Happy Tuesday to everybody. We’re coming up on Christmas, and this is part three. We got a special one for Christmas, by the way. It is the true story of Christmas. We did The Night Before Christmas last year, where Eric read and we had the little fire crackle in the background. I loved it, I thought it was great.

If you have not listened to part one and part two, go back. We went over the actual timeline in episode one, the whole play by play, what happened. And then in part two, we went over a little bit of the aftermath, Japanese internment camps, and some of the conspiracies. We touched on the first taste of conspiracy. Now we’re going to go over further conspiracies and further evidence, and or lack of evidence, and then come to our own conclusions as we do on this show.

This is the 84th anniversary of Pearl Harbor. This episode is being recorded well in advance. If you listen to part two, part two came out the day after the anniversary. So for us it’s only December 5th, but it comes out later. We also touched on the greatest generation and that there are not very many left. Mad respect. Even if you were 16, you’re 102 now, so there’s very, very few. There’s got to be only like a handful.

This is a time where you didn’t shy away from hard work. You weren’t like you couldn’t sue someone over your feelings. Hard times make hard men. Even my dad, who is 65, he’s more like Vietnam, but he still was different. It was like, oh, you’re hurt, shut up. Not like you, Jorge.

Last time we went over the Stimson diary and also the McCollum memo, the very smoking gun. It’s basic evidence. There’s no way really around it. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s not a theory. It’s real. The guy wrote that in his diary, and the guy put the memo out. Everyone gets the memo, or you would think they would get the memo. Are you really going to tell me the president doesn’t get this memo from some high ranking official?

That brings up another question. Does it filter all the way up? It does. He’s the commander in chief. He runs the military. He’s the commander in chief for a reason. He gets the memo. They do have compartmentalized info, but not war info and memos about potential war. That stuff goes through.

Do you remember JFK, when there were Oswald reports in one of the remote FBI offices? Oswald went into the FBI office and they were like, this guy’s crazy, just another tip, we get 10,000. But that’s a little bit different than a random aloof man walking into an FBI office. Obviously it’s not going to go to JFK. But if it’s a high ranking official, that’s different. We established it was a Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum in the intelligence office. It’s not like I’m the secretary at the FBI field office.

Here are a couple other conspiracies and or evidence that goes into it. One point that’s often cited is that the US aircraft carriers, the most valuable ships, the most expensive, the top of the technology of war at the moment, were away. Conspiracy thinkers suggest that Washington might have ensured the carriers were away. Both carriers left literally the day before. They’re like, we can’t afford those assets to get lost. So that’s a big part of the conspiracy concept, which is that they wanted to make it seem damaging but not crippling. We’re not going to lose these boys.

Now, the anti-conspiracy data on this, classic Eric. The carriers, which were Enterprise and Lexington, had been dispatched on missions to reinforce outposts. They were at Midway and Wake Islands, and it was a decision made by local commanders and schedules, not by Washington. So if Washington was in on this conspiracy, they weren’t the ones who ordered them to be removed in the first place. It was the local commanders, Kimmel and Short.

But here’s the thing. If Washington gave the local commanders an order, the local commander still gives the order. The guys on the ship don’t know Washington called. They’re like, the commander told us to leave, we got to go. Obviously the commander of that base is going to give the order always. He’s the CEO of that base. But there would be some sort of documentation that this came from. In the 40s, what documentation would there be? I think the evidence burned up when they got bombed.

That’s what’s crazy about conspiracies in the past. There’s no paper trail. There’s no cell phone records. Nowadays it’s so hard, you can’t do anything. We checked his Google history. Every city camera has one on every corner. My parents actually caught some house robbers. My parents used to live in Tampa, and there was this slew of house robberies. My dad comes home and the door was open, and my mom wasn’t home, and he’s like something’s up. He goes walking through and sees purses and stuff all out, then he hears the dudes running and chases them out. They ended up catching the dudes because of the ring camera. My dad was on the news. To your testament, like the ring camera, you can’t get away with anything.

I told you last time our trash cans were stolen. That is the most petty thing. The city was like 200 bucks for two trash cans, and they would replace it. So I got cameras now on my trash can. It’s a lot different then than it is now, obviously. But the question then is, if Roosevelt were arranging a sacrifice, it’s unlikely that he would risk all eight battleships just to save the two carriers.

Maybe they didn’t think he knew the magnitude of what could happen. Or maybe they felt like, they’re just the Japanese, we’re fine, what are they going to do? You didn’t expect two waves of 200 planes per wave. Maybe they underestimated the capabilities. They’ll do some damage, but it won’t be that big of a deal. And maybe they thought Pearl Harbor would be a little bit more ready. Maybe they thought the guns would be loaded.

Let’s play that scenario out. Let’s say Pearl Harbor was fully ready. They see the planes coming in, ammo boxes were open, everything was loaded, ready to roll, planes weren’t tip to tip, they had the nets up to stop the torpedoes. Maybe one ship would have been lost. But you would have had defense planes in the air, scrambled the planes. He was expecting them to be ready, because that’s why they issued the alert. He probably thought he had more time.

That actually makes a lot more sense. We’ll provoke their attack, we’ll fend them off because we’re America, and then it happens and he’s like, they weren’t ready at all. Obviously I don’t think he would willingly have sacrificed 3,000 people. But maybe he thought, if it’s only a couple hundred, that’s enough. Imagine you have to make that choice of a sacrifice to get into the war. That might be where the conspiracy is, that he’s letting it happen, but then there’s the negligence of the commanders who didn’t have it set up. So it’s both. They were easy scapegoats because these guys weren’t prepared at all.

In that vein, some argue that because Washington did not urgently warn Kimmel and Short on the very eve of the attack on December 6th about the specific threat to Pearl Harbor, it suggests a nefarious intent. In the morning of December 7th, Washington time, after decoding Japan’s final message, US War Department officials scrambled to send a last-minute warning to all Pacific commands that war was going to break out. General George Marshall dispatched a message to Hawaii that morning via commercial telegram. Warning, hostilities imminent and to be on alert.

But this was Washington morning time, so this is before the 1 p.m. thing we talked about. They had the commercial telegram, so they still had to fly like a prop plane out there. Tragically, due to routing delays and the slowness of telegram delivery, the message was received an hour after the attack began. Imagine receiving a message, war is imminent, when you’re amidst the war. But non-conspiracy theorists say there was no deliberate hold, just too little, too late.

Additionally, even the day before, December 6th, Roosevelt had personally appealed one more time to Japan’s emperor for peace, which apparently that message was unanswered by the emperor of Japan. It probably never got to him. You couldn’t get a message to Hawaii, let alone to the emperor.

So what do historians conclude about the FDR knew conspiracy? The consensus of mainstream scholars is there’s no credible evidence that Roosevelt or his top advisers had specific foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack. As soon as it said mainstream, I went to sleep. The idea here is yes, they expected war and indeed possibly even wanted Japan to fire the first shot, but they didn’t expect Pearl Harbor. Expecting war somewhere in the Pacific, perhaps the Philippines, is very different than American soil.

This is where I think we were really on to something. They expected something to happen, but they also expected everyone to be prepared. So it’s a dual thing of this negligence. These guys are at a luau, and they’re like, it’s fine, no one’s going to touch us, we’re America.

A couple other points, and this is from the commission that came out. The key intelligence failure was that the US code breakers had not cracked Japan’s naval operation code in which the Pearl Harbor strike plans were hidden. They just broke the overall code, the diplomatic code. The Japanese went to great lengths to maintain radio silence among the strike force that was at sea. Remember when they disappeared? They just went radio silent. That’s a smart play.

Washington knew Japan was likely to attack, but they assumed it would be against targets in Asia and or the islands. In fact, on the very eve of Pearl Harbor, American leaders were more concerned about Thailand or the Philippines. Hawaii seemed way too far away. So it seems like the mainstream is weird. They’re like, well, there’s nothing nefarious here, but they definitely thought something was going down. They just didn’t act, and also didn’t expect that it would be Hawaii.

I get why they came with the conclusion that the generals of the Pacific Fleet weren’t prepared. Even if there was no conspiracy, they weren’t prepared. But here’s the thing. Am I responsible? Let’s say we’re best friends in grade school, two popular kids, and I’m picking on some kid nonstop, taking his lunch, taking his lunch, and then eventually he goes and beats the heck out of Eric. Well, yeah, I knew it was going to happen eventually. What responsibility lies there? They intentionally provoked it, and I think they knew a threat was happening, but the data was not transmitted as fluently as it should have been.

I think the Pacific Fleet should have been more on alert. The entire world is at war, everyone’s on edge, you should have been on red alert. At least load the guns at a bare minimum. That’s dereliction, that’s negligent. Remember the guy who shot the town bully in the car, shot like 60 times, and everyone’s like, I didn’t see nothing.

Let’s bring this forward a little bit. Russia fully takes over Ukraine today, then they decide to take over Poland. Do we get involved? A hundred percent we do, we’re already involved. I’m trying to put ourselves in Roosevelt’s shoes. Do I want to get involved? No. Would we get involved? Of course we would, we’re part of the UN. But there was no UN back then. Same idea, before sending American troops to protect the border of France and Poland. I don’t like it and I don’t agree, but it would happen.

There’s also this other theory that it’s all a globalist agenda. How do you control the world, how do you have a one world unification thing? The United Nations. But now we’re at a mutually assured destruction point where that can’t happen, because everyone is literally with the finger on the trigger. You do this, we’re all dead. So no one will ever do that. You can make little moves, like they’re on the border of Russia, but even Putin’s not stupid enough to start trying to take over Europe, because England’s got nukes, the US has nukes, Israel’s got nukes, everyone’s got nukes.

It’s mutually assured destruction. If we do this, everyone dies, the Earth dies. Is it worth it? Obviously not. That’s why it won’t happen, but these never end. The new wars are tech wars. You manipulate the people via the tech, and that’s how you do it. The real wars now are not fought with bullets, they’re fought online, fought with hacking technology. We only go to war with little countries. We don’t go to war with China, we don’t go to war with Russia, because we’re all afraid.

In today’s world it would look like everybody’s game over, we all die. A World War III means 90 percent of the planet dies, like a nuclear holocaust. All infrastructure is gone, everything’s done. And they’re shooting these hypersonic ICBMs, intercontinental ballistic missiles. I can shoot a nuke from here to Australia, and it’s hypersonic, traveling faster than the speed of sound, so you can’t intercept it, it’s traveling at like Mach five. The US has 5,000 nuclear weapons. You need like a hundred to end it. Russia’s got like 2,000, China’s got a thousand. The levels are so unnecessary. So if you get one Hitler in power, everything’s done, everyone loses, sets us back 2,000 years.

It’s interesting, even in sci-fi books they talk about the future. I go back to Dune. Frank Herbert wrote Dune in the 60s, and then he wrote like six books, and then he died and his son wrote like three books. In Dune, this is a galactic empire, and they outlawed atomics. Atomic weapons were outlawed. Every major house has them, but you can’t use them, it’s illegal, because they’re so devastating, you can literally destroy planets. Even in fiction they don’t even use them. It’s too dangerous in fiction, but it’s totally cool in real life.

The last part on if Roosevelt knew. Anti-conspiracy theorists suggest that sacrificing the core of the entire Pacific fleet doesn’t really make a lot of sense. If you were trying to get into the war, maybe you shouldn’t sacrifice 80 percent of the Pacific Fleet in that harbor. It’s almost like a stupid move, a little too much. That makes a lot of sense. But I go back to this point, what would have happened if they were prepared, at a normal ready state with defenses and planes that we can send out quickly? I don’t know what would happen. But that argument does make sense, why sacrifice your own military power to get into a war that you’re going to need the military power for? You probably could have gotten Congress’s okay to go into war if they attacked even one ship in the middle of the island at midway. That’s a good argument.

Another claim is that Winston Churchill or British intelligence knew and didn’t warn the US, because they wanted the US in it. This is a bit of an offshoot conspiracy theory that Churchill, the British prime minister, had advanced knowledge of the Pearl Harbor plan and chose not to warn the Americans in order to ensure that they would enter the war and save Britain. This theory plays on the fact that Britain did have a sophisticated code breaking operation. They broke Enigma. And Churchill was desperate for US involvement against Germany.

However, historians find the theory unconvincing. There’s not really any evidence in the archives that there was any specific Pearl Harbor warning. In fact, British code breakers had not penetrated the main Japanese naval codes prior to Pearl Harbor. The sharing of intelligence between the US and UK was not as seamless on the Pacific front, but it was way more in operation on the European front. Communications were difficult in that time, so it was a little bit easier to do London to New York compared to New York to Hawaii. And I have to play the speculative card, would England really be like, oh yeah, we had advanced notice, we just didn’t tell you? Obviously they wouldn’t disclose that.

Another piece of information most people don’t know about Pearl Harbor is that within 72 hours of Pearl Harbor, Japan attacked Hong Kong, and Malaya and Singapore. They were on a rampage. All of those were occupied by the British Empire. So that’s where the conspiracy kind of overlaps. It’s pretty wild that they attacked on many fronts. This was a full scale thing. They were trying to get in good with the axis. Over the years, various supposed smoking gun documents show secret conversations or messages, like a rumored Churchill-Roosevelt secret correspondence about Pearl Harbor, but those have been concluded as forgery letters.

You know what I just thought of? If the Germans were so obsessed with being the Aryan race, why would they be in cahoots with Mussolini and the Japanese? That’s a great point. It’s hypocritical. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s based on the concept that they just needed help. Like, look, we’re better than you, but we need some help. That’s not German at all.

Another conspiracy is what’s called the deadly double advertisement. One famous example arose from a curious advertisement that ran in the New Yorker on November 22nd, 1941. The ad for a dice game called the deadly double featured imagery of people huddled in an air raid shelter, and prominently showed the dice with the numbers 12 and seven. December 7th. First of all, what kind of dice has a 12? That’s a 20-sided die. Actually the dice just literally said 12 on it, so it’s probably like a 20-sided die. I didn’t even know that existed.

It also had the words alert and warning on the cover. After Pearl Harbor, people speculated this was not a coincidence, but perhaps a code in an advertisement in the New Yorker. That’s too loose. That’s like when you find 10 different clues on the dollar bill and you’re like, well, the Mason type and then this. The FBI did investigate it, but ultimately it was found it was just badly timed advertising. It’s an advertisement in the New Yorker, not on TV. The creator of the ad and the game, Roger Paul Craig, said it was chance that the dice showed 12 and seven. It’s too loose, I don’t buy it.

The game flopped horribly, obviously. And this is super ironic. The game went under, the business was abandoned, and the creator of the game went to work for US intelligence. How do you go from being a game maker to being like, put me in the intelligence division, I’ll be your number one spy?

Another weird anecdote is that on the morning of the attack, some local Hawaiians tuning their radios might have heard a Japanese voice announcing code phrases about east wind rain, part of a so-called winds code that Japan would broadcast to signal a breakdown of negotiations. US intelligence was listening for such signals. A winds message indicating war with the US was reportedly intercepted on December 4th. Conspiracy writers have claimed this warning was suppressed or ignored. However, the significance of the winds message is still debated. Some historians think it did occur, but it was a misunderstanding and wasn’t necessarily a general alert of war. Still a little loose. Some amateur radio guy in Hawaii, who’s tuning their radio at 6 a.m.?

Another conspiracy, which we kind of touched on, is that Kimmel and Short were the scapegoats of the cover up. It’s also interesting that they weren’t dishonorably discharged. If you’re blaming someone for the loss of 3,000 lives, that’s a pretty easy dishonorable discharge. You can get discharged for messing up something for way less than that. The Roberts Commission, their harsh verdict, essentially ruined their careers and reputations forever. For years they lived under the stigma of being the officers who failed Pearl Harbor. Can you imagine? Your whole family is branded. You change your name and move to Alaska.

Their defense, they argued that they had never been given the full intelligence picture. Kimmel pointed out that Washington knew through code breaking that Japan was planning something, and even that the Japanese had spies in Hawaii and had been asked to report on fleet movements. Kimmel and Short were not informed of many of these intercepts. They insisted that if they had been, they would have increased their alert status. I wish there was hardcore journalism back then. I wish I had an interview with these guys. Like if there was a Netflix special on Kimmel, but this is the 40s, so that didn’t exist.

Later investigations during and after the war acknowledged that responsibility was not just on two men. In 1946, a congressional inquiry, for example, found mistakes and underestimation all the way up the chain of command. It criticized the War Department and Navy Department for not keeping Hawaii better informed. Still, those inquiries upheld that Kimmel and Short bore a majority of the blame. If you know that the rest of the world is at war, wouldn’t you try to fortify your communication systems a little bit better? Maybe we should be able to communicate with our military bases quickly.

In the post-war years, a narrative did take hold that Kimmel and Short were scapegoats to protect others in the upper echelons of government. That’s definitely in the playbook. This belief gained enough traction that decades later there were efforts to posthumously rehabilitate the investigation, after they died. In 1995, as part of a review ordered by Congress, the Department of Defense concluded that Kimmel and Short had not been treated fairly and that others shared the blame for Pearl Harbor’s unpreparedness.

In 1999, the US Senate passed a non-binding resolution exonerating Kimmel and General Short, stating that they had performed their duties competently and that the failure at Pearl Harbor was not solely because of them. The resolution asked the president to restore their ranks after their death. While the ranks were not officially restored, the resolution reflected a historical reconsideration. By the end of the 20th century, the US government essentially acknowledged that those two officers were unfairly singled out and that crucial information had been kept from them. So they agree that crucial information was withheld. How is this a conspiracy? This is pretty much a fact that they got screwed. Congress has concluded that they got screwed. So we solved it, this is pretty much cut and dry.

But no document has ever surfaced with a clear warning ignored, or an order from FDR such as let it happen, ignore it. There wouldn’t be an order. The order would be him in his office saying just don’t tell him. They wouldn’t put it in writing. And there is documentation that he did know about it, and the fact that you don’t do anything about it, that’s what it is. That’s the letter you’re talking about. Not doing anything. Omission.

Pearl Harbor has left a legacy that endures to this day, in strategic lessons, in national memory, and even in personal relationships that emerged from the war. Strategically, the attack reshaped naval warfare. The devastation of battleships in a single air raid demonstrated the age of the aircraft carrier had truly arrived. The US Navy, forced to rely on carriers and submarines in the wake of Pearl Harbor, was quick to adapt and would deliver its own surprise to Japan just six months later at the Battle of Midway, where US carrier-based planes sank four Japanese carriers. That was the turning point of the Pacific War. In a sense, Japan’s victory at Pearl Harbor was not long-lived. It wasn’t really a victory. Even the Japanese generals were like, you idiots, you brought shame on this country.

In American culture, December 7th became a solemn date of remembrance. Every year on National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, flags are flown at half staff and ceremonies are held to honor those who lost their lives. The most iconic memorial is the USS Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor. It’s a white structure that spans the sunken wreck of the Arizona, which still lies on the harbor floor where it exploded and sank in 1941. In the early 60s, this memorial was constructed and dedicated, in thanks to an unlikely booster known as Elvis Presley. He headlined a benefit concert in Hawaii that raised the money to create the memorial. Guess when he wasn’t all messed up, he was doing good stuff. Inside the memorial, a marble wall lists the names of 1,177 crewmen who died in the Arizona. It has become an annual memorial for those who experienced it to go back.

We reach that time now where there are no living, well, there’s a few left but not very many. Pretty soon there will be no more. But it’s really the story that keeps it alive. Nowadays our relations with Japan are much different. We’re like super allies now. Even in 2016, the Japanese Prime Minister and President Obama made a visit to Pearl Harbor side by side and commemorated the December 7th anniversary. A lot has happened since that time. Recently Japan pledged like a bajillion dollars to build plants in the US. Very different times, very different people all around.

Let’s bring it back to what we think happened here. Was it negligence, or was it conspiracy? I really like the concept that they knew, maybe the very top. They had a whole strategy, and we’re talking about years of this situation. The war started in 39, and we’re in December of 41, already two years deep. That’s a long time to not be part of it. So I do believe there was a semblance of, we need to get into this, we need to jump in. And I think it went overboard accidentally. Whether you want to call it a conspiracy or an accident, that’s where I land. They didn’t intend for 2,400 people to die, they didn’t intend for Pearl Harbor to be so unprepared, and they didn’t intend for the Japanese to be so brazen, coming 3,000 miles across the Pacific Ocean with a major arsenal. In essence they were blindsided.

And they were mad. Even Roosevelt was beside himself. But he did have a hand, I believe. I think that’s probably why he was so beside himself, because the casualties were far greater than what was anticipated. I think they purposely instigated. They needed an in, and they saw a very clear path to getting an in, that they could push Japan to the breaking point where they had no choice but to do something. They purposely didn’t want to stop it before it started. But they were caught so off guard that it was a way bigger loss than they anticipated.

Why didn’t we just say, hey, we’re going to go support Britain, send over some troops? Because in order to do that, you have to pass a bill that negates isolationism, and half the party, or even more than half, is like, no. But look how easy it is, as we’ve seen in recent times with 9/11, to get something passed when everyone’s like, do it now. They don’t read it, no one wants to look at how messed up it is and what else you’re putting in there. Everyone is galvanized to do it. So it’s much easier to pass something like that and actually get in the war with approval, with the approval of the American citizens who technically are your boss.

I wonder if there was a poll done before Pearl Harbor of whether we should get involved. I bet you it would be mostly no. Why would you want to put yourself in harm’s way? But then they attacked us and killed our people, so we have to do something about it.

On my side, I’ll start with the why, and I think the why is always money. You go back to any war, and I keep referencing 9/11 because it happened fairly recently and there are similarities. The why always goes back to the money. Look at the affluence that we had after the war, because this whole war machine kicks in. It starts at Wall Street, that’s the top, and then it flows down to politicians, and then the whole economy was stimulated. War opens the coffers. What is an elite banker more than anything else? They fund both sides, and everyone takes on debt. They don’t have a choice. Do you want to lose? You’re taking debt. It’s the single most profitable thing. Nothing is more profitable than war.

So that’s the start, and then it’s the negligence and not acting fast enough. Does technology play a part? Of course. But I also think it was designed that way, to not be ready enough to sustain something like this. And credit to the Japanese, we didn’t think it was going to be that big. It’s like, we’ll pick it up, we’ll anticipate it, we’re going to fight them off wherever it happens and then go to war after that. But not 2,300, that was definitely not planned. And you don’t think you’re going to lose that many ships. That’s obviously not part of the plan, to lose that much hardware that you’re going to use in the war. Before that it was definitely instigated, with the embargoes, we were trying different things to really instigate, to piss them off. They wanted to be attacked first, because that’s rules of engagement, you need that justification so you get the whole public behind you.

Do you believe that Roosevelt knew? I think he knew a strike was going to happen, just not where, or the extent. But I think it was all part of the plan that a strike would happen. We thought it wouldn’t be catastrophic, it would be very manageable. And then from there, we just overwhelm them and take over.

Weird question, and this could be our end question. Do you think it was the right move, from Roosevelt, instigating it, letting it happen? I think it was the only move you could do. No, because we would have eventually gotten in. There would have been enough pressure from the rest of the world that we would have gotten in. Would things have ended as soon as they did? Maybe not, maybe it would have dragged on for another year. It’s a hard choice. Put yourself in a different situation, you’re walking downtown and you see a girl getting mugged or a kid getting bullied by an adult. Are you going to step in, or just say that’s not my fight? It depends on the weapon. If it’s a gun, I’m not stepping in. If it’s just a dude, I’m 100 percent stepping in. To correlate that to this, you have to face off with Germany, that’s a scary fight, that’s the weapon. And Japan, I guess we didn’t know how dangerous they were. We weren’t really worried about them.

I would answer my own question with, yes, I would step in, I think it was the right move. If you’re bigger, if you’ve got the muscles and the resources, you should step in and help. There’s an integrity to it. I wouldn’t have instigated an attack. I would have said we need to go help. The war started almost two years earlier. We don’t know how much he was trying to get us into the war already, and maybe you’ve exhausted all your avenues. You’re like, I’ve tried, I can’t get us into this, I can’t get us to help them other than the lend-lease program and the embargoes. Honestly, that was an instigation.

What I would have done in that situation is send over film crews and bring the images back, and then people would be like, oh my god, we need to help these people out. Germany’s kicking the UK right now, hard. London’s getting bombed daily, nonstop. My theory would be that we’re a little bit more overt. If the world’s at need, we should be able to say, this is good versus evil. I would hope that’s enough. But I wasn’t in those shoes.

It gets very convoluted, especially nowadays, because of what we’ve experienced in our generation. We’ve been tricked so many times that it’s under the guise of, oh, they need us, and then after the fact we’re like, why did we do that? Afghanistan, Iraq, Korea, Vietnam, what are we doing? Maybe we were trying to make up the damage later on, the same mistake. So now we can’t trust anything, we can’t really trust what is happening because of all these mess-ups. But the one time it was for real and legit, we were like, we’re not helping out. Nobody’s going to put up with a repeat of this. Like Hitler. No one’s going to allow that to happen again, you can’t let that happen again.

That’s Pearl Harbor. There’s more you can dive into. We mentioned a couple books, and we mentioned the Netflix documentary, Pearl Harbor Minute by Minute, that’s a really good thing to check out. If you’re ever in Hawaii, you should pay to go to the memorial. We’ll put this one in another category of solved conspiracy. We’ve got a couple cool episodes going into the new year. We have a Jack the Ripper update. When we did the Jack the Ripper series, one of our summations at the end was a specific individual, and then there was DNA evidence that came out earlier this year. That’s going to come out before the end of the year, as well as a Christmas special.