 40 years, then came the moment that locked the mystery in place. A drill pulled up bits of wood, a small piece of chain, and traces of actual gold. Oh. Not rumors, not guesses, something real. Yeah, legit. So at that moment it then became a real treasure hunt and a real, this could be something. Yeah. I mean 2 million pounds of gold is like beaucoup de l’or. Dude, I wonder what that is.

I mean, mathematically I think the price of gold is right around 5,000 an ounce. So you do 5,000 times 16, that’s 80k, and then 80k times 2 million. This is at today’s prices. So 80k times 2 million, so that’s 16 million plus four zeros. So 16 billion dollars worth of gold. Now I understand the TV show. Yeah, they’re like, yeah. Episode 289. If there’s a History Channel clause that they get a percent. If it’s found. You know there’s some unrealistic History Channel producer, and he’s like, 1%, that’s what you get.

But then the mystery kept going because that’s when people started to die. At first, they were accidents. A collapse, a fall, unstable ground, drowning. But over time people started to notice a pattern. And that’s when the curse of the seven came in. Ooh, the curse of the seven. Okay, this sounds like a history show. This is amazing. The deeper they dug, the more often something went wrong. And eventually, someone said, and we don’t know where this came from, but the History Channel runs hard on this one. The curse of the seven. And if you watch all 700 episodes, this is stupid, they don’t explain it. And the reason why is because they don’t know where it came from. And that’s just the truth.

This is what it is. Seven must die before the treasure is found. But it seems like more than seven have died. Nobody knows where it came from. It wasn’t written down. This is all just word of mouth. Sounds like some drunkard made that up. And I’m going to spoil this to the end and we’ll go over a couple of them, but as of today, six have died. Ooh.

Eric, you want to go to another sketch show? I feel like it’s the right time. I know. Like, honey, I don’t know what happened. Eric, you tripped and fell. He tripped and fell and shot himself with a gun that was in his hand. Oh, what a great storyline. Like, you have to kill me in order to get it. Sorry guys, the podcast is over. We found 16 billion dollars in gold. Oh, you just turn and you’re like, I’m sorry, buddy. No, I actually turn around and I’m like, seven must die before the treasure is found. Oh, that would be so great. I don’t know where it came from. Like, I’m part of the Knights Templar. Sorry, Eric.

I don’t know. They’re trying to, I guess, explain why the island keeps, I don’t know. I actually don’t know why they’re making this seven must die before the treasure is found. I think anytime, especially when you’re talking about this, there’s obviously a mystery afoot, and then people start dying. It’s very easy. This is the stuff of fireside chats, literally. Homies are out outdoors freezing or eating some rabbit leg. You know, it started near Quebec. They’re all, yo, you trying to do it? Wait, hold on. Is this my Canadian accent? Don’t you know all the seven? I told you.

That’s all they do, I guess. It sounds more Irish. I know it does, damn it. Sorry, Canadians. I know that’s something you’re like a Canadian, you’re like, oh, don’t you know what’s going on over there? No, that’s Irish. That’s Irish. Yeah, you sound like Boondock Saints. Why don’t you make like a tree? Get the hell out of here. What is it, a boot?

So in 1861, workers fell into the pit when a platform collapsed. Some didn’t make it out. Years later, more accidents followed, each one reinforcing the idea that the island demands. Oh, the island needs blood. And the island needed the sacrifice. It’s not just effort that the island demands. It’s not money that the island demands, but it’s lives. Blood, the island demands seven. Only seven. Yeah. It’s so funny that the seven. It’s obviously like a, yeah, seven. But they have to die there, but I’m sure other people die on the island. They don’t count. It has to be like in the hole because the island can’t feast on your bones unless it’s in the pit.

By the early 1900s, Oak Island attracted serious people. As opposed to the drunkards over there before. Engineers, even investors. And even Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He was part of an investment team that sent out a crew to go look into Oak Island. Of course he was a part of an investment team. The rich people are like, oh, it’s a new opportunity. These weren’t dreamers. They had actual resources, technology, and manpower. Still, they found nothing. Yeah. It only made the mystery worse.

Even though, as more professional, I don’t want to use smarter, but professional people failed, the mystery kind of lost some. It’s weird, but it’s like you have more resources, more technologically advanced resources, to throw at a problem. Sophisticated. Yeah, there you go. Sophisticated. It’s as if we’re like, well, we looked through the forest in the Amazon. We didn’t see shit. But now they’re like, oh, we have lidar and just radio waves at it. And obviously that’s more sophisticated. It doesn’t mean it’s smarter. It just means it’s better. It’s much different than Mr. Beast going to the pyramids. You know what I mean? Resources.

Then a new theory emerged. It was called the British treasure theory. And it grew out of a simple but compelling shift in thinking. If Oak Island’s underground system was too complex for pirates, then it must have been built by someone with far more resources, organization, and strategic intent. Supporters of this theory point to the timing of major conflicts in the 1700s, particularly the American Revolution. When British forces were moving large quantities of gold, documents, and seizures, and military assets across the Atlantic, Nova Scotia remained firmly under British control during this period, making Oak Island a secure, remote location that was still accessible by ship.

And also it’s very inconspicuous, too. Yeah. Like it’s just this random little baby island, no one gives a damn. And it’s actually closer to London. Or it’s closer to England. That’s right, because it’s like probably a direct shot. So in theory, if you wanted to have a little secret trade route. Yeah. But also there’s no coconuts in England, either. So where is this about East India Trading Company, so maybe it was a, that was at the peak of British power. Like you said, maybe it was a trade route. Yeah.

The theory suggests that British engineers, possibly military, constructed the money pit as a hidden vault to protect valuables from capture by American or French forces. This would explain the sophisticated flood tunnel system, the precision of the shaft construction, and the use of imported materials like coconut fiber. I mean, okay. It’s making sense. I still don’t understand the tablet. I mean that doesn’t make sense. And the strange symbols. All of our money’s down here, American scum. Why would you, it’s so unnecessary.

But the tunnel system is pretty interesting. And then they probably, if you were to construct that tunnel system, you didn’t have advanced geologists, and then the ground shifts one bit and it’s like all gone. In this context, Oak Island isn’t just hiding a place, it’s a deliberately engineered fail-safe deposit site. So you remember the flooding. Yeah. So maybe they were like, this is my bank. And, I don’t know, a little Indiana Jonesy. That’s what I was thinking. I’m like, they have a giant stone ball that will roll down and crush all stealers of the money. A penitent man should pass. Penitent. Kneel. That’s my favorite. Last Crusade’s my favorite, bro.

And then Sean Connery, penitent, penitent. Oh, I’m going to watch that again. Dude, it’s so good, and that super hot Nazi babe. Oh, man. Although she slept with both of them. Yeah. With the dad, too. Little curveball. He’s like, I still got the juice. Indy talks in his sleep. That’s not the accent. That’s not at all. That’s not a Nazi German. She’s Austrian, right? Yeah, of course. Indy talks in his sleep. That’s not Austrian at all. What the hell.

So the theory is it’s a deliberate fail-safe deposit site designed so that if anyone ever tried to retrieve the contents without the original knowledge or passcode, the island itself would destroy itself. Consume itself. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. Okay.

The next one blossomed into a new theory, and this is featured a lot in the History Channel show, if you wanted to check it out, which is the Shakespeare theory. Oh, what? Maybe it wasn’t gold, maybe it was knowledge. Maybe it was a hidden identity, and this ties into our episode on Shakespeare not being the right, being a pen name. It was like the Lord who supposedly was? Yes. Okay, before I let you continue, please continue.

The Shakespeare theory exists because some researchers believe Oak Island wasn’t built to protect gold, but information. For centuries, there’s been a fringe, no, I’m just kidding, that William Shakespeare didn’t actually write his plays and that the true author, often suggested to be Francis Bacon, hid proof of the secret to avoid political consequences. Supporters of this idea argue that Oak Island’s structure resembles a vault that was designed to preserve documents, not just buried treasure, deep, sealed, protected from water intrusion unless disturbed.

The discovery of what appeared to be parchment fragments during one of the drillings in the money pit fueled the theory. They found paper. It has to be Shakespeare. It suggested that paper or manuscripts may have once been stored below. In this context, the elaborate flood system makes a little bit of sense, not as a deterrent to thieves, but as a self-destruct mechanism ensuring that if anyone tried to access the vault improperly, it would implode. And the reason why it’s tied to Shakespeare is because somebody super conspiratorial found clues that were in his first folio that apparently made a map that lined up perfectly with a map of Oak Island. Okay. I thought they’re like, if you take the third letter of every 18th word, it spells out Oak Island. It’s clearly a cipher. It’s actually pretty much that.

And I love the theory. It’s great. It’s just, it does have one glaring hole. First of all, why would you keep proof that you were a fraud? I mean, maybe if it was your original Romeo and Juliet that you hand wrote and you’re like, I got to put this somewhere. He’s like, I’m going to spend millions to literally a fleet, go to a foreign continent. I’m going to spend 10 billion dollars to ship coconuts to build this hole. And he’s like, oh, that’ll be perfect here. Just hide it under your bed. I know. What the hell. Your assistant’s like, we’re in Stratford-upon-Avon. Just go down to the, it’s so stupid. It’s just so unnecessary, just to prove. Sure, I guess it’s if you’re a baller, right? It’s a weird flex. Like, you want to see the original manuscript?

So just imagine you’re William Shakespeare or the guy and then you’re like, go to America. Bury it on an island called Oak. Find the most remote island with the most suspicious and unstable ground you possibly can. Okay, and you want us to bury it 30 feet? No, no, no. Wait, you want it 60 feet? No, no, no. 90 feet. And wait, booby traps. What booby traps? Sir, how will you get to it? I won’t. Dude, just burn it. I do like the Shakespeare conspiracy. I love it. But if it was more plausible. This is the conspiracy of the conspiracy of the conspiracy. You know what I mean? It’s taking it.

You know what I really hope? I hope that in the new National Treasure, they go to Oak Island. He’s going to be like, a clue! I have to steal the Oak Island treasure. The real Declaration of Independence is actually buried in Oak Island. Oh god. It’s kind of like, I love for example when we did the Hitler one, where like Hitler is hiding all the stuff, and that’s that story and that’s crazy and it could be possible. But then it’s like saying, you know, have you ever heard the theory that Hitler built a base on the other side of the moon? Yes, I have heard that. So it’s like the theory and then it’s the theory on top of the theory.

Have you seen, there’s a movie called, I know what you’re talking about. Yeah. I haven’t seen it, but I think I told you about it. It’s like a little documentary thing, but it’s about all these conspiracies and it’s called, oh, no, I thought you were talking about something else. No, it’s about all these conspiracies. Oh my god. Here, hold on a second. Okay. It’s called Above Majestic. A documentary? It’s just all about, yeah, a documentary is a stretch. But they go through all this stuff and it’s called Above Majestic because there’s the conspiracy theories around different security clearances and how the highest clearance you can get is called Majestic. And it’s like an actual clearance. It’s like you can see the UFO, that’s the clearance.

So it’s called Above Majestic and they actually get into some crazy good theories and I was dialed in. I’m like, dude, this is the shit. Where is it? I think you can rent this. We’ll Google it and see where you can rent it, but it should be like a $3. I might show it before. But then it just takes a hard left turn and you’re like, oh. Where it goes super fringy. And they were like, yes, like obviously, and then they were like, pretty much the Nazis used U-boats to go to space. Yeah. And they’re like, yeah, why do you think they’re pressurized and like this? And I’m like, okay.

Well, I love those ones because for half of it it’s very logical. Dude, it was solid. It was good. And then all of a sudden it’s, and they’re like out there theories, but with whatever little pieces, I’m like, I could totally see it. And then they went there and I’m like, god damn it. Why did you guys have to do that? It’s so unnecessary. Above Majestic. Yeah. I’m not saying we’re vouching for it. It’s good until it’s not good. Like that’s all I’ll say. There you go. I like that. It’s good till it’s not good. It’s good till it’s trash. All right, well, that’s the Shakespeare theory. I don’t know. It’s interesting, but a little far-fetched for even our, I know we have the Conspiracy Podcast. I get it everybody, you know.

In 1965, then came a moment that changed everything on Oak Island. Robert Restall, obsessed, dedicated, he actually started living on the island. I will find out. He decided to descend into one of the shafts. Alone. Within minutes, it collapsed. Idiot. So his son decided, as any son would do, to follow. To make the same exact mistakes as your father. Yeah. It immediately collapsed. Sean, it’s not funny. Who keeps building it back up and it keeps collapsing? Like, what the hell. Two of their friends then followed the son. Okay, maybe the, let me guess. To those two? Instantly collapsed. Instant collapse.

Wait, do you think maybe there’s like a siren in there? Like, come to me. Come to the hole. Like it’s a horror movie. Like maybe there’s no treasure, it’s just a death pit. But here’s where the weird part is, their bodies were pulled up and then they did a 1965 autopsy. I mean, you know. They’re like, we’ve determined that they’re dead. Yeah. This is also around Maryland. We know Maryland’s autopsy. So they did an autopsy and they didn’t die from the collapse. They died from toxic gas. Ooh. Another booby trap. Secondary booby trap.

And they’re like, they died from musket fire. I can just imagine the autopsy. He’s like, the dude’s head is smashed in from a board. I know. They’re like, he, that did not kill him. Toxic gas. Mercury poisoning. Toxic gas. You see? Head’s half gone. Decapitated. It’s not funny, guys. It’s not. And it’s, I’m laughing at you guys for laughing. Listen, it’s a little funny that they, how many times before you’re like, maybe we shouldn’t go down into the pit.

I wouldn’t have followed the son. No. I can understand the son. I can’t. So if you saw your dad die in a pit, collapse, hole in a pit, why, what would possess me to do the same thing? Sorry, honey. Your dad died in a pit. I need to go down. Okay, maybe to be like, what was he, I have to find what he was looking for. Yeah. Literally we’re Indiana Jones. He does the same thing. Dies in a pit. Indy, let it go. Indy. He’s like, I can reach it. It’s such a good movie. God. Man. Yeah.

All right, fast forward to modern day. And now we have the Lagina brothers. Rick and Marty. Oh, wow. I thought they said Rick and Morty. No. Rick and Marty, the Lagina brothers. And they came out with a show called The Curse of Oak Island. And this is the show that I’ve been referring to. It’s basically the modern chapter of the story that you just heard. Only now it’s being filmed in real time. The show premiered in 2014 on the History Channel and as of now has run 13 seasons with over 200 episodes. These guys are crushing it. I did watch about four. The max maxed out at four. Yep. It is one of the longest running treasure hunt series on television.

Have they found anything? And I’m going to go into it, yeah. Okay. It follows brothers Rick and Marty Lagina and their team as they use modern technology, drilling rigs, sonar scanning, etc., to try and finally solve the mystery that’s gone unsolved for 200 years. Every season is essentially another attempt to answer the same question. What is down there in Oak Island, the pit?

Can I have a history show that’s called Sean’s taxes? And then every year the History Channel’s funding, what is he going to write off this year? To solve this problem. The age-old question. Oh man, is he going to write off that Uber Eats for Chick-fil-A? I don’t know. How is Sean going to skirt the system to the very limits without getting arrested? Oh god. What’s so sick? It’s insane. I know. I mean it’s got to be ratings. Oh, dude, it has to be. Like people probably love it. Yeah. Like if I was 80 on a rocking chair, I would be ripping that show.

Now, I will give it to them. They have this ability to draw out nothing. It’ll just be like one thing. Literally. And then it’s like commercial break cliffhanger. Yes. And then there’s like talking heads of like, this is going to be the moment. And I’m very excited. This is going to be the biggest thing that we’ve ever found. Ever. It’s every 5 minutes. And they’re like, we found a boot. And to be fair, I did watch four episodes. Hey, got them.

But as far as what they found, it’s not the treasure, or at least not yet, because it’s still an active show. Not yet. Over the years, the team has uncovered centuries-old coins. Okay, cool. Hand-forged tools. All right. Pieces of parchment. Wooden structures deep underground. And artifacts like a lead cross believed to be dated between 1200 and 1600 AD. Maybe it’s a cross that poisoned the homies that fell down the pit. Now, these finds are important because they suggest people have been looking on this island and or settling on the island for hundreds of years. But we knew people were looking for it. I know.

At the same time, critics point out that despite years of digging, no definitive treasure vault has ever been uncovered. And much of what has been found is circumstantial. Okay, if I was thinking, if there’s 16 billy worth of gold, wouldn’t you just excavate a large plot? Just rip it all out? You know, I was going to ask, are you just going to dig one hole? Just dig the whole thing up. Let’s get reasonable. Yeah, let’s say it’s not 16. Like because of the legend grew. Let’s say it’s one. 1 billy. That’s a lot of gold. That’s a lot.

But you’re Sean in 1795. You got a billy in physical coins or jewels or whatever. What are you doing with this? What’s your plan? What’s your strategy? I bring it to like the bank, I’m getting murdered. Someone’s legit robbing me, killing me. Yeah. And I’m done. And then now they’re rich. I know. Exactly. So what do you do with this? Because it’s physical. Yeah. And also, how do you haul that up? That’s a lot, 2,000 pounds. How many pulleys are you going to have to do from 90 feet? Oh, dude, it’s going to take you a lifetime to get that up. I don’t know if I’m going to go hide it in Canada. Yeah, I don’t know what you would do. Especially if you found it back in the day, you’re like, I need to buy seven donkeys. Yeah. Like for what? Don’t ask questions.

I do like the location of it and the story of the British and the revolutionary, it’s obviously a good spot to hide something, for sure. Great spot. But with this TV show, when they find the coins, when they find the tools, when they find the underground structures, it actually just continually led to confusion. They’re like, what the hell. I mean, truth be told, by the time I was done with it, I was like, I don’t have the willpower to watch 194 more episodes.

But it’s also, if there was this flood tunnel thing, what if the gold’s just in the ocean now? I know. Like why don’t homies start scraping the ocean? That’s what I would do. Metal detector at the bottom. Let’s go. But wouldn’t it scatter? Gold’s heavy. So it would just go to one location? Well, the ocean is strong. Ocean is strong, too. And I think it could definitely get sucked in with a big pulse. But once it’s in the open ocean, it’s not in some insanely strong current, it’s just going to sink to the bottom. Yeah. Like where, I’m not sure how this tunnel structure is.

I mean, it’s wood planks. And so it’s not legit. Yeah, dug out. But I’m saying, where is the water coming from? Like where does it actually tie into the ocean? Is there some relief valve? I don’t know. Well, it might be worth going checking out one of the episodes. Yeah, it might be worth it. But it’s like this mud pit with water and it is on the edge of the island connected to the ocean. Oh, okay. So realistically, even it could have just, like land shifts and it just gets sucked, it just moves out. It just goes away. Yeah. Or it just goes deeper and then it’s in some bog of stuff. Yeah. I don’t know.

After 200 years, one pattern is clear. Everyone thinks they’re close, and everybody that goes there thinks they’re close to something. Every generation said this. Every team has said this. Every investor said, we’re close to something. And that’s what keeps them digging, but the only thing that’s actually been found of value are a couple coins. Yeah, this is exactly why people buy lotto tickets. They’re this close. I’m one number away from being rich. The other side of it, you take the guy who found the Titanic or the guys who find these pirate ships. That’s true. There have been really cool finds and they find legit treasure and it’s unbelievable. But they are, like you said, one in a million. Yeah, and they’re so difficult.

So the question then becomes, what is down there? A pirate treasure? A Templar vault? Lost manuscripts of Shakespeare, of the playwright known as Shakespeare? Or is there nothing? Right now, people are still digging, still searching. They’re still adding to the story and still, after all this time, no one has reached the bottom, let alone found anything. Oak Island doesn’t just hide something, it creates something. It creates stories, six people have died from it, obsessions, legends. So the question then becomes, is there something there? Or is this just a legend that just keeps persisting because we can’t find anything?

I like to think of obscure stuff, because I’m like, what could be, this doesn’t sound like aliens because I don’t think they’re using coconut fiber to build tunnels. So I’m like, maybe what if the island was like some ancient creature? And they’re like drilling into its back and it hurts and so I don’t, okay. The reason I think of this is, it’s like the gas, they were like, oh, they died of poisoning. So maybe it’s just like they’re in some intestine that they drilled into and they got suffocated by it. It’s like a giant tortoise. Like ancient, because I feel like a giant underneath.

There’s all those theories which we should obviously do episodes on. But have you seen, there’s all these megalithic, like megalithic structures are just massive structures. Sorry, I meant like the beasts. Yeah, like beasts and also you’ve seen the ones where they have all these, look like they were giant massive cut down trees, but it makes it look like, oh, this was an old tree, an ancient giant massive tree, but the trunk is like, you know, 900 feet wide. And so there is a time you think, there were likely beasts that were that big, that were roaming the earth, these monstrous things. Yeah. Obviously it’s a fun theory. How realistic that is is probably zero, but I like to think of things like that. Okay.

But regarding this specific one, I was initially on board with it being pirates. Yeah. And then, you know, but then when you get into the fact that they actually had tunnel systems, which is wild. Yeah. I’m like, okay, I think we’re more on the idea of a more funded scenario. Trying to build the structure. Like the idea of the Knights Templar. That’s cool. Those guys were doing all kinds of shady stuff. Like dude, I’m on board. I mean maybe I’ve watched too many Da Vinci Code movies to be like, oh, they’re doing sketchy stuff.

I really like the Revolutionary War theory. Little British, that makes sense. I will add a little twist to it, which is that I do think it’s gone. Right? For sure. Yeah, we did a lot on the pyramids and the Valley of the Kings and you notice all of those tombs were pillaged. Oh, dude, one, the instantly pillaged. Right. They were just robbed. Yeah. Anything of value was taken. And that’s why King Tut was so famous, is because it was not robbed. It was all there. But I do believe that something was put there and then somebody already got it.

Well, here’s the thing, it’s been there since the 1700s. Like homies could have found some stuff and just taken it out. Like what about the three kids originally? Notice how they vanished out of the story. Yeah. They were like Rockefellers or something like that. That’s how they started the dynasty. But I feel bad for these brothers and the History Channel because I don’t feel like they’re going to find anything. Anything. But I also love the idea of it just being a giant troll. Like they did it and they were like, okay, we’re not burying this. Let’s just mess with them and make them think stuff’s there. I know.

But also, why don’t you excavate every, I know. Like you would think that we could do that. Like how do we not? The technology is there. The mega mining, if you’ve ever seen a legitimate mining operation. Yeah. Get down there. Billions of dollars pumped into it. But this is on a much smaller scale. You could easily excavate the heck out of this. Like everything could be taken away.

If you had a beer with these guys, the two brothers, do you think they would tell you, we’re not going to find anything? Oh, I think if I gave them enough beers they’d be like, we know there’s nothing here. Like, you know how much History Channel pays us? Like they know there ain’t nothing there. They’re like, this is how we live, bro. That’s how we feed our kids. Oh god. Like this is literally how they feed their kids. Yeah.

And with what I do in my actual job, well, this is my actual job, but the job that pays bills, I deal with these companies that are a lot of mining companies, and the amount of geological studies and the amount of effort and time they put into legitimate deposits, dude, it’s unbelievable. Yeah. That actually makes sense. They know, and they know. I’m sure they could do legitimate and they would be like, is this worth even going down here? Obviously this is a little bit different because this is buried treasure. This is not like you’re looking at geological deposits that are just in the ground.

So it’s not like, oh, we’re taking core samples, and we can see, okay, here’s the elements that we’re finding, it’s not the same process. But I think the technology is advanced enough now that they’d be like, okay, there’s potentially something down there and maybe we should check it out, or there’s like, this is a waste of time. And I think we’re at the waste of time portion of the story. No offense, History Channel. But I get it. I mean History Channel also, there was like 800 seasons of Pawn Stars. I mean why are we watching it? It’s entertaining.

Aren’t they lost, as a channel? Well, no. I mean they’re owned now, by Disney. Yeah. So Disney bought History and Discovery and I just think unfortunately people’s interest in history has declined. And with the new wave, kids these days don’t really give a damn about history. Which is unfortunate. I think history’s important. I think we should want to know what happened before. So that’s why these episodes stick, because there’s a never-ending hook. I think there’s a hook for the viewership that they have, but I think History Channel in general had to divert into these more reality shows. Yeah, exactly.

It’s like you’re into Pawn Stars, or the ones where they’re digging for gold. It is a hook. It’s the hook where you’re looking for the dopamine dump when they get some, oh, I found something. And it’s like a dopamine hit. You’re like, yes. My wife always complains about the shows because she says that if they actually found something, we would have heard about it before the recording. No, for sure. Right. Like if they found, you would have known instantly. So you know that it’s not, it’ll never happen. Yeah, there’s no payout. You’re just watching it for shits and giggles.

The same thing, my wife watches the reality shows. Yeah. And she knows they’re already divorced and like, but she’s still watching the past. Which is funny that, you know, I just said that we’re not interested in history, but they’re literally watching history because it was recorded 6 months ago. I was watching the past.

All right, well there you go guys. That is Oak Island, the treasure. It’s a cool story. I think it’s a cool mystery. But I don’t know if it holds. I wish there was something more. Yeah. I think that the real conspiracy is some sort of, it was a government agency or it was some elite group that maybe buried something there but it’s gone now. It’s gone now. Yeah, but I think that’s more or less the conspiracy, it wasn’t just pirates and there was something there and then people died and it became this whole folklore type thing. But lost to history really. Layers on top of each other.

I want to know who came up with the seven must die. I also want to know when the seventh person dies, what happens? I know. It’ll just like appear, like the little gold will disappear, the poor guy. Poor guy too. Dude, God. No, with the dad and the son and then the homies, bro. Stop going in holes. Stop going in the mud pit, man. You know what I actually thought of when you first brought up the story, I thought of the movie There Will Be Blood. I was like, Daniel Day-Lewis is out here killing these guys that are trying to get his oil, which is a fantastic movie if you haven’t seen it. Absolutely top tier. Oh, yeah.

All right, there you go guys. Let us know what you think if you believe in the Oak Island treasure. You know, there’s a lot more obviously if you wanted to deep dive even more. Yeah, and see a lot of video on it, go check out the History Channel. It’s the Oak Island treasure show. But one quick thing. We realized this whole entire mystery got brought up out of nothing. Yeah. Literally just because there was a hole, and there was wood, and homies dug a hole. It could have been a failed mining expedition. Yeah. Where they were like, ah, there’s nothing here. And that literally could be it. It could have been the treasure hunters before, placing wood, hunting for a treasure that existed in the earth. I know.

Well, sorry, there’s nothing more to the Oak Island, guys. I know. I wish there was. I know it’s so sad. I think Jorge on his flight thinks it’s aliens for sure. Yeah, totally. He 100% believes it’s aliens. Makes sense. I love that guy. All right, well we’ll catch you next time guys.