Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. What up, people? How’s it going? Hope your Tuesday’s well. Hope it’s not too hot.

I’m melting. Yeah, we’re melting, so It’s you guys are here. Shout out to the US soccer team playing right now. Go get them, boys. I mean, yeah, they’re crushing it.

I mean, this is obviously you’re getting to listen to a delay, but Yeah, they’re killing the game right now. They’re doing good. Yeah. Anyway, so if you have not listened to This is part two of Noah’s Ark. Uh if you did not hear part one, definitely go back, listen to that before Yeah, just do yourself a favor.

Why would you want to go straight to Yeah, it’s like it’s just Yeah, it’s just stupid. In the first episode, we went over the main story of Noah, and also the the the history of it kind of going back, you know, the different stories that were not exactly Noah, but the other stories that they were so similar. Yeah, so similar. So, go back to that and and and as we move forward in this, we were about to get into the boat that’s in the rock. Oh, yeah.

So, 18 mi south of Mount Ararat summit at an elevation of around 6,300 ft, there’s a formation in the mountains of eastern Turkey that looks like a boat. And Jorge had just questionable. Well, it’s like a vague Yeah. Well, Yeah. It’s more to say it’s like a divot.

Yeah. But it’s huge. But some people say it’s unmistakable. Like it’s ob- Trust me, that’s what it looked like. Trust me.

No, but it’s It’s also like you want to believe. It’s like you want to believe it, and then so you’re like, “It’s so obvious.” Like, hello, it’s the most obvious thing I’ve ever seen. Yeah. We’re going to post it.

We’ll put it in our Patreon, all the different uh imagery. Yeah, and we’ll do a little poll. Yeah. What do you think? Yeah.

Like when uh like when that Jesus silhouette shows up on the toast. Like [laughter] it’s like, “I trust me, this is what it is.” It’s unmistakable. Actually, isn’t there a place like [snorts] I don’t know where where there’s a the Virgin Mary. Yeah, there’s some sort of stain on a building and it’s turned into a shrine.

[laughter] Sean’s face. I mean, just I don’t know. It’s crazy though. It’s a miracle. for so much straws though.

At least what, 20 years? Like it nobody touches that building. It’s just But now that building is not even worth anything because it’s turned into a shrine, Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can’t sell it or Can you imagine being like the owner of the property? So, but in the images it’s a long oval ship-shaped outline.

I could see I can I can see you saw the image? I I saw I can see like You could see if you want to see. Yeah. I can see how they how they can to see it. My thing is it’s I can see how they like people who are fanatical about it are are like, yeah, for sure.

Yeah. That I can see it. I can see I can understand why they’d be like, yes, cuz it it’s possible. It’s not like how have we just seen this now? Oh, this came out like years ago, bro.

I know, but like I’m talking about in the grand scheme of this, which is millions or thousands of years. and bro. They didn’t 4K have been searching for this for a long time. Long time. Yeah.

Maybe they didn’t have the resources. region. In in this region, yeah. Anyways. So, it’s a long oval ship-shaped outline with a raised central ridge running its length sitting in the surrounding landscape like something that was set down there and then swallowed by the earth.

It’s 515 ft long. Okay, so it’s like Yeah. It very very close. I mean, if you if you listen to the last episode we went over the the size. Well, cubits aren’t exact.

We were guestimating. We were guestimating. Yeah. A Kurdish farmer noticed it after heavy rain and earthquake in 1948 near the Earthquake, really? Interessante. [laughter]

Near the village of Uzengili sometimes written as Nessar in the Do u Bayazit district of Agri. Oh my god. What the just happened? [laughter] Where am I? Are you possessed?

But Eric speaking in tongues right now. [laughter] We’re talking about the ark. Three years later in 1951, a Turkish army captain named whatever his name is. It doesn’t even matter. Yeah, Turkish army captain guy.

[clears throat] We’ll call it Ilhan. Ilhan was an army captain. He was conducting aerial photographic surveys for a NATO mapping mission when he spotted it from the air. The photograph was striking enough that it circulated internationally and prompted a 1960 scientific expedition. The The geologist who came out, looked at it, declared it a natural formation. Okay. Said

it was a geological fold and went home. Oh well, that was quick. It’s a fold. The world moved on. Like a fold in the earth Yeah, in the earth and maybe like a Okay.

Yeah, it’s like a natural like it’s like a natural quesadilla. [laughter] It’s like a folded over quesadilla. And now it’s Yeah, now it’s just Yeah, exactly. So then a man by the name of Ron Wyatt arrived. Ron Wyatt was a nurse anesthetist anesthetist Wait, a what?

anesthetist No, it says anesthetist. Okay. I don’t know what that is. Sure. Cuz I would have assumed it’s an So, anesthetist is a highly trained health care professional responsible for administering anesthesia, managing pain and monitoring a patient’s vital functions before, during and after surgical Maybe it’s the same Maybe it’s the Maybe it’s the same thing.

It’s same same. Yeah, same same. yeah. Okay. So, [snorts] he’s from Tennessee.

He had no formal archaeological training. And Oh, sorry. One more thing. So, that’s more like a UK, Australia Mhm. No, in the United States it’s anesthesiologist.

Okay, there you go. That clears it We had to we had to change it. Classic classic yeah. They’re like, “No, no, no, that’s not good enough for us.” No, he’s got to be an ologist.

to name yeah. [laughter] It’s not a flat, it’s an apartment. Clearly. It’s a garage. Yeah.

You’re not going to the loo. [laughter] It’s the Get it right. [snorts] Okay, so he had no archaeological training. But, he had an absolute unshakable conviction that this formation was Noah’s Ark. Okay.

going to make it Noah’s Ark.” He made his first trip in 1977 and did not stop going back for 22 years. He did it 25 trips in total over that time. He ran his own ground penetrating radar surveys and claimed to detect internal rooms, corridors, and deck structures beneath the surface. I should have been an anesthetist.

Yeah. 25 trips? He pointed to anomalies in his metal detector readings as evidence of iron fittings arranged in a regular grid. He identified large flat stones in a nearby village as anchor stones he believed had been attached to the drifting Ark. He brought back samples and he claimed that they were petrified wood.

That’s a lot of claims. In 1985, Wyatt was joined by two men who brought more scientific credibility to the investigation. One man named David Fasold and a geophysicist named John Baumgardner. That’s a good name. Almost a good name.

Yeah. Together they measured the formation and reported its length was consistent with biblical 300 cubits. Fasold published a book making the case that this was in fact the ark. Then later on he reversed his opinion. [laughter] After further analysis and exchanges with mainstream geologists, Fasold concluded the site was most likely a natural geological syncline and became one of its most informed skeptics.

So, he full reverted. Oh, wow. Baumgardner maintained his interest in the investigation. going to say like somebody check his accounts. Yeah.

Like some uh wire transfers went through and he’s like, “You know what? So, I don’t believe it. Change my mind. So, Baumgardner maintained the interest and the two men ended up on opposite sides. And what’s crazy it’s like Shawn and I go to Loch Ness.

Mhm. And then we go there together, we do the research, and then we come back and I’m like, “That’s definitely Loch Ness is there.” And then he’s like, “Nope.” I don’t I don’t believe it. Yep.

I’m not believing you. Anyways, the scientific community was unconvinced. The petrified wood samples tested as limonite, a common iron-bearing mineral that forms naturally in volcanic terrain. The anchor stones were identified by other researchers as tombstones. The radar interpretations were disputed and Wyatt did not help his own credibility by also claiming over the course of his career that he found the ark of the covenant. Oh,

god. [laughter] He said he found it beneath Jerusalem and that was the original location of Mount Sinai, the site of the crucifixion and the actual physical uh blood of Jesus Christ. But, here’s the thing that matters. The formation was not Ron Wyatt’s discovery. It was photographed by a NATO military captain 6 years before Wyatt was even born. It was investigated by geologists before Wyatt even heard of it. And it has continued to be investigated by credentialed researchers since he died in ’99.

The site exists independently of Wyatt’s claims about it, and it deserves to be evaluated independently of him. Sure. I agree. Independent evaluation’s good. The Turkish government recognizes it. They built a national park around it. Kill

it. And it’s now designated and called Noah’s Ark National Park. Oh, how convenient. A government a visitor center sits at the formation. They have park rangers.

Tourists. Tourists, etc. So, in 2019 to get in. Yes, exactly. Actually.

Yeah. It’s kind of like if you’ve been to Area 51, they have that stuff now. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh.

And they’re going Like tourism. But that’s more like independent. Yeah. Right? I don’t know if the government has their own.

Yeah. Yeah. We didn’t make a national park out of it. For two grand, you can just go in. [laughter] In 2019, a team led by independent researcher Andrew Jones from an organization called Noah’s Ark Scans conducted 3D ground penetrating radar of the site.

Um Now, I want to see these scans. Show me the scans. Man, it all works by sending radar pulses into the ground and measuring the reflected signals. Different materials reflect differently. So, dense rock reflects one way, voids reflect another, organic material reflects another. The technology is widely used in archaeology, engineering, and forensic investigation. it

for the pyramids? I don’t think so. No, I think they used something different. Yeah. Radar. Yeah.

It doesn’t dig anything up. It creates a picture of what’s underneath. So, possibly though, you know. Probably something similar, but yeah. Technology, science.

When the team So, when the team analyzed the 2019 data in 2023, they reported finding three distinct things. A central corridor running approximately 234 ft along the interior. Um and roughly 20 ft below the surface and three separate horizontal layers consistent with the biblical description of the ark’s lower, second, and third decks. Within that central corridor, scans also identified what appeared to be tunnel-like features approximately 13 m long cutting through the formation’s interior. So, they’re saying that like this these are something.

They found something. They found something, yeah. In 2024, the team collected 88 soil samples from 22 locations both inside and outside the formation perimeter. The results were analyzed in December of that year. The soil inside the boat-shaped outline showed significant elevated levels of organic matter and potassium compared to the surrounding volcanic mudflow terrain. Okay, all like the feces. Yeah.

The skeptical counterargument is real and should be stated clearly. The formation has been argued by mainstream geologists to be a natural uh formation, a type of geological fold that forms when rock layers compress and bend. Yeah. The right angles detected by GPR, which is that tech that we were talking about, might have natural geological explanations. The elevated organic matter and potassium inside the perimeter could reflect vegetation differences. A different plant community inside the formation versus outside, etc. But,

it doesn’t really explain the three corridors. Yeah. Yeah. Very true. the organic matter.

And all of this remains interpretive until physical matter is fully extracted from beneath the surface and analyzed. That extraction is what the team announced for 2025 Oh, yeah. and 2026. So, their plan is to do core drilling. Physical samples pulled from the depth. It’s It’s If those cores come back as containing ancient timber, then

it’s a whole different story. exactly. At 20 ft below the surface of the formation in the mountains of Eastern Turkey, it will be the most significant archaeological find in history. In history, really. If they come back with undifferentiated volcanic rock, then that settles it.

Yeah. I mean, that’s a formation. Yeah. So, So, basically, we’re going to do a update episode. Yeah.

[laughter] Yeah, right. Exactly. Later this year or next year. But, it’s cool because it should put it to rest, actually. Yeah, that should be like what is something like something that’s more definitive than what we have.

Yeah, exactly. You have one new message. And if there’s nothing there, then it just like back to And then back to searching, back to the it’ll be like they they it up and blah blah blah and then in 20 years they’ll be like still talking about it. So, there’s one more piece of the story that does not get enough attention. The question of whether Noah’s Ark has been found is separate from the question of whether a catastrophic ancient flood actually occurred.

And on that second question, the evidence is considerably stronger. In ’96, two marine geologists at Columbia, William Ryan and Walter Pitman, published research that had come from probing the floor of the Black Sea. What they found was this, the Black Sea, which is now a saltwater body connected to the Mediterranean, uh was once a once a freshwater lake. Oh, A large one. Very interesting.

Sitting hundreds of feet below the level of the surrounding oceans, sealed from the Mediterranean by a narrow land barrier. So, around 5600 BC, so approximately 7,000 years ago, the barrier broke. The Mediterranean, swollen by melting ice age glaciers, had been rising for centuries. When it finally stopped or topped the land bridge and poured through, Ryan and Pitman calculated that the force at roughly 200 times the volume of Niagara Falls. Holy Damn.

The freshwater lake below was inundated with saltwater. Every freshwater creature in it died. Oh, for sure. Yeah. The shoreline, which had been relatively stable for a thousand years, while ancient farming communities built their settlements along it, moved inland at a rate of a mile a day.

Yeah, I wonder if the fish have like the same prophecies like and then the salt water came and [laughter] nuked their entire population. So the communities were drowned, entire settlements drowned, villages, farmlands, the infrastructure of a thousand years of settled life went underwater in weeks. The people who lived there fled in every direction, north into Europe, east into Central Asia, south into the Levant and Mesopotamia. And wherever they went, they carried the memory of what happened, which was the world ended. Legit.

Without warning, everything was gone, massive floods. So there are other mountains that are possible candidates. The alternatives are worth noting. The Quran is specific on this point in a way that often gets overlooked in Western discussions. Surah 11:44 states that the ark came to rest on Al-Judi, not Ararat. Al-Judi, which Islamic tradition generally identifies with Mount Cudi, a peak in the Sirnak province of southeastern Turkey near the modern borders of Syria and Iraq. Mount Cudi was the dominant identification for the ark’s landing place in early Syriac Christian tradition as well and early Jewish Aramaic texts and and across Islamic scholarship.

So the point being is is that in different Yeah, it’s like people It’s in different Yeah, just different regions, etc. So this view is not the same as saying the story is empty, meaning the flood tradition preserves something real about human experience, the terror of catastrophic inundation, the miracle of surviving, the overwhelming obligation of gratitude to whatever power or God that you subscribe to. Whether that experience came from one event or many, whether it was transmitted through the Black Sea or Mesopotamia or both, the story is a genuine ancient memory or one could consider it history. For sure. But, where does that leave us now? The ark has not been found. Uh the formation that we had described has not produced confirmed ship timber.

No inscription, no tool mark, no artifact has been definitively extracted from it. Mainstream archaeological position remains skeptical and anyone who tells you the case is settled in the other direction is getting ahead of it. But, the flood tradition is too old, too geographically specific, and too consistent across so many cultures to dismiss it as a random myth. Ancient Mesopotamian writers place the story in real cities with real archaeologists. So, either way the story doesn’t end because the question was never really whether this is a 4,000-year-old boat in the mountains of Turkey. The question, the real question, the one that 217 cultures have been asking in their own languages since before anyone had written anything down, is whether the world was once destroyed by water, Okay. whether someone survived it, Mhm.

and whether God caused it, told it to be so, or whatnot. Yeah. So, here are the theories. The theories of the ark. Yes. [clears

throat] As we melt. It’s [laughter] hot. It’s hot. Okay, theory one. And this is you went out you saw the images, etc.

Yeah. Uh the 515-ft formation near Do Bayazit. I know, right? Maybe this pronunciation key is not helping. [laughter] We’re making it worse.

So it’s the petrified and compressed remains of Noah’s vessel. The dimensions match Genesis within the range of cubit estimates. The location falls within the ancient Urartu region. Urartu. The biblical mountains of Ararat. GPR surveys reveal angular subsurface structures inconsistent with natural geology. I think we need to see the We need to see the core samples before we can have more of a definitive Yeah.

on that Mhm. on that theory. Cuz it does go back to the image just looks what we want it to look. I mean it look like and there’s with not really any evidence. I know, but like we can probably find similar looking things all over Earth.

Mhm. I mean the odds of being are probably pretty high to be able to find something that looks similar to that. Yeah, that’s right. else. I think it’s just based on its location and it looking like that is why Yeah.

But who knows? I mean Yeah. Uh theory two, the ark is on Mount Ararat. Still buried in the ice. Oh, ooh.

Mhm. Multiple eyewitnesses across two centuries have reported seeing a massive wooden structure at high altitude on Ararat. Periodically revealed during warm summers when the glacier kind of melts down a little bit. Are they knowable wooden structure? It’s made out of that beaver wood.

It’s got a cigarette look to it. It’s it’s very distinct. That beaver wood, can’t mistake it. I’m so excited. I’m going to put in my my library.

The beaver wood. to come over and “What is this? What is this game table made out of?” The beaver wood. It’s a It’s 2 and 1/2 cubits of beaver wood.

[laughter] Uh shelf acacia. Yeah. Dude, oh. Uh so, multiple eyewitnesses across two centuries reported seeing a wooden structure in the high altitude. Fer- Ferdinand Navarra retrieved physical wood from the glacier in ’55.

Okay. US Air Force reconnaissance photographs from ’49 showed an anomalous dark object on the northwest face. Okay, well, that I mean, that’s That could have been anything. I’m just saying. Anomalous.

But, this is the mountain. It’s the most prominent peak in the entire religion, and the Bible associates it with the ark. Understood. Yeah. And I I understand that, for sure.

All right. Siri three or theory three, Siri. Siri three. Don’t activate my Siri. I’m Siri.

Theory three, uh the ark landed on Mount Cudi, which is the Quran version. version. Um And the And the head And the head [laughter] That’s the theory. And uh next I don’t know what to say. I mean, it’s the same thing.

[laughter] Cool. Um theory four. The Black Sea catastrophe was the flood. So, around 5600 BC the Mediterranean breached the Bosporus and catastrophically flooded the Black Sea basin, drowning ancient farming communities and displacing populations across the ancient Near East and into Europe. Survivors carried the traumatic story of total inundation and with it they carried it with them wherever they went.

So, like it was the great story in your lineage, like I mean, you got to the great flood or the great Right? Like the Yeah. You got to You got to like There is a There is a chance. I’m not saying this is like what I believe. I’m saying but there is a chance that like, you know, it’s like a the old sailor’s tale, the old sailor pub tale.

Yeah. That’s right. [laughter] What I did and I did ban my ship and my Yeah. family and and and and you could because like Remember the mermaids? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I think we all I think we’re all in agreement that like there was a flood. There was a flood, yeah. Of some kind. There was some sort of flood.

Seems [snorts] like that happened. So, theory five, which actually touches on what Sean had brought up, which is it was a real flood but not one ark. Yeah, multi multi ark. Massive regional flood or the accumulated memory of multiple catastrophic floods in the ancient Tigris and Euphrates basin destroyed a civilization and was remembered in both Mesopotamian and Hebrew tradition. And the survival story attached to that memory was real.

Someone built something. Like somebody Well, I mean Well, think about it. built it and it survived. Possibly. Well, think about it.

they think They like since there’d been documented these floods have happened multiple times Yeah. area. So, you would think at some point some dude’s going to be like I just want to have a boat all like ready to go. Like just like on deck. Yeah, some preppers like I need it.

Yeah, like there’s never-ending floods in your like Maybe we should have boats. have a boat. Like one boat. Yeah, at least. Yeah.

A 300 cubic or What is it called? Not cubic. Cubic? Cubic. That’s That’s a bit much. Like let me have a yacht. I’m a prep for this with a yacht.

I’m going to need a Actually, you know what’s what’s kind of strange is that um Have you heard these stories of these billionaires? Yeah, with the with the bunkers? Building building the bunkers. Yeah. Like in Hawaii.

Exactly like that. It’s like, you know, Hawaii referencing this? It sucks, dude. Yeah. So, maybe it I mean, obviously it’s different now, but Maybe they’re on to something.

similar scenario. Right. You’re just prepping. Yeah, they’re just preppers. Theory six, the story is theological, no historical flood event, meaning the Genesis flood narrative is a deliberate theological rewriting a metaphor.

flood mythology. So, it’s just a passed down story. before, like they just they just took the story and made it their own. That’s right. Okay. Yeah.

But, but, but So, wait. Are you saying there was no flood? They just kind of made it up to pass down the story? they’re they’re saying they took an older flood story. and then made it their own story.

like just take stories and then we like redo Like, let’s just take Hollywood. Mhm. Oh, it’s Oh my god. The stories are the are recycled movie now? The stories are the recycled stories of the past.

Of course. Right? And so And recycled movies, too, by the way. No, it’s remakes and remakes. No, come on.

Stop. It’s like They’re so lazy. Mhm. But yet, we’re still But that’s the story. Back to the Future 10 is coming out.

[laughter] Twister. Yeah, Twisters. Please. Oh, man. On the Back to the Future?

Yeah. Yeah. Not the Twister. yeah, that I would watch. Twister one was not good.

It was absolute ass. It was so bad. Damn. Like, why did I watch that movie? Anyways, this theory is very much the telephone game and the, you know, Right.

Uh So, that’s the question. Those are some of the main theories of Noah’s Ark. Um And the question remains like A, did the ark exist? Uh B, was there a flood that ruined the world? Or the Or the perceived world.

Yes. And then, actually C, was there a higher entity that caused it? Mhm. Because we could in fact just say there is no extraterrestrial I don’t want to say extraterrestrial celestial being Yeah. that caused anything and it should it could have been just a guy with foresight to go I I ain’t I ain’t getting caught in another [laughter] flood.

I’m going to tell you that right now. And you brought it up like a prepper that was right. Yeah, he’s like dude he’s like my family has been killed by this flood like for the last 200 years. I I mentioned over 600 years. And it’s over.

I I said 600. [laughter] I guess I should make a boat. Like just in case. Like maybe I don’t need it but like I’d rather have it. I want to go back to one of your theories about the multiple arcs which I like that theory but then why does the story always lead back to one arc and one region?

Well If if it’s if if the story was like multiple No but here’s the thing. cultures No and like if there’s if there’s imagine multiple arcs in this region that is they’re all like you’re you’re talking about like the border states of like multiple countries. So it’s like if this general area is getting hit by about the Aztecs even like having Right? Didn’t we say even the Aztecs and and some other like cultures that are not in that same region Understood. were basically passing on the same story.

they’re taking on the tail. That’s fine. But I’m saying like if they’re all these in this general area and if this general region gets flooded and multiple people in different locations had had experienced floods and they and they also had arcs and then it’s like the survivors tell the tale. So it’s like if you think about it if you have multiple arcs and then like one lands over here and then they tell the tale. So then that culture’s like oh wow and then another one’s over there they tell the tale. Oh same tale slightly different because it’s like whatever. And then over time it just becomes like it just kind of gets a like emulsified into like the same story.

Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat] Mhm. I mean I’m just I don’t know. I’m like I’m pulling at straws here.

I I don’t know. [laughter] No, I mean I kind of like that because like if if again, if we stick to the same region, then the story can definitely I mean I had hundreds of years passed down. It’s going to morph. And then the thing is but also it’s like Who’s actually writing the story down? Is it Is it a key factor?

Okay. So this isn’t just like if this isn’t like all like a someone like recorded a dude saying this and then they all happen to be very similar. Someone is writing it. So the person who’s writing it might be you know, there might be there’s clearly like a Yeah. You know, who’s Who’s citing their sources here?

Like they’re all [laughter] like they’re like they’re taking It seems like the source is like all from a similar story and then like you just slightly change it like Yeah. You know, it just seems like you know, you like you didn’t read the book, but you get little footnotes and uh do little little weaveroo. Quinn, so question one is was there a flood? I think so, for sure. Yeah.

And was the flood worldwide or was it regional? Definitely not. 100% no. Because that you brought up that point, like what were the Aztecs doing? Like if if Why were they prepping with an ark?

and if they have the same story. And maybe they weren’t, but like what what was happening on the other side of the planet? I don’t think it was a global phenomenon. So a regional? Yeah, I think it was regional.

And I think that obviously you had like the the Vikings like talked about and all that but like those homies were on boats all the time. That’s a that’s definitely a story they would pass down. I mean, those lived on boats. Yeah. Like they’re probably hell yeah. [

__ ] flood this No. Okay, so there was definitely a flood. Definitely a flood. And I definitely think I definitely think it was a regional. It was a and I truly believe well, I I’ll wait.

I’ll save it for Yeah, yeah, regional. The next question that you were going to pose. So then what caused the flood? Yeah, see that’s the next question. If it’s regional like that, I mean, to me again that makes the most sense, some sort of tsunami, some sort of like something happened underwater, either earthquake or volcano, and then all of a sudden you just have this tsunami.

But what about what about God? No, but the thing is like dog Or not. I mean, I don’t want to like put it into one name, but like Yeah, cuz then if you you go down that road, then like the Aztecs didn’t have the the same God. Right. So a higher power.

Yeah. No, but the thing about that like a god I guess, you know? Yeah, well it’s I guess I guess I guess I guess now that I’m I’m going to just ask you guys like straight up. Do you believe in higher power? 100% Yeah.

Yeah. So, if you guys believe in a higher power then technically speaking a higher power could have caused this. No, I mean in theoretically sure. I’m curious. No, but like see my understanding like the way I perceive a higher power it’s not someone who’s like the higher power is the higher power but it’s not actively participating in our everyday [laughter] life.

He isn’t like picking and choosing like see see that’s see that’s that’s my only like grift on that. Is like I don’t think that you know I believe that there is some like you know omnipotent level being that is like sure, but Yeah. at What I don’t like about that that powerful like why they why it is like why why do a flood? Oh, I’m going to end all life like just end it like why do you need to do a flood? Like anyway it’s it’s such a it’s such a cop out.

Like I’m going to end all life and a flood but I’m going to give you a boat Like why don’t you do a Thanos? Dude, see that’s my that’s my point. Like if I was omnipotent why would I leave it to chance? Like why would I like The only logical way to put it is that that maybe maybe they were logical way to put it is that that I mean if if we subscribe to that they exist then that their power is not what we think it is. But then how are they how do they just snap their finger?

Well then why are they gods? And why why why would they be considered a god? They wouldn’t they would just be like a observer being alien. Well the god would just be more powerful than us. But then you but why are they saying Like what like how do you define a god?

Like if you saw me and I could like levitate this microphone. Yeah. Would you be like he’s a god? No, 100%. No.

0%. So it would have to [laughter] be there’s a certain threshold. That’s what I’m saying. Yeah, I’m going to need a little bit more. No hesitation.

[laughter] If you can make me win the powerball tomorrow, I will literally worship you. So there’s got to be there’s a threshold of my power. Yeah. Yeah, that equals godhood. god.

Yeah, that’s just some David Blaine Yeah, [laughter] he’s like watch I’m going to eat this hammer. And poop it out whole like complete again. Yeah, that’s interesting though. Yeah. Okay, so we we’ve established that we agree that there was a flood.

Yeah. But the cause. But the cause. I’m I’m I think Jorge would like would literally hit the nail on the head with the with the earthquake. chaos.

No, yeah because like imagine this is what five this is this is Not all earth. No, not No, I’m saying just saying like earth created. Like earth created or like you know the the hurricane Yeah, not like not like worldwide. No, but like the tectonic plates were shifting. This is thousands of years ago like god a bang and then like if goes down like it opens up this little lake thing hits like the earth shifts a little bit massive underwater aquifer just floods the out of it.

Remember the one the tsunami that happened Oh, yeah. in Thailand, I think. Oh, Where where was it? They even made a movie about it. Oh, yeah.

I know what you’re talking about. That was that was devastating and then like wiped out pretty much the whole city. like all of your houses are made of straw. Yeah. And what?

Like you’re done so. [laughter] You have no chance. Horses getting swept away. Like you’re Yeah, so you know, imagine something like that but like a hundred X. Oh, you’re done.

It’s it’s game over. Yeah. And actually now that I say that that that would actually be felt on the other side of world. Ooh. Possibly if it was if it was a If it’s if it’s big like that.

Yeah, if it was big enough. We just had a earthquake um Was in Mexico? No, Cuba. It was by Cuba. Cuba, yeah.

And we felt it or some people felt it here in Tampa. You felt it. Yeah, yeah. You liar. [laughter] I didn’t feel it.

We We We We felt it. Okay, and then next question. Noah. Mhm. First homie was in 6 like 600 year old I mean bruh.

Like get the out of here. Sure, like sure. It’s just But there’s always story or all of them we went over so many stories of there’s one guy. I understand the one guy. Noah or like the one Right.

Yeah, it’s just whoever you assign it to be. But do you think there was one guy who who had it figured out? No, I think there would I think it’s based on like someone surviving. Mhm. It’s based off like the survival story.

Like one guy. And like what Like if you look at like just from a um from from like a socio socio economic standpoint you’re like what what’s going to unify the people here? We need a hero. I need a hero. Yeah, true.

And like you know and and like how do you build how can you build like a how can you like really build a foundation around a a specific region or group of people is around like this guy and like how did this guy do it? Our faith our faith solidified it. So he followed he followed to the T. Exactly. And he listened and yeah and so now listen to me I’m now the arbiter of these words.

So like I do I think like that story is a a a fabrication based off like something that happened Something that actually happened and someone actually surviving? Yes. I do believe that they fabricated it and used it as Like I’m not saying they did it in a in an insidious way. I think they used it as like a good like a almost like a teaching tool. Like look if you’re a good person cuz like they obviously know if you’re a good dude and like you do the right stuff and you have faith like you know, God will shepherd you. Yeah. You

know, so I I think they they used it as a good in a good way, but I think they made it. I think they totally like It’s kind of like we went over the story of Moses and the the Ten Commandments. That even if he didn’t get direction from God, he like it’s possible that he he just came up with the rules of civilized living. Yeah, yeah, like you got to be a good person. Yes.

Yes. He thinks he did. You know, it’s like who who’s to say that you did it? Yeah, he didn’t have an experience for himself. Yeah, that’s a great point and we’ve learned all these people who think they maybe did. Right.

And and you can’t prove otherwise first of all and second of all like who’s to say that he didn’t have this like I don’t know some sort of intervention, some experience or whatever. But obviously you can’t prove it. Is it the God? Is it the one? Is it Yeah. Yeah,

I don’t know. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it’s kind of like with Noah. It’s like maybe he just got the idea all of a sudden. He’s a good prepper guy. Whatever he got Yeah, and then he said It

was raining for 50 days and he’s like And then and then it turns out to be [laughter] It turns out to be a good idea. It turns out it turns out he’s right. So he’s like a little little genius. [laughter] Noah is Elon Musk. I’m just going to say he knew what was coming.

Well, you know, sounds weird, but I believe there was an ark. Yeah. Yeah, I do believe there was an ark. So that? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I believe there was an ark. To who do you believe? I don’t know about one.

I don’t necessarily know if the story is right, like kind of what you said. Yeah, I was like, who do you think was the Who do you think was the captain? Yeah, I just I don’t know. I just kind of believe that that story One or more? Well, Answer it.

Here’s what I don’t [laughter] Here’s what I don’t Here’s what leads me to it is every culture on every continent has a similar story. Mhm. So, like there’s so many witnesses to something that it kind of Well, it says too many people So many people believe it, especially with the conflicting religions, too. Yes. It’s not like all the same religion.

There’s like different belief systems all saying the same thing. Mhm. It’s probably true. And And again to your point, like maybe it wasn’t God told them to. But maybe there was a story of some guy building a boat.

What if Right? Like What if he just was And it’s the perfect story to Yes. And And And he was right. What if he was just like, I want to build something different. And then like instead of a wagon, I’m going to build a big They’re like, you idiot.

There’s no water around here. And all of a sudden he’s like, holy But it’s it’s a little bit nowadays it’s it’s too formulated like in a policy almost like where it’s like every animal. Yeah. Right. Two by two.

Two by two. It’s so specific. Yeah, like I don’t know if I subscribe to that. Like that seems a little stretch. But I I do believe there was a bit of a an arc.

For sure. Yeah. I And look, I I Whether or not it’s on that mountain, I don’t know. I definitely there’s a lot of There’s Clearly there’s something it something had to happen, right? You can’t get that many opposing sides to like agree on a thing.

Cuz usually they’re going to fight tooth and nail. They’d just deny it just because it’s not like [clears throat] theirs. You add in religion and it’s like Oh, I know. Oh, they’re going to instantly be like it was [clears throat] So, I think we’re I think we’re all kind of like very similar here. Well, uh I mean I I will admit though though these religious stories that we’ve been going over are fantastic stories.

Yeah. They’re meaning like they’re the greatest stories. Oh, I mean You know what I mean? Like There’s only the the ark of the covenant and the I love it. the you know, oh, and we got to touch on the holy grail They’re the only stories that last this long.

Yeah. Like it’s because they’re the greatest stories. Exactly. That’s my point. Yeah.

So, there you go. Uh I don’t know. Let us know your thoughts. But what if I mean, what if the ark was a Do you have any Was a it was a UAP? Mhm.

Came down. Was like doing some weather manipulation. Was like, let’s flood this Some aliens came down and they warned them. No. No, they they caused it.

They caused the flood or They caused the flood. Oh, I thought you were going to say what if the ark Yeah, what if the ark was Like That’s not what I’m saying. The ark The ark was Oh, a UAP? Yeah. Or maybe they like shot some down and like caused the thing and they were like, let’s ride the wave, baby.

[laughter] It doesn’t even make sense. I can’t even like make myself believe it. [laughter] I know we can’t really fit the alien into this one. I would believe it was an act of God before I believed it was aliens. Like honestly, straight up.

You can’t really steer this one in mine and Shawn’s way. Well, there you go. I mean, you know, a bit of a on a shorter side of the episode, but you know, there you go. I mean, if there are any other theories that you guys uh you know, have about it, um let us know. Or anything that we missed or anything that we missed or maybe there’s some other researcher that like had some other [clears throat] like cool evidence or or, you know, I I would actually I think you guys should we should maybe do another another Patreon like poll and like have people kind of write in like what they think what what theories were and like maybe it’s like this, that, that, or other.

And if it’s other, like type in what you think it is. Yeah. I’d be really interested to see like what you guys think because obviously something occurred. Yeah. I think without a shadow of a doubt something happened.

For sure. And we’re going to and we’re going to have to do a part three. Oh, once I once I get the core samples, yeah. Yeah. Also, uh and this is very, I guess, uh doomsday vibe, but Build an ark.

No, but if if if it wasn’t God related, it was Earth related. Yeah. And if it was Earth related, then It could happen again. Could happen again. Oh, yeah.

Well, the only thing So, you got you got after things and then you have uh flood scenarios, meaning Yeah. I agree with that. Right? Like Yeah. There’s so there’s so much there’s been so many cataclysmic Earth events that happened like Yeah.

You can’t just like pick and choose which one’s God and which one’s not. I mean, I guess technically that’s possible, for sure. You could say they’re all True. I just don’t think that God’s a dick and like trying to like our lives up. I don’t think he’s like, “Hell yeah.”

Going to be tested again. I’m going to blow this volcano. Sorry, Pompeii. Yeah. you’re toast. Remember

that part where it was like, “Oh, I forgot a nose there.” I know. He’s like, “Oh, shit.” my bad. I know.

He’s like, “The nose like we’ve been at sea.” He’s like, “We’re we’re almost out of water.” [laughter] Busy doing something else. I know. He’s like taking a nap.

He’s like, “Oh, it’s so quiet.” [laughter] So quiet. I can finally nap. But there you go, guys. Uh we got a lot of cool episodes coming up.

So obviously