Hey guys, welcome back to the Conspiracy Podcast. Oh my god, we meet again. You’re still here. I love you. I never left actually. We just, I’m Eric if you don’t know. This is Jorge. What’s up, guys? I’m not not Jorge. He is Jorge. And I’m Sean. What’s up, guys? Uh, how’s everybody doing? It’s been a bit. No, tired. I just flew in today.

Yeah, Jorge was uh gallivanting in New York. That’s true, huh? When did you get in, by the way? Um, I think kind of early, like 3. Yeah, cuz I saw your post and I was like, he knows we’re recording, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is an episode. It’s one of the big ones. It’s one of the most famous. I wouldn’t call it even a conspiracy. It’s a mystery. It’s more of a mystery. Yeah, it’s more of a mystery, but it does fall into the realm of, you know, conspiracies or like the biggest mysteries on earth.

Well, it’s also like we talked about numerous times, you know, the word conspiracy has been construed to mean like a lie or tin foil, a myth. Yes. Not actually what it really means, which is two or more people conspiring to commit some sort of nefarious act or crime. Now, this is not a crime that is committed. So, it’s a crime. It doesn’t exist. Yeah. Maybe it doesn’t fit into the whole conspiracy. Well, maybe we’ll see. Anyways, it fits for us. Yeah. It’s the lost city of Atlantis. Yeah, the Hotlantis. I had to take it. Hot.

So, before we kick things off, um, thoughts? What do you guys know about this? Do you guys know a lot about Atlantis? Do you, I mean, define a lot. Do you have, I know I know a little bit and mostly actually like cuz we’ve brought it up in a few of our episodes, you know, here and there. Not obviously not like super details and but that’s almost as butt as far as I know. I don’t know a whole lot. I don’t know. You know, it’s a lost city maybe. Yes, I’m exercising uh all of my high school diploma for this. Okay, good. Expert.

So, let’s kick it off. In a single day and night of misfortune, the island of Atlantis disappeared into the sea. And that was from Plato. That was 360 B. Plateau. So the legend of Atlantis begins not with explorers or with scientists or with people on boats, but a philosopher. Plato. Plateau. I like Plateau better. Should we call him Plateau? Yes. I think this sounds, it sounds plateau. Plateau or plateau. Also, also spelled P L A T O. Yes. Plato. Plateau. Uh, now I’m gonna say it and it’s gonna suck. Plato. But good. That was a good white guy accent. Plato.

So Plato is one of the most influential thinkers in human history. Yeah. Plato was not a historian. That’s extremely important in this entire story. Yeah. So, so he’s saying he wasn’t like recording history. He was like theorizing. That’s right. So, the beginning of this is not a historian. Okay. Tracking. Yeah. So, there’s no mention of the word Atlantis before him. So, why did he bring it up? Okay. He just like made this up. He’s like, so he wasn’t a historian. Going to sell himself, baby. This is going to sell papyrus.

Actually, he wasn’t even trying to be a historian. He was trying to be, or he was a philosopher. He was a student of Socrates and the teacher of Aristotle. He founded the academy in Athens, one of the first institutions of higher learning in the western world. His writings laid the foundation for western thought in areas like ethics, politics, logic, and metaphysics. But he often conveyed those deep ideas or philosophical meanings not through lectures or essays but through dialogues that he would have with his students and telling stories. Interesting. Storyteller. Sorry off to a bad start. But he was making stuff up. Yeah.

But he would kind of mix them in with real people. Okay. So he was kind of like, an a similar analogy would be like um Tarantino when he did in Glorious Bastards. Okay. So there’s like Hitler’s in there, but it’s not really what happened with him. Hitler didn’t die in a fire in a theater. He get shot by like 70 rounds from an MP 40. Yeah, but some would say that that’s kind of like a historical movieish. I mean, not really, but you know what I mean. Some could say. Yes.

No, but what I’m trying to say is imagine that story is handed down 2,000 years from now on telephone. They’re like, “Oh, yeah.” And you’re like, “Is that history?” Well, yeah. There was Hitler. There was this squad. There was Nazis. There was Nazis. There was the bear Jew. There was the guy hunting Jewish. You know what I mean? There’s a lot of history. But you get that. You get the point, right? Like the point is is that they’re mixing history and fiction. Fiction. And then thousands of years go by and then we don’t know what’s real and what becomes fact. Yeah. We don’t know what’s real and what’s not.

So Atlantis enters the stage in two of these dialogues, Timus and Criterius. And I’m probably saying that wrong. So that for those who do have history degrees and/or Greek mythology degrees, Timus and Criterius, this was around 360 BCE. These works were not history texts or travel logs. They were philosophical explorations of how a just society should function, how the universe might be ordered, and what happens when civilizations lose their virtue. Ooh.

So, there’s always like I feel like there was always like a hidden meaning, some sort of, yes, you know, like almost like a lesson. Yeah, almost like a, you know, stories for kids. You know, there’s always some sort of uh underlying moral kind of code being put in place. Yeah, that’s right. So the story of Atlantis then is wrapped in these stories, in these whether or not they’re real or not, but they were lessons that he tried to tell his students about basically like okay if you have a, you as a civilization start getting uh what’s the word like, like you know when the Romans all of a sudden started having orgies and like they lost aberation. Yeah. Yes. They lost their way. They lost their, yeah, they were like the pinnacle and then they started doing, starting to get wild. That’s right.

So, in Timmus, a character named Critius, tells the story of an ancient civilization, Atlantis, that existed 9,000 years earlier. Oh. He claims the story came from his great-grandfather who heard it from Salon, a real life Athenian lawmaker who traveled to Egypt around 600 B.CE. Egyptian priests supposedly told Solen that long before Athens was founded, a powerful empire named Atlantis tried to conquer the known world, but was stopped by a virtuous older Athens. Afterward, Atlantis was destroyed by some crazy cataclysmic flood and earthquake, and it sank beneath the sea. Oh, damn. Wow.

Plato presents this as a real event within the dialogue, but scholars have long debated his intent. Was he recounting a legend with some historical truth? Or was he like, you know, trying to be the cool guy, little hip teacher. Like, damn, man. Plateau’s got that, I got that gas. Exactly. Or was he inventing a fictional civilization to contrast against his philosophical ideals? Or was he combining both? Or was he, yeah, he just making something up so he can just paint the picture to like really convey whatever message he was trying to pass on to his students.

Technically if you really were thinking about it philosophically. I mean, what’s the best way to convey a point is to show past experience. Yes. You know, the past experience has proven that doing something this way is the wrong way to do it because it happened. It occurred. That’s right. And another scenario of that is nowadays most people learn their, I hate to say this, but I would believe that nowadays most people learn their lessons from a visual story. Yeah. And or like movies. Yeah. Movie. Well, because I would hope that we still read books. No, I would hope that we still read books and like, no, but even, I’m just saying storytelling.

No, but even in book form, it’s like, you know, the old adage, history is written by the victors. Mhm. And so like I feel like actual history is being lost. Yeah. It’s just being, we don’t really know 100% but, yeah. Or like uh there are lessons that you probably heard as children. Like for example, I heard um the boy who cried wolf. Yeah. And that was to teach a lesson of, don’t lie and don’t, like you’re on a post.

Look at all like look at all the the Greek and Roman writings like all the stories they told like look at the one of um, what’s his name who flew too close to the sun. Oh my god. Um, oh yeah, I know what you’re talking about. Yeah. Oh my god. I can’t remember his name, but like he, you know the great builder made him wings and he thought he was invincible and they were made of wax and he flew too close to the sun and they melted and he died. Or like uh and that’s the lesson or the story of Narcissus, and Narcissus was obsessed with himself and eventually turned into a flower, the narcissist flower, because, which it actually droops down and it points downwards because he was so upset and then that’s where narcissism. So like they were constantly trying to input these moral codes, yeah, into society. Yeah.

And there’s so many like stories that even Plato used um to try to teach his students like one lesson, the golden rule was one where it was treat others the way you want to be treated. Right. It’s been around a long time. But he would tell stories to do it instead of just saying the sentence. Yeah. Which is, I think it’s a great way to teach. Yeah, I love that. Like with a like a story and, yeah. Way better.

So, um, I want to know, sorry, I can probably let you go, but like what is the moral of the Atlanta story? Well, that’s a great, actually fantastic, what is he trying to, what are they learning from, in essence is that they went down into losing their morals and their, they got AI. And they’re like, “We don’t need to learn no more.” The AI boys. No, like that repeats itself. It’s essentially that they lost their way of morals. Oh, they started getting like deviants and like they’re doing sketch stuff.

Is that connected to how um they were wiped out with the flood or, I mean God biblical flood. That’s more if you go religious, it’s God spiting or, you know, God’s revenge or not revenge, but you know what I mean? Like striking down or karma. Oh, there you go. Okay. You know what I mean? Where if you do enough bad things against your moral code, then you’ll get yours. Yeah. Yeah. Pull some weird stuff. Yeah.

So, but now, okay. So, we’ve kind of established that Plato was a storyteller. Yes. Yeah. So he was kind of history. Yeah. Not, yeah. Exactly. But Plato went to unusual lengths to describe Atlantis. He described its geography. Oh wow. Its political structure, its engineering feats and its downfall. So like unlike other stories that he has, he specifically talks about their land, how it was formed. He was doing character development. Yeah. Like he’s like talking right now, writing it.

So, so people are confused because it has a historical tone because he’s giving a lot of specific data. Exactly. But the weird thing is like since he never did that before, why is he doing it now? Maybe he actually knows something. Yes. Exactly. So, this is what makes Atlantis kind of like when you giving your kids a story at night time and then you start lying and they’re like, “Well, what about, you know,” they ask some like question. I’m like, oh stuff I got to make something else up now. Listen, it keeps going and going and going. Yeah, but why is the dragon there? I’m like, listen, you don’t want to know. Like, go to sleep. You wouldn’t understand.

Additionally, what’s strange about it is that the story that he was writing stopped mid-sentence and we don’t have any other information about it. Do we, was it lost? Was like the papyrus lost that he wrote it on or, no, just imagine you’re writing a story and then mid-sentence the story’s over. He’s like and then right when the asteroid was right above their heads. So what happened? So we’ll go over it later and I actually have his writings and I’ll read you the paragraph and then it ends, the one where it ends. Okay, cool. We’ll go over that. So he lost funding. He lost funding. Exactly. Like, see what I mean? Like, it’s kind of strange. Yeah.

But again, so that’s what we’re trying to figure out tonight in this episode is, was it history? Mhm. Or was it that, or was it maybe a little mixy mix? Yeah. And then where is it and what happened to it? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I’m ready. Okay. Here we go.

So after Plato sets the stage, he dives into the dazzling details of the lost kingdom itself. Atlantis, he says, wasn’t just powerful, it was majestic. A near utopian society that blended nature, engineering, and divine order. Damn. At the heart of the island stood a capital city arranged in concentric rings of land and sea. So just imagine, I’m going to show you guys some photos, too. Land, water. Yeah. And everybody agrees because it’s how he described it. Oh, so that’s like the blueprint. So, think of it like a giant bullseye. Circles of land and water perfectly alternating with bridges and tunnels connecting each parts of those kinds, you know, that island. I think it’s over there by Dubai and it’s shaped like a palm. Yeah, the palm tree which is like sinking. It is. Oh yeah, dude. They like engineered it wrong and it’s like actually sinking. Idiots.

So at the very center of this island crowned was a temple of Poseidon and it was said to gleam with gold and silver and topped with a roof of ivory. Inside stood a colossal gold statue of Poseidon himself riding a chariot pulled by winged horses. Can you just, Jesus? But it’s also interesting that they also believed in the Greek gods. Correct. Interesting. Okay. Yep. How long these gods have been around for, boy. And to Sean’s point even the horses that he was riding were winged. Yeah, the Pegasus. Pegasus. Exactly.

Uh, additionally, the Atlanteans had incredible technology for the time. Per plateau. Yeah. Plat. Fresh water was channeled into the city through aqueducts, and there were docks and shipyards large enough to house fleets that could rival modern naval bases. Yeah, doubt it. In between them, they had hot springs, then cold springs. What the, what? How are they channeling the hot springs and the cold springs? They had massive race courses where they raced, royal gardens, fortified walls made of red, white, and black stone. Okay, he’s, okay, this is very specific. This is, I know, right? That’s the weird part. I mean, I think this is his Harry Potter. Like he didn’t finish it. Indeed. Yeah. And he just didn’t finish. Yeah, I know, right?

One cool detail, the Atlantians mined a glowing red metal called aricilum. Ooh, second only to gold in value. Scholars and adventurers have long debated what it is. Some think it was copper alloyed with gold or zinc. Others believe it was just mythical and it was some metal. But it’s still metal. Gold’s still more important though, boys. Of course, we’ve never come up with mythical metals. Marvel. I know. Adam, they renamed Vibranium because of the whole copyright thing with Sony. But still, they’re coming up with, you know what I mean? Our own storytellers of today also come up with a story.

It’s so weird how like there’s, well, they’re just copying. Everything is copy nowadays, by the way. Or so annoying. It’s either copied or it’s repetitive. Yeah, that’s another good point. Or even he copied it. Maybe he found this. He was like, “Oh, this is hot.” You know what I mean? Yeah. It’s not that, I mean it’s a long time ago. Yeah. It was like uh 2500 years ago. 3600. Yeah. 3600. That’s a long time ago. 3600. You said it was 3600 BC. You said it was 360 BCE. Sorry. You’re right. Yeah. So it’s like 2400 years. Don’t worry, we’ll edit that out. Yeah. He’s never made a mistake ever. Of course. That’s not one time has he ever misspoke.

Uh, he said the land itself was said to be so fertile that farmers could harvest twice a year, not just once a year, double fertility. Thanks to mild winters, gentle rains, and irrigation systems that rivaled those of ancient Egypt in an island in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, that’s my thing. I’m like, their diets rich in fruits, grains, fish, and meats thanks to the variety of natural resources. In fact, Plato even noted that they had elephants. What the, why? Suggesting an exotic wildlife ecosystem that’s unusual for what we typically imagine as a Mediterranean. But later on in our theories, mhm, some would say it’s closer to Africa. Okay. Cuz it was an elephant. Yeah. Elephante. Elephant. Elephant. Yeah.

Politically, Atlantis was ruled by 10 kings. Each descended from Poseidon’s 10 sons. Oh. Oh wow. These kings governed separate regions, but swore loyalty to Atlas, the oldest brother. They convened regularly in the temple of Poseidon where they discussed laws, sacrificed bulls, and a ritual that ended with the kings dipping their hands in blood and using golden tablets to record their decrees. So they were like the board, the board of directors, they were the board. It’s a little bit Game of Thronesy, but like a little bit like a council as opposed to one ruler of Game of Thrones.

And I never really understood like the bull sacrifice. So Poseidon is the king of the ocean, right? He’s the god of like the ocean. There’s no like why is he like, “Yeah, why don’t you sacrifice like a whale or something?” Yeah. He’s like, “No, get the land creatures. Don’t touch my sea creatures. Those bulls.” Well, they’re like way easier. Yeah, good point. I don’t do a whole whale this time. They actually like bleed out. Yeah.

So he says Atlantis wasn’t just a city, it was a superpower. According to Plato, the Atlantean Empire stretched beyond the island home to include parts of Europe and North Africa. It dominated the seas with a navy and seemed unstoppable until everything changed. For a long time, the Atlanteans lived virtuously. They honored the gods. They respected nature. And they upheld justice. But generations on something began to rot beneath the golden rubble. Yeah. Called greed.

Plato writes that they became corrupted by their own success. The divine essence, it always trades back to money. Yeah. They’re like, “Damn, it truly does.” The divine essence that Poseidon had instilled in his bloodline was diluted over time. So you remember there were 10 sons of Poseidon. So just imagine the sons of the sons of the sons of the sons. Yeah. And they’re like, I’m the sheep. And you’re like, well, I’m really like a third cousin. I swear I’m assuming. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It’s like a bastard son. So they, he says that it was diluted from the bloodline over time and the people of Atlantis grew greedy, arrogant, and obsessed with material wealth.

And you can imagine the scene, the once noble kings now fat, sick of luxury and excess, eating their grapes and just kind of like being fan by titties everywhere going, exactly, absolutely, oh god, excellent movie reference, that was amazing. So their temples fell into disrepair. Their conquest of the world was no longer about divine mission, but it was about domination. They built vast armies, launched a campaign across the Mediterranean. Their sights eventually fell on Athens, but not the historical Athens of the Parthonon. No, Plato described a prehistoric Athens, a righteous and modest society filled with brave warriors and leaders.

Here’s the twist. Despite being smaller and less equipped, this ancient Athens defeated the Atlanteans. They stood firm against tyranny, valuing freedom over wealth. Sounds like 300. I know, right? That’s exactly what I was thinking. I know. They’re like the Atlantis is the Persians. Yeah. So Plato describes it as a moral showdown between virtue versus vice. And I love how it’s, of course Athens is the Athenian. You know, he’s like, “Oh, of course we are the most the fellow Athenians, the most noble and moral humans who’ve ever lived.” Of course. Of course. Dude, that’s actually a phenomenal point. Yeah. Like, of course the Athenian, we were the righteous ones. We were the good guys. They were the bad guys. It was also, he’s like there was five Athenian cobblers and they defeated the entire Atlantean navy. Yeah.

So after their defeat by the Athenians, the gods, Zeus included, looked down on Atlantis and decided time was up and zapped them. In what Plato calls a single day and night of misfortune, Atlantis was struck by a series of violent natural disasters. Earthquakes shook the ground. Floods flooded the fields, the city, the temples, the people, all swallowed by the sea. And Atlantis vanished with no trace. Wow. You’re done. You’re done, son. And really, that’s kind of the whole myth. You should have kept at the bulls, bro. You should have kept sacrificing them bulls. Yeah. You know, that’s actually the myth.

And one theory is that Plato may have been inspired by the memory of a real catastrophe, which is like an eruption of a volcano. Mhm. Around 1600 B.CE. uh devastated the island of Santorini and triggered massive tsunamis from the volcano. So the volcano happened and then it pushed it out. I mean also the thing that we need to take into account here too is this is, you know, a long long long time ago supposedly he said it was 10,000 years prior. So let’s say hypothetically in, you know, 10,500 BCE, you know people also forget to realize that we live like the earth, what we’re standing on is tectonic plates. They’re in constantly in motion. Yeah. And you know there’s a core, catastrophe everywhere, like very in motion.

It’s like the concept of pangia and like, you know, there was like one supercontinent and it broke up into the continents that we have now, right? And so if that was like in motion and continents were still moving, it’s very easy to like, they collide. That’s how the mountains exist. Literally rocking in a rock. Yeah. Very true. So it could have been like they’re like, “Yeah, we’re killing the game.” Like, that happened way before 10,000 500 BC. Oh, speculative. I mean, we don’t really like, “Oh, I was there, bro. I know.” No, but it was supposedly like, I don’t know. I want to say like millions of years before. Yeah, supposedly. Yeah, supposedly.

Well, I mean, I think you could probably, no, I don’t know. Whatever. Yeah, I understand what you’re saying. But it’s also like really, I don’t know. You’re right. I don’t know. It could have been 11,000 years. It should have happened like tonight. Like we’re in Atlanta right now. But again, going back to like how we were talking about, he’s incredibly specific. He gave me the city’s layout. We talked about that. He detailed the laws. Like he laid out the laws that they had. How would he know the laws though? He knew the military size. Um, so again, like people go, “Well, there’s no way that this is made up.” Well, the walking tour. Although you could make it up.

I mean, circuit 2025. I just, I watched eight seasons of Game of Thrones. Yeah. I mean, just saying like if you can make it up like it’s possible, like seven hours of Lord of the Rings and you’re like there’s a whole universe that exists. That’s so true honestly. Hey, so I, uh, this not this month, but a couple months ago, I finished uh Fellowship of the Ring, dude. For the first time in my life. So good. And it is so descriptive, dude. The literal like really unbelievable, dude. The character development in Lord of the Rings is second to none. It’s absolutely, it’s almost frustrating, dude. Homie created multiple languages. He literally like, you can do anything. Yeah, trust me, you can do anything. Tolkien did it. Good point.

So Plato was clearly preparing to tell more and he had planned to continue the narrative in Critius with even more details about the ancient world and its downfall. But as you turn the page, you find he never finished. And we talked about that, right? It’s going to end it. So the dialogue ends midthought with no conclusion. And so this is kind of where this mystery and/or conspiracy or whatever you want to call it goes.

And so these are the final words we have from Plato on Atlantis. And I quote, “And when the gods saw that this fair race was growing too proud and wicked and was not worthy of the happiness which they enjoyed, they revolved to chastise them, and that they might bring them to be a better mind. They gathered all the gods into their most holy habitation, which being placed in the center of the world, beholdeth all things that partake of generation. And when they had assembled together, Zeus, the God of gods, who reigned with law, and beholdeth all things, and was aware, the attention of the gods, said unto them,” dot dot dot. That’s maybe the most epic foreshadowing ever.

Maybe he did it on purpose. The gods said unto them, “No more, you decide what happened.” Yeah. He literally says, “And the gods,” like, “Dude, I’m telling you, there’s no divine judgment.” Most epic foreshadowing ever. No, it ends. It just simply ends. I like that. There’s no known followup, no continuation. Um, it’s as if the scroll was torn or the storyteller walked off the stage before giving you the climax. He’s like, I got to poop.

Now, keep in mind, this is so long ago that we don’t know. We have no idea. We don’t know what happened. Like we don’t even know if he died before he finished writing it, right? This is a long time ago. 360 BCE. That’s 2500 years ago. God. See, the thing that pisses me off if he did finish and we, it just got lost. Correct. Well, that’s what my point I was about to make is that like it’s so frustrating that we’ve lost so much potential data. I know. For example, when the Library of Alexandria got, got to do an episode on that, like can you imagine the infinite wealth of information that was in the library of Alexander? Thousands of years of humanities. Oh, just everything. They had all of it. They had all the information. Yeah.

But this unfinished sentence has become part of Atlantis myth. It adds to the eerie sense of interrupted knowledge. Did he die? Right? Did he intentionally stop and go, you know, I don’t know the rest of this, so I’m not going to write it. He’s like, I’m not. You know what I mean? Like you’re like, oh, it’s dinner. I got to go. And then he just died. We don’t know. And so the story ends not with ruins or relics, but with a sentence and with silence. And so that is the end of our platter, like from there. Yeah. Right. From the end. And that’s the whole story of Atlantis actually. Like that’s where we get it from. So as we go forward now, we’re going to kind of talk about what has happened since. That’s the whole story, right? Okay.

For over 1500 years, most people viewed the Atlanta story as fiction, a political fable meant to illustrate Plato’s vision of the ideal society. And what happens when you break the rules of your society? Mhm. I mean, it is a good point like just to the whole, it’s not bad, right? If you look at every, it has happened with every single major superpower, it’s always happened. It’s always the same thing that happens. It happened with the Romans. It happened with the Egyptians. It happened with the Spanish. It happened with the Germans. It happened with, it just keeps, it always happens with the British. Like it happens like everyone always overreaches. You overreach and you get too greedy and you think you can just rule everything and you think that you have some sort of divine providence to just take over and control.

And even not at that level, like more of a personal level, like you get some cash all of a sudden. You’re like, “Oh, I’m going to ball. I’m going to go to casino. I’m going to go buy this. I’m going to go buy that.” You know, instead of actually doing something with that, broke. But also, you get into the land of not only greed and overreach, but of losing your moral fiber. Yeah. I mean, that’s really what happened with Rome. Like Rome got very like, Rome got very very like crazy. Yeah.

So you get so rich that you don’t even have to work anymore, right? And then nobody is productive in any way. Well, it’s not even that you’re bored. So what happens when you’re left to inventing games? No. But the thing is it’s not even that. It’s that you’re doing things that can get you in trouble, but you have impunity. Yeah. You can’t get in trouble. Totally true. You do. Why are you doing it? And then people are like, “You can’t do that.” And you kill those people. Off, I know. Those people’s heads are on the wall and you’re like, “What are you going to do now?” Yeah. No, you like lose the sense of, you lose family sense, you know? You’re like, “Dude, I’m a, I don’t need the,” and you, you know what I mean? Like you just lose everything.

Well, back to your karmic point. I do believe that not necessarily like, oh, like karma is a thing, but like I think there is a sense of that, is that I think we all inherently have like a built-in moral compass and moral code of the things that we know that are inherently right and inherently wrong, and I think we all know and agree to that even if you don’t act upon it you still know. So if you’re knowingly going against something that you feel is wrong, like you’re eventually going to bring about your own downfall because you don’t, no one really wants to be a bad guy. Like even criminals, criminals really don’t want to be criminals, but they do it out of a sense of necessity that they have to, but they don’t want to. Yeah. Like no one really, no one wants to be a piece of, like no one’s like striving to be some, yeah. Exactly. No, very true. Very true.

Um, so this is 1500 years have gone by as it just being a story and just being like a fable or whatever. But during the age of exploration when European ships were sailing west across unknown seas, and this is like, yeah, towards before they mapped it all. Yeah. Where like let’s go explore to America etc. Riders speculated at Atlantis might have been located in the new world. Atlantis. Some claimed the native peoples of the Americas were descendants of Atlanteans. Uh, thumb down. Yeah. What the.

This idea grew even stronger into the 19th century thanks to one man, and this is a cool name. Ignatius Donnelly. Damn, what a baller. In 1882, American congressman and writer Ignatius Donnelly published Atlantis, the anti-dolivian world. He argued that Atlantis was not only real but the mother civilization of all of humanity. Oh, so they think that was like started it all. Yeah. That was like the first big one. The first, yeah.

Because that was my other question to you is like if you’re, okay technically hypothetically let’s say Atlanta is real and there big big island city they did say was an island, like within 50 years, 100 years you’re going to have a very bad overpopulation problem. Mhm. What are you going to do with the people? It’s pretty small. Or at least the description is pretty small. Yeah. Like you need, you’re going to need to like expand just to like house the humans. Yeah. And only the rich people live in the concentric circles. Yeah. Like, that’s like prime Malibu spot. Listen, bro. Like I own a tech company. So yeah.

Uh, so he said Atlantis was the origin of Egyptian and Mesoamerican cultures. Okay. Ancient myths and symbols in different cultures could be traced back to it. You know, when you see a symbol and you’re like, that’s kind of Atlantean. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, but how do we, we don’t even know what Atlantean symbols are? Yeah, I know. Um, again, and then he correlated that the destruction was the biblical great flood. That’s similar to Noah’s arc. Yeah, that sort of thing, you know. Or it’s even like, what was the one um, Sodom Gomorrah? Yeah, Sodom and Gomorrah.

It was an old, it’s a biblical story where pretty much God’s wrath, they were doing, you know, bunch of stuff that God wasn’t cool with, sexually. That’s the derivation of sodomy. Actually, yeah. So, like there was a lot of, that’s true. That’s true. Yeah, man-on-man stuff and then God supposedly smoked the city um because they went down the path. Yeah, they went down a path that wasn’t like align. I think that one is a little bit more, that’s a little more like, you know, just biblical, like that’s a little more like Baptist church right there, but in a similar concept. Yeah.

Donny’s book was a sensation though modern scholars reject most of his ideas. He popularized Atlantis as a real advanced civilization and this is in uh late 1800s. Okay. So that’s when it became what we know it as today. It’s Atlantis. Okay. You know that sort of thing. So here we go. And then we talk about where could it be? Yeah. Yeah. Like physically despite being lost for over 9,000 years. If Plato’s timeline is to be believed, people have never stopped searching for Atlantis. And while there’s no universally accepted location, dozens of serious and semi notserious candidates have emerged over the centuries. Some are grounded in archaeology, some are based on myth, some are based on simply what Plato said. Yeah.

So, here are some of the speculative locations. Yes. But these are the top ones. Okay. The first one, and this is basically the number one. Like this is every documentary you’re going to watch, this is it. Yeah. And it’s Santorini. Uh and we talked about it a little bit earlier. And it’s where the volcano happens. Volcano. Yeah. And this is the Manoan hypothesis. Yeah. And these are people. Okay. Yeah. This is one of the most widely accepted theories. In the Aegean Sea lies the island of Santorini, formerly known as Thera. Around 1600 B.CE. It suffered one of the most catastrophic volcanic eruptions in human history. Oh. The explosion that’s like just, well documented. Like you know, yeah, it happened. Yeah.

The explosion devastated the advanced Manoan civilization which flourished on nearby Crete. Uh, they had elaborate architecture, indoor plumbing and written scriptures. You mean indoor plumbing? Yeah, for real. Back in the 1600 BC, dude. What? Talking about a flex. You don’t have to outside, sweetheart. We got the plumbing in. It’s proven, right? Because they have the digs and they see that the plumbing. Yeah. But it wasn’t quite piping. It was just like holes. Yes. No. And then the holes went into tunnels and the tunnels went all and they all connect in there. Wow.

And so you would go, and I mean to be crude, you would go and you would, and then it wouldn’t go into your downstairs roommate. It would go down the tunnel into their living room. Yeah. It would go down the tunnel and then it would go down to basically like the ravine or whatever and then it would go out the dumping grounds. Exactly. And if you remember, I don’t know if you remember the Jack the Ripper episodes we went over at Jack the Ripper time. They were just out window dude and they were throwing their stuff out windows, bro. They had even figured it out in Jack the Ripper time. That’s why it’s so impressive. Like that’s why the black plague happened because of that, because of that stuff.

Uh recently we went to Boston. Mhm. There was a little thing that I remembered from one of the tours where uh Boston and Philadelphia you could smell before you got there. Oh god. Oh, that’s the worst. Before it, you know what I mean? That’s why people like, “Oh, I want to go back in time.” Like, I never want to go back in time. I mean, granted, this is, you know, in the 1700s, but still. Disgusting. So, Billy, you can still, we’ve all been, all three of us went to, has been together. I know. Yeah. Uh, so it’s got to be those Eagles fans. Oh, dude. Yeah, they’re gonna, oh my god. Oh, yeah. They’re going to on me. Burn my house down. Jesus Christ.

Uh, so their palaces collapsed. The tsunamis followed the volcano and then they were overridden. That does happen. I mean, also if you look, a lot of tsunamis happened from under underwater underground volcanoes. Yeah. And definitely we’ve learned as humanity, don’t build a civilization on an island. It’s not near other volcanoes. So basically the island had a civilization on it and it’s a big island and then just imagine there’s a volcano nearby on another, on the land and that’s what happened. The volcano erupted, tsunami came. Yes. And anywhere where there’s like any sort of seismic activity, you don’t want an island.

But the theory behind this is that Plato just had didn’t have great history and he distorted the history of the Menoans. Oh, so in essence it was the history of the Manowans. It wasn’t actually a separate civilization. That’s right. Because they’re clearly advanced. They had, yeah, legit solutions. 17, I mean, that’s amazing. There’s a circular crater that was left by the volcano and it kind of resembles, circular crater. You said creator. Sorry. Sorry. Circular crater left by the volcano. That’s how he pronounces everything. We just went over this with his wife the other day. That’s right. Sorl. Yeah. Sorl.

What do you eat in the morning, Eric? What is it called? Cereal. Cereal. No. What do you eat in the morning? Cereal. Cereal. Cereal. Do you say word? You say word, too. Water like a water. Water. I know. Okay. I think I’m doing like water. You know, my dad says wash. Worsh. Like, hey, give me your clothes. I’m going to wash them. Oh. Oh, I thought like worshshire. Yeah, I was like, there’s that. You see the little R in there? I’m going to wash them.

So, I know we’re in a little tangent here, but I always thought it was super fascinating like all the idiosyncrasies of language that happened. I remember um, so I grew up in Ohio and I remember me and my mom went to like, we were going through some fast food place and um, like the differentiation of the word please. So, you know, please can mean like come again, like please, right? Or it could also mean like yes, I want it. Yeah. Yeah. So, we’re in the drive-thru and uh she thinks she, you guys want ketchup? And my mom’s like, “Please.” And she’s like, “Oh, do you guys want ketchup?” She’s like, “Please.” Like, “Give me the ketchup.” And she’s like, no, I want the ketchup. Give me the ketchup. She’s like, “Yes.” I know. She’s, it’s like a yes. Like, yes, please. When you say please.

Same thing with like, you know, uh in Ohio, a lot of people call it pop as opposed to soda. They call it pop. Yeah. True. It was really very interesting. Midwesty. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, I don’t know how I got, when I moved to Florida, uh I’m from California, from San Francisco and I came here and I went to like a diner or whatever. One of the first times and the waitress said sweetie like the whole time. And it doesn’t sound weird to you guys probably. No. But I thought she was hitting on me. Oh, she like she wants it. She wants like, this is on. I got the, I was like this is on. It’s a little old for me, but I’m going to do it anyway.

The waffle house. Yeah, but the wine. She’s like tired. But then I realized you’re like not interested in this. But then no, but then a couple years later, I was like also at a diner and I said it to her. I’ve heard Eric say this to like a hundred people. Yeah. Very offputting, dude. Like all the time. It’s very offputting. I’ve been told like by my wife like, “Don’t do that. Creepy. Creepy. Condescending.” Like, you know? I’m like, “Hey, Eric doesn’t do it in that way. Eric calls his son sweetie.” Yeah. Like, so he’s not doing it like in a condescending or like weird way. It just stuck with me. Yeah. I don’t know. This is what he does. It’s the accent. Welcome to America, baby. Welcome to Hotlanta. The top.

I wonder what like if you were German and you came over to the US and you got called sweetie, is that a, you would, the, what is, what was that? German. So, are you saying to me? You try to on me. So Santorini um, you know it fits perfectly because the crater left behind from the volcano resembles the description of a ringed city. Oh, so maybe there was like a dude who was like, “Oh, I saw this ring.” He’s like, “Yeah, imagine if it was in the ocean.” Yeah. And they had plumbing, bro.

But in short, Santorini is a rich seafaring, technologically advanced culture early on, wiped out by a major cataclysm. I also have a hard time believing that Atlantis had like this lush farmland. And if you’re on an island, yeah, and the island also has concentric circles, so it’s not just like pure land. But remember, he said that it was so fertile that they farmed twice per year. Like let’s be real. But, oh, but wait, wait, on that same note, you know that uh isn’t, historically I think like volcanic soil is supposedly pretty like extremely fertile. I believe, I could be wrong. But that was the end of the volcano there. No, I’m saying on the Santorini theory, it could have been very fertile ground. I got you. Yeah, I could, like I said, I could be making this up. Yeah. High school diploma here, right?

Uh the next one is the Richat structure and it’s called the eye of the Sahara. Hidden in the vast deserts of the Mauritania West Africa lies a stunning natural formation. The Richat structure, also called the Eye of Sahara. It’s a massive 28 mile wide series of concentric rings of stone visible only from space. Recent years, this site has captivated Atlantis theorists. It matches Plato’s description of concentric rings of land and water. Dude, it’s super cool. Right now, it’s pretty cool. We’re going to put some pictures up. It lies beyond the pillars of Hercules. And if you interpret them more closely as symbolic boundaries, it’s also like, you know Africa wasn’t always like this desolate, yeah, rough hard terrain.

It was like very lush. Just like we talked about in the Egypt episode, like Egypt wasn’t always like some desert hole. It was great. It was lush. It was beautiful. They had palm trees and grass. It was like fertile as, fertile. That’s the key. Going back. Ancient artifacts have been found in the region suggesting prehistoric human habitation. There are even theories of nearby saltwater deposits and canals that may have linked the area to the ocean. Of course, skeptics argue it’s a natural geological formation and not something that’s been proven as made by man. Well, yeah. It’s also like, you know, over 10,000 years, I don’t think you can prove like, I know. What are you going to prove? Nothing to prove. Yeah.

Sean and I were talking about the concept of sometimes Mother Earth will make things that look man-made. And so we were talking about the Giants Causeway in Ireland and we’ve both been there and there are these steps and we’ll do an episode on it. We’ll do a mini maybe. Yeah. But there are these big steps and they call them the Giants Causeway because the myth behind it is that they were built for giants. Exactly. And they were a staircase for giants. Yes. But they’re perfect, dude. It’s smooth. When you go it’s, first of all it’s absolutely breathtaking. This is beautiful. It’s such a beautiful landscape and it’s unbelievable.

But these rock formations, they’re all in these hexagon shapes. Yeah. And they’re perfectly smooth. And some of them they get so tall, but it’s almost like it’s a plant. It’s like it grew upwards in a hex. And there’s like all these hexagons that are together and they’re like at different, how big are they? Like the size of a house or you talking about like the size of a car or, I mean no, they’re like big. The hexagons themselves are like this big. They’re probably the size of like, like that size like a basketball. Okay. But they’re like everywhere and like how did that happen? Yeah. The other ones are big though. Yeah. The ones that are stacked up. Some of them like go up. Yeah. And they go up and you climb up and for photo ops you climb up all that. But when you’re there you’re like, yeah this is manmade.

Well, it doesn’t seem real. It’s like, I think we even had like a person was trying to explain it. I’m like, “Yeah, cool. Whatever. Whatever you say, bro. Like, this is not real.” But that’s kind of like, and the reason we bring that up is because the official resolution of the Giants Causeway is that it was nature made. Yeah. Like this is the planet. It’s made by the planet, right? Yeah. So, that’s the argument on the other side of this one. Yeah. There’s always going to be that argument. Yeah. Exactly.

Uh, the next one is the Azores. And um, I don’t know if you listen to our mini for Patreons only, but this is nearby where the ghost ship. Oh, yeah. Uh, landed. Uh, which, anyways, that’s by, I was putting my daughter to sleep. So, that was by Portugal, right? That’s right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not, yeah. No, but it’s in the middle of the ocean. That’s right. Sure. Yeah. So, it’s in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, roughly 900 miles west of Portugal. Uh, it’s a group of volcanic islands perched on the mid-Atlantic ridge. Many believe that these could be the last visible peaks of a once sunken continent. Okay.

And the idea gained traction in the 1800 and 1900s, especially after submarine cables revealed unexpected shallow ridges and plateaus under the sea, some of which were interpreted as remnants of a sunken island. Interesting. Even more tantalizing, in 2013, marine researchers reported finding anomalous geometric structures on the seafloor near the Azores, including what looked like a submerged pyramid. Maybe what if they had like a big ass pyramid island? Yeah. Tune in to part eight of the pyramids. Literally like, understand they had canoes and they, trust me they were well paid, well fed. They bakeries though, mainstream scientists called it a sonar glitch. Okay. Some believe it to be evidence of ancient architecture buried beneath the Atlantic. Okay. Yeah.

The next theory, and this is more of the out there theories, which is way more fun. Uh, it’s Antarctica under the ice. Oh, it poses that Atlantis is buried beneath the Antarctica’s ice sheet. How could it be possible? Some point to the Piri Ray map, a 1513 world map drawn by an Ottoman admiral. It shows an oddly accurate depiction of an ice-free Antarctica centuries before it was even officially discovered. What was that called again? The Piri rays map. P I R I space R E I S map. Okay. But supporters claim this suggests that an ancient seafaring civilization once mapped the continent before it even froze.

But see the thing is like, okay sure but Antarctica, it, unless the only thing that makes that make sense is like the pole flipping theory, like that the poles have flipped because if it’s on a pole, when would, when could it have ever been not cold? Yeah. I don’t know. I know. I don’t know. That one’s a little farfetched. Yeah. But the idea is they go, “Oh, a map from 1513. We didn’t even discover Antarctica yet.” Somehow, of course, you know. Yeah. Anyways, um some say also that the Nazi expeditions in the 30s and 40s, there allegedly searched Antarctica for ancient relics. And that only fueled more conspiracy theories as some say they were looking for Atlantis. I think we touched on that also a little bit. And not only looking for Atlantis, but looking for technology that maybe Atlanteans had. Fountain of Youth. Yeah, they were always looking for something. Jason Mimoa. I know he’s out there. Get off my, uh, in Spain.

Another theory is that just north, uh, in southern Spain lies the Denoan National Park, a vast marshland and former lagoon. In 2011, a team of scientists claimed they found possible underwater ruins beneath the wetlands, including rectangular structures in a possible temple-like complex. Some believe this area could be the original site of Atlantis, especially since Plato mentioned that Atlantis controlled land, and I quote, as far as Egypt and Italy. Satellite images and ground penetrating radar scans have shown promising anomalies, but excavation has been limited due to environmental sensitivity of the area and the fact that it’s under the ocean. Yeah, you know, it’s a little difficult.

I, most people don’t, like I say this again, is that the ocean is 98% of the Earth’s biosphere. Meaning 98% of the livable space on this planet is the water. Yeah. It is mathematically impossible for us to actually be able to catalog and understand what is going on under there. Correct. There are species that we have not found. There’s life forms that live without light. Like there’s life forms that live under like intense amount of pressure. Like, you know, pressure that could crush a submarine like that is made out of hardened steel, like crush it into a little like a napkin. Mhm. And there’s literally little creatures that can live in the pressure that could vaporize your body.

What’s crazy, too, is God knows what’s under the ocean. I feel like there’s so much. There’s crazy. You’ll never, it would take us, if the entire planet was dedicated to trying to find, we all just stopped everything, it would take us a thousand years and we still wouldn’t find it all. Yeah.

Another theory is the Caribbean. Oh, like Bermuda triangle, off the coast of the Bimini Islands in the Bahamas, divers in the 60s discovered a strange formation known as the Bimini Road. Yes, the road. That’s pretty cool though. It’s a half a mile stretch of large rectangular stones arranged in a pattern that looks man-made. I think we, in the Bermuda Triangle episode we want. And I did watch documentary on the Bimini road and it’s pretty interesting. It’s pretty cool. It’s super cool. I don’t know if it’s related to the Atlantis theory, but it’s pretty interesting. There’s something there. Yes. Yeah. Like something was there. There was a road. There was something there. It almost seems like a port. Yeah, that makes sense. That they had, and then the sea levels.

It’s also like look, let’s be realistic, guys. Like if we’re expecting there to be like we’ll find the city that’s like, you know, perfectly intact. Perfectly intact. Like you realize that the ocean is a corrosive substance. True. Like salt water will just erode anything over time. It’s just what it does. Yeah. This is acid. It’s literally you’re literally like this city, oh, 10,000 years in a giant pool of acid. What’s going to happen? I don’t know. Like stay intact.

By the way, does gold, okay, hear me out. Okay, so say Jorge and I are pirates. Yes. And we steal a bunch of gold and we have a whole cargo of gold. Yeah. And then we sink. And then we sink. Yeah. And say that was like the 1500s, 1600s. Mhm. Would the gold corrode or do anything after four or 500 years underwater? No, I don’t think so. I don’t think gold, I don’t think gold specifically corrodes. No. Interesting. That makes it, but almost every other, everything else would like erode around it. Yeah. Or like because most almost all metals will oxidize which cause rust and then deterioration. Yep. Hence if you wanted an example the Titanic if you go and you see almost all of that is rusted out.

Well, there’s a reason that gold is so valuable. It’s not just for like, you know, cuz oo is shiny pretty. Yeah. It’s gold. Gold is, we’re scarce. Gold is, it is, well obviously the scarcity is one factor but not just that, gold is one of the most useful and versatile substances that we have cuz we can manipulate it too. Well gold is extremely malleable. You can pound out gold extremely thin. It still maintains its integrity. Gold is uh an amazing insulator as well, sorry, amazing conductor. Mhm. And it’s like gold has all these different facets that makes it super useful. It’s extremely useful. Yeah. I mean it’s just, that’s why the uses are like endless. You can use it for anything.

I was just wondering if, let’s just say Atlantis was like eroded or like it’s no longer there. But would the treasures be, I mean theoretically, yeah, but the treasures would be at the bottom of the ocean. I know. It’s like, you know, two miles. Yeah. They should be there. All right. I like it. I like it. We’re about to start an expedition, boys. I know. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people have done that, so. So, the Bimini Road, uh, we’ll put some photos of that as well, but it’s basically um like natural limestone formation in these rocks, and it looks like somebody built a freaking road, honestly, straight. It’s a straight road. And it’s also like the sides are even. It’s not like, oh, there’s a rock out here. They’re not like random rocks that just fell close to each other. You could tell they’re lined up. It’s like Legos. Yeah, that’s right.

But to me, it’s too far away. I don’t think that’s Atlantis. I think that was, yeah. And it’s too short. It’s cuz what was it? A mile. Half mile. Half miles. Half mile. Half a mile. No. No. You’re going to have the world’s largest navy. Half a mile. Yeah, it looks like, yeah. Anyways, okay, good.

Uh, then the last part of this, which is the wild card fringe theories. Yeah. Even though we already went over the Nazis in Antarctica, that might fall into that space. Nazis in America. Uh, some argue that it’s in Indonesia, uh, now largely underwater. It was home to a massive civilization lost when sea levels rose over the last ice age. Okay, that I mean possibly, I mean ice, like what the last ice age was what, 15,000 years ago something like that. Yeah, right. So that, you know, it kind of checks out, could be in that range and there definitely was a lot of flooding. Yeah.

Uh, Bolivia is the other idea. Researcher Jim Allen proposed that the Altiplano Plateau near Lake Poo fits Plato’s description, suggesting Atlantis wasn’t in the ocean but high up in the Andes. Oh, interesting. Wait, if it’s that, that was his description or would you say? Well, no. He’s saying that it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s underwater. Ah, okay. But the description could be a civilization high up in the mountains. Okay. If you interpret it a certain way. Yeah. Surrounded by the concentric circles of air. Yes. And land. Then that would also kind of, if you want to go with that theory, that can explain the fertile land and being able to farm it. But up in the mountains, bro, that ain’t, well at the, isn’t there like a line when you get to the mountains where it’s the perfect, yeah, oh okay, where it turns into snow right below it is, anyways I don’t, maybe maybe it’s out there.

And then lastly an alien base. Yeah. Yes. Interesting. And the early, uh it’s the first civilization that aliens came and provided technology. That’s what’s under the pyramids is like Atlantis. Oh, well, I mean that’s the theory is that Atlantis is, that Plato got the time wrong. Yeah. And it’s earlier. Yeah. And it’s the first time that man went from being a, you know, like, you know, let’s go, to being uh mentally capable for a civilization.

I mean, if you think about it, just let’s be realistic. Imagine, like we were talking about, I like this mimo, like the mow. Yeah. That, I mean, the fact that that technology is like, you’re so much more advanced than the rest of the human race. Yeah. It’s like imagine that would want to live there. Okay, imagine if we were in, you know, 1500s colonial. Let’s even go back. Let’s imagine being in like year 500. Mhm. And you’re like, you know, oh man, we just invented like the plow. We’re destroying. We’re killing the game. Tons of food for everybody. Corn. You got corn. And then you see a train and you’re like, what the is that thing? Yeah. So like that’s what I mean in terms of having something like that. You’re light years ahead. Like plumbing is light years ahead of anything else in that time.

It’s true. So what else did they have? That’s right. I mean crude plumbing. I mean it wasn’t like what we have now. Like no, but no, doesn’t matter. It wasn’t like you jiggle the handle. Even the concept of it, like sure. No, it’s definitely advanced. I mean, I’m just saying it’s not like you think it’s like seeing a train, dude. In BCE, just some little two for your to go away. Probably eating the heads off at chickens and still cuz they’re like starving to death. But we also don’t know what else they had. That’s what he’s, imagine what other technology they could have had. Like we’re looking through ruins and we’re like, “Oh, whoa.” Like look at these pipes. So imagine what else they could have had. Very true. Very true.

So despite all the leads and the theories and the documentaries, the National Geographic shows, all the expeditions, no definitive evidence exists of Atlantis. No temples, no ruins, no nothing. No. It’s not like the pyramids, you know, where there’s a lot of theories, there’s a lot of conspiracies, but exactly, there’s no writings, right? There’s no like, we’re going based off of pretty much just one guy, Plato. Yeah. And maybe other writings later, but they were all based on him, right? So, he’s one source of information that we don’t know if he’s full of, but he’s also been a known storyteller to try to captivate his students, right? Yeah. And also like he’s been kind of like this historical, you know, stable person. Yeah. Like that we get a lot of philosophy from. So you kind of take it as fact. Exactly.

He’s the man. Yeah. Him and these guys were there, statues of homie like all over the place. These guys were the forefront of, I consider philosophy and golden rule and, you know, a lot of based on that. I don’t know the word, development, but a lot of, yeah, development. Right. Yeah, that’s right.

So, but Atlantis isn’t just a question of location or where, but it’s also the meaning. So, then it represents either, was it the story and just a story trying to tell a lesson to his students. Mhm. Or is this fact? I just don’t see the, it’s not very lessony to me. No. Like obviously there is a lesson in it. It’s like, you know, obviously you don’t want to overreach your bounds, like, you know, obviously stay true to your morals, right? But it’d be different if that’s a lesson. No, but my, he doesn’t like the lesson. That’s, yeah, that’s, no, no. It’d be more of a lesson if you’re talking about like Rome and you’re like, “Oh, cool.” And like you get this crazy insanity, chaos, the coliseum, then you get like, you know, incestual, like incest and the emperors are crazy and Nero burns down half of Rome and like they imploded. Yeah.

It’s not like, oh, they were wiped out by, but you just like that more because there’s a lot more actual evidence. No, I don’t like it more. I like it more because they imploded, like because of them, steering away from the path. They destroyed themselves, right? As opposed to a natural disaster destroying them. And it’s like, what’s the lesson? It’s like if you don’t do that, the natural disaster is gonna kill you. You know, like an earthquake’s going to kill you, right? So this way, with the Rome analogy, it’s like at least you can see that they imploded. They destroyed themselves, right? Because they were off the rails. Okay? Whereas Atlantis was off the rails supposedly, but then they got wiped out by something outside of them.

Plato was before gods. Yeah. The floods. But just so we all know, Plato was before Rome. No, but I’m just talking about in terms of like a, so you couldn’t, no, I’m not saying him a lesson of Rome. I’m saying correct in general. Like what’s the, like now, like in present time. We’re just talking about like looking back. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. Okay. Yeah. One foot, two foot, red foot, blue foot. Come on. Yeah.

So there you go. I mean, you know, we went over like aliens, Nazi expeditions. Um, there’s another one which is Stargates and but that also leads into the alien theories. I always go with Stargate. Um, and then even nowadays the stories are of this weird under, like I don’t even know how it formed into the underwater world. You notice in like, what is it, DC? I know. They’re like, yeah, like we’re like mermaids. Yeah. They can swim and they have gills and, they talk to fish. Yes. Like I don’t know how it evolved to that. Well, isn’t Poseidon the water? So, wasn’t there a statue of him? You know, maybe that’s where it comes from. Yeah. But again, that’s the, you know, it’s story. Yeah. Yeah.

So, there you go. I mean, that is Atlantis really in a nutshell. Uh and at the end. And so here are the questions that I wanted you guys to kind of, now that you’ve heard the story and you could look into it more. There’s so many Nat Geo documentaries that you could watch. Even uh James Cameron did one. He’s super into it. He’s super into Atlantis. Oh yeah. Yeah. He loves it. Um but here are the questions. Um, was Atlantis real? Are we gonna answer right now? Yeah. I think we should just, I’m gonna go with no. Yeah. Adamantly. I think it was, but it wasn’t what we think it was. Okay. I don’t think it was like this island in the ocean. Okay. But I do think it was real. Okay. So, you just think it was like a civilization? I think it was a civilization and I think we just named it, like we just dubbed it Atlantis. But I think it was a different civilization that happened to be more advanced and this got, I see. Yeah.

And so then Plato just used the story. Yeah. As a lesson story as he, he used it as a lesson and then it just got passed down from time to time to time and it became merman. Yeah. You know it became Jason Mimoa. Yeah. With super strength and his hair. Yeah. Like literally. What do you think? I, oh yeah. I agree with Sean. I agree with Sean. Oh my god. How the turns have, table’s over here. I agree with Sean. Yeah, he’s so specific. It’s very specific. Okay. He had to take the story from someone. I think it was like a real, or that, or he just, I think he took, he might have taken some known information like a known civilization and then just made it into, just spun it. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

So then the next question on that is where is it or where was it? Well I already went with no but I know that that was a problem. He’s like nowhere, is nowhere in your imagination. That’s where it is. I mean I think I like the Santorini idea. Yeah. But I mean realistically I have no idea, like the Santorini makes the most sense, right? It’s similar. It kind of reminds me of Pompeii. It does. You know what I mean? Where there’s like a whole civilization and then, but see, Pompeii had like bodies were preserved from the blast. I know. And we got nothing. But it wasn’t, Santorini’s on the water though, right? Yeah. Tsunamis don’t really like preserve, that’s what I’m saying. If everything got washed away cuz like the volcano is one thing, but if there’s like an earthquake and that then caused a tsunami, it’s just going to wash everything away.

So what you’re saying, hold on, Jorge. What you’re saying is you don’t believe that there’s some lost city underneath the ground plan or underneath the water. I believe basically, damn it, before you even get into the third one cuz I’m already out. I’m already, I’m just going to tell you. I just think that uh it was like made up by Plato. He had a, it seemed like he had, you know, a vast vocabulary and like just very philosophical person and he made it up and he could get detail. Why not? Like we just went over like snake oil salesman. Yeah. Oh, listen to me kiddos. You just make it up to sound, make it sound better. Exactly. And he used it to push or progress, you know, his philosophy, his CIA. I know, right? He was a, he was the Athens CIA. No, I mean one concept of that is that he just made his lecture better, right? Like he made his lecture more, the best way, and you guys, I think we confirmed it, like the best way to learn something is through a story.

Like it really sits with you. The only reason I passed English class was because we went over the Odyssey and I was like this is awesome. Yeah. So you kind of start to like really visualize it. Oh, that’s what we were talking about like the visualization or the videos and like that, right? But anyways, I just think he used it for that, like the visualization purpose so that it can really stick with people and then pass on his philosophy about morals and ethics and everything else he was teaching back then. Yeah.

I think and it’s also like just to your point, I mean I still think it was a real place but um I think if you really want to impact someone in terms of morals, I mean that’s what, if you look at most religion that’s what they do is like you do bad stuff it’s death and destruction. That’s right. Do you want to die, all of your family to be buried on the ocean? I mean of course not, being a dude, and that’s actually the concept of hell. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Yeah. And the creation, you’re so afraid. You’re so afraid of bad stuff that you do good stuff. Don’t sin. So otherwise you have a consequence. Yeah. Eternal damnation. Yeah.

Also the fact that it was like 10,000 years before that. And it’s like how does he know? How does he know? Like how do you get all this information? Like I got a guy, Alex, a, Alex Jones, Plato. Was he Alex Jones? Oh my god. He was making stuff up all the time. He’s like, “Oh, no, you don’t understand.” Yeah. We have breaking news for you. Breaking, breaking news. We’re all going to die. And the gods stole my homework. I swear. We’re all going to die. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay.

And then last question, but it’s not for Jorge. He doesn’t believe they existed at all. All right. So, between me, do you believe there’s any lost gold or technology? Because like if you and I set out right now to be like, “Sorry babes, we’re going to find Atlantis.” Yeah. Like, “I’ll see you later.” Quitting our jobs. Taking a second mortgage out, taking the second mortgage out of the house. Can you imagine that? This is so great. She’d be like, “What?” Sean and I are going to find Atlantis. We have a 99.99% of failure. Yeah. No. Would we find gold and/or a technology lost? I mean, I think your odds are better off just finding gold anywhere just like on a mountain. Yeah. Tampa International.

No, but like in terms of lost technology, even if there, I think maybe they were advanced, but like any technology that there was is gone. Yeah. It’s, you know, it’s been underwater or blown away by a volcano or whatever for 10,000 plus years. It’s gone. And it doesn’t even have to be any crazy technology. It could just be like, I don’t know, some farming technology. But even if you found it, figured out the best tacos. Yeah. No, but the thing is like we say this lost technology, but even if you found something, how would you know if it was what it was? What if it was like this lighter right here? If you just hit this little thing right here, that creates unlimited energy. No, but what I’m saying it doesn’t even have to be something like that. It could just be like the way that you farm, if it’s true that you could farm it twice. This is how we harvest crops twice a year. So it’s like, or seeds. I don’t know. You know, something Monsanto down there.

So it’s basically something that we could have used thousands of years ago, but we don’t need it now. No. No. We got AI now, right? Yeah. Like being like that would have been great if we were discovering America. Yeah. We were like needed to farm peasants. Yeah. All right. Well, there you guys go. Uh, I’m kind of with Sean on this. I do believe a civilization existed. Um, but I think it was exaggerated. Yeah, I think it was made into, turned into mythos, fantastical story and it’s turned into this whole mythos thing. But that would mean if we, that would mean it’s out there. Yeah, it does exist. So they’re going to find it one day.

I mean I think the, now you got all kinds of scanning technology. I mean, we found the Titanic, right? Yeah, but we knew where that crashed. That was like two miles down. But we knew where it was, though. True. We had the coordinates. I know. We knew exactly where it was. Like, it still took us 100 years to find it. Like, but maybe technology will get better and we’ll be able to find it. That’s what happened with the Titanic. That’s true. We couldn’t find it in 1922. No, they didn’t know. 10 years later. Yeah. Yeah.

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