Hey guys, welcome back to The Conspiracy Podcast. Hey, uh, part two of Lizzy Bordon, the axe murderer, or maybe not, or find, or maybe, maybe, maybe. We’re going to solve this one today. I’ve already solved it, I just haven’t told you, uh, obviously, if you have not listened to episode one, then this is not going to make sense. Go back, go back. And it would just be, why would you do that? Who, who, who dives in and listens to Kind Pycho, just jumps to number two? What kind of Lizzy Boron? You know what, I’m only going to listen to every second episode. You know, I went to the upstairs, and then I went to the downstairs.

I was in the barn, I had a pair, and then an apple, I had three, I, I shredded it up, and then I went back downstairs to the pump. Yeah, no big deal, no big deal. If you guys don’t even know what that means, then go back to number one, point proven. So also, as a reminder, this is a VIP episode of Patreon. Thanks to CCE czzle, shout out CeCe, we, we appreciate your support, uh, really means a lot to us, it keeps the show going. And Capri and Dan, oh yeah, it’s Ben, that’s what I, yeah, Capri and Ben, said. I know, I was thinking like, I was thinking like big Dan, but it’s like Big Ben, that sounds way, it’s way, I don’t know why I [bleep] that up, whoops, we keep it in, we’re going to keep it in.

Oh yeah, I keep saying Dan, who the [bleep] is Dan, who the [bleep], Dan, bro, starting [bleep] between their relationship, it’s Ben. Ben’s like, who the [bleep] is Dan? I know, they’re both three letters, they’re both one syllable. I mean, come on, give me a break here. Now the research was done by Ben and Capri, and, and, uh, we appreciate you guys, we really do, thank you. Sean is the video editor, official video editor now, so he might keep that, he might keep that out, he knows what’s going to happen. You might keep that. I mean, I might do like a little, like superimpose myself over Capri and Bening, put some AI behind it, make me this, like I’m just, look like a Adonis over, like, so, so last time we left you off, we were, the trial was about to happen, the murders happened.

Yes, um, and you know, the, The Botch job of the police, I mean the worst detective work I’ve ever, Fall River PD is just [bleep], this, killing it, poor. Yeah, uh, so words spread quickly throughout Fall River following the murders of Abby and Andrew Bordon. By August 6, which was two days after, local newspapers began to question Lizz’s involvement. And by August 9th, a private inquest about the murders began, and Lizzie Bordon, among others, were questioned by the DA Nton. Uh, some new information was introduced throughout the, the course of the 3-day inquest. Now it’s kind of strange, because nowadays we don’t do private in quests before the trial, it’s kind of like hiring a PI, or, or, or a special committee is put together before the trial.

Mh, to, I guess, determine if charges were going to be brought against a person. So kind of, so maybe, maybe, no, what we do now, it’s like, this would be, that private inquest is more or less like the grand jury. Yeah, so you have a grand jury, or a judge, would determine if there’s enough evidence to go to, that’s what a, that’s exactly what a grand jury, but there wouldn’t be a jury, be a judge, it’s called a grand J. Oh, oh, okay, Sean, once again schooling us, but that doesn’t make sense though, because the jury, there’s no jury, there’s no jury, it’s just the judge.

All right, so a grand jury is a, it is, there is a jury, but this is the whole point of it, a group of citizens empowered by law to conduct legal proceedings, investigate potential criminal conduct, and determine whether criminal charges should be brought, a grandury, a grand jury may subpoena physical evidence or a person toest testify, a grand jury is separate from the courts, which just, which does not preside over its functioning. So it’s not like they’re on trial, they’re just, to like, they decide whether, okay, now you can take it to trial. So it’s very similar, where it’s like, hey, whether or not this should be taken the trial or not.

Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, so it’s similar, but it’s different, they kind of, they don’t go through the six-month, like drudgery, they just go, should it go to trial or not. Yeah, should it go, like, is there enough evidence that this should be tried, and if not, they’re like, no. And then it’s like, case, Smith. My assumption is, is that there could be an actual jury, or there could just be a judge, it’s, it’s that there has been, like, there’s things when they go and they’re like, here’s the evidence, and Jud is like, [bleep] off, like no, throw it out. Y. So during this three-day inquest, there’s a couple new pieces of circumstantial evidence that came forward.

Okay, Alice Russell, she said that two days before the inquest began, so right after the murder, she had gone to the Bordon home and found Lizzy burning a dress on the kitchen stove. Lizzy said that they had recently had, on the stove, Lizzy, a dress, here, don’t mind me. Lizzie said that they had recently had painters at the house, and she brushed up her backside against the wall, leaving a red stain on her blue codoy dress. Her sister Emma was present for this, and she vouged that, or she, she said that it had been her idea to burn the dress, because others might see that, that dress with a red stain on it as suspicious.

And Lizzy was wearing that blue dress on the day of the murders. Okay, come on now, but why, just, why, why would you burn it at the kitchen stove? Why would you just make a fire out back, going to burn it in a fire outside of the house. This house is nothing but, they got no wood, they got no, like, [bleep], no flints, no. Yeah, but no, just make a bonfire, like, buy the, this, like, but what, on the kitchen, isn’t the house going to be all Smoky as f, as easy to do it in the kitchen, why not? The [bleep], what are you talking about, have you ever tried to burn something on your stove?

Coming from the guy who’s like, why are they having breakfast tacos in Victorian Boston. So what’s crazy about it, or what’s weird is, is, uh, like the sister who wasn’t there the day of the murders said that she told her to do it. Wait, wait, remember Emma, Emma was a sister who, out, like, you should burn it, but during the trial, Emma said that she told her to burn the dress, because she would, because it would look suspicious. Yeah, yeah, I mean, maybe it’s just a sister trying to be a sister and being like, hey, I don’t know what you did, you know, what that, know what we have here, boys, we have the definition of a conspiracy.

Oh, that’s right, more than one person, that’s right, in cahoots to commit a crime, right, this is a [bleep] can’t conspirac, true, D, it falls under our perview. Maybe the sister was just not a snitch, didn’t want to get, snitches get stitches, and she was like, she’s like, I really can’t go for stitches right now, I don’t want to get an axe hatch it to my head. She like, you’re cool, burn girl, they deserved it. It does, it does open up that thing that we questioned about in the last episode, where, was, what did she do with all the blood, and, like, oh, so maybe she just took off the dress, but, like, took off the dress, put it, put it in, like, a closet, two days later she’s like, [bleep] it, I better burn this.

Maybe she had, like, a, put something on, like, like a [bleep] hairnet with a cloth or something. I’m going tell you right now, I would, I don’t know, I don’t know what they had back then, I would do the same for my brother, I would [bleep], be like, I’d back him up, I don’t want to [bleep], see, I would. No, no, honestly, honestly, [bleep] that, murder, dude, be honest. Yes, I would, really. Yeah, D, like, that’s, that’s why said, that’s why I was trying to cut through, that’s why I was trying to cut through, are you, murder situation. Here’s the thing, I just wouldn’t, I just wouldn’t be like, don’t say [bleep] to me, I’m just going to leave, I’m just going to leave town, I’m going leave town, I’m not going to say [bleep].

But to keep in mind, Emma didn’t necessarily know if she did it or didn’t do it, that’s what, I wouldn’t want to know that, I’m, I’m putting myself in Emma situation. Yeah, so she comes back into town, she comes back into town, you don’t really know, she doesn’t know for sure, I mean, maybe, you know, maybe you ask her and she’s like, no I didn’t do it, right, and you’re like, burn that [bleep], and now she’s going to be on Tri, like Ollie, burn that dress right now, he does love to wear dresses. Also, Brothers a loser. Okay, so also found out, uh, a day after the murders, the investigators figured out that Lizzy had attempted to buy something called pric acid, which is also known as cyanide, in town, allegedly, why, she, the sticky fingers.

She said that she was buying the cyanide in order clean seal skinin capes. Okay, and by buying we mean stealing. Yeah, by, and her dad’s like, fine. Now keep in mind, this is uh, 1890, or 1892, or whatever, so cyanite is not what we think of it now as, like, rat poison, or, you sure, it’s, it’s kind of, it’s a poison, but it, but it wasn’t like killing everybody, it wasn’t like what Hitler killed himself with. Oh no, they were like cleaning solution. Exactly. But also, what the [bleep] is a seal skin cake? True. I mean, I’m stuck on that, like, well, you’re like Rich, you’re going to the Show, I mean, well, I don’t know, Andrew was, me, the seal skin, Andrew was like the poorest rich guy I’ve ever heard of.

Yeah, but he’s gone. Oh no, he, wait, he’s not dead yet. Oh, he’s dead. Yeah, well, yeah, he is dead, but no, no, she went to go, she went to the day before. Yeah, exactly, but I’m GNA have to Google what a seal skin cape looks like, that sounds. Yeah, we, we got to put up a picture, we find rich, rich right there. So, uh, at that time you needed a prescription to, to buy it, so she was turned away by the pharmacist. Oh, okay, so she didn’t actually buy it, you need a prescription to buy it, cleaning solution. Yeah, the [bleep] okay. Strangely enough, two days prior to the murder, Abby had gone to see Dr.

Bowen, the same Dr. Bowen that they went to fetch him for, at his house. Um, and Abby had gone to see Dr. Bone and reported concerns of the whole family being sick. So the stepmom is Abby, Abby went to Dr. Bowen saying, I feel like everybody’s getting sick in the family. Oh, so she’s a sign, everybody remember, Maggie was like, I got, oh, after the biscuits or [bleep] cookies, the Johnny seeds, Johny, Johnny be goods. What, Ryan Reynolds here from Mmobile, with the price of just about everything going up during inflation, we thought we’d bring our prices down. So to help us, we brought in a reverse auctioneer, which is apparently a thing.

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I mean, do they even have the tech, 1890, this is 1890, corner and, he pretty much T takes the blood out and he’s like, yeah, seems legit. So I wanted to give you a little taste of the testimony of Lizzy, uh, it’s a little wild, so bear with me, and you don’t need to just be like, I don’t get it, because I feel like they should, you’re not going to get it, they should change like the reporting on, on, uh, like judicial matters, to the taste of the testimony. Yeah, I mean that’s, that’s kind, a little, slides right off the tongue there, taste, taste the testimony.

Okay, so the, uh, the, we call it the the lawyer says, do you know of anybody that your father was on bad terms with? Lizzie said, there was a man that came there that he had trouble with, I don’t know who the man was, there was a man, when, some time ago. Lizzy, I cannot locate the time exactly, it was within two weeks, that is, I don’t know the date or the day of the month, within two weeks. Okay, question, tell all you saw and heard. Damn, that’s like they’re blanket, like speak, Lizzy. Lizzy, I did not see anything, I heard the bell ring and father went to the door and let him in, I did not hear anything for some time except just the voices, then I heard the man say, I would like to have that place, I would like to have that store.

Father said, I’m not willing to let your business go in there. And the man said, I thought with your reputation for liking money you would let your store for anything. Father said, you are mistaken. Then they talked a while, and then their voices were louder, and I heard father order him out, and went to the front door with him, be gone, sir. Question, have you any idea who that was? Lizzy, no sir, I think it was a man from out of town because he was going home to see his partner. Question, beside that, do you know of anybody that your father had bad feelings toward, or who had bad feelings towards your father?

Lizzy, I know of one man who had not been friendly with him, they have not been friendly for years. She then proceeds to say somebody that’s not relevant to to the case, like, you know, it was random guy, past for Stevenson, back in witch. So here’s the, here’s the the point of this testimony, is this is when she’s saying, these are the possible people who killed him. Okay, I, I also, it’s pretty vague, I think it’s a spectacular, they have, there was a [bleep] stenographer, like in 1800, like writing this [bleep] down. Yeah, so Lizz’s testimon is extremely frustrating, if you wanted to, to read it all you could, it’s, it’s kind of psycho, like the whole thing is, like the whole thing is pretty crazy, and pretty, I don’t know, I don’t know where I was, I don’t know who it was, I don’t know when it was, I don’t know the date, I don’t know the month, sometime ago, some guy, within the last 30 years.

Some say she was trying to outsmart the DA, and clearly she did, I mean, let’s be honest. Yeah, and some say she had a vendetta against her father, or it may have been the fact that Lizzie was regularly receiving doses of morphine during the trial. I was going to say, keep in mind, time, she’s not very 100% with it. So she was given morphine almost every day during the inquest and the later trial, making her, I mean, nowadays it would almost make her testimony inadmissible, right? Oh dude, well, just, if you were, if you were testifying on drugs, it would 100, 100% like, true, yeah, it’s, you just can’t, can’t do that.

What happened, wait, Jiminy Cricket, what’s, you look cool. Yeah, so besides Lizzy, Emma, her older sister, also testified and provided her own alibi. While Emma was out of town for the murders, she did give the alleged advice to her sister about burning her dress on the stove, raising questions of whether or not Emma was an accomplice to the murder, or an accomplice to the after fact. Accomplice to like the cleanup? Yeah. Next up on the stand was Uncle John Morris, remember, Uncle, oh yeah, he, Uncle, stay there. Had been business related tension between Andrew and John in the past, uh, which was, I guess you would consider a potential motive, uh, but he was also quickly disregarded as a suspect, as he had a super airtight alibi, being out in town seeing shop owners, uh, he went to the post office and the postmaster was like, howdy friend.

Hey, Jo. Um, so he really couldn’t have been directly involved. Maybe involved. Yeah, the most important testimony, and the most coherent, came from Bridget. Bridget is Maggie, bridg is Maggie, was like, who, like the maid, uh, she raised questions on where Lizzy was throughout the day. She didn’t see anyone come into the house or any of the rooms while she was cleaning the windows that day, including when she came inside to wash the interior windows. So if you were going to go outside and you were going to watch the outside, sure as [bleep] you’re going to come back in and clean the inside. So she was coming in and out of the house?

Yeah, yeah. It wasn’t until she heard Lizzie laugh from upstairs that she started to get suspicious. Don’t be suspicious, don’t be suspicious. After he laid down, Lizzie said, Maggie, are you going out this afternoon? I said, I don’t know, I might and I might not, I don’t feel very well. Okay, if you, and Maggie says, if you go out, be sure to lock the door, for Mrs. Bordon has gone out on a sick call, and I might go out too. And so she’s saying this to, she’s saying that Lizzie said that. Oh, oh, okay, okay, okay. Then Bridget went upstairs to rest and was there for about 10 to 15 minutes before Lizzy yelled up for her, following Andrew’s murder.

Yes. She didn’t hear the screen door open, close, or slam during this entire time. But when she went downstairs, like, she didn’t see Lizzy smothered in blood? No, that’s, is, which is also interesting, she didn’t hear the murder, then her not hearing the door, it’s like, whatever, like, I know, right, you’re going to hear the screen door and somebody get axed to death, you’re like, I didn’t hear the screen door. During her testimony, she then described how easily it would have been to see Aby’s body in between the base of the bed and the floor. Oh. We, yeah, okay, so she was like, I don’t understand how Lizzy couldn’t have seen the body going up and down the stairs and in her own room.

Oh, I thought we were talking about Maggie. Maggie, Maggie brought it up in testimony saying, because we had brought it up, yeah. So Maggie was like, how did you not see her? She was like, I was still in the, still in the perks, like. Yeah, so she was dropped as a suspect, uh, was, yeah, and it was solely now on Lizzie, mean, she, I mean, in lie of the circumstantial evidence against Lizzy, that judge determined that Lizzy was probably guilty, like a high percentile chance. So back to what you were saying about, like, the judge deciding, or the Grand jury, or whatever, deciding if there should be a trial, they’re like, yeah, that was literally what he said, was, she’s, she’s probably guilty.

Yeah, like she’s not given one clear answer, definitive information this entire trial. So Lizzy was then arrested and moved to Bristol County jail, and she would be until her trial, which was a year later. Damn, oh damn. So she was in jail, in jail for a year? She, about 10 months she was in jail. Yeah, until her F, that sucks, I’m like, can I get like expedited, like, service here. So the Commonwealth of Massachusetts vers Lizzy A Bordon. Lizzy would be represented by a strong legal team, Johnny Cochr, Kim Kardashian lit, uh, Andrew Jennings and GE Robinson, who was the former Massachusetts governor. What? Yeah, she got the former Governor on the [bleep] on the payroll.

Interestingly enough, the inquest testimonies that we went over just now, mhm, were thrown out before trial. What? They were barred from being used because her council was not present, and therefore they felt they couldn’t use it as testimony because there was no lawyer present for the accused. Probably on purpose. Okay, tracking. Yeah, the frustrating part though, is that at that time that was allowed, so it was just a determination by the judge, they were like, well, look at her, she’s just a dainty little lady, she can’t, exactly, she know, she didn’t know no legal stuff, he’s joking, but that’s actually 100% right, like, that’s what happened.

Yeah, that’s what happened, like you’re right, she needs to be, how dare they not have. So at the trial the prosecution presented a Blue Dress, not the same blue dress that Lizzie burned, well, but a different blue dress, right, and the head of the alleged H Hatchet that killed the Bordens, and the skulls of both Andrew and Abby, uh, to show the damage and lack of control that the killer had. So it was just the head, yeah, and a random blue dress. Wow, like crush skulls and their skulls, yes. Yeah, crazy, I mean, this is a very bizarre evidential, evidentiary thing, here’s a Blue Dress, notice, it’s blue, next exhibit, like, what.

So a strange point of note in this chaos, now just imagine, there’s no cameras, but it’s all like a, like an artist, it’s a sc, he’s like drawing every, every situation that’s happening. So when they brought out the skulls in the, the hatchet, Lizzie fainted in the trial. Okay, this [bleep] is acting, this is like, this is lit, like I literally feel like I’m, it’s like the Johnny Depp trial, and, like, like, I can, to see her, like, fake fainting, and like there’s like a predetermined guy behind her, like, oh, you okay. So they had several witnesses on the stand that strengthened a motive and timeline for Lizzy.

Investigators also reported how unlikely it was that Lizzie spent time in her barn eating pears while Andrew was being murdered, let alone at all, because of how hot Fall River had been. So it’s mid August and you’re in the second floor of a barn eating pears, where all the heat goes, that’s got to be so hot, I mean, those pairs, how are they not spoiled. So what they’re saying is, is that, that she didn’t, it’s like a sauna in there, like, I don’t know about you, but I would be full drench, I would be Robin Williams on like a standup, can you, she’s wearing, and she’s wearing a course, you imagine like wearing like a vest, yeah, and nobody, I would just, oh, and no witness mentioned anything, perspiration, yeah, yeah, exactly.

So on the other hand, her defense team focused mainly on placing the doubt in the jury’s mind instead of proving in, that’s what they do, yeah, you prove reasonable doubt. They also really played on the idea of the fact that she was a small woman and was unlikely to commit a murder of such magnitude, such, it’s such in her favor, how could I do this, and at the time, it was, yes, it was a very like, like fragile woman, yeah, and this is such a brutal crime, I mean my God, yes, that’s right, it’s like very savage. So they also raised the possibility of unknown enemies that Andrew may have had through business dealings, and by attributing lizz’s confusion to the, uh, morphine that she was being given.

So it was all, uh, you know, tainted, it was a tainted testimony, how was that legal back in the day. Yeah, sedor trust, it’s going to work out great. So they were able to paint a picture of a possible stranger that came into the house, killed Abby, waited out for two hours for Andrew to return home, somewhere in the house, committed the second murder, and escaped the home without alerting anyone. I mean, this is where, like, his frugalness is actually, I mean, it’s a 3,000 square house, there’s not like that many places to hide, I mean, it’s not like it’s like a 25,000 square foot, like mega mansion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and if he was hiding outside somewhere, outside, like Maggie would have seen him. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he would just be like, a dude, who’s that guy over there, definitely stand out. Okay, Lizzy was just a grieving Christian woman who had just lost her father and stepmother and faint, oh, the skulls. Oh, her defense team delivered a closing line and it said, to find her guilty, you must believe she is a fiend, does she look it? What does that mean, like a fiend, like a, like a rabid, like I don’t know, like, like a evil kind of, you know, I somebody on an obsessive trait would be like a fiend of something, you, like a drug fiend.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard, think of like a rat, like. So the trial lasted 12 days, it was extremely publicized, and crowds gathered to await the verdict, it was very OJ like. Yeah, you know, it’s weird, like you say that she look like a fiend when she’s still, like she, they’re like, yeah, she actually, she actually kind of does look like, like asleep on the [bleep], she look like a crackhead, it’s like she is a fiend. By the 12th day, the jury went to deliberate, 10 minutes, damn, that was fast, jury came back not guilty. Wow, okay, 10, 10 minutes, 10 minutes, I mean, that’s fast as [bleep], that’s like in cup of coffee, we’re out.

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They like, I boned her, she doesn’t seem like a f to me, not guilty. Despite the verdict, saying despite, maybe I got a shot after this, know, that’s horrible, know, she said that she would do the the weird stuff with me if I, not guilty. Despite the verdict, citizens of Fall River believed that Lizzie was guilty, and she would go on to live a rather lonely life with the majority of the town shunning her. Oh, that makes sense. She moved out of the home and moved to the hill, the hill, I knew I was going to say the hill, she had, she moved to the hill, so she got what she wanted and she moved to the hill.

Um, instead of Lizzy though, she now went by Liz, she went, and she lived there with her sister Emma. Oh wow, that’s like two cat ladies, she never went to Mary, she never went, both of them, probably, she never got a job, she started, she threw a few lavish parties with celebrities and, el, oh, she, because she got the, she got the money, she, the cash, give me a cash, and apparently people and celebrities would go there just to go and see Lizzy B. Oh, for sure, I would like, kind of like almost kind of like OJ throwing parties afterwards, and you be like, I kind of want to see for myself, little, little selfie with him, I wouldn’t do the selfie but I would take a picture of it, I’m saying, other celebrities.

Oh yeah, so her older sister Emma would live with her on the hill until they had a falling out after 1905, and they never spoke to each other. She was ex, murdered, I don’t know, you know, that was 15 years later, you know, and they just had some falling out, and they never spoke to each other again. She was probably giving her sister like shitty allowance. Well, no, the older sister would have gotten more of it, it’s true, it’s true, sorry, more emmo. Yeah, the older, old got more inheritance. Yeah, usually, usually, not all the time, yeah, sometimes it split evenly, but, but for the most part it’s like your successor, your, uh, you know, that sort of thing.

Lizzy Elizabeth Bordon, she died in 1927 at the age of 66, damn, that’s [bleep], [bleep] nice, man. Eight days later, her sister Emma died. Damn, they were, must been super tight, the two sisters were buried, uh, at their family burial plot, side by side with their parents, the House where the The Bard and murders occurred is, can still be visited today, we got to check this out boys, we got do a little trip, I’m going to do like a little samples, sometimes the owners create a bed and breakfast, oh, at the Lizzy Bordon murder house where they give you, uh, Johnny Jacks, Johnny, Johnny cak, whatever, there’s no electricity and no plumbing, you still take shits outside, there’s no lights, $4.99 night, awesome, four stars, 125, Airbnb cleaning fee, [bleep] for the chemicals.

So, uh, you know, she, she died into myth and legend, you know, and she still, people wonder, I mean, it’s very much a campfire tale, you know, that, that poem that I had said at the beginning, and 40 stes, and 41 more, whatever the [bleep] he said, is he boring, that dirty hole, I like that one better, yeah, that one better. Okay, so one important detail that we, that we did miss was, um, if, oh, so if, if the mom, the stepmom would have died after the dad, right, then the inheritance would have gone to her. Well, like technically goes to her and then whoever she Lees.

Know, she, she would have, cuz there were separate inheritances for everyone, but the, but the stepmom got like the most. Yeah, correct, so like that most part would have then went to like, yeah, her family, and like, you know, the girls would have missed out on that. So what’s weird about that is, um, how the hell do they know who, who died first? I know, right, how they deter that, it seems like it was two hours ahead. How, F, how the fu, they know that [bleep], they couldn’t even, but isn’t there like coagulation of blood and stuff like that. Oh, really, coagulation blood, meanwhile they’re like, you’re giving way too much credit, meanwhile they’re like stepping, stepping [bleep] through the blood.

I know, how long does it take for blood to coagulate, I don’t know, I don’t know, it’s more than 2 hours, I feel like 10 or 15. But the job that they did, letting everybody run through there and, like, no control scene, like, they don’t sound like somebody, that they’re like, yeah, Rick Mor, sitting, look at this, judging by the size of these larvae, this is exactly, like, no, they [bleep], [bleep], yeah, well. So the obvious answer for the murders is Lizzy, I mean, it’s, it’s right, that’s the obvious one, her testimony was contradictory and made her seem even more guilty. She tried to buy poison the day before the murders, literally, she was openly unhappy, she had potential motive with the, the stepmom, because she just wanted the money, or she just, she hated her lifestyle, she’s been pissed about money for 20 years, then allegedly Dad raping her, you know, that could have been motive, or maybe she was really taken aback by some sort of sexual relationship with the maid, like maybe she was upset.

Also, maybe she was extremely upset about the pigeons being murdered, I don’t know, you know, some pigeons, yeah, well, I mean, you know, maybe it’s like your only thing, yeah, then your dad cuts their heads off, I don’t know, and so she kills him with the same axe, yeah, I don’t know, I’ll show you. Dad, kind of reminds me, have you, you ever seen that video of the dad that he mows over his son’s like video games, and he like freaks out, he’s like trying to teach him a lesson, it’s like the riding mode one of those like full [bleep] jets in like, it’s funny cuz he’s like sitting there, the motor’s going, or the, the La, you [bleep] do it, don’t do it, don’t do it, and then he like does it, he like [bleep] freaks out, is it an older, huh, is it an older video?

I don’t know, I don’t know, it was super legit, cuz it was literally like a standoff, like Dad is literally on the running mow, and like, is a pile of [bleep] sitting, and then he’s like, you, you get a [bleep] job, he’s like, I’ve been trying to get you to get a damn job for two years, he’s like, no D, and it was like playing cards, I think it was like Pokemon cards, or like magic C, video games, pretty sure it was like cards. Okay, and then like literally [bleep] shreds them all, we’ll find. So, like, you know, something like that could send you in a rage, never know.

While Bridget cleaned the windows, Lizzie had the opportunity to commit the crime unheard and unseen, and she had the time to clean herself up. We know that she locked the door, because her father later struggled to get in, preventing Bridget from entering the room had she wanted to. During the first murder, Lizzie brainstormed in a plan to say that her stepmother had gone out, while she was really just dead, buying her some time before anyone would see the body. For hi, the Blue Dress. Some argue that she had intentions to also kill her father, but perhaps also that she intended to kill the stepmother, and then her father just came in, and she killed him out of, out of, out of chaos and like momentary, no, hell no, cuz remember, I got, sorry, go ahead.

No, cuz remember, like, he was asleep, so it’s not like out of the moment, right, it was, it was definitely supposedly, could you, couldn’t you stage that. Uh, I don’t know, so, like, there it, I mean, I don’t know if you want to dive into it, there are photos, there’s crime scene photos of the dead bodies, we got put [bleep] like [bleep], we got to put that up on Pat, I know, yeah, but that’s like super, like, it’s gory, you know, but we’ll put on the Patreon, they’re paying for it, that, they want it, they want, but there’s an interesting fact, which is that his coat was rolled up under his head, but remember, she, she said she watched him take his coat off, I know, so maybe you a pillow, I mean, he seems like he didn’t, wouldn’t buy pillows, [bleep], [bleep] cheap as [bleep], yeah, surpris, he had a couch, just a strange, it’s just a strange part of the story, you know what I mean, yeah, many questions.

The lack of blood, that’s what I’ve been saying the whole [bleep] time, there be blood everywhere, I agree with that. Uh, Lizzy didn’t have a trace of blood on her, D, like, you know, like there’s like, how, like, oh, I think there’s like, what, eight liters, how much [bleep] blood’s in the, so here’s the theory on that, here’s the, very hard to get rid of that much blood on you, here’s the theory, she was a little crazy, and she did it all naked, no dude, naked, I think she maybe did the, my thing is, well, she could, know, cuz like four hours to do anything, she ended up, she ended up burning the Blue Dress though, true.

So I think maybe, maybe she wore the blue dress for one, and was like, oh [bleep], this is stupid, this doesn’t work, yeah, and then like, then she’s like, yeah, naked, like, and then maybe like the dad’s like sitting there, he’s like, what are you doing, like put your [bleep] clothes on, I know. I, I think if you’re going to do that kind of murder and that kind of rage, you’re not going to think through of, like, oh, maybe I should be naked so blood doesn’t get on my dress, I mean, I don’t think so, or maybe, may, you’re, you’re that crazy. You’re like, I thought through, another weird theor is, is that she used her father’s coat inside out and did the murders, and then pulled it back and then put it under her, his head, and they didn’t, like, they’re like, they’re like, I can just imagine the cop like, oh, coat trash, they’re trying to, they’re trying to figure out why his coat was covered in blood and rolled up his head.

Oh, oh, so she wears it, then she puts it under his head cuz it’s covered in blood, that’s actually not a bad idea, but that’s hell smart though, would be covered in blood cuz you hit him in the head 18 times, that’s, that’s why you would put it under his head, right, no, but I mean, if he was, say he was sleeping on it, and then you hit him 18 times, he took it off, no, but when, no, but the thing is, like, the reason that she would put it under his head is for that reason, it would be covered in blood, no, but he was saying, like, if he was wearing it, but no, he took it off, put it on, no, she was, she was saying the theory is that the, no, the theory was that Lizzy put it, put on his jacket, killed him, then rolled it up and put under his head, because I know, but it would be covered in blood, confusing, like tactic.

She’s like, I’m going to [bleep] put my [bleep] dad’s coat on, then kill him, then roll it up, so complicated. I know, she was, she was watching what, like Medal Forensic Files back in the day. See, my thing is, like, why didn’t they ask, why didn’t they ask the maid, like, okay, she was wearing this blue dress the day of the murder, where’s the Blue Dress, why didn’t they ask maid, like, when did she change, why did she change, like, or did she change, was she wearing the blue dress when you saw her, late 2 hours later, or she wearing something different, cuz, well, don’t forget, she went back to her room and laid down because she wasn’t feeling well, probably changed.

But why the [bleep], who the [bleep] changed. No, another theory is, is that there was a v vigilante running through Fall River, and a vigilante, vigilante, like a, or a murderer, yeah, murderer vigilante is like, trying to do good, yeah, exactly, they’re like a person doing bad, a criminal, a criminal, yeah’s like Batman, all right, he’s a good dude, Capri. Oh, oh, you’re blaming her, you’re blaming her, like, I’m, I’m going to voice over, and you’re going to say, I’m, be like, Eric, Eric, I can do voiceovers. Some believe that Lizzie may have had an accomplice, like Emma, or her Uncle, or Maggie, and even the local doctor Dr.

Bowen. Uh, Emma, although claiming the dress burning idea was her own, she was ruled out as a suspect cuz she didn’t really have a motive like Lizzie did, she didn’t really have, she wasn’t really at odds with the, she really care about the money. Her uncle had a strong alibi, but some alleged he was having an affair and helped Lizzie plan the murders. I mean, there’s so many stories going on this, is, well, you know, this is the hot gos, this is like small town go, they like, what, you know, what, you, what, I heard one of those like DB Cooper situations where everybody has a story, everybody wants to like put their two cents in there, then the death bed, the guy’s like, I’m, I’m the ma, I’m like, what, I did it.

So some say that Bridget could have, or, or Maggie could have been present for the second murder, and, and was washing windows to build an alibi during the first murder, so they did it together, one did one and one did the other, and then, you know, dude, that’s, that’s, that’s where I’m at, bro, that’s what I was thinking after the first episode. So the doctor, some believe, came in and out of the The Boarding House following the murders and helped destroy evidence for Lizzy, because he may have liked her, and invited her to the movies a couple times, and that was a witness that said that, go to the cinema, and he’s like, go the popcorn, like, come on, have a grab, have a taste, of course, of course, these are all hearsay witness testimonies, and, you know, inquest, not necessarily the trial, and that sort of thing.

So but now let’s just say, CU, I know all evidence points to Lizzy, so let’s just say it was not Lizzy, was it a stranger, a random act. A trial discussed other related crimes in the area and found that in May of 1893, another woman had been bludgeoned 23 times with a hatchet, oh wow, also in the daytime, however, she was robbed, and they figured out who did it, so, so it was solved. Yeah, but they, but it could have been like a, almost like a serial case, somebody with a hatchet, just saying, it was a nearby, it was similar, very similar circumstances, and the, the weapon, the hatchet, was found at the scene of that crime, uh, there were similarities, but it was ruled unrelated because the killer was not even in the United States at the time of the Bordon murders.

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I like that theory. Yeah, so I don’t know, it’s a, it’s, it’s the classic, it’s the who done it series, it’s the the murder mystery, it’s the, you know what, H, you know, it’s a classic, honestly, it’s, it’s like the OJ trial, right, but, but [bleep], 40 years ago, I, I know, exactly, I know, I got it, I sold it, I L sold it. Okay, so we got no more papers, now it’s all go time. Okay, okay, all right, so it was, it was Lizzy and Maggie, so they both did, and I thought this after the F, I thought this after the first, after the first episode, so hear me out.

So I think that they both had, I think Lizzie had her, like, her issues with both, I think she, I think she had more issues with the mom, the stepmom. Okay, I think she like, just a [bleep], I think she had [bleep] with her dad, but like she was more pissed off the stepmom, and I think Maggie was probably had [bleep] with with the dad, either, maybe he, you know, maybe I, I, I don’t know if, I don’t know if, now when you say [bleep], you mean like he was raping her, sexual assault? I don’t know if it was sexual assult, or it’s like getting paid, getting paid [bleep] money, and I think they were, she probably happy to have a job.

No, what the [bleep], you should be happy you’re working here standpoint, you can be happy you’re employed. No, just imagine it though, imagine, like, okay, like, Li, Lizzy’s growing up like this, she’s constantly like at odds about this money thing, then you have, like, when he’s going to work, it’s just her at home, and who’s there to commiserate with, the maid. So they become homies, they’re like, they talk to each other every, they’re, you don’t [bleep] talk to anybody else, like, obviously with her sister she talk to her sister, but like, I think her and the maid eventually started commiserating, and, and maybe she was like, hey, like, you know, this has been happening with your dad, may was doing advances, or maybe just paying her like [bleep], or or whatever the case may be, and then they were like, they started plotting, and hear me out.

Y, so I think Lizzy, I think Lizzy kills the mom, stepmom, in the morning, first thing, like 9:30, the maid knows, and the maid is outside, and, and so, blah, blah, blah, that happens, Lizzy goes, Lizzy changes, then the maid lets the dad in, gets him [bleep] cozy, cozy on the couch, [bleep] kills him, and then two hours later. Mm, okay, and then, I, so when did the maid find out about the mom? No, I think they were in together, I think it was a plan, I think it was a plan to like do that, and then Liz breaks off the maid a little bit of cashola on the back end, because there their sto, since their stories, like, there was, but it almost seems like they turned against each other on during the trial, you know what I mean.

No, because, because if you, if you actually look at what, what the maid says about Lizzy, she never says anything really incriminating. Yeah, she just, she just says like, well, I did the lock thing, and she’s like, well, I greeted my dad, and then she was like, well, I didn’t hear a door, and then she never was like, well, Lizzy was acting weird, or, you know, I saw Lizzy, and this and that’s why I thought like the dress thing, like, well, I, Lizzy changed clothes, which I thought was odd, like, nothing, there’s nothing incriminating, and they, the whole point of a trial is to cause reasonable doubt.

So I think by, by their conflicting things, it just got so confusing that the jury was like, [bleep] this, like, 10 minutes and we’re done. Yeah, they’re like, we’re, I don’t want to be here any longer, [bleep] this [bleep]. Yeah, so I think they were in it, loser juries, or jury. Oh my God, nowadays people are like, people just disagree, just disagree. Yeah, yeah, 10 minutes though, that’s so fast, yeah, I mean, but 12 days, that’s an interesting, that’s an interesting theory. No, they, it’s not a theory, it’s the truth, it’s bad, it’s what happened. Yeah, it’s not bad, it’s not bad, it’s what happened, because otherwise there’s no way that if it was just one of them that the other person doesn’t know, or have, she’s, they’re all, they’re all in the house, there’s in the [bleep] house, this is not, this is not like a a sniper shot in a closet, this is 18 to 20 wax each, and if you, dude, I’m sorry, if you’re different floors, if you’re the maid, and over a [bleep] multiple hour period, you don’t, like, Walts upstairs to like check on the situation, like, what the [bleep], or, like, you know, Lizzie doesn’t, it’s, there’s, it’s impossible that one of them didn’t notice that there was a dead body in there for 2 hours, it’s, one of them would have [bleep].

Yeah, okay, one of them is, who, the Lizzy, or, um, Maggie, and, yeah, so Bridget Maggie, so Abby, Abby and Andrew are the dead ones, and then, yeah, and then Magie, sister in town, she’s in town, who else was there, out of town, it’s the maid, Maggie, Bridget, and Lizzy. Oh yeah, they’re in cots, yeah, I know, but you said that one of them wouldn’t notice that, the, no, meaning if the, if only one did it, oh okay, the odds of, the odds of the other person in the house not realizing that something’s aloof. He’s saying, he’s saying, upstairs, say Lizzy whacked the mom 20 times, and she’s outside when, like, the maid is like cleaning the windows and doesn’t notice, he’s saying that’s, doesn’t notice anything off, no scream, no screams, no blood, no like [bleep], and she’s cleaning the inside of the windows and the floor.

No, but then she goes inside, cle floor windows, she’s like roped up with a pulley, I, she like, scaffolding buil up, I know, yeah, she’s defin doing, no, but then you go inside, and, like, you wouldn’t, like, you would, you would H, come on, like it’s just the odds are like astronomically low, astrof [bleep] nomically low. Oh, he’s on the edge, know about that, agree with me now, fine, I like it, I actually think it’s a grounded, I think it’s a grounded thing, you don’t have to agree, I like it, I don’t necessarily agree, I think that it, it was all on the just straightforward, it was motivated by years of, like, the dad keeping, you know, the money from her, and, and running this, like, you know, you, you like this thing, lights, no plumbing, nothing, you’re poor, you’re poor, and she, you know, she wanted that, and every time she would go out she’d probably get bullied about it or something like that, right, and so, like, that started to like brew, and like it started a m, 20 years later, [bleep] this, and she’s like 30 years old now, she like, add to that the stepmom, she don’t like the stepmom, she, she hates the stepmom, right, and, oh, she waited, till, waited till her sister left, knew her sister was going to be there, doesn’t want to incriminate her, they’re homies, she loves her, exactly, not bad, and that’s the fact that Maggie didn’t hear anything about the mom getting murdered, I just think, I mean, it is kind of weird, like, no screams, no nothing, but we did, we did, um, according to what we were reading is the first blow was deadly, both kill shot.

Yeah, so maybe there’s no, there, there’s no screams, there’s no screams, true, it’s like boom, true, you know, dead, wouldn’t hear, and, and then it’s just like rage, [bleep], how do they know what the first blow was though, with their [bleep], that’s a good point, crack detective, were, I mean, I know, right, yeah, I mean, axe to the face, I mean, yeah, while whilst that sucks, it doesn’t necessarily, if it’s a big house like that, 20, 20 swings, there’s got to be a way for, there’s got to be a way for her to get out, escape, go, like, eat some pears, yeah, eat some pears, 100% sure she went somewhere, got cleaned up, she came back, and it was already like premeditated that she was going to take the dad out too, because she wanted the money.

I think the whole motivation really behind it, yeah, I think the whole motivation behind it is money, I think that sus, I think she was so caught up in like the whole social life of it, life aspect of it, she stealing [bleep] from stores, well but that’s because she couldn’t [bleep] have any money, and even though she knew she could buy it, but she couldn’t, cuz it was the dad’s money, right, and so, so that means she wanted it, but she couldn’t have it, so she had to steal it, so the only way to like go legit and like really get what she always wanted was to have this inheritance, see, my only, she got to get, take the mom out, cuz then of course she wouldn’t get any inheritance if she was, she was still alive, but my only hole in that is like, is it really worth a double clean up, clean up twice, two or three hours later, change, you know, most long, somebody get my caret, like, why do the double, you think the waiting had to do with the inheritance, remember what we talked about, oh, like killing, the making sure everybody knew that she died first, no, I, I, I think that was on accident, I think it was an accident, like, a happen, I think she had more rage for the mom than she did for the dad, [bleep] hater, yeah, yeah, I think she just [bleep] hated her, and then the dad was more about the motivation about the money, and she’s like, both of them got to be gone for, for this to, and I can’t see her thinking through, I can’t see her thinking through, like, oh, in order to get this more in her, and it’s, I got to kill, I don’t, I don’t see that thought happen.

I think the sister just Emma, yeah, yeah, the sister Emma, I think that she told her to burn the thing because she probably believed that she wasn’t the one that did it, and she wanted to back her up, and, like, not see her go to [bleep] jail, in jail, and like I should, I just thought of a [bleep] some crazy [bleep], what, what if, what if, what if Emma was the one who, like, had been like putting this [bleep] seed in, like, her [bleep] little crazy little sister’s head the whole time, like, man, I wish they would just die, or the poison, yeah, like man, like, so maybe the poison was Emma, our lives would be so much better, Lizzie, if they weren’t here, kids are [bleep] up.

I know, like, I’m going to go to the store, Emma, if they’re not here when I get back, that’s fine, love you, wink, wink, wink, yeah, like, look, lookn, win wink, God, I think I left my hatchet in the [Laughter] basement. Okay, yeah, and then, you know, maybe the pigeon situation thing, she’s really a psycho, like something like that could set her off, dude, that’s [bleep] up, maybe we don’t relate to the pigeon, but like, but maybe for her that was like life, yeah, exactly, she doesn’t go anywhere, she can’t buy anything and go out and have fun, that’s her pet, that’s her fun, that’s her, like, her babies, she don’t have a husband, she don’t like have any babies, for real, like, so that was it for her.

Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, I got something similar, it’s a little, a little bit more on Sean’s side. Okay, um, but I kind, I believe it was Lizzy, [bleep], you, no, no, I believe it was Lizzy, um, but I believe they knew about it, who knew, who, you say they, Maggie and Emma? Maggie and Emma. Oh, they both knew and they were just like, yeah, [bleep] it, and they just let it happen, like, kind of like complacent, like, yeah, just I’m just not going to stop it, yeah, and I’m going to help you, and I’m going to help cover it up, and you know, it happened, these guys like, they were abused, or they were [bleep] up, or cuz, like, all of that weird stuff about the money, and the plumbing, and, and all that sort of thing, it’s a lot, it’s actually, it, it, it feels like there’s something else, like, he’s, it’s actually like drug money, he’s like, or, no, like abusive, or like there’s, there’s more, his control, love, can I control you, that’s all we know, that’s just the parts we know.

So there’s got, I felt like there’s more, maybe the dad, a real piece of [bleep], he’s like touching every piece of [bleep], and so then Lizzie was just crazy enough to do it, and then they were like, you know what, maybe they killed the mom too, because she knew about it, and she wasn’t doing anything, she was [bleep] too, whatever, and so then, and then she was a [bleep] too, [bleep] her, so then, uh, uh, Maggie and Emma were like, you know what, it was the right thing to do, and now we’re going to have to like, we’re have to cover this up, and the jury hated the dad, or sympathize with Liz.

I think it was maybe everybody in town, like, hated it, they, the whole, like, they’re not, knew his reput, reputation, the jury, the jury party sucks because I feel like the the lawyers just did a good job, I think, I know I hate, I feel like the DA just like really [bleep] up, they brought a random blue dress, like, y all [bleep] up at that point, like, at that point you don’t think that that like proper woman can do 40 [bleep] axes, wax to the, to the face, especially to her dad, right, you know, they’ll be like, my daughter would never do that to me, I don’t want to believe, giving the lawyers like too much credit for being like good lawyers, like back then, I feel like it was just kind of me, honestly, honestly, there was the golden age of being, I know, there’s like no evidence at all, I can’t lose, I know, you’re literally like, they’re like, look at her, does she look like a woman, do you, yes, innocent, that was, that was the time of the lawyer where you could argue the [bleep] out of anything, you didn’t even need a degree, his pretty blue eyes are beautiful, look at how fit she is, she’s fit as [bleep], she could, some childbearing hips right there, she’s still, she’s still waiting for her first child, you think she would rob herself of her first, dude, that, you, so we all agree, we all agree, Lizzy had something to do with it, 100% Lizzy had something to do with it, un, maybe each of us have our alteration of, oh yeah, you’re like, everyone’s in on it, Jorge is like she’s a psycho, and I’m like she’s in it with the maid, I don’t think she was bone in the maid, do you think the maid did some whacking, oh, I think the maid for sure did one of the wacking, I think the M K, I think the M kill the dad, and I think Lizzy killed the mom.

Okay, okay, okay, all right, well, uh, we’d love to hear what you guys think, we’ll do a poll, obviously, yeah, many options, be like, Lizzy solo, Lizzy plus M, Lizzy plus family, but now theing, town was, the town liter has come together to lynch it, but now, if you’re at a campfire and you’re doing scary stories, you can tell the story of Lizzy, can I give me the first page of the, and, yeah, you want to wrap it up with the, with the poem, R, I do want to wrap it up. Lizzie Bordon took an axe and gave her mother 40 wax, and when she saw what she had done, she gave her father 41, and then, if you go down, you can hear the even, the last, the last, close your door and lock it and latch, close your door, lock and latch it, cuz here come Lizzy with a hatchet, dude, that’s [bleep] legit, can you imagine being in A campfire, and just [bleep] with the the flashlight and going, oh my God, like a flask, and, like, you’re like, good night kids, and they’re like, what, you’re like, [bleep] this, or you guys could just play these two episodes and let us do the talking.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, I know. Well, don’t bring your kids, because they, they’re not going to be happy about that, but there you go. Thank you, CCE, uh, this is one’s for you, and, uh, again, Caprice and, and, uh, and Ben, and Ben, I didn’t [bleep] it up that time. Yeah, we appreciate you guys, and seriously, it’s so awesome, we’ll catch you guys, uh, next time. Huh, see you guys, night. And night.